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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #216 on: Apr 22, 2011, 02:26: AM »
when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.

Yeah! ARS showed his consistency in his LP during Pyrzyce Tournament. I was shocked that he could perform everything he does in his films... NOT!
At that moment he already had problems with his left leg, that's the reason. But polands showed great freestyle in most amount :D

Pyrzyce tournament was over a year ago, so even if he had some problems with the leg, can this be a good excuse to perform such a shitty and lame lp, according to the fact that his level is so high haha? And about the Poles, yeah you're right, they showed great freestyle, especially on Europan Championships in Prague =)
His leg doesn't let him to do what he really can do by 1st tries.
Yeah, patw by 7th try by Szymo with inflated ball, some issues with deflated ball with other fsers - it's really great.

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #217 on: Apr 22, 2011, 03:08: AM »
OK sure. I will just leave this thread to people who knows what they're talking about then... Don't mind me, just continue your hardcore training. Btw if you guys hadn't noticed, I surrendered already. No need to bring up things that I felt I was wrong about from the start.
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« Reply #218 on: Apr 22, 2011, 04:37: AM »
His leg doesn't let him to do what he really can do by 1st tries.
Yeah, patw by 7th try by Szymo with inflated ball, some issues with deflated ball with other fsers - it's really great.

Haha, you are beef-witted ;D I guess you haven't seen his LP in Pyrzyce if you are trying to justify it by saying he had problems his leg.
Patw done at 7th attempt with an inflated ball... anyone counted the tries? Maybe it was a delegation from Russia who did it? ;D Besides, Szymo is better than any freestyler from Russia so your example doesn't persuade me at all. =)

As far as great freestyle in Prague is concerned...
Freestyle Battle:
1) Lukasz Chwieduk (Poland)
2)  Krzysiek Golonka (Poland)
3)  Arthur Mansilla (Brazíl)
4)  Filip Tyczkowski (Poland)

Freestyle Routines:
1) Pawel Skóra (Poland)
2)  Krzysiek Golonka (Poland)
3)  Philip Warren Gertsson (Sweden)

Sick-3:
1)  Rolánd Karászi (Hungary)
2)  Pawel Skóra (Poland)
3)  Michal Rycaj (Poland)

Where the fuck is Russia? Where's your high level and progress?
Aa.. I forgot about something. You tend to think that freestyle videos reflect actual skills of a freestyler, don't you?

Keep on training man, maybe one day some guy will post a comment below your video: "omg bro best video of the year for me kkkkk' yeah !

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #219 on: Apr 22, 2011, 04:53: AM »
giniu, maybe we should mention the judges? :D
Where the fuck was Poland at RBSS with such great results in Prague? :D

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #220 on: Apr 22, 2011, 05:07: AM »
Dunno what you're talking about. The judges in Prague were ok imo, since they judged freestyle, not only lowers, it's common in this type of tournaments.
Where was Poland at RBSS? hmmmm... higher than Russia? =)

Besides that, RBSS happened before Prague and each country had one freestyler representating it, so think before you post =)

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #221 on: Apr 22, 2011, 06:16: AM »
@giniu szymo is not better than any russian freestyler imho
you speak of polish achivements as if its all your work and success - i dont think so
ofc i don't know much about polish fs which i like, however you are nowhere close to leha in freestyle or contribution made for freestyle in the country

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #222 on: Apr 22, 2011, 06:59: AM »
Alex, I wasn't reffering to polish achievements as a result of my work at all. I wrote it only to confront it with what Leha wrote, it's easy to find it out so you just missed my point =) Sure, I'm not even close to leha in freestyle and I don't give a shit about it ;D I have no clue about his influence in his country's freestyle, but you don't have a clue about how much I've done, any polish freestyler can confrim that =)

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #223 on: Apr 22, 2011, 10:47: AM »
IMO some russians are killing freestyle in a way... you're limiting freestyle to only go in one direction. No innovation. Just train rolls when doing uppers coz it's harder, train sits by doing long combos and stall moves, train lowers by doing the hardcore shit.
to those who say john farnworth, jeon kwon, yo etc... are not freestylers are a bunch of wankers. period.
I do agree that with freestyle you must be committed to it just like in skateboarding, footbag, and other underground sport/arts.
and yes at the rate russians are improving at "LOWERS" they're the best at doing that. But those who say creativity isn't FREEstyle are just plain stupid.
my definition of freestyle is doing what you want with the ball using mostly your feet, not just atw variations.
and it's true that szymo, skora, and luki are better than probably all russian fsers. MP, Artes and Baruzdin imo are the only ones from Russia who can compete and WIN at the highest levels.
It's because they don't limit themselves to only training one style, with the exception of MP. MP is the best at lowers in Russia to me and is just a complete phenomenon. Depending on who works harder, I don't think it will be too long before MP will surpass Skora completely like how Skora surpassed Palle and Fx. Artes and Baruzdin are just extremely high level at all round. like seriously high level...
MP = Skora (but skora is way better sits and uppers)
Artes and Baruzdin = Szymo and Luki (but szymo and luki are way better at flow and speed)
And for those who doubted the tournament at prague, it had palle as a judge  :great:
I believe that Russians are the fastest at improving when it comes to lowers, maybe even uppers, but what about the rest of freestyle? Leha has great (most probably the best) advices when it comes to improving stamina, techniques of moves, etc... He really is like the 1st PROPER freestyle coach and he's a master at freestyle theory no doubt. But it doesn't mean you can't listen to other ppl with great knowledge on OTHER parts of freestyle. It's like you're a boxer and you have a stamina coach teaching you how to improve on quickness or power...
Where are the Russians when it comes to creating new tricks? Even at lowers, you guys have no new atw variations/combos/moves.
I really want to hear the opinions of Professor Leha and Mr. Alex (MFS, Masters degree on freestyle sport) on Japan freestyle. They don't use much hands but they're a fan of hiphop fs (block moves). I especially want to hear your opinions on Kamalio, Yo, Yosshi, Petike, Yamato, Tokura, Martin Schopf, Jeon Kwon,  Rene etc... Are their styles considered freestyle? If they're freestylers, are they good freestylers?
 

