Religion Thread

[Onas]

@ Onas:
have you even researched on Islam? 
here's a thing to ponder on
the ppl of the highest order in christianity are almost completely separate from the ppl when it comes to secular matters. they don't marry, they don't do anything
the ppl of the highest order in buddhism live their lives in temples, worshipping. completely helpless ppl.
the ppl of the highest order in Islam? they marry, they have children. they eat amongst normal ppl like normal ppl do. they have businesses. they learn science, maths, geography etc... they can be doctors, scientists, accountants, explorers etc... they care about animals. they are politicians, they are knowledgeable about the rulings in Islam. they are religious leaders but still live normal lives. They will go to battle when necessary. they have fun with normal ppl, hang out with them etc... you don't see that in other religions. Islam is a COMPLETE way of life, sses. they learn science, maths, geography etc... they can be doctors, scientists, accountants, explorers etc... they care about animals. they are politicians, they are knowledgeable about the rulings in Islam. they are religious leaders but still live normal lives. They will go to battle when necessary. they have fun with normal ppl, hang out with them etc... you don't see that in other religions. Islam is a COMPLETE way of life, not just a religion in theonot just a religion in theory. it's about practice too.

I didn't say Islam isn't peaceful, I said satanism is maybe more peaceful than Islam  I don't think all Muslims are that bad (although the Jihad part can suck a dick), but I don't like some restrictions that Islam carries with it. For example, a man (I think he was from Pakistan) who converted from Islam to Christianity, had to be beheaded by local laws. So if you are a muslim, could you tell me what's so bad about someone's personal choice of what he decides to believe in?
Not to mention banning all portraits of people, music (that's what I heard, it's on you to say if I'm right or wrong) and I even heard an interesting theory that in some countries like Iran exist concentration camps, very similar to the ones used by Nazis or people from North Korea...

[Onas]

@ Onas:
have you even researched on Islam? 
here's a thing to ponder on
the ppl of the highest order in christianity are almost completely separate from the ppl when it comes to secular matters. they don't marry, they don't do anything
the ppl of the highest order in buddhism live their lives in temples, worshipping. completely helpless ppl.
the ppl of the highest order in Islam? they marry, they have children. they eat amongst normal ppl like normal ppl do. they have businesses. they learn science, maths, geography etc... they can be doctors, scientists, accountants, explorers etc... they care about animals. they are politicians, they are knowledgeable about the rulings in Islam. they are religious leaders but still live normal lives. They will go to battle when necessary. they have fun with normal ppl, hang out with them etc... you don't see that in other religions. Islam is a COMPLETE way of life, sses. they learn science, maths, geography etc... they can be doctors, scientists, accountants, explorers etc... they care about animals. they are politicians, they are knowledgeable about the rulings in Islam. they are religious leaders but still live normal lives. They will go to battle when necessary. they have fun with normal ppl, hang out with them etc... you don't see that in other religions. Islam is a COMPLETE way of life, not just a religion in theonot just a religion in theory. it's about practice too.

I didn't say Islam isn't peaceful, I said satanism is maybe more peaceful than Islam  I don't think all Muslims are that bad (although the Jihad part can suck a dick), but I don't like some restrictions that Islam carries with it. For example, a man (I think he was from Pakistan) who converted from Islam to Christianity, had to be beheaded by local laws. So if you are a muslim, could you tell me what's so bad about someone's personal choice of what he decides to believe in?
Not to mention banning all portraits of people, music (that's what I heard, it's on you to say if I'm right or wrong) and I even heard an interesting theory that in some countries like Iran exist concentration camps, very similar to the ones used by Nazis or people from North Korea...

And one more thing. You said the people of the highest order in Buddhism live thier lives in temples, worshipping... There is a chance I misunderstood the conception of Buddhism, but it's wrong to image Budha like some badass powerful god that punishes every sinner and laughs at him. He is the MAN who found the way how to really enjoy your life, how to make peaceful world. Who knows if he was right... But as far as I remember, there weren't many restrictions, they were more like advices (like no fucking/having sex/having a passion love before getting married) and by abiding those advices, you should find a true peace or something, lol 
But if this is their way of having a life & enjoying a life, what's wrong about it? Some people says us, freestylers, don't have a life as well, doing same thing over and over again...but we enjoy it, they don'T have a clue how this sport is enjoyable, so I don't care about some noobish footballers talking shit if I find it the best way of having a life 

[Royal Freakiness]

you haven't read on Islam and it's teachings after all...
you're only looking at what the major media portrays
research the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAWS) (ways, actions, sayings, and those actions and sayings he approved of). see if there's anything about having concentration camps, whether it be muslims or non-muslims
you don't know what jihad means.
Ruling on jihad and kinds of jihad
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20214

in response to your thoughts about apostasy

Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20327/

Why death is the punishment for Apostasy
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/811/

