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Title: religion
Post by: biyan0 on Mar 31, 2009, 06:26: AM
im wondering what religion you profest and the diferens that they are from one to another becouse i dont profest any and i wont to know the point of vew from people that have a tru religion soooo REPLY
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Mar 31, 2009, 06:31: AM
lol not a good idea
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Mar 31, 2009, 06:32: AM
this has the potential to be a great thread

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 :biggrin:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: DanTheMan on Mar 31, 2009, 07:00: AM
lol not a good idea

+1
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Mar 31, 2009, 07:13: AM
this has the potential to be a great thread

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 :biggrin:
agreed

I worship J.R.R Tolkein and Dungeons and Dragons  :bowdown:

fucking gamers  :cursing:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Mar 31, 2009, 07:37: AM
this has the potential to be a great thread
im gay. and someone answer sebas question in the editing software thread in the tech section or you all will get banned
fixed
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Mar 31, 2009, 07:45: AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Mar 31, 2009, 10:58: AM
lol not a good idea
agreed.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: JonKonik on Mar 31, 2009, 01:19: PM
religion hmmmm  :bs:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Jatt on Mar 31, 2009, 01:30: PM
religion =  :bs:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Mar 31, 2009, 02:06: PM
religion =  :bs:
dude, just fuck off. no1 cares wat u think.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: DanTheMan on Mar 31, 2009, 05:52: PM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
Title: Re: religion
Post by: moby on Mar 31, 2009, 06:41: PM
lol, the last religion thread endend up being a "deffend your religion by cussin at other people and there believes" kind of thread, so imo this thread is gonna be the same, but i may be wrong.........na im not  :biggrin:

hahah i seriously laughed out loud  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Mar 31, 2009, 07:06: PM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
+2.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Mar 31, 2009, 07:59: PM
atheism =  :bs:
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Arteest on Mar 31, 2009, 08:39: PM
Prove that God exists.

*runs away before shitstorm*
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Max on Mar 31, 2009, 09:08: PM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
+2.
agreed
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Mar 31, 2009, 09:09: PM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
+2.
-5

Prove that God exists.
Prove that God doesn't exist
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Mar 31, 2009, 11:00: PM
this is the perfect thread to go off topic, so ill ask my question here: how long does it normaly takes you to edit a 2min video? and i know it depends on how many effects you wanna put in i dont care just tell me how long does it NORMALY takes
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Mar 31, 2009, 11:17: PM
this is the perfect thread to go off topic, so ill ask my question here: how long does it normaly takes you to edit a 2min video? and i know it depends on how many effects you wanna put in i dont care just tell me how long does it NORMALY takes
it normally takes me an hour to 2 depending on how many effects I use
Title: Re: religion
Post by: DanTheMan on Mar 31, 2009, 11:25: PM
Prove that God exists.

*runs away before shitstorm*


hahahaha i laughed so fucking hard
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Mar 31, 2009, 11:43: PM
this is the perfect thread to go off topic, so ill ask my question here: how long does it normaly takes you to edit a 2min video? and i know it depends on how many effects you wanna put in i dont care just tell me how long does it NORMALY takes
it normally takes me an hour to 2 depending on how many effects I use
those are very good news man thanks

Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 01, 2009, 12:07: AM
this is the perfect thread to go off topic, so ill ask my question here: how long does it normaly takes you to edit a 2min video? and i know it depends on how many effects you wanna put in i dont care just tell me how long does it NORMALY takes
it normally takes me an hour to 2 depending on how many effects I use
those are very good news man thanks


yeah bro
no problem
hope it helps  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 01, 2009, 12:13: AM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
+2.
-5

Prove that God exists.
Prove that God doesn't exist
The XY and XX chromosones of males and females proves that adam and eve story was not true.

What Adam and Eve is not true? Whats not believble about a talking snake that convinces naked people (who was created not born but have belly buttons) too eat an apple, that makes you embarrased about your body.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheIrishFreestyler on Apr 01, 2009, 02:13: AM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TW89 on Apr 01, 2009, 04:02: AM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........

*spoken in Irish accent*

So you not catlick?    (catholic)
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 01, 2009, 04:15: AM
religion =  :bs:

+ 1
+2.
-5

Prove that God exists.
Prove that God doesn't exist
atheism =  :bs:
 :thumbsup:

Really now? Living your life the way you want to is bullshit?
Honestly, all you Jesus freaks are fucking slaves.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 01, 2009, 05:08: AM
you're a slave to science
we're a slave slave to god
god pwnz science  :rockit:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheIrishFreestyler on Apr 01, 2009, 05:36: AM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........

*spoken in Irish accent*

So you not catlick?    (catholic)
FYI i dont pronounce that word the way you think, I say it the way it is spelt.
At least I dont say it in an English accent - Caffolik.

Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 01, 2009, 05:39: AM
you're a slave to science
we're a slave slave to god
god pwnz science   :rockit:

Not really?

Does science tell you too pray x times a day? nopee
Does science forbid you from having sex before marraige? nopee
Does science stop you from wearing whatever you want? nopee
Do some religions treat women as slaves? Yesss
Do religions believe that homosexuals are wrong? Yess (Religions say gays choose to be this way, and its due too the modern day society, however it has now been proved that there is gay animals)
Does religion take away your sunday morning ? yess

*George basks in the smell of ownage*

I have no problem with religion, but you had ago at us.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TW89 on Apr 01, 2009, 06:53: AM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........

*spoken in Irish accent*

So you not catlick?    (catholic)
FYI i dont pronounce that word the way you think, I say it the way it is spelt.
At least I dont say it in an English accent - Caffolik.

Sorry boss, was jus a bit of humour...

And I dont say it in a 'English' accent either. Plus you didn't answer my question lol
Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 01, 2009, 06:57: AM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........

*spoken in Irish accent*

So you not catlick?    (catholic)
FYI i dont pronounce that word the way you think, I say it the way it is spelt.
At least I dont say it in an English accent - Caffolik.



