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This is the La Liga thread
post pre, live and post game action
Madrid 4 life
we flying high
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=ESP.1&cc=3436
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I hope Madrid stay on top of that table till the end of the season ^-^.
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madrid for lyf3
barca are falling behind, espanyol are doing suprisingly well. i am disappointed in sevilla
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Madrid Madrid Madrid!
:3some:
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Saturday, December 22, 2007
Almeria v Getafe
Real Zaragoza v Valencia
FC Sevilla v Racing Santander
Sunday, December 23, 2007
Atlético Madrid v Espanyol
Levante v Deportivo La Coruña
Osasuna v Mallorca
Valladolid v Real Betis
Villarreal v Recreativo Huelva
Barcelona v Real Madrid
Athletic Bilbao v Murcia
Braca V Madrid what a match that will be as usual Madrid will run out 3 - 1 winners
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Yeah, Madrid will take it no problem, 3-1 seems acurate.
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Viva la barca! :thumbsup: I think they will make it next season :santa:
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madrid will surly win
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I'm pissed that Barca will be without Messi. That's a huge hit right before a very important match. Let's just hope we get to see a good game. A 3-2 match wouldn't be bad.
:popcorn:
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dont worry adi. barca have eto'o and he is in great form. but no matter who you have they wont go past the madrid defence
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Good point. And it's not like they can't replace Messi with some of the other great players sitting on the bench (Dos Santos, Bojan, Ronaldinho, Iniesta). :saywhat:
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Exactly. Barcelona has amazing depth.
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Ronny set to warm Barca's bench for 'el clasico'
Barcelona's Brazilian talisman Ronaldinho is set to start on the bench for tomorrow night's super-charged 'clasico' with bitter rivals Real Madrid.
The Catalan giants will be without the injured Lionel Messi for the top-of-the-table showdown, and coach Frank Rijkaard also looks set to leave out Ronaldinho on the bench after the pair exchanged strong words in training yesterday.
If the Brazilian is indeed left out, Rijkaard will hand a starting berth in the game known in Spain as 'el clasico' to young Mexico forward Giovani Dos Santos, who impressed as a substitute in last week's 3-0 win at Valencia.
As well as Ronaldinho, Deco also looks set to start on the bench, but Thierry Henry returns from injury and could play.
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Go real madrid, kick there ass this time not draw with em :rockit:
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HALA MADRID.
I'm predicting 1-0 Real Madrid win. Barca isn't comparing to Real this season, even with Messi in sizzling form. Eto'o is back, however, so it may be down to the wire again this season.
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FC Sevilla 4-1 Racing Santander
Almeria 0-2 Getafe
Real Zaragoza 2-2 Valencia
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Real madrid vs Barcelona that game is ganna be siick, starting in 3 hours :popcorn:
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Whoo baby.
1-0 Real Madrid, final.
Baptista scores a beauty in the first half after some nice link ups with Ruud. Watch Robinho throughout this game, he truley is a magician. Puyol got schooled by him the whole game. Barca is a bunch of clowns :teeth:
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HALA MADRID.
I'm predicting 1-0 Real Madrid win. Barca isn't comparing to Real this season, even with Messi in sizzling form. Eto'o is back, however, so it may be down to the wire again this season.
You were right. :lol:
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It was a reasonable prediction. Real Madrid is on another level this year. Barca looked slow and sluggish, and hessitated to attack. Baptista played the best game i've seen from him in a while, he broke Barca's midfield several times.
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Real madrid ripped Barcelona sideways, but Barcelona had much more possesion useless :dontknow:
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I expected a much better game from both teams. Great goal for Madrid but the overall game just wasn't as good as it's been over the past few years.
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Real madrid champions. real beat barca inter beat milan today is the best day of my life. O0
:banana:
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Barca need to go on a winning streak if they are to get up to Real madrid :)
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well yusaf that wont happen. will it?
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well yusaf that wont happen. will it?
No way Moby lol, im certain it wont ;)
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I expected a much better game from both teams. Great goal for Madrid but the overall game just wasn't as good as it's been over the past few years.
sorry to go off-topic but i have to say nice avatar Adi
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sorry i wasn't here , BUT madrid is great:) thx god they are playing nice. I cant wait to see roma defeated:D did you know that madrid players will get a 900 000euro bonus/player if they can win the league, the champions league and copa del rey? i know its not much for them, but its a nice sum of money:D
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Money shouldn't make a player want to win. I promise you that a player like Raul would take no salary and still play.
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i didnt say they only do it for that. i dont think some really poor guys do it for that, they just simply have nothing else to do. sons of millionairs dont do it for money. they do it because they can. raul doesnt play for money. he just dont need it. he has enough i think:D but what can they promise them for winning??heh? and i just wanted to share this news with you.
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I expected a much better game from both teams. Great goal for Madrid but the overall game just wasn't as good as it's been over the past few years.
This one maybe O0 :santa: --> feature=related
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Money shouldn't make a player want to win. I promise you that a player like Raul would take no salary and still play.
Maybe it shouldn't but it does. Not all players, but many are inspired by collective win bonuses.
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while Joe McKnight, who came to Los Angeles from River Ridge, La., last year, ran for 125 yards and one touchdown.
While Booty closed the chapter on his roller-coaster career at USC, McKnight gave the country a glimpse of what it can expect to see the next two years. If his eye black is any indication, he probably won't be around after that.
"I'm trying to get money," said McKnight, pointing at his eye black, which had "I need" under the left eye and "$" under the right one. "I'm trying to get to the league. I'm just a poor college student from New Orleans right now."
Good illustration of "playing for money (and its motivational aspect)."
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player bouneses really encourage a player to play better i think. i know it would help me. but on the other hand it could make him lose concentration
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Saturday 5th of january
Predictions
Mallorca 2 - 4 Barcelona
Espanyol 3 - 2 Villareal
Sunday 6th of january
Predictions
Deportivo 2 - 1 Atl Madrid
Getafe 3- 0 Valladolid
Murcia 1 - 0 Osasuna
R. Huelva 2 - 2 Almeria
Racing 1 - 2 Ath Bilbao
Real Madrid 4 - 1 Real Zaragoza
Seville 3 - 1 RealBetis
Valencia 5 - 0 Levante
:thumbsup: :hello:
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Zaragoza is always a tough team to beat. Should be a one goal game.
