Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner
Wait, then how are we going to recognize those who are serious with freestyle but only started and can only do some ATW, HTW...? they're definitely not football players (since they're dedicated to freestyle), and they're trying as hard as they can to improve. So they're not beginner freestylers? What should we even call them? Football drop outs or Insignificant Insect?
It's true that the level of freestyle has indeed increased with all the freestylers Skora, Akim, MP... taking it to other levels, but a beginner is just a beginner. He's serious, but he simply don't have that kind of skill. Not yet. We can't simply ignore him because of that. We have to recognize him as a beginner freestyler, there's no other choice.
Take freestyle level to be from 0 (beginner) to 10 (advanced) in the past. Now the max level has increased to 100, and you guys are saying that beginner freestyler should be at like 30. However, beginner level should always start at absolute 0, no matter how high the maximum level is. Increasing the max level is equicalent to the elongation of the overall length of the scale, not keeping it constant and increased the beginner level instead.
About the "footballers" issue: sure there are footballers who can do tricks, but do they dedicate themselves only to learning tricks? No they don't. So the way we separate freestylers and footballers should be very simple: freestylers dedicate themselves for tricks, and footballers may know some tricks, but they don't dedicate all their time to learn more tricks.
you didnt understnad the whole system. of course you dont start to be a beginner when you can do the things ethan listed. these are just the top border for beginners. The beginner level is from one atw up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
This is just naturally because you always have do compare to the best. and compared to someone with top skill level like skora, talking about overall skill, a guy who can do amatw amatw nt and ahmatw is still a beginner.
Furthermore we are judging about airmoves because these require the highest dedication, training and skill. I myself have quite a good level at all styles (except grounds) and i can tell you that airmoves are by far hardest to learn and to perfect.
And to people who mention freestylers like brian lockyer: the system is just a guideline, since freestyle has so many different tricks there will always be some exceptions. Of course brian lockyer is an expert in airmoves, we all know that. but for example all the show freestylers have a very low skill level compared to the best like skora szymo andrew and so on.
