Combos Nowadays

[Max]

Great responses here, allthough its almost only the older freestylers posting here. Didnt want to offend any fast improving freestyler, just wanted to express my opinion.

Yeah miran i agree with you, yesterday a freestyler contacted me who has freestyled for 1,5 years now and asked me if i could do 3 revs after 1,5 years...... thats a bit sad imo.

Sam i would really like to read your point of view !!

[SimonFS]

I feel it's a bigger problem that people with shitty style do these kind of hardcore combos. I miss when having a good style was more important than doing hard combos..

[samfs]

After reading the responses and explanations I am starting to understand what you were talking about Max. I suppose FX would be a great example of someone who does well varied combos. But I don't think that the skatw combo skatw combo stuff should be completely ignored because it does take hours of practice to get to that level! Thanks for this thread though, will pay attention to what sorts of combos I put into videos now haha never thought of it this way 

[tunisianofreestyler]

I agree with everything you said Max ! I really miss the old times

[TF]

Someone lands patw in one video. Next video, various patw combos. Next video, patw combo patw.
Everything is SO predictable. Freestyle is boring as hell right now, that is a fact.
The 'new' generation seem to think that lowers are all about 3 revs and ugly as hell nt combos.
I could write for days about this topic haha

[Ethan]

I'm gonna be the person who bites the bullet and speaks on behalf of those who like doing the predictable 'level up' combos...

I personally love 3 revs because it feels like its pushing the limits of what is possible with a football. Of course those hungarian combos are more beautiful...but if i were to spend ages training them, then at the end of the day i would be training for the satisfaction of other people, not for my own personal satisfaction. That is not to say I don't do them...i do them them in the quantity which i enjoy!

1. I agree that too many are skipping out basics and doing like 5 strong foot latw before they can do atw htw atw htw x 20 or whatever

BUT

2. when it gets to a point where a fs'er IS able to do those basics...i strongly believe they should be able to train wtf they enjoy...if you're fsing for other people and not for yourself then i personally have zero respect for you.

Of course this is an entirely separate point from that of style...I do believe that no matter what level, if a style is shit that fs'er should work on it not because other people say so but because the sport is so beautiful so why not try your hardest to make your input to it as beautiful as possible...Just to re-iterate, that is NOT to say that unplanned 3 rev combos can't be beautiful...as long as the style is good!

[Max]

I disagree with you ethan. You are saying that people  do the.predictable stuff because they enjoy it and dont care about what others think of the but imo it is the opposite. People do these combos because thats the only ( or at least easiest way ) to get recognition in the community. People like mumin are the freestylers who do what they want and not the other way around. There are also some exceptions like you who have great level in everything and enjoy the predictable type of combos but the majority imo is doing it for recognition and therefore freestyle for others and not for themselves.

[tbc]

i disagree with ethan too. people's definition of hardcore has become limited. dont you think?
and instead of using their head to create something originally hardcore, they do the same thing done a million times to get recognition, just as max said...
tf, artes and skora are imo some of the best examples of the 'different' hardcore
but i respect your freestyle a lot ethan! for example your 2 apatw combos had the finishings they deserved. not a random nt or bunch of alt 2 revs..

[TF]

Ima just throw this out there as an example:

ARS - PACT3 - PART 3 (2:10) imo, one of the hardest combos ever. Who could replicate it?

Skóra LOWERBODY COMPETITION PART 2 (00:58) again, probably one of the hardest combos ever.

This is what freestyle is for me and I realised a few days ago the lack of these kind of combos is the reason I lost a great deal of passion and enthusiasm for the sport.

[tbc]

perfect examples TF! reminds me of the times i saw first few lower videos an had no idea what was going on there.

[samfs]

tbc you mention TF as one of the best examples of someone who does "different" hardcore, care to explain how?

[nono44]

2006 and 2007 was the good old times with lindroth last videos, skora 's clf competition, fx and rocco 's videos and of course palle the king. People started to make interesting combos with a lot of variations.
 Today is an interesting period too, we have new legends who push the limit like akim, ethan, lkr, charly iacono, J9, mp and always big legends who are still alive like skora, fx, rocco, footwork team, tobias, azun and palle (i can't imagine the freestyle world if one of them will stop freestyle).
 It's just sad that now big legends only make 1 or 2 video in a year because the most stylish combos are in these videos !