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Yeah true that elite, but i guess real will own em bad, atleast get 2-3 goals vs them :bowdown:
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hope so. hala madrid.
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La Liga's winter break was pretty damn short. At least compared to the one of Germany.
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it was short...in Hungary the winter break is about more than 2 months long :( pathetic :(
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Barcelona bounced back and won 1-0 today. The absence of Ronaldinho and Messi was felt though.
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this is my thread its about time i start posting some scores and fixtures :)
RESULTS:
Saturday, January 5, 2008
Final Mallorca 0 - 2 Barcelona Estadio Son Moix
Final Espanyol 3 - 0 Villarreal Estadio Olimpico de Montjuic
TONIGHTS FIXTURES:
Sunday, January 6, 2008
Deportivo La Coruña v Atlético Madrid Estadio Riazor
Getafe v Valladolid Coliseum Alfonso Perez
Murcia v Osasuna La Condomina
Racing Santander v Athletic Bilbao Estadio El Sardinero
Recreativo Huelva v Almeria Estadio Nuevo Colombino
Valencia v Levante Estadio Mestalla
Real Madrid v Real Zaragoza Estadio Santiago Bernabéu
FC Sevilla v Real Betis Estadio Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan
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Real Madrid 2-0 Zaragoza. HALA MADRID
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Robinho, Robinho, Robinho.
Sets up Ruud beautifully with the cross, and then scores the second. It was a good performance, and good pace for the Spanish CHAMPIONS.
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Sunday, January 6, 2008
STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY VENUE (ATT.)
Final Deportivo La Coruña 0 - 3 Atlético Madrid Estadio Riazor
Final Getafe 0 - 3 Valladolid Coliseum Alfonso Perez
Final Murcia 2 - 0 Osasuna La Condomina
Final Racing Santander 1 - 0 Athletic Bilbao Estadio El Sardinero
Final Recreativo Huelva 1 - 1 Almeria Estadio Nuevo Colombino
Final Valencia 0 - 0 Levante Estadio Mestalla
Final Real Madrid 2 - 0 Real Zaragoza Estadio Santiago Bernabéu
Final FC Sevilla 3 - 0 Real Betis Estadio Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan
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Nice to see Sevilla winning again and climbing up the table.
Valencia on the other hand... :boxing:
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i am shocked at the result that Valencia have been having i doubt that Villa will stay
he might go to Chelsea seeing that there have been rumors of Drogba going to Ac at the end of the season :dontknow:
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barca havent been showing good signs this year. on the other hand madrid are doing nicly. van nistelrooy is in top form so is robinho. i like the way the new coach is playing him more. he will definetly be the one to watch in 08 i think
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he has dedicated his goal to his new-born :bowdown:
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:bowdown: do you think that made him play better
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motivation :thumbsup:
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I can't believe Atletico beat us, this is the first time they claimed points at our home since 99. This result leaves Depo second from bottom. In other news its being rumored we singed Marcio Sousa a promising Portuguese talent.
Sousa, 21, currently plays for UD Rio Maior in the third group of the Portuguese second division and the midfielder has impressed watching scouts with his performances in recent times, especially in Rio Maior's Portuguese cup tie with Fátima, where he was said to have performed excellently.
He will travel to La Coruña on Monday to finalise the details of his contract and undergo a medical. It it thought he will start off in Deportivo's B team before making the transition to the first team and Sousa himself is content to follow this route.
"In the beginning I believe that I will be with the B team," he told A Bola
"But I am ready to be part of the first-team."
He first came to prominence in the 2003 U17 European Championship where he was a key part of the Portugal side that progressed to the final of the competition against Spain.
In the final, he gave his side the lead with a spectacular dipping volley after twenty-one minutes, only for his effort to be cancelled out by Spain just after the break. However, Sousa had the last laugh, scoring a stunning free-kick from the right, which gave Portugal a 2-1 victory and with it the European Championship trophy.
Sousa also played in the U17 World Cup later that same year and scored twice in the group stages before Portugal fell to the Spanish at the quarter final stage.
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La Liga Preview: Round 19
Barcelona - Real Murcia
After a spirited 1-1 draw at Sevilla midweek in the Copa, Barcelona will look to make it two Liga wins in a row against Murcia.
It's been three seasons since the two met in league competition - much has changed since then, of course, but the blaugrana will look back on 3-0 and 0-2 wins with fondness.
This time, though, there are problems. Yaya Toure is away on African Cup duty, and Edmilson is injured, leaving a gap in the defensive midfield. At least Samuel Eto'o remains to take part in his last game before jetting off to join the Cameroon squad.
The Pimentoneros, meanwhile, take taken seven points from a possible nine in the last three league fixtures, and with no cup duty midweek, they're rested for this one.
Athletic Bilbao - Sevilla
Athletic managed a home draw with Espanyol to match Sevilla's 1-1 tie with Barcelona, but the pressure's still on in the Liga.
The San Mames crowd may be one of the Liga's more voiciferous, but it hasn't much helped the Lions up the table. Indeed, they sit just one point off the relegation zone with only one home win all season.
However, they've drawn six of those games - something that the free-scoring visitors will want to avoi. A win here, and defeat for Racing, will put them in the UEFA Cup zone as they look to continue their revival.
Real Betis - Getafe
Betis lost out 2-1 at home to Valencia midweek, but Mariano Pavone's goalscoring will at least raise the spirits somewhat ahead of this bottom-half meeting. The verdiblancos have 18 points from 18 games and sit 18th, three behind the Azulones.
Getafe, for their part, thrashed Levante 3-0 in the Copa, but have managed just one win in the last four in the Liga. They appear to be slipping back into their early-season ways, and the rot must be stopped.
Oscar Ustari may earn a rare Liga start - he held his own against the granota, and given the errors that dogged Pato Abbondanzieri in last week's 3-0 loss to Valladolid, coach Laudrup may feel that it's time for a change.
Real Valladolid - Recreativo Huelva
Valladolid were lucky to escape the Vicente Calderon midweek with a 0-0 draw against Atletico Madrid, but they won't complain with that result.
Indeed, the capital's been a happy hunting ground of late, with the Pucela inflicting a 3-0 thrashing on Getafe at the weekend just past.
Recre, meanwhile, edged Villarreal 1-0 midweek to take an advantage in the Copa del Rey. They've also gone five games unbeaten in the Liga, and while the paucity of strikers' goals is an issue, it's a good time to be a Decano fan.