Yeh, Mark speaks perfect english, He can say anything, err.. Eg. Chippy :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 01, 2009, 01:57: PM
you're a slave to science
we're a slave slave to god
god pwnz science   :rockit:

Not really?

Does science tell you too pray x times a day? nopee
Does science forbid you from having sex before marraige? nopee
Does science stop you from wearing whatever you want? nopee


*George basks in the smell of ownage*

I have no problem with religion, but you had ago at us.
Those are all beneficial.
Prayer has physical benefits (since you don't believe in it i'll spare you the spiritual benefits)
Quote
   
1.   Regular exercise reduces cholesterol in the body. Thus reducing the chances of heart failures, strokes, diabetes and many other ailments.
2. Salat is an excellent form of exercise to prevent indigestion. In the morning when stomach is empty, a Muslim is required to offer fewer number of units of prayer whereas in the evening after the dinner we offer an extra number of units.
3. At the beginning of salat, we move hand and shoulder muscles thereby increasing the flow of blood towards torso.
4. The most important function in salat is sajdah where we touch the ground with our forehead. This posture increases fresh supply of blood to our brain. Needless to say in certain forms of yoga some adherents stand on their heads for the same purpose.
5. In kneeling position, our hip, elbow, knee joints, backbone, wrist joints move in a way that it provides a form of relaxation to our entire body. Pressure is applied on the body parts as if it was a kind of massage which releases tension.
6. Heart in the most important organ in the body. It supplies fresh blood to all body tissues. These body movements performed during salat are an excellent source of exercise for our heart as well.
7. A remarkable tissue in our body is cartilage. It is unique in being a living tissue with no direct blood supply. The only way it receives nutrients and oxygen is by movements of the joints. The pumping effect forces blood into the joint area which would otherwise be bypassed. Those who sit at the terminals are in greater danger of ending up with dead cartilage tissues that will subsequently wear away. This will leave us with arthritis, painful joints and paralysis. Bacteria and viruses find safe haven in joints for this reason as no blood cell can get at them and in most cases neither can antibodies. Salat therefore, has many orthopedic benefits for all Muslims. Next time you offer salat, thank Almighty Allah that He made you a Muslim. Indeed, there is cure in salat.

Sex before marriage is a form of prostitution and hell of alot of sickness and disease come from it. Many problem arise from it too like if they relationship doesn't go  right and the girl turn out to be pregnant and what not.

And about 'Wear what ever we want' shit. That's why there is so much rapers continous being expose to women wearing such revealing clothes. IT'S DISGUSTING AND SHAMELESS!

Do some religions treat women as slaves? Yesss
If you are referring to Islam you are so off track with that remark. Have you ever lived with a muslim family Girls and Women are protected in Islam not used as slave. The media gets one person doing wrong and stereotype a whole religion and you just believe it.

it's like taking that priest who raped kids and saying his a key example of a Christian

Do you research kid and stop accept the propaganda you hear every in the news

Science is and will always be Theories and man made conclusion

*Tito basks in the smell of ownage*
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheIrishFreestyler on Apr 01, 2009, 07:22: PM
Tito, I dont understand one of your statements, this one:

"Sex before marriage is a form of prostitution and hell of alot of sickness and disease come from it".

How do diseases come from sex before marriage?

So if your married your somehow immune to sickness from sex?

What are you talking about ? That honestly makes no sense in my mind.

Im not taking any sides in this whole debate as everyone has their own religious opinions and they probably should be kept to themselves.
BUT I will say this:

Some religions beleive that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, taking the notion of "Genesis" quite literally.
But Science has proved that the life on Earth began almost 2.5 Billion years ago.
Thats just one of the many belief's out there that Science has proven to be wrong.

All i say is, broaden your minds a bit and be open to new opinions.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 01, 2009, 08:04: PM
STDs are rare after marriage ofcorse you would go to a doctor and check yourself and partner before marriage

and yes it is a form of prostitution fucking this one and that one changing boy/girlfriend every now and then. It's digusting how some people use girls only for sex and call them bitches.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: VG on Apr 01, 2009, 08:43: PM
So basically Tito your saying  that a prayer is like a good stretch in the morning and at night?
Forgive me for not rushing to vonert to islam on that as a basis , and i think its very very wrong to describe sex before marraige as a form of prostitution as im assuming you mean prostitution in the sense of
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the act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money
.  In which case i think your making a large generalisation that everybody is only having sex for money and no other possible reason.  Yes the rate of STD'S would fall if nobody had sex before mariage but equally the rate of STD'S would fall if everybody used a condom or got themselves checked out at clinics.

Science would blatantly kick god arse in a fight, we have lasers!
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 01, 2009, 09:32: PM
So basically Tito your saying  that a prayer is like a good stretch in the morning and at night?
Not at all!
but i was just naming some of its
physical benefits (since you don't believe in it, i'll spare you the spiritual benefits)
Forgive me for not rushing to vonert to islam on that as a basis , and i think its very very wrong to describe sex before marraige as a form of prostitution as im assuming you mean prostitution in the sense of
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the act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money
.  In which case i think your making a large generalisation that everybody is only having sex for money and no other possible reason.  Yes the rate of STD'S would fall if nobody had sex before mariage but equally the rate of STD'S would fall if everybody used a condom or got themselves checked out at clinics.
Not for money but in the sense of fun and that damages many lives.
Kinda like alcohol it's extremely damaging and Islam forbid because of that. Alot of bad things come from sex before marriage is thus for that reason forbidden.

can you honestly tell me one benefit of sex before marriage beside 'pleasure'

Science would blatantly kick god arse in a fight, we have lasers!
When science creates a living being from absolutely nothing.
Let me be the first to know
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 02, 2009, 06:14: AM
When science creates a living being from absolutely nothing.
Let me be the first to know


You actually believe that?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: VG on Apr 02, 2009, 06:42: AM
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You actually believe that?
  If your referring to the belief that something was created from nothing i wouldn't completely dismiss it because, although i have no intention of being Religious nor do i see many benefits in it, the idea that there was at some point completely nothing is just as acceptable as the idea that there has always been something.

