RBSS organization 2012

[redsforlife]

How does Mr.Woo judge how you control an aeatw?

Well, on control alone it's fairly easy. If he performs the trick without dropping or struggling to control it. Now, judging how difficult aeatw is a completely different story. The fact of the matter is we will never have freestyle judging panels that can do every type of trick, so these things are going to happen. I personally think Mr. Woo is a great choice as a judge, but I can see why some think there are better options.

[L_I_S]

Well, on control alone it's fairly easy. If he performs the trick without dropping or struggling to control it. Now, judging how difficult aeatw is a completely different story. The fact of the matter is we will never have freestyle judging panels that can do every type of trick, so these things are going to happen. I personally think Mr. Woo is a great choice as a judge, but I can see why some think there are better options.

Controlling the ball from a knee juggle is vastly different from controlling a move that takes a lot of concentration. The control from knee juggle to foot juggle is pretty much perfect and gets 9/10, the control from skatw takes a few more juggles to get control and is rated 5/10 by Mr.Woo.

I'd rate it the skatw much higher and wouldn't even add knee juggle control when judging the overall. I'm sure most freestylers would say the same.
Therefore I'm a better judge than Mr.Woo.

[Max]

well since there is no difficulty criteria  i think redbull wanted to have difficulty in the control criteria which makes it impossible for Mr. Woo to judge. Furthermore if control-criteria is only about control you dont need mr woo to judge that. everybody can see who does tricks more ,,controlled'', at least every average freestyler.

[redsforlife]

LIS- your comment is obviously an exaggeration. I think Mr. Woo knows that Skala atw is much harder than a knee juggle. He's most likely not retarded.  How much Mr. Woo knows about lowers combos, I do not know. It obviously wasn't his style of freestyle.

 I actually disagree that the average freestyler can judge control as well as Mr. Woo as I see poor control in many videos that most freestylers overlook. Now, in the case of extremely difficult combos, I understand, but I see it on simple touches that should be clutch.

I still say the biggest problem is the judging criteria. If all of them could just vote on what they like best it would be better even if Touzani, Palle, and Mr. Woo stay as the freestylers on the jury. If this was the case we don't have to worry about Mr. Woo not knowing the about lowers combos.

[L_I_S]

The exaggeration was to show the differences more clearly.

[Yen]

LIS- your comment is obviously an exaggeration. I think Mr. Woo knows that Skala atw is much harder than a knee juggle. He's most likely not retarded.  How much Mr. Woo knows about lowers combos, I do not know. It obviously wasn't his style of freestyle.

 I actually disagree that the average freestyler can judge control as well as Mr. Woo as I see poor control in many videos that most freestylers overlook. Now, in the case of extremely difficult combos, I understand, but I see it on simple touches that should be clutch.

I still say the biggest problem is the judging criteria. If all of them could just vote on what they like best it would be better even if Touzani, Palle, and Mr. Woo stay as the freestylers on the jury. If this was the case we don't have to worry about Mr. Woo not knowing the about lowers combos.

Lol

[Yen]

On another note, if "best trick" is not judged based on difficulty then what is it based on?

[redsforlife]

I know. Just pointing out that outrageously exaggerated comparisons don't make a good argument. I'm fairly sure Mr. Woo rated many lowers tricks executed well quite highly. Now, could he tell which lowers are genuinely better between two top lowers guys if there aren't any drops, I'm not sure. We don't really know how much he follows modern freestyle. It's really impossible to tell.

All we know is Mr. Woo was definitely a very important person to freestyle. He should be respected.

[redsforlife]

Best trick was based on many things, but difficulty most likely was the most important at least in Palle's eyes. The problem is Palle's judging criteria tell him to overlook the entire performance for just the best individual trick. I really don't understand why Red Bull came up with this. Terrible judging criteria.

[Max]

I know. Just pointing out that outrageously exaggerated comparisons don't make a good argument. I'm fairly sure Mr. Woo rated many lowers tricks executed well quite highly. Now, could he tell which lowers are genuinely better between two top lowers guys if there aren't any drops, I'm not sure. We don't really know how much he follows modern freestyle. It's really impossible to tell.

All we know is Mr. Woo was definitely a very important person to freestyle. He should be respected.

yes but that doesnt make him a good judge imo. i dont know if you are aware of the complexity of lowers or understand it fully since you dont practise them yourself but even top-lower guys fail to understand all of it. it is very unlikely that mr. woo can judge the difficulty of lower combos or even upper combos nowadays by watching it only one time.

dont get me wrong it is very nice to see him still involved in freestyle and he is a legend no doubt but as a judge he is no good choice. then again, i didnt analyse his votes during rbss which wouldnt make much sense because of the criterias, which we both agree are total bulshit.

[L_I_S]

I know. Just pointing out that outrageously exaggerated comparisons don't make a good argument. I'm fairly sure Mr. Woo rated many lowers tricks executed well quite highly. Now, could he tell which lowers are genuinely better between two top lowers guys if there aren't any drops, I'm not sure. We don't really know how much he follows modern freestyle. It's really impossible to tell.

All we know is Mr. Woo was definitely a very important person to freestyle. He should be respected.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
Mr.Woo should not be a judge if I can judge just as well or even better than he can. There's no point in judging how well someone controls different juggling techniques if no one is bloody using them, is there? This means he isn't qualified to judge competitions post 1960.

[Sanderson]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
Mr.Woo should not be a judge if I can judge just as well or even better than he can. There's no point in judging how well someone controls different juggling techniques if no one is bloody using them, is there? This means he isn't qualified to judge competitions post 1960.

Yeah he can still tell the difference between a controlled combo and one that is all over the place.