Almeria - Espanyol
Almeria are out of the Copa, but they've had a busy week. Landing Brazilian duo Iriney and Guilherme, it's clear to see that the Andalucian club are determined to pull clear of the relegation zone.
But on-form Espanyol will not come to the Mediterraneo to look for the draw. After a tie at Athletic, it's time to get back to Liga form.
The Perequitos lie just one point behind FC Barcelona and could thus potentially finish the afternoon in second place. With a mere two defeats so far, coach Valverde and his men are much in demand, too.
Villarreal - Deportivo La Coruna
Villarreal boss Manuel Pellegrini, meanwhile, is having a tough time of it. That loss to Recre in the Copa characterises what has been a poor festive season for the Yellow Submarine.
In the Liga, Villarreal have won just twice in their last seven, and now sit two points outside the Champions League spots - a far cry from a team that was so close to topping the table not so long ago.
Still, Depor would love to be in such a position. They're out of the cup and floundering in the Liga, sitting second last. Only a major turnaround can save them now, and to this end coach Lotina is looking at the transfer market. But are the funds there?
Real Zaragoza - Real Mallorca
Zaragoza's 1-1 draw with Racing in the Cup was hardly ideal, but at least it showed that Ricardo Oliveira's still scoring goals. He'll need to do so again as Mallorca come calling.
Amazing, the blanquillos remain top half - albeit only just - while the islanders sit below them on mere goal difference.
Real Mallorca once again proved themselves apt to put goals past Madrid - albeit a rotated Madrid at that. Still, a 2-1 first leg Copa del Rey result cannot be sniffed at, and that'll raise confidence after what has been a difficult time in the Liga of late.
Osasuna - Racing Santander
Eliminated Osasuna have only the Liga to count on after their cup misadventures, and it's high time that they started taking the main competition seriously.
The Pamplonans have, however, won just one of their last eight meetings with Racing in the Liga, while the Cantabrians emerged victorious by a goal to nil in each game last season.
A similar result here would see coach Marcelino's men cement their UEFA Cup credentials.
Levante - Real Madrid
Levante players - unpaid, 3-0 down on aggregate in the Copa, bereft of a goodly proportion of their early-season teammates due to contractual disputes - may as well not show up for this one.
At least, that's what the form books say. The granota side still have just eight points to show for their work so far, while Real Madrid are surging ahead with 44.
But stranger things have happened, and in the last Liga game, Levante did manage a draw away from home against the might of Valencia.
Madrid, meanwhile, are still going great guns in the league, in terms of points, at least. Their 2-0 win over Zaragoza was perhaps ill-deserved, though, so karma enthusiasts will have enjoyed that 2-1 loss at Mallorca midweek.
However, that was the product of a heavily rotated side, and they still secured an away goal, so clearly all is not lost for Bernd Schuster's men. Now, will Levante face the backlash?
Atletico Madrid - Valencia
Atleti wasted a boatload of chances as they drew 0-0 with Valladolid midweek, but that's always a risk ran by a rotated side. This time around, they'll look to punish the team whose last-season fourth place they currently occupy.
Los Che arrive having won 2-1 in the Copa themselves midweek, but that victory over Betis masks the problems in the league. Valencia may be firmly top half, but they are sinking, and this is not an easy ground at which to turn around a slide.
Still, Joaquin appears to be back on form, and with Simao and Maxi being rested for the hosts, this ought to be a game full of action on the wings.
www.goal.com
i'll post preview every week :popcorn:
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cool :thumbsup:
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Saturday 12
Barcelona 4-0 Murcia
Athletic Bilbao 2-0 FC Sevilla
Sunday 13
Atlético Madrid 1-0 Valencia
Levante 0-2 Real Madrid
Real Betis 3-2 Getafe
Osasuna 0-2 Racing Santander
Valladolid 3-1 Recreativo Huelva
Almeria 1-0 Espanyol
Villarreal 4-3 Deportivo La Coruña
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Nistelrooy was great. he deserves having his contract renewed.
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Nistelrooy was great. he deserves having his contract renewed.
he is in unbelievable form right now. sevilla slipped up against bibao suprisingly
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Real Madrid has not been looking very good since the break. To be honest, they've won a few games they probably shouldn't have. Hopefully Barca can catch up and make it interesting again.
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how dare yousay that adi. so you became a barca supporter now hey.
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Getafe CF - Sevilla FC
Getafe kick off the weekend having just defeated Levante over two legs in the Copa del Rey. Now, they meet last season's Copa final tormentors, Sevilla.
The Andalucians, themselves eliminated by Barcelona midweek, won this fixture 4-1 back in August. However, that match will be remembered not for its scoreline, but the collapse and eventual tragic death of Antonio Puerta.
Coach Manolo Jimenez's men will seek to do his memory proud at the Coliseum, but they'll do well to remember that they have never won - nor even scored - at this stadium on Liga duty.
Villarreal CF - Valencia CF
Perhaps the most eventful game of Matchday 1, Villarreal enjoyed a fine 3-0 win at Valencia to kickstart their tremendous opening stage to the season, and throw Quique Sanchez Flores' job into jeopardy.
The Valencia coach eventually left, of course, but his replacement has found it little easier. Ronald Koeman's side are going great guns in the Copa, but they're still without a Liga win since November 10th. What's more, the injury situation at the Mestalla isn't getting any better anytime soon.
Villarreal, however, have their own problems. The Yellow Submarine have slipped out of the top four and are suffering from inconsistent performances in all areas of the pitch.
Things could be better for both sides: the hosts are favourites, but they cannot take this game lightly.
CA Osasuna - Athletic Club
Two relegation strugglers come head to head in what is a pseudo-local derby in Pamplona.
The last game ended in a stalemate, but Athletic - who have hit something resembling form of late - will be out for victory.
They edged past Espanyol on penalties in the Copa midweek while Osasuna, who were long since eliminated, no doubt watched in trepidation.
The misfiring rojillo side are on a terrible run, losing their last two Liga games and winning just once in the last six. Coach Ziganda is under pressure, but a result here could save his skin - and move his team out of the relegation zone.
Real Zaragoza - Real Murcia
One boss who couldn't hold onto his job was Zaragoza's Victor Fernandez. He's gone, but the team's problems remain. New coach Ander Garitano watched his side lose out 4-2 in the Copa at Racing, ending their chances of silverware in 2008.