The punishment for the apostate is execution. Why such harshness?
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12406/

[26spyker]

All you people opting for science and facts against religion are not doing the right thing. Science is great, but doesnt make us equal to God.
If u say science works by the way of proof and turns it in to law. think again.
It took Einstein (better than S. Hawking) less then 3 centuries to put Newton's laws into trouble and things working in Newton's comfort zone started to fail when Einstein put them to test.
And Einstein's E=mc2 gave results (like the horrible atom bomb) but now it is under question on another level.
Explosions defying Einstein? - Death Star - BBC Horizon science
Georg Ferdinand Ludwig Philipp Cantor probably the GREATEST mathematician of all time, who dared to go beyond infinity had numerous nervous breakdowns and constantly went into rehab.others too..
BBC-Dangerous Knowledge (Part 1-10)
Math which was the first thing humans used for logic and proof and in the end FACTS has not helped them much. Einstein's misery in his words :
"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
The comfort a king enjoyed when people lived in caves was much greater than what science gives to an average man now.
I dont hold anything against anyone . I m just saying people here should not hang on to science to go against religion.
Seriously, u can only talk about religion if u have been into it otherwise all u will see is what is in your face. Like billy wingrove is in the face of the world except those of us who know.
(26spyker's friend,i use his account for bf..)

[Royal Freakiness]

Islam has nothing against science or technological advancements

How can the Muslims reconcile between striving for the Hereafter and striving for worldly purposes?
Question: In this world if the muslims dedicate all their time and actions for the benifit in the hereafter (aakhira)not doing any worldly matters, then how can the muslums contribute to the benifits of civilisation and humanity such as in technology, science and inventions?.
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/69747/

Mankind’s need for religion
Question: Why do people need religion? Isn’t it enough to have (man-made) laws that will regulate people’s lives?
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/14055/

Evidence that the Qur'aan is the Word of Allaah
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/13804/

[Onas]

Yes, I wont deny that Ive never read Qur'aan, maybe more because of I didnt know how it will affect me than because of my own laziness. You still didnt change my opinion, but I will try to not say it (my opinion) loudly until when I check the links youve sent to me...and MAYBE checking the Quraan. Not because I fell in love with it, but because of acusing me that I dont know anything about it. Thanks for the links.

[G-Kid]

There is no god, that has been proving by the worlds smartest man, Steven Hawking, who has triple the IQ and Knowledge than any of you, so royal, you are wrong, that is a simple fact.
But theres nothing wrong with beleving in religion, if it benefits your life go for it, most people that have cancer or serious diseases, the ones that beleive in god tend too have a higher survival rate, which is got alot more too do with the placbo affect and the nervous system, but if you genuiley beleive that Mr. Hawkings is wrong, then you too close minded.

I think you are the one being close minded and arrogant with your placebo comments. You clearly don't understand that religion is built on faith and not facts. If faith is attempted to be proven as fact, the 'faith' part is gone and is no longer a belief.
Anyway, could you post the link to the disproofing of God.
What do you believe regarding the creation of everything?

@Ricke: Thanks, that sounds like a logical explanation.

Im not being closeminded, im just well educated on the topic.
Religion should be based on facts, otherwise there should be no beleif, thats utter nonsense im sorry.
The placebo affect is a "fact", not an opinion, a scientifically proven fact.
The placebo affect is the strongest healing power known too man, more powerfull than any form of medicine.
Do what your want, im happy you or whoever else believes in religion, religion unites people, and can change peoples lifes in amazing ways, i wish i was a religious person, but i was never raised that way, ive got no problem with it! DO WATCHA WANT!

There you go, you've done it again. I'm not going to argue anything with you for you are much too close minded to even realise that your mind is completely closed to all other ideas. And fwiw, I am not religious. You've presumed this because I have kept an open mind about everything in this topic thus far, except for what you've been saying.


@Damiano: Assuming you know what agnostic is, agnostic  theist would you believe in one form of a higher dietry and atheist would agnostic atheist would not.

Im not close minded you utter total egototistical little moron.
I personally have read lots of teachings from the bibile, the quaran, and so forth.
Religion is an amazing tool for both good and bad.
I have no problem with people that beleive in religion, i am open too suggestions, as i was protestant most of my life, surely me switching from that too Aethism proves im not close minded you fucking imberseel.
I dont beleive in a god simply because the universe  is just  too complicated, eg. species of bees inserting there eggs into a spiders head, If there was a god for me.
Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god, i just have made my mind up from the MANY theories i have read, coz thats what they are, theories, nothing is proven.
Honestly tho, i am not close minded, i beleive in most of the teachings in the bible and Quran, i just dont beleive in god.
Now shut the fuck up.