On regards as to creating something from completely nothing, it depends what you mean by nothing if you mean nothing as in just its constituent elements then that itself is nearly possible, what is further away however is watching an organism assemble itself in the sense of no outside interference although progress is being made along this path.

To pick up on another couple of points you raised Tito you mentioned Women covering themselves up helped stop rate, lame me if you think I'm being a bit picky but don't you think that this shifts the onus of blame for the rape onto the woman as if its their fault for tempting the man to rape them therefore they must cover themselves up?  Can we not just try and get men to stop raping and sexually abusing them.

In regards to sex before marriage you say it is only used for pleasure and can only eventually bring pain, whilst this may be true in some cases consider a couple who have sex and then get married surely they receive pleasure earlier and suffer no negative effects from this.  Or it could be argued that there is nothing wrong with the idea of having sex only for pleasure even if it does cause either party emotional pain as this would stop them from marrying or having relations with another person of the same mold, and this is in the case that either party gets hurt but if they don't what is the problem with doing something no-hazardous if all precautions are taken for pleasure.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 02, 2009, 07:33: AM
TBH

I have no problem with religion or anything of the sort.

I dont know if theres a god or not, but if there is one, I would not let him judge me, Because at the end of the day, hes letting thousands of people starv every day, Letting people being born with such upsetting things, such as downs, edwards syndrome, loss of limbs, and the worst of them all, Dyslexia  :saywhat:  :lol:

So there you have it, i dont wanna worship no person who puts people through such suffering, he doesnt deserve my prayers.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Wrighty on Apr 02, 2009, 08:32: AM
No problem with religion, but i've your going to put your faith in someone, put it in yourself.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 02, 2009, 08:51: AM
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Not for money but in the sense of fun and that damages many lives.

sure, but many things can damage lives, including marriage

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Kinda like alcohol it's extremely damaging

if used responsibly, quite the contrary is true, much like pre-marital sex.

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can you honestly tell me one benefit of sex before marriage beside 'pleasure'

i'll link you to ten:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex

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When science creates a living being from absolutely nothing.
Let me be the first to know

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TW89 on Apr 02, 2009, 09:07: AM
I think being religious is pretty pointless.



i'll link you to ten:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex

Lmao
I'm sure loadsa ppl do it to burn calories...
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 02, 2009, 09:23: AM
I think being religious is pretty pointless.



i'll link you to ten:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex

Lmao
I'm sure loadsa ppl do it to burn calories...

it's on most calorie counters fwiw
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 02, 2009, 02:17: PM
Hehe I could argue all day on the topic of Religion.

But I have my doubts myself on many things, I think its best to have a faith but be open to your own views and dont really mind what people will think of you if you support a certain religion.

I mean, I still like Abbas.........

*spoken in Irish accent*

So you not catlick?    (catholic)
FYI i dont pronounce that word the way you think, I say it the way it is spelt.
At least I dont say it in an English accent - Caffolik.



Yeh, Mark speaks perfect english, He can say anything, err.. Eg. Chippy :lol:

Yo, lads, stop the fighting. I say we all get in the back of my truck and smoke my pipe or even better: Let's go ride ma cows!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: chevestiano on Apr 02, 2009, 04:45: PM
i have this question, and no one has an answer for me yet.
It is supposed to be that god is pefect, and because of this, ihe doesn't need anything, he's all happy, he's all joy, he's all handsome.... etc.
So, the question is: Why would god create us? He doesn't need us...??
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 02, 2009, 05:33: PM
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You actually believe that?
  If your referring to the belief that something was created from nothing i wouldn't completely dismiss it because, although i have no intention of being Religious nor do i see many benefits in it, the idea that there was at some point completely nothing is just as acceptable as the idea that there has always been something.

On regards as to creating something from completely nothing, it depends what you mean by nothing if you mean nothing as in just its constituent elements then that itself is nearly possible, what is further away however is watching an organism assemble itself in the sense of no outside interference although progress is being made along this path.
How could there possibly always be something?
Nearly is good enough to explain why living being exist!
Science never created anything and the earth was made of Theories

To pick up on another couple of points you raised Tito you mentioned Women covering themselves up helped stop rate, lame me if you think I'm being a bit picky but don't you think that this shifts the onus of blame for the rape onto the woman as if its their fault for tempting the man to rape them therefore they must cover themselves up?  Can we not just try and get men to stop raping and sexually abusing them.
I'm not saying that the women are to blame but they should take care of themselves. Would like you sister to be wear the 'new regeneration of clothing' that seem more and more  revealing for god sake how could some people walk with clothing that so revealing the even breasts and asses can be seen. the covering up of the girl is a sign of their status and level of protection rather than an enslavement or denial of rights

In regards to sex before marriage you say it is only used for pleasure and can only eventually bring pain, whilst this may be true in some cases consider a couple who have sex and then get married surely they receive pleasure earlier and suffer no negative effects from this.  Or it could be argued that there is nothing wrong with the idea of having sex only for pleasure even if it does cause either party emotional pain as this would stop them from marrying or having relations with another person of the same mold, and this is in the case that either party gets hurt but if they don't what is the problem with doing something no-hazardous if all precautions are taken for pleasure.
It's not necessary and your example of the couple that got married what would be the difference if they didn't have sex before marriage. Risk V Reward the scale tips towards the risky side. That Muslim countries have the lowest HIV rates.

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can you honestly tell me one benefit of sex before marriage beside 'pleasure'

i'll link you to ten:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex
i said Sex before marriage
Title: Re: religion
Post by: oLi on Apr 02, 2009, 09:23: PM
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You actually believe that?
  If your referring to the belief that something was created from nothing i wouldn't completely dismiss it because, although i have no intention of being Religious nor do i see many benefits in it, the idea that there was at some point completely nothing is just as acceptable as the idea that there has always been something.