Now, though, comes a great chance to seal their first Liga win since October as Murcia come calling.
The Pimentoneros are level on points with their hosts, but have won five of the last Romareda encounters between these teams in the top flight.
Levante UD - RCD Mallorca
Hapless Levante mixed youth with experience midweek, yet still fell to a 1-0 loss at home to Getafe. Now comes the near-impossible task of saving themselves from relegation.
The cash-strapped Valencians are a mammoth 13 points off safety and still in single figures. Whether or not coach De Biasi can muster his meager resources and overcome the deficit is looking increasingly unlikely.
Mallorca, meanwhile, are on a high - but no doubt exhausted - after their midweek smash-and-grab win at the Bernabeu. They'll face Getafe in the next round of the Copa, but will be more immediately concerned with climbing to the top half with a win here.
UD Almeria - Deportivo La Coruna
Almeria were given a warm welcome to La Liga by Depor back in August, with the A Coruna men being so good as to give their visitors a three goal victory at the Riazor.
Now, Depor are hell-bent on turning that around. Not just for reasons of revenge, but also survival. The stricken club sit second bottom of the table, four points off safety, after controversially losing out 4-3 to Villarreal in a penalty-laden game last week.
The Mediterraneo side, for their part, are performing admirably well in their first season in the top flight, sitting pretty in the upper half of the table and six points ahead of Depor.
Real Valladolid - RCD Espanyol
Valladolid look like the weakest of all the newly-promoted sides; ironically, they're also the ones to give the big guns the toughest games. The Pucela have come close to scalping both Real Madrid and Barcelona; now, Espanyol will underestimate them at their peril.
The Perequitos were shocked out of the Copa midweek by comeback kings Athletic, but remain strong in the Liga, sitting in the Champions League spots.
However, losing to Almeria last week in a terrible game was a hammer blow - that was the Montjuic men's first defeat since September.
Real Betis - Recreativo de Huelva
Betis overcame Getafe in a close, eventful game at the Ruiz de Lopera in the last round, and now must do the same if they're to avoid the kind of last-minute relegation dogfight that they were subjected to last season.
Chaparro appears to have the Beticos playing with heart, albeit maybe a bit too much - Xisco and Juanito are both out suspended as the disciplinary situation in Seville deteriorates.
Recre are out of the Copa and just one game above the safety zone - what's more, their striking problems have begun to resurface. They drew this fixture 1-1 earlier in the season - what they wouldn't give for a win now...
Club Atletico de Madrid - Real Madrid
Madrid are out of the Copa while city rivals Atletico edged past Valladolid. That will the vocal home support something to crow about at what will be a packed Vicente Calderon, but in truth all eyes are on the Liga side of things.
The blancos are still seven points clear at the top, having won their last six league games. Atleti, meanwhile, are looking good for a Champions League spot, but must beat the big guns.
They took a first minute lead in this fixture on Matchday 1, but went on to lose. We can only hope for a match as eventful as that one this time around.
FC Barcelona - Real Racing Club
Finally, Barcelona welcome the men from Santander as they aim to avenge that 0-0 draw earlier in the campaign.
The Blaugrana edged past Sevilla in the Copa del Rey midweek, further boosting spirits ahead of what should be a difficult game.
The verdiblancos have one of the best defensive records in the Liga, but will need to ensure that they're at their best to preserve it here. For Samuel Eto'o may be en route to Ghana, but Lionel Messi is back from injury and set to take part here.
Preview time :biggrin:
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Real Madrid has not been looking very good since the break. To be honest, they've won a few games they probably shouldn't have. Hopefully Barca can catch up and make it interesting again.
Adi...i can't believe u. Barca WON'T come closer.
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Real Madrid has not been looking very good since the break. To be honest, they've won a few games they probably shouldn't have. Hopefully Barca can catch up and make it interesting again.
Adi...i can't believe u. Barca WON'T come closer.
They have a slight chance Andrew, but i doubt they will, if Barcelona actually want a chance of catching up to real,
they gotta beat real in the bernabau(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared.gif) :banana:
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you never know they are looking a bit under par but hopefully the only leak will be against Roma :lol:
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thx yusaf. and tito i just can't wait to see the Roma match.
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me too
but the only difference is i won't walk away disappointed
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haha thats funny tito. i hope real wont chock in the last few games of the season like they always do
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no tito u wont be simply disappointed. u'll be humiliated with your Roma together. but to be fair good luck to roma. they'll need it :D
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they said you were funny but i didn't believe them till now
that was a good joke man :lol:
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Real Madrid is going to be hard to catch.
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Saturday, January 19, 2008
STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY VENUE (ATT.)
Final Getafe 3 - 2 FC Sevilla Coliseum Alfonso Perez
Final Villarreal 3 - 0 Valencia Estadio El Madrigal
Sunday, January 20, 2008
STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY VENUE (ATT.)
Final Almeria 1 - 0 Deportivo La Coruña Estadio Mediterraneo
Final Levante 2 - 2 Mallorca Ciudad de Valencia
Final Osasuna 2 - 0 Athletic Bilbao Estadio El Sadar
Final Real Betis 1 - 1 Recreativo Huelva Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera
Final Real Zaragoza 3 - 1 Murcia Estadio La Romareda
Final Valladolid 2 - 1 Espanyol Estadio Nuevo José Zorrilla
Final Atlético Madrid 0 - 2 Real Madrid Vicente Calderon
Final Barcelona 1 - 0 Racing Santander Estadio Camp Nou
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sevilla again lost this isn't good news for them. real madrid took the madrid derby pretty good match. barca should of have done better against santander
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Sevilla have been a little out of order since the departure of Juande Ramos but hopefully the return of Kanoute when ever that will be will strengthen them
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yeah. i was hoping for sevilla to come second behinde madrid and barca would be facing relegation
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Barcelona dropped points again by drawing 1-1. :down:
I'm watching the Madrid - Villareal game on delay and Madrid is up 3-2 in the 85th minute. Very good game to watch!
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every madrid game is good to watch :pimp:
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Yeah, got to love Sniejder coming in and scoring right after Villareal tie it up to wrap up the three points.
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How is Rossi playing so well in Spain after not even breaking out into a back-up role at Man U?
Also, when Rossi came to Dallas to play in a youth-tournament called the Dallas Cup, he was very average. He came with the Man U under-20 team and didn't even stand out. This was only 2 years ago.