[26spyker]

G-kid getting aggressive..now they all will think religion creates hate....
its always the people!

[L_I_S]

Im not close minded you utter total egototistical little moron.
I personally have read lots of teachings from the bibile, the quaran, and so forth.
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i beleive in most of the teachings in the bible and Quran, i just dont beleive in god.

HURR DURR I'm not close minded because I read some stuff HURR DURR
You believe in most of the teachings, so what? Everyone knows that killing, stealing etc are wrong, you are not special.

i was protestant most of my life, surely me switching from that too Aethism proves im not close minded you fucking imberseel.

No it does not. It just means that you prefer fact over faith.

I dont beleive in a god simply because the universe  is just  too complicated, eg. species of bees inserting there eggs into a spiders head, If there was a god for me.

Don't you believe that there was nothing and then heaps of shit collided and then heaps of shit was formed? And a bee laying an egg is something you're worried about? Anyway, this part is irrelevant for we are not discussing if the existance of God would or wouldn't be able to make magic happen.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god

There is no evidence proving Gods existance. For someone who is so "educated" in the subject, you'd know that there would be no way that it is provable.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god, i just have made my mind up from the MANY theories i have read, coz thats what they are, theories, nothing is proven.
Honestly tho, i am not close minded

How can you have made your mind up and not have closed your mind to all other possiblities?
Think before you let shit out through your fingers and start swearing because you're a tad angry.

[G-Kid]

Im not close minded you utter total egototistical little moron.
I personally have read lots of teachings from the bibile, the quaran, and so forth.
....
..
i beleive in most of the teachings in the bible and Quran, i just dont beleive in god.

HURR DURR I'm not close minded because I read some stuff HURR DURR
You believe in most of the teachings, so what? Everyone knows that killing, stealing etc are wrong, you are not special.

i was protestant most of my life, surely me switching from that too Aethism proves im not close minded you fucking imberseel.

No it does not. It just means that you prefer fact over faith.

I dont beleive in a god simply because the universe  is just  too complicated, eg. species of bees inserting there eggs into a spiders head, If there was a god for me.

Don't you believe that there was nothing and then heaps of shit collided and then heaps of shit was formed? And a bee laying an egg is something you're worried about? Anyway, this part is irrelevant for we are not discussing if the existance of God would or wouldn't be able to make magic happen.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god

There is no evidence proving Gods existance. For someone who is so "educated" in the subject, you'd know that there would be no way that it is provable.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god, i just have made my mind up from the MANY theories i have read, coz thats what they are, theories, nothing is proven.
Honestly tho, i am not close minded

How can you have made your mind up and not have closed your mind to all other possiblities?
Think before you let shit out through your fingers and start swearing because you're a tad angry.

Its like talking too a chimp, no matter what you say or tell them, there gonna throw utter shit at you either way.
I genuiely couldnt give a wank discussing this with you any further, its no use
Educate yourself on the topic, then holla at me.
Ignorant.

[L_I_S]

Im not close minded you utter total egototistical little moron.
I personally have read lots of teachings from the bibile, the quaran, and so forth.
....
..
i beleive in most of the teachings in the bible and Quran, i just dont beleive in god.

HURR DURR I'm not close minded because I read some stuff HURR DURR
You believe in most of the teachings, so what? Everyone knows that killing, stealing etc are wrong, you are not special.

i was protestant most of my life, surely me switching from that too Aethism proves im not close minded you fucking imberseel.

No it does not. It just means that you prefer fact over faith.

I dont beleive in a god simply because the universe  is just  too complicated, eg. species of bees inserting there eggs into a spiders head, If there was a god for me.

Don't you believe that there was nothing and then heaps of shit collided and then heaps of shit was formed? And a bee laying an egg is something you're worried about? Anyway, this part is irrelevant for we are not discussing if the existance of God would or wouldn't be able to make magic happen.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god

There is no evidence proving Gods existance. For someone who is so "educated" in the subject, you'd know that there would be no way that it is provable.

Thats for me, i happily accept that there is eveidence showinig there is a god and there isnt a god, i just have made my mind up from the MANY theories i have read, coz thats what they are, theories, nothing is proven.
Honestly tho, i am not close minded

How can you have made your mind up and not have closed your mind to all other possiblities?
Think before you let shit out through your fingers and start swearing because you're a tad angry.

Its like talking too a chimp, no matter what you say or tell them, there gonna throw utter shit at you either way.
I genuiely couldnt give a wank discussing this with you any further, its no use
Educate yourself on the topic, then holla at me.
Ignorant.

Someone's angry because they don't have anything to counter with other than insults
Bye

[jammy]

i havent all of the thread but can somone tell me does this thread or anyone have any info on the teachins of the nation of islam or the muslim commuinties?????

thiswould be helpful thanks