On regards as to creating something from completely nothing, it depends what you mean by nothing if you mean nothing as in just its constituent elements then that itself is nearly possible, what is further away however is watching an organism assemble itself in the sense of no outside interference although progress is being made along this path.
How could there possibly always be something?
Nearly is good enough to explain why living being exist!
Science never created anything and the earth was made of Theories

To pick up on another couple of points you raised Tito you mentioned Women covering themselves up helped stop rate, lame me if you think I'm being a bit picky but don't you think that this shifts the onus of blame for the rape onto the woman as if its their fault for tempting the man to rape them therefore they must cover themselves up?  Can we not just try and get men to stop raping and sexually abusing them.
I'm not saying that the women are to blame but they should take care of themselves. Would like you sister to be wear the 'new regeneration of clothing' that seem more and more  revealing for god sake how could some people walk with clothing that so revealing the even breasts and asses can be seen. the covering up of the girl is a sign of their status and level of protection rather than an enslavement or denial of rights

In regards to sex before marriage you say it is only used for pleasure and can only eventually bring pain, whilst this may be true in some cases consider a couple who have sex and then get married surely they receive pleasure earlier and suffer no negative effects from this.  Or it could be argued that there is nothing wrong with the idea of having sex only for pleasure even if it does cause either party emotional pain as this would stop them from marrying or having relations with another person of the same mold, and this is in the case that either party gets hurt but if they don't what is the problem with doing something no-hazardous if all precautions are taken for pleasure.
It's not necessary and your example of the couple that got married what would be the difference if they didn't have sex before marriage. Risk V Reward the scale tips towards the risky side. That Muslim countries have the lowest HIV rates.

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can you honestly tell me one benefit of sex before marriage beside 'pleasure'

i'll link you to ten:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex
i said Sex before marriage
Yeah and those benefits are equal wether you're having sex with a person you're married to or a person you meet 15 minutes ago
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Apr 02, 2009, 10:20: PM
i have this question, and no one has an answer for me yet.
It is supposed to be that god is pefect, and because of this, ihe doesn't need anything, he's all happy, he's all joy, he's all handsome.... etc.
So, the question is: Why would god create us? He doesn't need us...??
he was lonely.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 12:33: AM
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Yeah and those benefits are equal wether you're having sex with a person you're married to or a person you meet 15 minutes ago

yeah, the article didn't read "10 surprising health benefits of marital sex"
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 01:50: AM
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Science never created anything and the earth was made of Theories

think about that the next time you need to go to the doctor, or need a ride somewhere, or need to microwave something, or need to post on beyondfootball, or need to put your cleats on to play soccer, or need to put a shirt on, or need to go to the grocery store, or need to use the restroom, or need to use the shower...

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the covering up of the girl is a sign of their status and level of protection rather than an enslavement or denial of rights

sorry, i just can't see the problem w/a t-shirt and a pair of fucking shorts.  if you would like to protect your woman, give her a can of mace

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That Muslim countries have the lowest HIV rates.

though, there is great speculation as to whether or not these hiv rates are grossly underreported.  regardless, there's an easy "fix" to this.  wear a fucking condom, but there's no guarantee that you could eliminate the risk completely w/marriage, and it's not like a monogamous relationship out of wed-lock doesn't guarantee similar safety
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 02:16: AM

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the covering up of the girl is a sign of their status and level of protection rather than an enslavement or denial of rights

sorry, i just can't see the problem w/a t-shirt and a pair of fucking shorts.  if you would like to protect your woman, give her a can of mace


it raises the lvl of a woman actually
instead of looking at her with lust, men will look at her with respect because of her piety
I dunno why it's so hard to understand that
if you put two twins together, one wore whatever she likes while exposing her body a bit, and the other one fully clothed
what do you think will happen if a flippin rapist passes by. who would he aim for?
and I don't see why it's such a frikkin problem for you non-Muslims. it's not your religion
and btw, we don't force the women to cover the face
the minimum requirement is to cover the body except the hands and the face
the ones who cover their face, are the ones who want to cover
look at the christian nuns for example
why the eff don't you ask them to change what they wear? why don't you go bash christianity instead?

statistics tell that in america, an average of 2000 women are being raped a day.
think logically for a sec... what would happen if they all wore decently at least?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 02:31: AM
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It protects a woman so men have less urges to rape etc

right, so it's a complete lack of personal responsibility.

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what do you think will happen if a flippin rapist passes by. who would he aim for?

it's not like he doesn't know what's under there.

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and I don't see why it's such a frikkin problem for you non-Muslims. it's not your religion

it's not, but this is a discussion forum.  what the fuck else are we going to talk about in here?  youtube videos?  funny pictures?  regardless of the ultimate futility of this thread, at least it's somewhat engaging and informative.  i've learned a lot more about islam from these threads than i ever would've from the news,etc.

(not that i have any problem w/youtube videos or funny pictures.  there's just not that much to say about them)

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and btw, we don't force the women to cover the face
the minimum requirement is to cover the body except the hands and the face
the ones who cover their face, are the ones who want to cover

so, it is a denial of rights?  i mean, seriously, regardless of the reasoning behind it, call it what it is

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look at the christian nuns for example

fairplay.  although, nuns are celibate and entrance into an order is completely voluntary

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why the eff don't you ask them to change what they wear? why don't you go bash christianity instead?

it hasn't been brought up.  i generally don't enter these threads until science is brought into the mix anyway.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 02:42: AM
did I mention that men also have a minimum requirement for covering the body?
cover from the navel to the knees
almost any single body part of a woman can turn a man on
that's why they have to cover everything

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it's not like he doesn't know what's under there.
that's why it's better to have marriage first before sex
he won't know till he gets married
and don't say that's the reason why muslim men get married. just to have sex...  :bs:

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right, so it's a complete lack of personal responsibility.
like the Prophet said, prevention is better than cure
to cover the woman up, is to prevent bad things from happening

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so, it is a denial of rights?
the west's idea of human rights are so different from Islam's perspective
if the so-called "male religion" wants to protect it's women from bad things, what's wrong?
and it's not like women are the only ones who get punished for doing bad things
if a man doesn't take care of his wife properly, he will be accountable

why don't we allow women to wear shorts, why don't we allow women to show cleavage
you know that man is weak when it comes to sexual matters
ask him, do this hottie for free. he'd do it
90% of men would do it
ask a woman do this hot dude for free, few would do it
once again
"prevention is better than cure"
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 02:52: AM
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did I mention that men also have a minimum for clothes?
cover from the navel to the knees
almost any single body part of a woman can turn a man on
that's why they have to cover everything

that's not very much.  it's not like from the navel-up/knees-down can't turn a woman on

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that's why it's better to have marriage first before sex
he won't know till he gets married

we're talking about a rapist here.