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Did we sell him or is he on loan? Not completely sure.
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He was sold. Seems like Man U gets rid of some pretty damn good players. First it was Forlan, and now it's Rossi.
Madrid lost 2-0 today. About time. They have been pulling out a few results they probably shouldn't have over the last month. Casillas has been saving them and making them look extremely good. I don't think their performances were that good despite not being defeated in quite some time.
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A few upsets all-round.
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damn you adi. you barca loving fag :argue: jkz
i hope madrid can come back from this. they have a habit of dissapointing me
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ok i will not lie i cried to sleep last night because of the loss. ¡¡¡¡MARDIDDDD!!!! :'( :'(
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i feel your pain. cry on my shoulders young one
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I don't even love Barcelona. I just want a good race until the finish. If I had to chose Barca or Madrid though, I'd probably pick Barca. :biggrin:
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Real Madrid is beating the shit out of Valladolid. It is 5-0 at half time.
Raul (2), Baptista, Robben, Guti
Robinho went off with a weird injury in the 14th minute though..
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It ends 7-0. Drenthe and Guti with the last two goals.
HALA MADRID BITCHES
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¡¡¡¡¡HALA MADRID!!!!!!! :cheers:
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... and without Ruud.
Everyone looked so damn good out there. Guti was incredible.
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Guti really was great. This was also without Robinho..he went off after a few minutes. Robben pulled that game out of his ass.
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Aragones is such a shit :angry: Guti is not even on national team!!! :boxing: And Raúl!!!!
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yeah i hate that pisser too.
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sure aragones is an idiot. racist bastard as achmed would say:D:D HALA MADRID :cheers:
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sure aragones is an idiot. racist bastard as achmed would say:D:D HALA MADRID :cheers:
mi amooooo, madrid
i love your name!!! :cheers:
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Madrid just lost 2-1.
Barcelona plays soon. I hope they win so they can cut the lead a bit. It's not fun right now with the huge lead Madrid has.
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Screw Barcalona, they do not deserve to win the league. They made all of this hype about "Henry, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, and Messi" on the same team, and they've done shit about it. HALA MADRID
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¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????
Mi amoooooo :'(
Vamos a ganar, no te precupas..
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Screw Barcalona, they do not deserve to win the league. They made all of this hype about "Henry, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, and Messi" on the same team, and they've done shit about it. HALA MADRID
Yeah, it's true. They've underachieved so far.
Barca got quite lucky today to earn the full 3 points. Henry's goal was just as debatable as the penalty they got late in the game.
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Barça is shit club :hello:
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hopefully Reals poor form continues for just this mid-week :cheers: and the rerturn leg
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haha i hope real can bounce back from this defeat. totally agree ELITE. nobody can stop robinho, van nistelrooy,raul, robben and saviola
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Robinho will not be there against Roma
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What happened to him?
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i'll look into it cuz i saw it on ESPN presspass
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and saviola isn't playing against roma too. but real still have raul, van nistelrooy
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but they still lost 2 - 1 to the mighty Romans :thumbsup:
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at the stadio olimpico. what do you think will happen at the intimdating bernabue and madrid have the awaygoal advatage. one goal and roma is finished
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Yes Madrid will defeat Roma :thumbsup: easy
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thats what you said for the first leg
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Barca beat Levante today, 5-1. Eto'o had a hattrick, Ronaldinho is Ronaldinho again, and Messi scored a sick goal. Madrid is playing with Getafe right now. 3 points are a neccessity
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I watched the first half when Levante drew level I thought they had a chance but once Messi put Barca ahead again I knew it was over. Barca are beginning to look very dangerous again they are mighty in all departments watch out for them in the CL this year. Not many are taking them as a serious threat to win it.
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Eto'o is back and that's the reason why they are dangerous. The man is an incredible player. The link up between Barca's attacking players is becoming unstoppable.
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Fuck.
Real Madrid 0-1 Getafe
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at the stadio olimpico. what do you think will happen at the intimdating bernabue and madrid have the awaygoal advatage. one goal and roma is finished
Fuck.
Real Madrid 0-1 Getafe
not a home game i suppose :rolleyes:
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It was.
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Shieet. Deportivo La Coruña 2-0 Espanyol we still need to make up 3 points to get out of the drop zone another disappointing season at the bottom. :down: There is only one point separating Barca and Real at the top looks like its gonna be another interesting race.
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It was.
i was being sarcastic
and my sarcasm was directed to all those who believe Roma will lose the second leg of the champions league
btw the first was no upset
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Roma probably will lose.
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not with the form Real is in
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Look at Liverpool's win over Inter. You don't watch enough of this game. Form means nothing when it comes to the Champions League. You can not argue this fact.
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but i could argue that Inter were a man down :dontknow:
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Argue for Liverpools form in 2005. Argue for Liverpools form to reach the final of 2007. Argue for Arsenals form to reach the final in 2006 (a man down and 1-0 up until the 79th minute).
Roma could win this 12-0 for all we know. Madrid can win 4-0. It is pointless predicting these games.
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lets all predict inter to lose so inter can win 5-0 some how
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Madrid is ahead by 2 points. Barca cut that lead damn fast.
Like I was saying before, Madrid never played that well. They were able to get the full points in many games simply because Casillas pulled shit out of his ass. Madrid got the lucky pushes at times as well. I guess all I was trying to say was that Madrid wasn't as good as their 9 point lead made them out to be. It was very misleading if you actually looked at their games.
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¡¡¡¡HALA MADRID!!!
fuck barça :thumbsup: ¿¿the fantastic four?? :dontknow: :bs:
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haha go pakito. adi the results show the truth.
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Ronaldinho just scored a great goal, a bicycle kick. He seems to be coming back.
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Barcalona 2-4 Athletico Madrid
Real Madrid 3-2 Recreativo
Mmmm! HALA Madrid.
Robinho comes subbed in and scored 2, and the match winner :banana:
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¿Adi? :rolleyes:
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HALA MADRID!!!
you scared me ELITE when you said ronaldinhho scored a good goal i thought they won the match :boxing:
but they didn't :banana:
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Ronaldinho scored a nice goal. Turned something out of nothing. I think he was the only Barca player in the box too?
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Deportivo La Coruña 2 - 1 Sevilla FC
A big step towards avoiding relegation. :biggrin:
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sevilla have not been in good form for a long time a strig of defeats and in the CL too.
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Sevilla is a big dissappointment.