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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #224 on: Apr 22, 2011, 01:23: PM »
IMO some russians are killing freestyle in a way... you're limiting freestyle to only go in one direction. No innovation. Just train rolls when doing uppers coz it's harder, train sits by doing long combos and stall moves, train lowers by doing the hardcore shit.
to those who say john farnworth, jeon kwon, yo etc... are not freestylers are a bunch of wankers. period.
I do agree that with freestyle you must be committed to it just like in skateboarding, footbag, and other underground sport/arts.
and yes at the rate russians are improving at "LOWERS" they're the best at doing that. But those who say creativity isn't FREEstyle are just plain stupid.
my definition of freestyle is doing what you want with the ball using mostly your feet, not just atw variations.
and it's true that szymo, skora, and luki are better than probably all russian fsers. MP, Artes and Baruzdin imo are the only ones from Russia who can compete and WIN at the highest levels.
It's because they don't limit themselves to only training one style, with the exception of MP. MP is the best at lowers in Russia to me and is just a complete phenomenon. Depending on who works harder, I don't think it will be too long before MP will surpass Skora completely like how Skora surpassed Palle and Fx. Artes and Baruzdin are just extremely high level at all round. like seriously high level...
MP = Skora (but skora is way better sits and uppers)
Artes and Baruzdin = Szymo and Luki (but szymo and luki are way better at flow and speed)
And for those who doubted the tournament at prague, it had palle as a judge  :great:
I believe that Russians are the fastest at improving when it comes to lowers, maybe even uppers, but what about the rest of freestyle? Leha has great (most probably the best) advices when it comes to improving stamina, techniques of moves, etc... He really is like the 1st PROPER freestyle coach and he's a master at freestyle theory no doubt. But it doesn't mean you can't listen to other ppl with great knowledge on OTHER parts of freestyle. It's like you're a boxer and you have a stamina coach teaching you how to improve on quickness or power...
Where are the Russians when it comes to creating new tricks? Even at lowers, you guys have no new atw variations/combos/moves.
I really want to hear the opinions of Professor Leha and Mr. Alex (MFS, Masters degree on freestyle sport) on Japan freestyle. They don't use much hands but they're a fan of hiphop fs (block moves). I especially want to hear your opinions on Kamalio, Yo, Yosshi, Petike, Yamato, Tokura, Martin Schopf, Jeon Kwon,  Rene etc... Are their styles considered freestyle? If they're freestylers, are they good freestylers?
 
1. Rollers are definitely NOT hard (spend (2) months on them and you will have 10rproll (np).Uppers in general are easy. Russian SAMuel trained in body tricks btw.
2. Long combos are good, they give you good basics - imo not bad advice.
3. Leha does not argue that there is FREEstyle, he just thinks it's stupid, as some of us others think as well. All leha tells you is that it is useless for hardcore fs, do not take it as in insult.
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Re: Argue in here thread
« Reply #225 on: Apr 22, 2011, 01:59: PM »
@giniu - ok as i wrote - indeed i can't know of what you've done - but don't be hating on russia
after the trip to warsaw 2009 - ars wrote a big article about his trip - and he wrote only good things about polish freestylers
so i think it would not be cool if this thread turns into hateful argument about russia and poland

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« Reply #226 on: Apr 22, 2011, 03:07: PM »
ok and where are your great South America freestylers in these categories? no master in anything from South America. i believe ARS German and MP beat everyone from SA in lowers and started freestyle way later. plus the other guys you mentioned as masters are also mainly masters in one category (except Mirko and Becs) while russians are on high level in everything and in a shorter time of freestyle. i dont get your argumentation vish22

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« Reply #227 on: Apr 22, 2011, 03:11: PM »
Max, i have already mentioned that ARS,German and MP and masters in ahmatw,ahtatw and their cross and triple variations.They are not no.1 nor no.2,in no touches nor bec variations nor latw-alatw variations,but they are crazy nonetheless.

Anyways,that was not my point,what i am trying to say that who else??u tell me,other than these 3-4 hardcore insane machines,who else is even near them in russia huh??can any1 else in russia do more than 5 amatws nt?triple bec variation??4alatws???
You can talk about a high level,but u need to be good in all categories to attain an overall high level which clearly 80% russians are not
They just are insane in ahmatws and ahtatws and putting them in longish,combos.and they train 6 hrs everyday.but yes,the average level in russia is way higher than in europe,and big big for that and nobodys pushing them down for that.
Now look at south america,do u think they train 6 hrs everyday??crasso moslo,LKR,esteban,to name a few have trained a bit more than 2 years and dont u think they have attained a higher overall level than the 80% russians who train 6hrs everyday?
can u get what i'm saying now?
Russians,practice other hardcore variations a bit more and then nobody can touch u

crasso train more than 4 years now and esteban more than 2, well then lkr is crazy xD