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like the Prophet said, prevention is better than cure
to cover the woman up, is to prevent bad things from happening

that doesn't really hit the root of the problem, but i'll leave this alone

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the west's idea of human rights are so different from Islam's perspective

i know.  if it wasn't, wouldn't you think that this would be a non-issue?

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if the so-called "male religion" wants to protect it's women from bad things, what's wrong?
and it's not like women are the only ones who get punished for doing bad things
if a man doesn't take care of his wife properly, he will be accountable

let me put my response in context:

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I'm not saying that the women are to blame but they should take care of themselves. Would like you sister to be wear the 'new regeneration of clothing' that seem more and more  revealing for god sake how could some people walk with clothing that so revealing the even breasts and asses can be seen.  the covering up of the girl is a sign of their status and level of protection rather than an enslavement or denial of rights

then again, you'd have to put that response in context as well.

i think that most of us have a problem w/the notion that women need to be protected.  i think that many women in modern society have proven this to be quite wrong.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 03:05: AM
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we're talking about a rapist here.
would he be a rapist if he was brought up with ppl around who wore decently?

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that's not very much.  it's not like from the navel-up/knees-down can't turn a woman on

"you know that man is weak when it comes to sexual matters
ask him, do this hottie for free. he'd do it
90% of men would do it
ask a woman do this hot dude for free, few would do it
"

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i think that most of us have a problem w/the notion that women need to be protected.  i think that many women in modern society have proven this to be quite wrong.
oh yeah? what about the average of 2000 women in america who are being raped daily?
 :booty:


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like the Prophet said, prevention is better than cure
to cover the woman up, is to prevent bad things from happening
that doesn't really hit the root of the problem
but does it help reduce the amount of disgusting things happening to women?
obviously yes
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 03:23: AM
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would he be a rapist if he was brought up with ppl around who wore decently?

probably.  a rapist is a "deviant."

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ask a woman do this hot dude for free, few would do it

 :lol:

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oh yeah? what about the average of 2000 women in america who are being raped daily?

weird, i pulled up by-country statistics for rape.  places like tunisia, qatar, and saudi arabia are still in the top 65 surrounded by "modern societies."  that's not to mention the "over-disclosure" of rape in "modern societies." 

"DEFINITION: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population."

i wonder...if i was in a muslim country and raped, would i come forward?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

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but does it help reduce the amount of disgusting things happening to women?
obviously yes

w/a little discretion, rape, as with any crime, is easy to avoid.  you don't need to cover up to avoid it.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 03:35: AM
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i wonder...if i was in a muslim country and raped, would i come forward?
what are you trying to imply?
were you brainwashed into thinking that all muslim countries punish the rape victim instead of the rapist?
lol
very few do. correct me if I'm wrong, I think iran and pakistan are some of them
this is the real ruling in islam on rape

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1125407868541

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weird, i pulled up by-country statistics for rape.  places like tunisia, qatar, and saudi arabia are still in the top 65 surrounded by "modern societies."  that's not to mention the "over-disclosure" of rape in "modern societies."

"DEFINITION: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population."

i wonder...if i was in a muslim country and raped, would i come forward?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
look at the top 30
none of them try to follow the sharia
look at the difference in numbers between those you mentioned and those above them
who cover up more? Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries
obviously covering up more has to count for the number being less in muslim countries

unless Muslim men can control themselves more than non-Muslims
there are a billion muslims out there now, how many of them represent actual Islam and how many of them are just Muslim by name?
an advice would be, check the original sources first. (Qur'an and Sunna of the Prophet)
don't go bashing Islam because of the amazing % of retarded Muslims there are who don't look at themselves

if you want to talk about religion, question the main sources
should I generalize Priests by saying they all like kiddos?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mike on Apr 03, 2009, 03:52: AM
This is kind of fun.

It seems as you muslims see the woman as something contagious that needs to be covered up in order to prevent the males to commit their unavoidable cravings to rape any female when exposed to. There is no stopping us!

Wouldn't it be better to just lock them up reall hard, so we even wouldn't be able to smell them? Put them all in jails where no men are allowed. In that case no rapes will occur. When they are old enough, marry them to someone so the sex spree can start.

Regarding sex before marriage: who cares what the benefits are!? Sex brings joy to people; doesn't that count for something? Do whatever makes you feel good (as long as it doesn't bring misery anyone else), and I can assure you'll have a good life (unless you die from some nasty deceas).

Though seriously: is it worth reducing rapes if the cost is the females freedom?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 04:00: AM
This is kind of fun.

It seems as you muslims see the woman as something contagious that needs to be covered up in order to prevent the males to commit their unavoidable cravings to rape any female when exposed to. There is no stopping us!

Wouldn't it be better to just lock them up reall hard, so we even wouldn't be able to smell them? Put them all in jails where no men are allowed. In that case no rapes will occur. When they are old enough, marry them to someone so the sex spree can start.

Regarding sex before marriage: who cares what the benefits are!? Sex brings joy to people; doesn't that count for something? Do whatever makes you feel good (as long as it doesn't bring misery anyone else), and I can assure you'll have a good life (unless you die from some nasty deceas).