Sucks for Barca to lose that game after taking the lead with a sick goal.
Madrid is still not as good as most people think. Just look at their Champions League exit. If Barca wasn't throwing games away left and right, and if they didn't have all those damn injuries, they'd be topping the table. I think it's still going to be close by the end of the season.
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Adi you are very dumb. Madrid has much injury like Barça.
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its not our fault barca is a shite team losing 4-2 to athlitico madrid
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Madrid had been missing Robinho for about 3 games, look what happened when he came back :banana:
Ruud had been out for a span of a few games as well.
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robinho is an excellent player. one of the best young players if not the best. i expect to see more from him. but expect the unexpected
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hahaha weekend is good!!! :popcorn:
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we can sleep eazy this week knowing madrid is still first
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and out of the champions league :banana:
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no we have nightmares because of that
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Madrid is on course to win the league for the second straight year now.
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that just proves who is the best club
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that just proves who is the best club
Maybe in Spain, but not in Europe.
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if barça lose to us then Madrid better of course :thumbsup:
:booty: fuck barça
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your right adi but madrid used to be a force to be rekoned with in the times of ronaldo, zidane, figo. now i think in a few years time their young players should mature into world class players
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Depo wrecked Madrid at La Riazor own goal by Pepe, Madrid always have a taught time when ever they travel away to Depo.
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damn the goal was lead up pretty good. and then pepe had to do that. good win for depo and a moral boost. bad for madrid. there lead is cut down to 5 points
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Good for Depo tho another step closer to avoiding relegation completely.
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im pretty sure the title is madrids again. they have lady luck on their side as well as a good manager.
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Madrid has not won away to Deportive in 17 years! :saywhat:
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Real Madrid's Van Nistelrooy to have ankle op
MADRID, March 19 (Reuters) - Real Madrid striker Ruud van Nistelrooy is to have arthroscopic surgery for a problem with his right ankle, the Spanish champions said on Wednesday.
The Netherlands international has flown to Amsterdam for the operation, Real said in a statement on their website.
Van Nistelrooy has missed Real's last four matches in all competitions with a persistent swelling around the ankle joint and was absent from Wednesday's training session.
The club do not known how long he will be out of action though his presence at Euro 2008 is unlikely to be threatened.
The 31-year-old has scored 12 league goals for Real this term and his absence will be a major setback as they close in on a second consecutive Primera Liga title.
Real lead second-placed Barcelona by seven points with 10 matches left.
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Real Madrid's Van Nistelrooy to have ankle op
MADRID, March 19 (Reuters) - Real Madrid striker Ruud van Nistelrooy is to have arthroscopic surgery for a problem with his right ankle, the Spanish champions said on Wednesday.
The Netherlands international has flown to Amsterdam for the operation, Real said in a statement on their website.
Van Nistelrooy has missed Real's last four matches in all competitions with a persistent swelling around the ankle joint and was absent from Wednesday's training session.
The club do not known how long he will be out of action though his presence at Euro 2008 is unlikely to be threatened.
The 31-year-old has scored 12 league goals for Real this term and his absence will be a major setback as they close in on a second consecutive Primera Liga title.
Real lead second-placed Barcelona by seven points with 10 matches left.
maybe barca will step it up a notch and get back the glory they had in '06...with Van Nistelroy injured and all...
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Matchday 29 Preview:
http://www.beyondfootball.com/articles-Spanish-La-Liga-Matchday-29-Preview-19,1,36a.html
Article written by a Beyond Football writer.
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The Madrid vs. Valencia game will be big. If Barcelona loses this weekend and Villareal wins, Barca will drop to 3rd. :saywhat:
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Sevilla FC 1-2 Atlético Madrid
Mallorca 1-0 Deportivo La Coruña
Deportivo are flirting with the prospects of religation while Sevilla and Atletico Madrid are fight for the 4th Champions league spots
tonights games
Barcelona v Valladolid
Racing Santander v Recreativo Huelva
Murcia v Espanyol
Osasuna v Real Betis
Real Madrid v Valencia
Real Zaragoza v Almeria
Levante v Villarreal
Athletic Bilbao v Getafe
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Real Madrid v Valencia
should be a good game
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March 23, 2008
Athletic Bilbao 1-0 Getafe
Real Madrid 2-3 Valencia
Levante 1-2 Villarreal
Real Zaragoza 1-1 Almeria
Murcia 4-0 Espanyol
Racing Santander 2-0 Recreativo Huelva
Osasuna 0-1 Real Betis
Barcelona 4-1 Valladolid
Barcelona closed to within four points of Real Madrid at the top of the Primera Liga on Sunday after the leaders lost 3-2 at home to Valencia while the Catalans beat Valladolid 4-1 at the Nou Camp. Real slipped to only their second home defeat of the season when Angel Arizmendi struck a dramatic 89th-minute winner.
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whats up with madrid they have been losing the last three games
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hitting a rough patch :dontknow:
Saturday, March 29, 2008
Real Betis v Barcelona
Villarreal v Atlético Madrid
Sunday, March 30, 2008
Espanyol v Racing Santander
Valladolid v Real Zaragoza
Valencia v Mallorca
Recreativo Huelva v
Almeria v Levante
Getafe v Osasuna
Deportivo La Coruña v
Real Madrid v Sevilla FC
Real Madrid v Sevilla FC should be good
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yeah and valencia vs atletico madrid is pretty good. seeing as valencia beat madrid
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:banana:
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I predict sevilla 1 real madrid 0...because real have hit a bhit of a dry spell...
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:banana:
who is this guy and why is he posting just smilies in some of the threads
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that guy is weird
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Once again... Madrid is not as good as their league position makes them out to be. I've been saying it all season long. If Barcelona wasn't so damn inconsistent, Madrid would not be at the top. La Liga is really weird this year with a teams like Valencia and Deportivo struggling. Heck, Atletico Madrid has so much talent yet they are only now finding their form. The one team that's performing above expectations is Villareal.
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adi you just dont get it.madrid is simply better then barca :bang:
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Once again... Madrid is not as good as their league position makes them out to be. I've been saying it all season long. If Barcelona wasn't so damn inconsistent, Madrid would not be at the top. La Liga is really weird this year with a teams like Valencia and Deportivo struggling. Heck, Atletico Madrid has so much talent yet they are only now finding their form. The one team that's performing above expectations is Villareal.
