How do we know if we re begginer, intermediate etc???

[Ethan]

im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-

beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.

intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.

advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...

masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)




This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)

[jabarinho]

can't kamalio do patw? he got close in rbss against azun...

maybe kamalio can do patw, i have no idea, but i was judging his level from what i have seen in videos.

What's level of Yosshi then? lol. :p

blocking and stall moves are technically lowerbody fs but for the purpose of video lowers competitions i do not think they should count as lowers to determine your level. Just my opinion, but i think it would defeat the purpose of the competition. Most people enter video lowers comps to test their level against others in atw and htw variations. When judging lowers, upper, sits or whatever you have to compare like with like. So blocking and stalls should be a separate category.

But in allround level i would definitely say yosshi is advanced.

[redsforlife]

Beginner = someone who is just starting freestyle. Was this really hard for anyone? A beginner cannot do anything but the easiest of tricks. I have no clue what you're talking about them doing combos or hard tricks. They also can probably only do basic lower and uppers, maybe grounds. They definitely cannot do almost any sit-downs or even juggle sitting.

Intermediate- someone whom has become comfortable with several basic tricks in uppers, lowers, sitdowns, and grounds(eventhough most freestylers are beginners at grounds).

Advanced- People who can successfully do routines, combos, and transitions with a decent level of consistency.

Expert- People who can do very hard tricks, combos, etc. with a high level of consistency.

Why does everyone feel that freestylers must learn particular tricks to be above beginner stage? It makes no sense since it is "freestyle".

Also, by most of the answers Billy Wingrove is a beginner. He's definitely no world champion, but he is at least an intermediate level freestyler.

[Max]

Beginner = someone who is just starting freestyle. Was this really hard for anyone? A beginner cannot do anything but the easiest of tricks. I have no clue what you're talking about them doing combos or hard tricks. they also can probably only do basic lower and uppers, maybe grounds. they definitely cannot do almost any sit-downs or even juggle sitting.

Intermediate- someone whom has become comfortable with several basic tricks in uppers, lowers, sitdowns, and grounds(eventhough most freestylers are beginners at grounds).

Advanced- People who can successfully do routines, combos, and transitions with a decent level of consistency.

Expert- People who can do very hard tricks, combos, etc. with a high level of consistency.

Why does everyone feel that freestylers must learn particular tricks to be above beginner stage? It makes no sense since it is "freestyle".

Also, by most of the answers Billy Wingrove is a beginner. He's definitely no world champion, but he is at least an intermediate level freestyler.

compared to the very best freestylers he is a beginner PERIOD.

[redsforlife]

Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him.  Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. The two things aren't comparable on any level.

[Max]

Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him.  Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.

No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner

[Adi]

im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-

beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.

intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.

advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...

masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)




This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)

Whoa, this seems a tough grading scale.  You'd make for one tough teacher in school.

[anhkhoashevakt]

Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him.  Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.

No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner

Wait, then how are we going to recognize those who are serious with freestyle but only started and can only do some ATW, HTW...? they're definitely not football players (since they're dedicated to freestyle), and they're trying as hard as they can to improve. So they're not beginner freestylers? What should we even call them? Football drop outs or Insignificant Insect?

It's true that the level of freestyle has indeed increased with all the freestylers Skora, Akim, MP... taking it to other levels, but a beginner is just a beginner. He's serious, but he simply don't have that kind of skill. Not yet. We can't simply ignore him because of that. We have to recognize him as a beginner freestyler, there's no other choice.

Take freestyle level to be from 0 (beginner) to 10 (advanced) in the past. Now the max level has increased to 100, and you guys are saying that beginner freestyler should be at like 30. However, beginner level should always start at absolute 0, no matter how high the  maximum level is. Increasing the max level is equicalent to the elongation of  the overall length of the scale, not keeping it constant and increased the beginner level instead.

About the "footballers" issue: sure there are footballers who can do tricks, but do they dedicate themselves only to learning tricks? No they don't. So the way we separate freestylers and footballers should be very simple: freestylers dedicate themselves for tricks, and footballers may know some tricks, but they don't dedicate all their time to learn more tricks.

[L_I_S]

im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-

beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.

intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.

advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...

masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)

lol it's not trolling if you believe in it. I agree with this just the beginner part should be a little less. There should be a lower level too like novice.

[Ricke]

I don't get why so many people are so obsessed with having labels on their back saying i'm this or that.

[redsforlife]

Khoa, you are correct. His comments made literally no sense what so ever. By definition, one's level in freestyle cannot be judged by ability to do particular tricks, or half the legends would fall into beginner status. Please lets not get into the argument of freestyle vs football. If you insist on doing this, you are nothing but stupid.

[Batr]

im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-

beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.

intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.

advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...

masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)




This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)

where do you put Brian Lockyer? he is master on hhjatw, taatw and aatw variations but i don't think his weak foot is very good...