Though seriously: is it worth reducing rapes if the cost is the females freedom?
your idea of female freedom brings about the sickening no. of rapes
let them wear whatever they want, yeah, as long as we all have fun, why should we care about the minority who get raped?  :bs:

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It seems as you muslims see the woman as something contagious that needs to be covered up in order to prevent the males to commit their unavoidable cravings to rape any female when exposed to. There is no stopping us! Wouldn't it be better to just lock them up reall hard, so we even wouldn't be able to smell them? Put them all in jails where no men are allowed. In that case no rapes will occur. When they are old enough, marry them to someone so the sex spree can start.
nice one
bring up sarcasm to a serious matter
you obviously don't take your life seriously
religion is a part of everyone, whether you believe in it or not
and no, we don't see women as something contagious
are you that stupid?
on the contrary actually
we believe they're beautiful creatures that need to be protected
wtf?
isn't it shameful that a woman gets f!@#ed by a no. of different men?
and why Islam also enforces that sex should be done only by a husband and wife is because what happens if a woman gets pregnant with some random ass dude because of casual sex after a "fun" and drunk night in the club
yeah, what now?
abortion? you gonna kill a baby because of your facking stupidity?
single motherhood? no dad to take care of the baby?
she's gonna be REAL happy after she gets pregnant
and don't say just use a condom
there are lots of times where the condom will just slip then oh no!
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 04:41: AM
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were you brainwashed into thinking that all muslim countries punish the rape victim instead of the rapist?

social stigma.  not punishment.  kind of like male rape in the united states.

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don't go bashing Islam because of the amazing % of retarded Muslims there are who don't look at themselves

 :lol:

i wouldn't consider what i've done "bashing" islam.  in fact, i've been quite reserved

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look at the top 30
none of them try to follow the sharia
look at the difference in numbers between those you mentioned and those above them
who cover up more? Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries
obviously covering up more has to count for the number being less in muslim countries

seriously dude?  then what are the other 140 some odd countries doing right that islam isn't?

and again,

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"DEFINITION: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population."

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if you want to talk about religion, question the main sources

why would i do that?  many things are perfect in theory.

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your idea of female freedom brings about the sickening no. of rapes

i guess when coupled with personal irresponsibility, but it's very easy for the modern woman to greatly reduce her chances of being raped.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:01: AM
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why would i do that?  many things are perfect in theory.
ok then, you're actually questioning Muslims, not Islam
so this thread should be called something along the lines of the followers of the religions
Like many of the ppl who actually try to study islam, I believe that the 1.6 billion muslims or whatever don't represent Islam
so whatever you have against Islam is actually against the stupidity of the followers who have actually strayed AWAY from Islam
even I myself have strayed away from many of Islam's teachings. not to say that Islam teaches bad things, but because I am weak. like most humans are.
just saying. if you have anymore questions about the ppl who supposedly follow Islam, then I won't bother.

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i guess when coupled with personal irresponsibility, but it's very easy for the modern woman to greatly reduce her chances of being raped
ok, like??? how does a "modern" woman reduce the chances of rape? how does she show cleavage and a lot of her lower body while not giving an incentive to men not to rape her?

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i wouldn't consider what i've done "bashing" islam.  in fact, i've been quite reserved
yeah, bashing is not the right word  :bang:
I meant like seeing Islam as having faults

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social stigma.  not punishment.  kind of like male rape in the united states.
well of course it brings a woman's honour down in front of ppl knowing that she got raped
if she was covered and was raped then that's a huge problem, and Allah would be pleased with her if she exposed the animal
if she wasn't covered properly, well the judges would be thinking, well it's your facking fault you got raped. you invited a rapist to frikkin rape you
whilst not forgetting to acknowledge that it's majorly the fault of the facking scrub nub who can't control himself
that's why it's better to cover up too. it's less of a social degrading issue if a woman gets raped whilst wearing very decent clothes unlike if the woman wore something more inviting.
it just shows how frikkin low some men can be. f!@#ing horny bastards

btw, I hope we're more like discussing rather than debating right? I don't want to get on the bad side of a moderator :-[
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mike on Apr 03, 2009, 05:04: AM
Of course the condom can slip from times to time, but it's the best protection there is. It's just as you claim covering girls up is the best way to prevent rapes; but a girl being covered can still be raped, so that's not bullet proof either, but it's still the way you choose to go.

Raping is bad, of course, but I don't see covering up girls as a solution. It's more like opression. Wouldn't it be better to come up with something that doesn't mean taking away ones liberty? There are better ways to reduce the ratio of raping than hiding the source.

A Man rapes a female, so in order to prevent that, you decide to cover them up. You don't see the irony?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 03, 2009, 05:11: AM
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ok then, you're actually questioning Muslims, not Islam
so this thread should be called something along the lines of the followers of the religions

that has kind of been the progression of this thread hasn't it?

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ok, like??? how does a "modern" woman reduce the chances of rape? how does she show cleavage and a lot of her lower body while not giving an incentive to men not to rape her?

same way you would prevent any crime from happening to you.  rape is just like any other crime.  w/a little discretion, almost any of the instances in which you'd find yourself threatened can be prevented.

avoid traveling alone at night, avoid dark areas, avoid high crime areas, etc.

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btw, I hope we're more like discussing rather than debating right? I don't want to get on the bad side of a moderator

it's fine.  you're not going to hurt my feelings
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:13: AM
Of course the condom can slip from times to time, but it's the best protection there is. It's just as you claim covering girls up is the best way to prevent rapes; but a girl being covered can still be raped, so that's not bullet proof either, but it's still the way you choose to go.

Raping is bad, of course, but I don't see covering up girls as a solution. It's more like opression. Wouldn't it be better to come up with something that doesn't mean taking away ones liberty? There are better ways to reduce the ratio of raping than hiding the source.