A team can never be worst than thier league position. The points never lie. Lucky wins/ties etc. It does not matter. Points are points. Barcelona is horrible if you think about it. They have Messi, Henry, etc. etc. Who is the team of stars now?
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wow ELITE is back.
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Go Real Madrid :rockit:
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barca lost 3-2 today. i think madrid have the title sealed now
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What a comeback by Betis great game. SPL >> EPL considering how the top 4 have hard times even against the struggling sides. Once a top 4 team is up 2-0 in EPL its pretty much over.
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What a comeback by Betis great game. SPL >> EPL considering how the top 4 have hard times even against the struggling sides. Once a top 4 team is up 2-0 in EPL its pretty much over.
Doesn't mean it is a better league however. Let's be fair, there is only really a top 2 in Spain anyway.
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EPL isn't bad, I actually enjoyed watching the Derby v Fulham game. Both teams fighting relegation and it's still interesting.
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What a comeback by Betis great game. SPL >> EPL considering how the top 4 have hard times even against the struggling sides. Once a top 4 team is up 2-0 in EPL its pretty much over.
Doesn't mean it is a better league however. Let's be fair, there is only really a top 2 in Spain anyway.
naw, there's at least 3. Valencia have been monsters lately.
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Real Madrid beat Sevilla today 3-1 as Barcalona fell yesterday. Madrid has a 7 point lead over them, and a 6 point lead over Villareal. Louis Aragones is an idiot if he does not call up Raul. Another brilliant goal for him today.
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Real Madrid beat Sevilla today 3-1 as Barcalona fell yesterday. Madrid has a 7 point lead over them, and a 6 point lead over Villareal. Louis Aragones is an idiot if he does not call up Raul. Another brilliant goal for him today.
i likee you!! :popcorn:
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raul is a legendary cherry picker one of the best
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its too hard for barca now :bang:
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this is just the power of MADRID
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Raul and Del Piero have been the two surprising performers in the 30+ age bracket. They are back! :rockit:
Messi = Barcelona.
It's as simple as that. Without him, they are not half they team the can be. Simply shows how good of a player he is.
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Raul and Del Piero have been the two surprising performers in the 30+ age bracket. They are back! :rockit:
Messi = Barcelona.
It's as simple as that. Without him, they are not half they team the can be. Simply shows how good of a player he is.
true...hes nothing like Ronaldinho 05-06 though
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yeah barca needs messi
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yeah barca needs messi
hes really powerful down the side, and barca needs that kind of speed to get the ball up the field.
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bojan and giovani has skills too, but messi change games he is the master of the rigth side
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bojan and giovani has skills too, but messi change games he is the master of the rigth side
my point exactly. Giovanni is really good, though. Bojan is incredible. All they need is Ronnie in the middle, and maybe Giovanni could play off the bench...and bench deco
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the future of barca lies with botjan, messi
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anyone watch Athletico Madrid v Almeria
Atlético Madrid 6-3 Almeria
4-3 first half with Almeria having two reds
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anyone watch Athletico Madrid v Almeria
Atlético Madrid 6-3 Almeria
4-3 first half with Almeria having two reds
I didn't watch and now I feel a bit sorry :bang:
I bet it was a great match...with Aguero scoring hat-trick :thumbsup:
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Fabiano is being overlooked this year. Nobody talks about him even though he's on pace to score 30 league goals this season. He's already got around 24 I believe.
:popcorn:
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Yeah,you're right.Everybody's talking about Bojan,Raul,Ruud and Robinho. Luis Fabiano should maybe go to a bigger club.
He scored 23 so far and second is Guiza (Mallorca) with six goals less (17)...
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where's kanoute? :dontknow:
last year he was exceptional and in the uefa cup
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Kanoute is still exceptional,only he's scoring less.So far he scored 12 goals (as much as Eto'o,Ruud,Edu and Ricardo Oliveira)
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oh!! good for him. madrid look to be back to back winners because other teams are not capatalizing on their slip ups
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Kanoute is still exceptional,only he's scoring less.So far he scored 12 goals (as much as Eto'o,Ruud,Edu and Ricardo Oliveira)
+1 karma you have been a great member
keep it up
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Saturday, April 12, 2008
Valencia v Racing Santander
Recreativo Huelva v Barcelona
Sunday, April 13, 2008
Real Betis v Levante
Espanyol v Osasuna
Mallorca v Sevilla FC
Valladolid v Atlético Madrid
Deportivo La Coruña v Athletic Bilbao
Getafe v Real Zaragoza
Real Madrid v Murcia
Almeria v Villarreal
Titos Preview:
Barcelona and Real Madrid have a relatively easy opponents they are known to slips up put i would put my money on it.
in other games 3rd Villarreal have a tricky tie against seasons surprise package Almeria and Villarreal have been making impact in the league as of late too.
i'll post prediction later
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deportivo vs biboa look pretty good. i miss the days of the legendary deportivo.
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real madrid is still first?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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i think so. no body can stop MADRID
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i think so. no body can stop MADRID
I have to disagree with this...they are quite stoppable. Neither Barca nor Real is having a particukarly good season this year, but Real have a big enough lead to put the title under tentative locks
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Roma stopped them. I think I have a good thread to start. :biggrin:
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we are not talking about the champs league. right now Madrid are leaders you cant deny that. you cant make up excuses and say they won because barca lost.
btw barca just had a draw. losers
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04/12 Valencia 1 - 2 Racing Santander
04/12 Recreativo Huelva 2 - 2 Barcelona
04/13 Real Betis 0 - 1 Levante
04/13 Espanyol 0 - 1 Osasuna
04/13 Mallorca 2 - 3 Sevilla FC
04/13 Valladolid 1 - 1 Atlético Madrid
04/13 Deportivo La Coruña 3 - 0 Athletic Bilbao
04/13 Getafe 0 - 0 Real Zaragoza
04/13 Real Madrid 1 - 0 Murcia
04/13 Almeria 1 - 0 Villarreal
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nice goal by sneijder. you sig is right :thumbsup:
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Saturday, April 19, 2008
Atlético Madrid v Real Betis
Barcelona v Espanyol
Real Zaragoza v Recreativo Huelva
Sevilla FC v Almeria
Sunday, April 20, 2008
Levante v Getafe
Osasuna v Deportivo La Coruña
Murcia v Mallorca
Villarreal v Valladolid
Racing Santander v Real Madrid
Athletic Bilbao v Valencia
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if barca loses to espanyol I will flip
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they will lose. almeria have been the suprise pakets of this tornoment
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Barca is putting me to sleep with all their draws. Congrats Madrid on a mediocre, yet winning season.
