UFC 101

[TW89]

Clearly a touchy subject for Gustav lol

Chill man, moby was only jokin



And pb, you c*nt, it takes ages for this this page to load cos of all those damn gifs  :cursing:

[Gustav]

Clearly a touchy subject for Gustav lol

Chill man, moby was only jokin



And pb, you c*nt, it takes ages for this this page to load cos of all those damn gifs  :cursing:

lol, not because of moby, the fat bastard tj hook claimed me to leave this thread while he should have left forum long time ago

[TheGodEmperor]

tj hook: you're right about how the fight would be bad for ufc in the longterm. You're also right about how Silva would probably win, because I highly doubt that GSP can outstrike Silva. Even though GSP, pound for pound, has better ground game than Silva (there's not even an argument about that....GSP is a fucking monster on the ground), Silva is, I think, a little bit faster with his hands. That means that GSP will have to take down and outwrestle a guy who is naturally way heavier than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GSP is a walkaround 170, whereas Silva is a walkaround 205. Even if they both gain/lose the pounds, there's no way he can outmuscle Silva. Not when Silva could outmuscle Hendo. I don't care how much better a ground game GSP has (it's not that much better anyways), it's just no happening. That said, for some reason, I really wanna see it happen. That's all you really had to read into my comment up there.

Machida is a monster, and I love the fact that he's come out of a karate background. I also love that about GSP. Another thing: I doubt that Silva is the best Muay-Thai practitioner in the world. He's the best in UFC, and probably in organized MMA, but maybe not in the world.

About the Muhammad Ali thing: There's no doubt who's the greater man: Ali.

But if they ever fought in each of their primes, Silva would break him. Why? Silva has a sick ground game. Ali had none. Silva can kick. Ali couldn't. Silva has those wicked muaythai elbows...ali didn't (see that reverse elbow Silva did a while back...it may have been on hendo)

[TJ Hooker]

tj hook: you're right about how the fight would be bad for ufc in the longterm. You're also right about how Silva would probably win, because I highly doubt that GSP can outstrike Silva. Even though GSP, pound for pound, has better ground game than Silva (there's not even an argument about that....GSP is a fucking monster on the ground), Silva is, I think, a little bit faster with his hands. That means that GSP will have to take down and outwrestle a guy who is naturally way heavier than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GSP is a walkaround 170, whereas Silva is a walkaround 205. Even if they both gain/lose the pounds, there's no way he can outmuscle Silva. Not when Silva could outmuscle Hendo. I don't care how much better a ground game GSP has (it's not that much better anyways), it's just no happening. That said, for some reason, I really wanna see it happen. That's all you really had to read into my comment up there.

Machida is a monster, and I love the fact that he's come out of a karate background. I also love that about GSP. Another thing: I doubt that Silva is the best Muay-Thai practitioner in the world. He's the best in UFC, and probably in organized MMA, but maybe not in the world.

About the Muhammad Ali thing: There's no doubt who's the greater man: Ali.

But if they ever fought in each of their primes, Silva would break him. Why? Silva has a sick ground game. Ali had none. Silva can kick. Ali couldn't. Silva has those wicked muaythai elbows...ali didn't (see that reverse elbow Silva did a while back...it may have been on hendo)

Ok, NOW you are talking sensibly. You are absolutely right. GSP does have the best ground game in the UFC. He is not even a wrestler, and made Matt Hughes, and other division I champs look like total rookies. Who else has taken BJ Penn down with such ease? No one. Statistics show that BJ Penn has one of the best take down defences in the UFC. GSP shitted on that statistic and didn't care. However, as much as I love GSP (he is my favorite fighter), I do not want to see him lose against Silva, which would happen-- and I think it would be fairly easy too. GSP deserves his title of dominace as he is exhibiting in the welterweight weight class, and why would we tarnish that by making him move up? Same thing happned to Penn; He moved up, got destroyed, and it hurt his reputation badly. No one likes watching their hero dismantled.