A Man rapes a female, so in order to prevent that, you decide to cover them up. You don't see the irony?

dude, what irony? it prevents it more or less since the female covered is less inviting to a horny bastard. or would you rather let it be that she gets raped?
ok genius, what other ways you think a woman can be protected from factards and to reduce the no. of factards?
Islam says, the rapist gets capital punishment if the judgement is in favour of the victim (as in it's true that she got raped)
and as Muslims, if the woman really is a muslim, she won't be brainwashed into thinking about the west's idea of liberty

for example, now when she goes out, she doesn't have to wear/buy the make-up she needs so she'd look ok in front of men. she doesn't need to think about what to wear when she goes out, just cover your adornments. and btw, Muslim women have a say in this and they support it. don't think the men just force them to do this. Islam is not only for men you know  :rolleyes:
like for instance, women had the right to vote more than 1400 years ago. when did women have the right to vote in the west? what? 50/60 years ago?  :lol:
so your idea of us oppressing women is just...  :bs:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:22: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it
like what you mentioned "plaxico burress". avoid traveling at night by yourself. Islam teaches us men to accompany your sisters, mother, wives, etc...
If you see in Saudi, there are frikkin women just walking by themselves, and in the flipping public, I saw 4 fags in a car wolf whistling a woman fully clothed. HORNY BASTARDS!  :cursing: 
Islam's solution? Men are not allowed to look at women in the public if they have bad thoughts. first look, if it initiates bad thoughts, look down.
if us Muslims followed Islam we would be in good terms with ALL non-Muslims
but unfortunately, no government in the muslim world follows Islam properly
for e.g. 5 months ago a close friend of my dad, one of the nicest ppl you could meet (yes he's particularly nice to non-Muslims), was imprisoned. for what? because the facking filipino embassy to saudi filed a complaint saying that he's been inviting a lot of pinoys to Islam and they accepted it. WOW!!! SAUDI ARABIA IS SO FACKING ISLAMIC!
that's why seriously, what all Muslims should be thinking is, the west, America, non-Muslims, Jews, etc... they're not the problem why Islam looks so f!@#ed up. it's coz of ourselves  :down:
just saying  :thumbsup:
I feel like a hypocrite
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:32: AM
I having a feeling my posts will bore ppl to sleep  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Apr 03, 2009, 05:35: AM
then stop posting
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 03, 2009, 05:39: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:44: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:
table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up  :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 03, 2009, 05:47: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:

People like you believe we were created by something "higher".  :thumbsup: At least, apes DO exist, unlike God.

The other funny thing that I notice - Buddhists NEVER argue about their religion, it's just the Christians and the Muslims, honestly - all of you are like fucking pigs fighting over a bucket of shit.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:53: AM
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table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up   :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff
just to make sure you don't miss that info

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People like you believe we were created by something "higher".  Thumbs Up At least, apes DO exist, unlike God.
yeah, keep talking
apes learned how to communicate by making words and thought of washing themselves and how to eat on a plate with a fork and spoon/knife while they left their brethren to look like a bunch of ignorant animals 
 :stupid:

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The other funny thing that I notice - Buddhists NEVER argue about their religion, it's just the Christians and the Muslims, honestly - all of you are like fucking pigs fighting over a bucket of shit.
oh so now it's ok to believe in god of buddhism?
what's with atheists loving buddhists so much?
bucket of shit eh? exactly what bucket of shit are we talking about? apes becoming humans?  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 03, 2009, 05:55: AM
You really are useless.  :rolleyes: Do you have some reading disorders or something?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 05:57: AM
no actually I don't
or do I?
wait... thank you, I know I'm useful  :thumbsup:

I bet you like buddhists coz they have nothing, no proof, to defend their religion
they're so defenseless, so quiet, oh so loving  :nopity:
Islam = bullet proof
(talking about the religion, not the followers)
you keep coming up with different posts trying to prove islam is wrong, we'll keep proving you wrong  :rockit:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 03, 2009, 06:05: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:
table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up  :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff

It has been proved that we evolved from apes.
I will not go into much details, however in 1994, (i think) they was doing research into the chromosones, and basically they found that there was cells, that decided what colour hair you will have, eye colour, height etc... however the also found evidence that backed up darwins theory,  this was that there was  Blank cells, that had no effects on human featueres, which is believed too be what we used too have in our dna when we evolved from apes.

And your also saying all sorts, about it being good in your countries not seeing women flashing of flesh, however its certainly had a bad effect on you, look how many times you post in the hot babes thread, maybe because you cant see it everyday in your society, your more curious too google it.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Max on Apr 03, 2009, 06:17: AM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:
table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up  :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff

It has been proved that we evolved from apes.
I will not go into much details, however in 1994, (i think) they was doing research into the chromosones, and basically they found that there was cells, that decided what colour hair you will have, eye colour, height etc... however there was just cells that arent needed, which is believed too be what we used too have in our dna when we evolved from apes.

And your also saying all sorts about it being good in your countries not seeing women flashing of flesh, however its certainly had a bad effect on you, look how many times you post in the hot babes thread, maybe because you cant see it everyday in your society, your more curious too google it.

owned !
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mr. T on Apr 03, 2009, 07:41: AM
no actually I don't
or do I?
wait... thank you, I know I'm useful  :thumbsup:

I bet you like buddhists coz they have nothing, no proof, to defend their religion
they're so defenseless, so quiet, oh so loving  :nopity:
Islam = bullet proof
(talking about the religion, not the followers)
you keep coming up with different posts trying to prove islam is wrong, we'll keep proving you wrong  :rockit:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm

I haven't really looked much into it, but it looks convincing.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: G-Kid on Apr 03, 2009, 07:59: AM
:lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 11:00: AM
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm

I haven't really looked much into it, but it looks convincing.
when they talk about Islam on that site, the haters are the one's who are talking
they just start talking about how islam is for pedophiles, terrorists, and shit...

Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:
table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up  :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff

It has been proved that we evolved from apes.
I will not go into much details, however in 1994, (i think) they was doing research into the chromosones, and basically they found that there was cells, that decided what colour hair you will have, eye colour, height etc... however there was just cells that arent needed, which is believed too be what we used too have in our dna when we evolved from apes.


