RBSS World Finals Top 16 Gunther vs Sean

[Yen]

So.. Who's the apple, who's the orange?

[Max]

with overall-criteria i dindt mean allround, i thought of it more like how fluently executed the performance was and seans performance had much more flow. but yeah you are right its really really hard to compare these two freestylers.

[redsforlife]

Overall and all around can be used interchangeably. They more less mean the same thing. When both of us said all around we meant the entire performances being judged.

[Max]

Overall and all around can be used interchangeably. They more less mean the same thing. When both of us said all around we meant the entire performances being judged.

i heard in touzanis judge interview that he defined this criterium differently. not sure what he said exactly but it was something like that he judges the overall performance, how well it was built and how it ends. with allround i mean somethin totally different.

[Yen]

If overall meant how well the performance flowed, then there really isn't a criteria that marks you up for being all round. Variation may be a broader criteria that covers more than creativity specifically.

[redsforlife]

Well, lets just break down all around and overall as words before we apply them to freestyle. All around would mean every aspect of something. Overall would mean every aspect of something. They are the same thing.

I understand that many freestylers think of all around as someone that does lowers, uppers, sits, and maybe grounds. Really, it might be better to just say well rounded. All around will include things like flow, showmanship, difficulty, creativity, variety, etc.

[Max]

Whats the point in explaining these words grammatically? i have explained you what i meant in my post with allround and i explained you what touzani meant with overall. I only did that to show that i dont contradict myself in my earlier post.

[footwork]

in freestyle sport :

style = cleaning tricks
control : who proves that you can better control the ball
creativity : new tricks , not old but cool tricks or blocks
best trick : win who show to be more massive
over all : drops ,sit,upper and lower

 in red bull

style b-boy roxite : who dance better
control mr woo : who made less error
cannavaro creativity : who I like more
palle best trick: who is the technical
touzani : "sorry gunther i have almost voted against you because cannavaro is your friend"


 yes canavaro it's for me  i'm sure but  b-boy roxite and touzani are 100% agains me

80% of freestylers,  now is public look  what is beautiful and not what is difficult

you put Rocco as a judge of the style not a b-boy

Yan redsforlife next year in RBSSI'll trade : I dance and do somersault and i use jeans do not be afraid ( but in Italy if you do a sports with jeans ... they throw your out of the gym)

[iwontpostanymore]

I agree with most points , but on the other hand ....you know it will be like this and you accept the invitation of the tournament. Without spectacular battles with alot of powermoves and famous judges this tournament would not exist ....so take it or leave it !

we can still improve some things offcourse...i have given alot of feedback to redbull and they seem to listen . For example the first change ...change the word ''baller'' to freestyler and get rid of the criteria system.

Also for next editions some countries will be having more freestylers representing at the World Finals ...so it will be Qualifications + extra freestylers that get wildcards. For example like this poland can send like 3 freestylers !

[Yen]

in freestyle sport :

style = cleaning tricks
control : who proves that you can better control the ball
creativity : new tricks , not old but cool tricks or blocks
best trick : win who show to be more massive
over all : drops ,sit,upper and lower

 in red bull

style b-boy roxite : who dance better
control mr woo : who made less error
cannavaro creativity : who I like more
palle best trick: who is the technical
touzani : "sorry gunther i have almost voted against you because cannavaro is your friend"


 yes canavaro it's for me  i'm sure but  b-boy roxite and touzani are 100% agains me

80% of freestylers,  now is public look  what is beautiful and not what is difficult

you put Rocco as a judge of the style not a b-boy

Yan redsforlife next year in RBSSI'll trade : I dance and do somersault and i use jeans do not be afraid ( but in Italy if you do a sports with jeans ... they throw your out of the gym)

Gunther I am in no means trying to take the victory away from you. I may have preference over one style but I RESPECT all styles and there are very few people in the fs community that can do the atatw nt combos like you do. I think hardcore, difficult air combos will always be an essential in freestyle but as you said, more and more people are focusing more on public look and doing tricks that are more "beautiful". There is a reason for this; people who do not know the sport are more attracted to the "beautiful" tricks than the hardcore as they do not know the difficulty involved in executing these tricks. It's an undeniable fact that the crowd pleasers are usually the more "beautiful" tricks over the hardcore combos for that reason. In no means am I putting down hardcore, I am just saying that in a global community where a majority of the people aren't freestylers, they are more likely to appreciate the "beautiful" tricks than the hardcore combos.

I disagree that you said b-boy Roxite and Touzani are 100% against you because in the Quarter-Finals against Andrew, Touzani voted for you and in the play offs for 3rd place, b-boy Roxite voted for you.

Why mock Sean? All the other acrobatic freestylers (Boyka, Tokura etc) all wore shorts. It's just personal preference, like apple and orange

Peace.

[footwork]

wake up : this is a tournament not a  show  , in a show i'm the first to use the hand  and don't use NT but this is a tournament
 and is the people like you to kill this sport ,  red bull is commercial  and for this i have win against andrew , but if you say that in a battle i deserved to lose against Sean i'm sad for you because you have to change sport .
i have win in lower in sitdown and in upper  and he have made a littel drops and touch the ball with teh hand , I 0 drops
  style ? you think sean have the same effect with normal soccer short  and footsal shoes ? i know the answer and is : No
 you think it's possible use the hand?    in a show yes , in a battle no
creativity ?    I have not seen anything new or.... respond to tricks sean so,can be  new and creative
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 Sean it's an awersome freestyler and i think he deserve to arrive in top 16 because have a particular style and an awersome level but i don't wanna listen freestylers speack like normal people

  roxite have vote for me only when he have put me out of the tournament
and touzani ... i think he like the cap trick   because he don't know this ( it's bed but i think it's this)

[Yen]

It's called FREEstyle for a reason, each styler can do the tricks they enjoy. Don't hate on them. How boring would it be if we all did leg rotations? Do what you enjoy., don't let it worry you Gunther, you should enjoy the sport. Less hate