As for Machida, I would bet my house that he would win against Silva. Name me one flaw in Machida's game. He is the most elusive fighter in UFC history. Silva has some flaws being that while he is a BJJ black belt, he has been known to have average GnP defence, which correct me if I am wrong, Travis Lutter (can't remember) exposed, as well as Hendo a little bit. His greco-roman backround definitely helps, and I bet that knockout on Bisping is fresh in everyone's mind.

As for Silva's walking around weight, no he is not a 205'er, he just put on that weight (if you notice he was not ripped as usual), because simply, no one is touching him at the middleweight level, or so he felt.


As for Gustav--Come on pal, I thought you were worth debating. Moby never said "Just like", he said like, and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home. Maybe for Christmas I'll buy a new brain. Except not for me--I like to give to the needy. I'll FedEx it to you.

[Gustav]

As for Gustav--Come on pal, I thought you were worth debating. Moby never said "Just like", he said like, and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home. Maybe for Christmas I'll buy a new brain. Except not for me--I like to give to the needy. I'll FedEx it to you

he said : He'S like

I know what he meant, but I still wanted to say that he isnt like him, cause he isnt, not even close, he is a prick compared to him.. then you come, the big fool and try to make me a fool. Then I need to proof for you what I mean... ..Your think i take up stupid arguments and what he did outside the ring has nothing to do with it, when it is just showing how much bigger he is than Silva,  .... I was just pointing out that he is nothing compared to him, then you start to go mental and asks me to leave this thread

[TheGodEmperor]

tj hook: you're right about how the fight would be bad for ufc in the longterm. You're also right about how Silva would probably win, because I highly doubt that GSP can outstrike Silva. Even though GSP, pound for pound, has better ground game than Silva (there's not even an argument about that....GSP is a fucking monster on the ground), Silva is, I think, a little bit faster with his hands. That means that GSP will have to take down and outwrestle a guy who is naturally way heavier than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GSP is a walkaround 170, whereas Silva is a walkaround 205. Even if they both gain/lose the pounds, there's no way he can outmuscle Silva. Not when Silva could outmuscle Hendo. I don't care how much better a ground game GSP has (it's not that much better anyways), it's just no happening. That said, for some reason, I really wanna see it happen. That's all you really had to read into my comment up there.

Machida is a monster, and I love the fact that he's come out of a karate background. I also love that about GSP. Another thing: I doubt that Silva is the best Muay-Thai practitioner in the world. He's the best in UFC, and probably in organized MMA, but maybe not in the world.

About the Muhammad Ali thing: There's no doubt who's the greater man: Ali.

But if they ever fought in each of their primes, Silva would break him. Why? Silva has a sick ground game. Ali had none. Silva can kick. Ali couldn't. Silva has those wicked muaythai elbows...ali didn't (see that reverse elbow Silva did a while back...it may have been on hendo)

Ok, NOW you are talking sensibly. You are absolutely right. GSP does have the best ground game in the UFC. He is not even a wrestler, and made Matt Hughes, and other division I champs look like total rookies. Who else has taken BJ Penn down with such ease? No one. Statistics show that BJ Penn has one of the best take down defences in the UFC. GSP shitted on that statistic and didn't care. However, as much as I love GSP (he is my favorite fighter), I do not want to see him lose against Silva, which would happen-- and I think it would be fairly easy too. GSP deserves his title of dominace as he is exhibiting in the welterweight weight class, and why would we tarnish that by making him move up? Same thing happned to Penn; He moved up, got destroyed, and it hurt his reputation badly. No one likes watching their hero dismantled.

As for Machida, I would bet my house that he would win against Silva. Name me one flaw in Machida's game. He is the most elusive fighter in UFC history. Silva has some flaws being that while he is a BJJ black belt, he has been known to have average GnP defence, which correct me if I am wrong, Travis Lutter (can't remember) exposed, as well as Hendo a little bit. His greco-roman backround definitely helps, and I bet that knockout on Bisping is fresh in everyone's mind.

As for Silva's walking around weight, no he is not a 205'er, he just put on that weight (if you notice he was not ripped as usual), because simply, no one is touching him at the middleweight level, or so he felt.


