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[Max]

Tupac you would fit perfectly to the german freestyle-company FUSSBALLMARKT. they give you many gigs but pay you very bad. And the best thing for you: they dont want any quality, only someone who can do 1 atw more than the averagre football player.

[luki]

Tupac:

I understand your point of view, I used to think like that aswell. But the situation has changed - I am now, let's say, experienced in freestyle market, so are other guys(Azun, BigMac). If you were more into what we are doing(I mean PR, lps etc.), you'd point out that your attitude is very dangerous for "freestyle market". You are selfish a bit but it doesn't work, really. And trust me, you wouldn't take 5 lps for 200.
I am firmly convinced that you would cut the price because you would be afraid that the company wouldn't hire you. I used to do sth like that but it's pointless. Just tell the high price and if eg. 3 companies don't agree, 4th would agree. And then you have got:
-a lot of money
-more time that you can spend on whatever you like doing(because you don't go on 4 lps)


Azun: that sentence about polish workers hurt me!
Kiddin, that's actually true

[Azuuun]

Tupac:

I understand your point of view, I used to think like that aswell. But the situation has changed - I am now, let's say, experienced in freestyle market, so are other guys(Azun, BigMac). If you were more into what we are doing(I mean PR, lps etc.), you'd point out that your attitude is very dangerous for "freestyle market". You are selfish a bit but it doesn't work, really. And trust me, you wouldn't take 5 lps for 200.
I am firmly convinced that you would cut the price because you would be afraid that the company wouldn't hire you. I used to do sth like that but it's pointless. Just tell the high price and if eg. 3 companies don't agree, 4th would agree. And then you have got:
-a lot of money
-more time that you can spend on whatever you like doing(because you don't go on 4 lps)


Azun: that sentence about polish workers hurt me!
Kiddin, that's actually true

I can tell you this, that in Norway we NEED polish workers, cause we dont have enough construction workers here... so its not negative here, and we also have a rule that make sure the polish workers get the same payment as norwegians!

Im sure you got people coming to poland and work even cheaper.. I just gave an example and i think its the most typical in Europe (Germany-Poland)

[Liverinho]

I'm confused. Did BigMac and Tupac actually got mad or were they actually arguing?
About the gothia shit.. well, i have a classmate, he plays for team "nõmme united", maybe anyone has heard about that team. Basically they play gothia cup every year, last time i think they were 4th. Would be pretty cool to go.. but i'm not skilled enough  
Good luck who's entering.

[Tupac]

Tupac:

I understand your point of view, I used to think like that aswell. But the situation has changed - I am now, let's say, experienced in freestyle market, so are other guys(Azun, BigMac). If you were more into what we are doing(I mean PR, lps etc.), you'd point out that your attitude is very dangerous for "freestyle market". You are selfish a bit but it doesn't work, really. And trust me, you wouldn't take 5 lps for 200.
I am firmly convinced that you would cut the price because you would be afraid that the company wouldn't hire you. I used to do sth like that but it's pointless. Just tell the high price and if eg. 3 companies don't agree, 4th would agree. And then you have got:
-a lot of money
-more time that you can spend on whatever you like doing(because you don't go on 4 lps)


Azun: that sentence about polish workers hurt me!
Kiddin, that's actually true

thank you for the advice luki, it is welly noted, I see what you guys mean.
So if a company thinks my price is too high, I should walk away?

[Tupac]

Also I do games for the Chicago Fire, they pay us hourly, basically it is $75 a game, but some of us are waaayy better than the others (some of us feel we are getting underpaid), we're doing halftime shows every game next season, what would guys say would be a good price for that?

[Noah]

how much r u worth?

[Azuuun]

Also I do games for the Chicago Fire, they pay us hourly, basically it is $75 a game, but some of us are waaayy better than the others (some of us feel we are getting underpaid), we're doing halftime shows every game next season, what would guys say would be a good price for that?

Dont go by hours... tell them that its the practice for show that takes time and that is what you get paied for by doing a 5min show.

1 booking is 1 day of work atleast!

So you should atleast charge twize of a normal day payment. (no idea how much that is in your area...)


Then it comes down to how "Famous/good" you are... and offcourse how big the event is...

School LP is cheap (they dont have money)
Event/sponsor LP should be expensive (cause they have the money)


Many will have all these escuses to not pay... but remeber that they want a show and when they have called you.. in almost every case they dont have a backup plan, they just expect you to go cheap if they push you abit...

So know the marked and check who is asking.

Some days ago i checked a company that got over 300million in their finals for 2010... i guess they can afford me... ;)


Hope this was abit helpful, and remeber its not about fucking others, but not getting fucked ;)


Take care


Azun


(and yeah some would say its all about fucking, but then you freestyle for the wrong reasons ;) )

[Azuuun]

but i do have to agree with Luki...

If you cant do a show... dont do it...

should practice atleast 2-3 years before you do a show... and it SHOWS hehe.. even how fast you improove in video doing hardcore lower...

[Tupac]

thanks azun, wrote everything down, really appreciate the help man,
I don't really have a problem performing, I'm really really consistent, was unsure on how other people go about getting paid. Was unsure  what other people do as far as pricing and stuff, will tell my other fs friends what I learned here!

[anhkhoashevakt]

There wasn't much of your stupidity recently, i thought you got mature but now you strike again.

The thing is you don't have to make it cheaper, because there are not millions of freestylers. Especially you, you live in the US where the people are impressed very easily (when i was in the US, they were so impressed by atw htw) and where it's hard to get a good freestyler, and to fly in somebody from Europe it costs like $500.

you should read a book about game theory, so that you understand more about cooperation

I live in the US right now and don't know what you're talking about. 1 hr of busking continuously in Seattle, WA (outside of a game setting and not at Seattle Center where the tourists are) will earn you 1 dollar as the best possible option, no matter how good you are. Don't believe me? Ask Nam. He was here once, he'll know what I mean.
In some cities may be that can be the case (for example I know Times Square in NYC and the city of LA are very good places for busking because people actually give a sh!t) but in other cases people will certainly not be impressed easily by ATW HTW.
People in Europe makes 300 euros in 2 hrs busking and they say it's ridiculous. Come here and see how you do... Welcome to the land of opportunity!

[samfs]

Lol I love how everyone thinks the people in the US are all fat, stupid and rich
The only place where I've ever made proper money when busking was in times square..and that was also ridiculously low compared to what some others make. I don't busk much but it's near impossible here in queens (or most of NYC in general) to make a good amount of money busking