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when Barca turns it on, though, they are the best team in the world. Thierry Henry came on around 75:00 today :saywhat: ridiculous depth
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They are still playing pretty football but they are not being as effective as they used to be.
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its true. Most beautiful passing team on the planet, but lacking finish :saywhat: How do you lack finish when you have players like Eto'o and Henry? I think their main issue is that once they get the ball along the side of the 18, there's no movement, players just weight for headers instead of making runs toward the posts.
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Roma stopped them. I think I have a good thread to start. :biggrin:
Holy Shit. We're in the La Liga thread..
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Barca is putting me to sleep with all their draws. Congrats Madrid on a mediocre, yet winning season.
don't be genlose. the better team won.
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Barca is putting me to sleep with all their draws. Congrats Madrid on a mediocre, yet winning season.
don't be genlose. the better team won.
Madrid SUCKS, think about all the money the spend on buying "Galacticos" and yet they have to struggle to win anything :nopity:
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can you tell me who is winning the la liga. THE GALACTICOS.
i rest my case
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can you tell me who is winning the la liga. THE GALACTICOS.
i rest my case
Barca is putting me to sleep with all their draws. Congrats Madrid on a mediocre, yet winning season.
don't be genlose. the better team won.
all the money the spend on buying "Galacticos" and yet they have to struggle to win anything :nopity:
i rest your case
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weather you stuggle or steam roll your opponet the main thing is winning. case closed
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weather you stuggle or steam roll your opponet the main thing is winning. case closed
yeha, but with all the money they spend on players, they should be able to "Steam Roll" anyone on the LFP.
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weather you stuggle or steam roll your opponet the main thing is winning. case closed
i agree with A10s Madrid are under-proformers for their hype but then again i could be the competition is much bigger in the La Liga than in other leagues
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weather you stuggle or steam roll your opponet the main thing is winning. case closed
i agree with A10s Madrid are under-proformers for their hype but then again i could be the competition is much bigger in the La Liga than in other leagues
LOL!
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Ah. Alright now:
Real Madrid can effectively eliminate Barcelona with a win today. And although mathematically Villareal will still have a chance, if Real Madrid wins they have pretty much won La Liga.
HALA MADRID :banana:
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Real Madrid 1-0 Athletico
Half time.
Robinho shoots and Saviola cleans up the mess that the keeper made. Iker is keeping Real Madrid alive, saving everything including a penalty kick. What a goal keeper he is :cheers:
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Barcelona is so, so screwed :down:
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HALA MADRID. back to back league champions baby. HALA
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weather you stuggle or steam roll your opponet the main thing is winning. case closed
i agree with A10s Madrid are under-proformers for their hype but then again i could be the competition is much bigger in the La Liga than in other leagues
LOL!
i just realized that
i meant it not i
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:zzz:
Sooooo boring compared to last year.
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just because madrid won. when will you face the facts adi
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Barca rocked Valencia! 6-0: L. Messi (Penalty Goal) 5', Xavi 8', T. Henry 14',58', Bojan 72', 79' :rockit:
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HALA MADRID CHAMPIONES DE LA LIGA 2007 2008
Losing with 6 minutes to go, Robben and Higuain gave Real Madrid the goals to give them back to back championships. And they did the whole second half with 10 men.
:banana: :banana:
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another last minute win for madrid to seal the tile,
HALA ELITE
HALA MADRID
where's barca now.
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madrid well deserved although i prefer barca
:thumbsup:
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MADRID OLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who is second?villareal?
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Higuain continues to score immense goals with that powerful strike of his. I wonder when he'll get a starting spot. He deserves it.
And what the hell is happening with Valencia. They are absolute shit this season. They are only 2 points out of relegation. :saywhat:
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Higuain continues to score immense goals with that powerful strike of his. I wonder when he'll get a starting spot. He deserves it.
And what the hell is happening with Valencia. They are absolute shit this season. They are only 2 points out of relegation. :saywhat:
wtf???
i dont think that they will go to devision 2
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Barcelona played masterfully. But much too late for that. Hopefully the game Wednesday is still a fierce clash.
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Why does Barca start playing now?
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There's no pressure any more, btw I don't think they started playing now, because they had the game, but they started SCORING too late.The best example is game against Man.Utd
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True I agree compltely. Thank you for clarifying :cheers:
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Jane you should post more you have made fantastic post around these section maybe abit more in the General Section you opinion would be appreciated
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Jane you should post more you have made fantastic post around these section maybe abit more in the General Section you opinion would be appreciated
Thanks :thumbsup:
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title secured for another year. anyone remmerb last years final match where madrid scored two goals from like the 89th minute.
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Yeah,I remember it and I truly and honestly hate that day :angry:
btw, today's El Clasico must be great coz I'm gonna watch it :biggrin:
anybody's predictions of the result? and do you think Barca can finish second?
I say 3-2 for Barca and hell yeah,they can
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Madrid beat Barcelona very, very comfortably. 4-1! :saywhat:
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Madrid beat Barcelona very, very comfortably. 4-1! :saywhat:
really?
who scores?
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Robben, Ruud, Raul, and Higuain if I remember right. Henry scored for Barcelona.
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Robben, Ruud, Raul, and Higuain if I remember right. Henry scored for Barcelona.
OLE OLE OLE
real m rocks :rockit: :rockit:
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Icing on the Cake.
HALA MADRID
4-1 second year barca haven't beat madrid
HALA
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Fuck, did anyone watch yesterdays match, Real Zaragoza vs R. Madrid?
Worst shit ever, one of the most wicked games I've ever seen, seriously :saywhat:
did anyone else watch it?
Can't believe it ended up 2-2, zaragoza should have won by miles!
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all this real madrid talk makes me so down, which is, coincudentally, the name of this emoticon :down:
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Fuck, did anyone watch yesterdays match, Real Zaragoza vs R. Madrid?
Worst shit ever, one of the most wicked games I've ever seen, seriously :saywhat:
did anyone else watch it?
Can't believe it ended up 2-2, zaragoza should have won by miles!
Sucks for Zaragoza. Had they scored in the end with that great chance they would have been out of the relegation zone. Now they have to rely on those ahead of them to drop points.