As for Gustav--Come on pal, I thought you were worth debating. Moby never said "Just like", he said like, and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home. Maybe for Christmas I'll buy a new brain. Except not for me--I like to give to the needy. I'll FedEx it to you.

yeah GSP practices with the Canadian national wrestling team, and I hear that he is a black belt in bjj as well. GSP is also my favorite fighter haha. But he'd get bodied by Silva, just because of size difference. And yeah, Machida is fucking awesome. He's an example of why karate doesn't have to be a flop. Which makes me happy because I am a fairly serious student of karate. The elusiveness comes from that, I think. Defense in karate is very highly developed...the hand defence is almost as complex as wing chun, but more practical, and it's very moblie, involving tons of dodging and sweep defence. Which is why fighters like Machida and GSP are so hard to touch.

Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage vs Silva, though. Honestly, GSP style cut-ins would work better on Silva than pure wrestling, because pound for pound, silva is freaky strong. If GSP were the same weight as Silva, I'd give them at least even chances, because if GSP could get by Silva's hands, it would be rape.

I think a machida v silva fight would be a hell of a matchup...I'd be pumped as shit.

[TJ Hooker]

As for Gustav--Come on pal, I thought you were worth debating. Moby never said "Just like", he said like, and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home. Maybe for Christmas I'll buy a new brain. Except not for me--I like to give to the needy. I'll FedEx it to you

he said : He'S like

I know what he meant, but I still wanted to say that he isnt like him, cause he isnt, not even close, he is a prick compared to him.. then you come, the big fool and try to make me a fool. Then I need to proof for you what I mean... ..Your think i take up stupid arguments and what he did outside the ring has nothing to do with it, when it is just showing how much bigger he is than Silva,  .... I was just pointing out that he is nothing compared to him, then you start to go mental and asks me to leave this thread

Whattttt the fuck did you just say? Hmmmm... I re read it a couple times, and all I got from it was a play-by-play of what happened. Good Job :thumbsup: I assume English is not your native tongue so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.....Alright, I gave it. Your still a moron.

yeah GSP practices with the Canadian national wrestling team, and I hear that he is a black belt in bjj as well. GSP is also my favorite fighter haha. But he'd get bodied by Silva, just because of size difference. And yeah, Machida is fucking awesome. He's an example of why karate doesn't have to be a flop. Which makes me happy because I am a fairly serious student of karate. The elusiveness comes from that, I think. Defense in karate is very highly developed...the hand defence is almost as complex as wing chun, but more practical, and it's very moblie, involving tons of dodging and sweep defence. Which is why fighters like Machida and GSP are so hard to touch.

Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage vs Silva, though. Honestly, GSP style cut-ins would work better on Silva than pure wrestling, because pound for pound, silva is freaky strong. If GSP were the same weight as Silva, I'd give them at least even chances, because if GSP could get by Silva's hands, it would be rape.

I think a machida v silva fight would be a hell of a matchup...I'd be pumped as shit.

GSP is perfect--At his weight class. No more, no less to be said to that. The reason he is so effective is because for his size, he has the strength of someone at 205, almost as if he is bigger than his opponents, but he really isn't. He has 2 blackbelts-- one in karate and one in bjj, best wrestling in the UFC statistically and visually, and his striking is just plain dirty. Maybe he should move up a class though, just so he can have some decent competition. No one can move up from lightweight and beat him, as BJ Penn who is the best at that division tried to prove, and he ended up getting tooled.

You think Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage? Hmmm... why? I thought it helped him because of the ability to control then upper body where if your fighting Anderson Silva, that needs to be your game plan so you don't get KO'ed.


On a seperate note, since we are talking about UFC 101, who else was quite disappointed in Ken Flo's gameplan of just trying to gas Penn out? Digging your shoulder into a guy for three rounds is pathetic and immediately showed he was not in the same class as Penn. As much as I wanted Penn to lose, I knew he wouldn't. I am glad Penn didn't bring up anymore bullshit about the vasoline in the previews though, and just admitted the loss was a massacre.

