Religion Thread

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1 - Proof Of Islam - The Proof That Islam Is The Truth

No offence, but that title is ridiculous. Religion is based on believe, not on proof. To proove something, you need science, and science is the opposite of religion.
I think Religion exists because of phenomens nobody could explain. Things like polar light, lightning, etc were belived to be something magic, sign of God (or Allah, whoever). But today, all those things many things can be explained scientifically.
I have no problem with people believing in anything, as long as they are not fanatic about it.

makes no sense at all.

[Royal Freakiness]

As Muslims we don't just believe just for the sake of believing. we have our reasons for believing and our proofs that islam is the true religion. all you do is   i bet none of you watched any of the videos i posted.

[Christof]

you have the "true religion" if your satisfied in what you believe in. that's why everybody, no matter what religion he believes in, claims that his own religion is the right one.

By the way, if everybody chooses on his own what religion he believes in, isn't that a coincidence that 99% of the people have the same religion as their parents? If your parents were Jewish, you'd just write:

As Jews we don't just believe just for the sake of believing. we have our reasons for believing and our proofs that Jewry is the true religion. all you do is  ecomcity i bet none of you watched any of the videos i posted.

Sounds well, doesn't it?

[Adi]

to me, whether religious or not, there will always be reasons for war. ppl will fight for food, for money, for land, for football teams, for musicians etc... and I believe religion is there to determine who is right or wrong. I hope yous understand. I'm not that knowledgeable in this area, just wanted to point out that religion is not the cause of all wars you know. IMO, religious ppl fight between one another because they see other religions as an insult to their religion. So they either preach by words, or cause a holy war. Hindus say god has many forms. Christians say, correct me if Im wrong, there is 3 in 1 god or something like that. Muslims say Allah (God) is only One, the Self-Sufficient Master, He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him. And atheists say there is no god, full stop. as you can see, each of them can't co-exist with one another.

Huh? How? I don't see religion deciding a man's faith in court. At least not in the US. Freedom of religion baby! I don't want someone telling me who's right or wrong based on religion.

Of course religion is not the only cause of war but it's pretty damn popular.  You kinda contradict yourself there in your statement.  You say religion doesn't start many wars but then you talk about the importance of religion and how people get in wars because they want to prove one another wrong. Yes, some do it peacefully but as we've seem many don't.

Nobody understands the power of religion, religion is the strongest placebo effect known too man.
I used too have a very simular mindset too the TFs post, but after doing various studies, imma never knock religion again.
For example look at muhamed ali, and look at micheal jackson.
Both believe in two seperate religions, so only one is correct?
But how come, they both put all there sucess down too god.
In this post im not questioning whether or not religion is real, but relegion is so great for the mind, having the belief that god is on your side, a superior too anything in the world, makes you beleieve you will win, and will push forward.
Religion is such a powerfull tool, whether its the truth or not, nobody knows, however there are such benefits too it, down too the placebo affect.

I see what you are saying, but...

What about the other side of religion?  All the wars, the dead people, the insecurities of those practicing a minority religion, the discrimination?  Do the things you describe in your post outweigh the above?  It's a good question to ponder...

What do you believe in, Adi?

Not sure yet... I think I'll figure it out later in life. Right now I'm not a religious guy but I somewhat believe that there is a God. I don't follow a specific religion. It's all the same with slightly different stories, if that. I am very open and don't side with any religion or belief. I wish more people were open minded like that. I don't like those that try to prove others wrong on religion. I Christian can't tell me he's right and all the Muslims are wrong or vise versa.

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Genghis khan, colonial era, hitler, stalin, ww1 and 2 (hiroshima) and many others are not famous for brutality with religion the cause. i dont agree with you adi. wars and violence are not because of religion. u dont have to be smart to know its human greed. Religion/cast/color/patriotism are used as excuse for war.

