Argue in here thread

[L_I_S]

Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.

vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.

Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.

I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.

Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.

Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.

Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.

We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.

If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.

[tbc]

Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.

vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.

Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.

I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.

Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.

Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.

Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.

We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.

If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.

i can post since its the argue thread
maybe i got your argument wrong. i think your examples are wrong. 42 hours a week will make your muscles develop skills faster. but 42 hours in 4 months is nothing, you dont retain the skills nor do you learn them, muscles forget the skills as the time gap between trainings increases.
also, it is about training efficiently like doctor g said

[L_I_S]

Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.

vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.

Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.

I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.

Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.

Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.

Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.

We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.

If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.

i can post since its the argue thread
maybe i got your argument wrong. i think your examples are wrong. 42 hours a week will make your muscles develop skills faster. but 42 hours in 4 months is nothing, you dont retain the skills nor do you learn them, muscles forget the skills as the time gap between trainings increases.
also, it is about training efficiently like doctor g said

Why would overtraining cause your muscles to develop faster? Muscles don't grow while you're training.
Besides, in my examples both freestylers turned out with the same result, maybe the 4 months part was a bit of a stretch but the idea behind it is the same.
The point was that both freestylers are the same in every way except that one guy did it in 1 year and the other did it in 2 years but they both used the same amount of time to gain their skill.

[dunnowhois]

The approach to trainings is necessary, not time. Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.

[vish22]

Yes LIS,what you mentioned is right
what seperates russian progress from others is their determination to improve,but within the same no. of hours as any other high class 3+ year feestyler...but this logic is very inconclusive of their their training methods,only tells u that they are ready to put their 100% to achieve in predetermined time..
but south americans,at least i feel are much more talented(maybe less determined for a long term),and if u compare their training time in hours,u can easily see who has progressed more..
and now since every1 are like "woah 6hrs training imrpoves you and shit",this will only make everyone else world wide more competitive and really narrow down on the russian spectrum...

[vish22]

it is about training efficiently like doctor g said

Please define this efficiently,can you measure it?

who will get hardcore lower level

means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?

[Tupac]

Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
 tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.

[dunnowhois]

who will get hardcore lower level

means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
[/quote]
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.

[Max]

who will get hardcore lower level

means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?

Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
[/quote]

I'm hardcore

[L_I_S]

Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
 tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.

Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.

Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.

Why not?

[vish22]

who will get hardcore lower level

means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?

Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
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yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned

[dunnowhois]

Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
 tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.

Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.

Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.

Why not?

Did you see any? European still surprise when they see some guy who does 2 amatw nt after 1 year of training.

who will get hardcore lower level

means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?

Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.

yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned

What the random combos 'alatw-batw'? 'pallemove-ahtatw nt'?
There are many fsers in Russia who can do ahtatw nt easily. About moves after alatw - almost nobody trains alatw-batw exactly because its useless, but alatw-htatw (by weak foot too) can do many.

'I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years'
If u didnt know alatw-almatw couldnt be nt, freestyle master :D
Tatw-batw nt - yea, again almost nobody in Russia trains those combos. But if u can do 3 amatw nt and amatw-3matw nt by strong and at least amatw-2matw nt by weak you easily can do ur amatw-matw-amatw-matw nt, idiot. That's why u are almost the one and only freestyler in ur country with poor level - if anybody asks you to help him you can only answer 'just practice'. What a pity