[TheGodEmperor]

As for Gustav--Come on pal, I thought you were worth debating. Moby never said "Just like", he said like, and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home. Maybe for Christmas I'll buy a new brain. Except not for me--I like to give to the needy. I'll FedEx it to you

he said : He'S like

I know what he meant, but I still wanted to say that he isnt like him, cause he isnt, not even close, he is a prick compared to him.. then you come, the big fool and try to make me a fool. Then I need to proof for you what I mean... ..Your think i take up stupid arguments and what he did outside the ring has nothing to do with it, when it is just showing how much bigger he is than Silva,  .... I was just pointing out that he is nothing compared to him, then you start to go mental and asks me to leave this thread

Whattttt the fuck did you just say? Hmmmm... I re read it a couple times, and all I got from it was a play-by-play of what happened. Good Job :thumbsup: I assume English is not your native tongue so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.....Alright, I gave it. Your still a moron.

yeah GSP practices with the Canadian national wrestling team, and I hear that he is a black belt in bjj as well. GSP is also my favorite fighter haha. But he'd get bodied by Silva, just because of size difference. And yeah, Machida is fucking awesome. He's an example of why karate doesn't have to be a flop. Which makes me happy because I am a fairly serious student of karate. The elusiveness comes from that, I think. Defense in karate is very highly developed...the hand defence is almost as complex as wing chun, but more practical, and it's very moblie, involving tons of dodging and sweep defence. Which is why fighters like Machida and GSP are so hard to touch.

Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage vs Silva, though. Honestly, GSP style cut-ins would work better on Silva than pure wrestling, because pound for pound, silva is freaky strong. If GSP were the same weight as Silva, I'd give them at least even chances, because if GSP could get by Silva's hands, it would be rape.

I think a machida v silva fight would be a hell of a matchup...I'd be pumped as shit.

GSP is perfect--At his weight class. No more, no less to be said to that. The reason he is so effective is because for his size, he has the strength of someone at 205, almost as if he is bigger than his opponents, but he really isn't. He has 2 blackbelts-- one in karate and one in bjj, best wrestling in the UFC statistically and visually, and his striking is just plain dirty. Maybe he should move up a class though, just so he can have some decent competition. No one can move up from lightweight and beat him, as BJ Penn who is the best at that division tried to prove, and he ended up getting tooled.

You think Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage? Hmmm... why? I thought it helped him because of the ability to control then upper body where if your fighting Anderson Silva, that needs to be your game plan so you don't get KO'ed.


On a seperate note, since we are talking about UFC 101, who else was quite disappointed in Ken Flo's gameplan of just trying to gas Penn out? Digging your shoulder into a guy for three rounds is pathetic and immediately showed he was not in the same class as Penn. As much as I wanted Penn to lose, I knew he wouldn't. I am glad Penn didn't bring up anymore bullshit about the vasoline in the previews though, and just admitted the loss was a massacre.

I would say GSP's strength (at his natural 170) is a strong 185...205 is just too heavy. And yeah his striking is dirty....and I love it because it's really karate-influenced haha. Yeah I think GSP should move up to 185 if he can, as long as Silva doesn't move down he'll do really well.

If Hedo were stronger than Silva his greco-roman would put him at an advantage...but that's not the case because Silva is scarily strong. There needs to be more of a mix. Remember that Silva is excellent at bjj...so you need the kind of lethal mix that only GSP has.

[TheGodEmperor]

I was just watching some machida fights in detail...like over and over again analyzing his movement.

With his striking and blocking style, he could be part of my dojo. His blocking is in the exact open-hand style that mine is, and his roundhouse kicks are the same. His punches and sweeps are fairly similar as well.

But the way he turns off techniques is the most striking think. He is very subtle about it, and dodges away from his block so that the strike is thrown by his body. But instead of standing his ground, he puts a technique in, then turns off. The guy is like a 50 times better version of me (minus the grappling...I have no ground game...I can take down, but that's it...I'm not taught to grapple...take down and get out). The man is a beast and I'll be analyzing his fights nonstop to improve my own technique.