[Royal Freakiness]

that's the thing adi, what you don't understand is Islam is complete. It teaches us not only about spirituality and the path to paradise but also about legal rulings in the Shariah court, and about the more secular part of life (economics, business, science and what have you)
We have a complete guideline on how a caliph (a deserving pious leader voted by a united nation of muslims) should take care of the united ummah (state), how a caliph should deal with non-muslims, how people use money etc...
Currently, we don't have an actual Islamic ruling Ummah of muslims or a country that applies the Shariah.
Islam is not just a guideline on how to pray, how to fast, how to perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) etc.
It is a complete way of life.
It's just extremely unfortunate that the leaders of the Muslim world now are just ignorant tools... They don't know anything about their religion. Also, it's not only the leaders but the people who are problematic too. You get teenagers who are ignorant about their religion; they drink alcohol, they have sex, they do a lot of sinning, but are easily emotionally devastated by what happens in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan etc... They are easy targets for extremists to round up and call for their "Jihad". These teenagers and their generation grow up as extremists.
I'm convinced that most people around the world just don't know what's happening in the Muslim world. This generation of Muslims is a complete mess.
You should see some of my friends. They're lost. But when they hear something like the WTC has been hit they just shout, "YEAH!! Death to those kuffars!" 
And you don't only get these ignorant extremists, you have 73 different sects in the Muslim world now, one of them being the extremists or what you call khawarij.   
Did you know that these khawarij say, "Osama bin Laden is not religious. He doesn't cause enough damage."  No joke.
I can go on about why people have a bad image of Islam, but it's only gonna coz a headache.

Peacage. 

[Adi]

No offense man, but why are you friends with extremists who who are happy about the WTC going down?  

[L_I_S]

No offense man, but why are you friends with extremists who w
are happy about the WTC going down? 

It was an inside job, they just took the credit!

Oh, and what you said before sounds like an agnostic theist. 

[Royal Freakiness]

no, i didn't know that their idea was like that. I'm not saying they're extremists now.
i was merely pointing out that many of those who turned extremist are ignorant people and that ppl who are like my friends are easy targets for extremist leaders call to their cause. 

[G-Kid]

Good question Adi.

I understand the logic, and the whole concept.
I personally disagree that religion is directly responsible for the wars etc
Got alot too do with the way the islamic religion is being viewed in the media, and alot too do with the fucking idiots that run the goverment.
Barrack Obama promised too offer a hand too the islamic faith on his first day of presidency, two days later he was dropping bombs in pakistan.
Same man that got a nobel PEACE prize, when he commited 20, 000 troops too afghanistan.
If you see the horrendous things that are going on in afghan, iraq etc...
I see the extremist point of view, even tho its completly wrong.
Afterall, the United states goverment trained the taliban, trained osama bin laden, gave them billions of dollars, Ofc the Afghani people are going too fight back with gorrila war fair and not let them rule there country, they funded there bloody enemy!
Look at how much money george bush, tony blair has made indirectly from iraq, through oil, bridges etc etc... And you wonder why people are up in arms.

I also find it wrong, how when its a soilder emtying his gun on islamic people, there classed as a hero, but when its a islamic man, detenating a bomb, hes a terrorist, there both as bad as each other.
The problem with the wolrd imo has nothing directly too do with relgion, it may play a part, but the main problem with the world is money, thats all that the goverment, the military, the media care about. That is the reason behind the wars, that is the reason behind every single fucking problem in society. That The goverment puts money before your life.

[DanTheMan]

guys, im sick of molesting kids.. i too wanna convert to islam so i can rape a woman then punish her for having sex with me!

nah just kiddin... but i hate religion they all suck!

firstly, i hope theirs a heaven but there probably isnt.. i just live my life trying to appreciate everything i have, being a good person in general, i know im a joker and stuff but i have a good heart, its hard to tell over the net sometimes, to be honest im really sad when anything happens no matter to what religion or peoples..

just treat others like you would like to be treated, and dont rape children.. the rest is common sense

[Royal Freakiness]

guys, im sick of molesting kids.. i too wanna convert to islam so i can rape a woman then punish her for having sex with me!

nah just kiddin... but i hate religion they all suck!

mate, easy on the jokes. There might be an al qaeda predator drone spying on you right now waiting to give the signal to an extremist to bomb your house  
dan, i understand your belief and i respect that you love a peace loving society.
Just an advice, sometimes it's better to be knowledgeable than ignorant. You hope there's a heaven but you don't want to find out if there's a heaven because you think there probably isn't. Why not try and search if there truly is a heaven. Try reading on Islam. If you still don't believe then that's up to you. Just saying.

good points g-kid
Power is one of the main reasons for war if not the main reason. Money fuels your power. The more money you control the more power you have.
I've watched some interesting documentaries about the Masons, Illuminatis, Bilderberg and other similar power-hungry secret societies.
I don't know if it's true that these groups are behind all the wars and if they're trying to bring about what they call "The New World Order", but those indie documentaries seem convincing.