Machida is awesome.

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GSP does have the best ground game in the UFC

i wouldn't go that far (not to take away from gsp)

Matt Hughes, and other division I champs look like total rookies

matt hughes was not a d1 champ. in fact, i can't remember a d1 champ that gsp has faced (not to take away from gsp)

Who else has taken BJ Penn down with such ease? No one. Statistics show that BJ Penn has one of the best take down defences in the UFC

bj could deal w/the skill level of gsp. bj can't deal w/the size of gsp. bj just doesn't give a fuck. he will fight anyone, anywhere. fuck, he fought lyoto machida in hero's (not to take away from gsp)

i think that they are both incredible fighters. i just think that gsp - bj penn is what you get when you take two equally excellent fighters and super-size one. it's a shame that fights like this will ultimately tarnish bj's reputation in some people's eyes

As for Machida, I would bet my house that he would win against Silva

not that i think they'll ever fight, but that would be the most retarded fight in history. they'll just run around in a circle for 25 minutes. i can get that by watching adriano and ronaldinho play together for brazil

Travis Lutter (can't remember) exposed, as well as Hendo a little bit.

it was travis lutter. henderson-silva r1 is essentially the blue print for fighting anderson silva

I bet that knockout on Bisping is fresh in everyone's mind.

circle left, circle left, ktfo

As for Silva's walking around weight, no he is not a 205'er, he just put on that weight (if you notice he was not ripped as usual), because simply, no one is touching him at the middleweight level, or so he felt.

anderson is a very big 185. he obviously has made the transition to 205 very well. he has the power to compete. he may as well be a lhw

Hendo's greco-roman put him at a disadvantage vs Silva, though.

did you watch round one?

On a seperate note, since we are talking about UFC 101, who else was quite disappointed in Ken Flo's gameplan of just trying to gas Penn out? Digging your shoulder into a guy for three rounds is pathetic and immediately showed he was not in the same class as Penn. As much as I wanted Penn to lose, I knew he wouldn't. I am glad Penn didn't bring up anymore bullshit about the vasoline in the previews though, and just admitted the loss was a massacre.

the ufc's lightweight division is about as interesting as the ufc's welterweight division

[moby]

and if you notice, there are gifs (moving graphics--o0o0o imagine that?) of Silva knocking someone out, not serving soup in a shelter home.

OMG hahhahahahahahahahhaha i never laughed that hard on BF. lol









listen Boxing and MMA are totaly different sports, if you take ali in the cage he will lose, if you take silva in the ring he will lose.

and what i meant is how Silva was dodging those punches exactly like muhammad ali, Ofcourse Muhammad Ali is the greatest in boxing and i dont really know much about MMA but Silva might become the greatest in MMA. they are two totally different things.

[TheGodEmperor]

@the machida vs silva thing:
who the fuck cares? It would be a technically interesting fight, because weeing how Machida would deal with Silva's explosiveness would be illuminating. To be honest, I doubt Silva would be able to touch him, but then I doubt Machida could land much either. It would be a great fight if you're watching it as a martial artist...if you're watching for entertainment, then yeah it would be boring. Personally, it's the fight I'd most like to see right now, and it would totally teach the world something about karate. Silva is slow on his kick pullbacks (because he does muay thai, where you bring your weight around more dramatically, thereby making for a slower kick), and you can trust Machida to take advantage of that. Also, the way Silva commits on his kicks is good for Machida and bad for Silva...Machida has the best lateral movement in the ufc, and wicked openhand blocking, so he will take advantage of the way Silva commits, probably dodge and slip in a left a few times.

See the first takedown in this fight to get what I mean...his legs are like fucking logs, but the pullback isn't as snappy as a karate or tkd style kick:

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All that said, I think Silva has the edge on the ground, so Machida would need to land something and take him down (best bet the way I see it is dodge-left-either takedown or sweep) a la GSP (except more indirectly o the strike). But pulling that off is a bitch vs. Silva. Hard fight to call, but I'd give Machida the overall edge.