And your also saying all sorts about it being good in your countries not seeing women flashing of flesh, however its certainly had a bad effect on you, look how many times you post in the hot babes thread, maybe because you cant see it everyday in your society, your more curious too google it.

owned !
actually not owned
I haven't been googling them
got those pics from three different gaming sites I visit almost every day, and the pics are just on the left side, or in the featured news stuff
I don't google "hot babes" then go through the countless pages.... :rolleyes:


actually all of the attempts on trying to prove darwin's theory as right were all false. they even tried to create their own proofs.  :lol:
like how the atheists/evolutionists got the skull of a human and the jaws of an ape and joined them together. Even darwin himself pointed out the weakness of his theory. In one of his books, can't remember the name, he says that the problem with his theory is that it hasn't been proved yet and will be very hard to prove. and I watched a documentary proving evolution wrong. that 1994 thing you mentioned was not true. If you want to read about it http://www.harunyahya.com/evolution_specialpreface.php
I've watched the dvd version instead, but if you really want to know if evolution is right or wrong, it has all the proofs there that it isn't
this site also
http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/


I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mr. T on Apr 03, 2009, 11:47: AM
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm

I haven't really looked much into it, but it looks convincing.
when they talk about Islam on that site, the haters are the one's who are talking
they just start talking about how islam is for pedophiles, terrorists, and shit...
Ok, but I think the guy who made the site and all the accusions against your prophet Muhammad, is a former muslim, so I'd think he'd have some knowledge?

You should have a go at this, btw: http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Here's why, Ali Sina (owner of the site), left islam (I haven't read it, but you might want to): http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm

Btw, there's not only "haters" of islam who's talking: http://www.faithfreedom.org/mcommets.htm

But of course, that could be faked to make muslims look bad, what do I know.

Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 03, 2009, 12:09: PM
HAHA! the guy's challenge?
me and my bro will definitely do it and take his damn $50,000
omg
the guy's serious
most ex-muslims are brainwashed fools who want so-called "freedom"
I'll try my best, coz I can already see his mistakes and false belief
he says why aren't the scholars replying to him and that this is the greatest threat to muslims?  :lol:
I bet tito can reply to him with no problems
but I'm first, me and my bro. just casual students of Islam  :hello:
(greatest threat to islam, this fool?)  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EDIT: Actually I sent his challenge to a prominent preacher of Islam. a preacher who the challenger called a magician just coz he pwned a person in a debate about the Qur'an being false
Title: Re: religion
Post by: imagestyles on Apr 03, 2009, 01:27: PM
Islam has its ways of preventing things. it covers all aspects of life, including eating/drinking or table manners to going to the bathroom and how you should behave inside it

That made me, rofl! Are we living in the ancient times? I'm pretty sure that if you're not a monkey, you'll know how to use bathrooms properly.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
well ppl like you believe we evolved from apes   :thumbsup:
table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up  :rolleyes:
wash the sausage and stuff

It has been proved that we evolved from apes.
I will not go into much details, however in 1994, (i think) they was doing research into the chromosones, and basically they found that there was cells, that decided what colour hair you will have, eye colour, height etc... however the also found evidence that backed up darwins theory,  this was that there was  Blank cells, that had no effects on human featueres, which is believed too be what we used too have in our dna when we evolved from apes.

And your also saying all sorts, about it being good in your countries not seeing women flashing of flesh, however its certainly had a bad effect on you, look how many times you post in the hot babes thread, maybe because you cant see it everyday in your society, your more curious too google it.
no it has not been proved.......



See... it has.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mr. T on Apr 03, 2009, 10:31: PM
HAHA! the guy's challenge?
me and my bro will definitely do it and take his damn $50,000
omg
the guy's serious
most ex-muslims are brainwashed fools who want so-called "freedom"
I'll try my best, coz I can already see his mistakes and false belief
he says why aren't the scholars replying to him and that this is the greatest threat to muslims?  :lol:
I bet tito can reply to him with no problems
but I'm first, me and my bro. just casual students of Islam  :hello:
(greatest threat to islam, this fool?)  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EDIT: Actually I sent his challenge to a prominent preacher of Islam. a preacher who the challenger called a magician just coz he pwned a person in a debate about the Qur'an being false
Read this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/YaminZakaria.htm
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Apr 04, 2009, 01:09: AM
lol @ everyone saying it has been proven that we evolved from apes, god how can you be so fucking stupid did you all really now that darwins theorie doesnt even say that we evolved from apes? i feel really sorry for all of you who say you believe that we evolved from apes
Title: Re: religion
Post by: VG on Apr 04, 2009, 01:26: AM
Evolutionary theory is most certainly a fact, if you want het most basic evidence look at the evolution of drug resistant diseases

And 2 the catholic church has accepted evolutionary theory, and stop saying we evolved from apes as that is not technically true apes and us are from the same branch of genus/family.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Apr 04, 2009, 01:31: AM
Evolutionary theory is most certainly a fact, if you want het most basic evidence look at the evolution of drug resistant diseases

And 2 the catholic church has accepted evolutionary theory, and stop saying we evolved from apes as that is not technically true apes and us are from the same branch of genus/family.
fact doesnt necessarily mean true...
its 'fact' with the technology we have. just like it many MANY years ago, it was a 'fact' that the earth was flat. i hope u understand wat im saying ;)

im not going to take sides, coz this is stupid. no1s going to change there religion/beliefs because of u(that goes for evry1)
Title: Re: religion
Post by: SeBaS on Apr 04, 2009, 01:38: AM
Evolutionary theory is most certainly a fact, if you want het most basic evidence look at the evolution of drug resistant diseases

And 2 the catholic church has accepted evolutionary theory, and stop saying we evolved from apes as that is not technically true apes and us are from the same branch of genus/family.
exactly what i wanted to say.it hasnt been proven that we evolved from apes, simply because no one would make up such a stupid theory. on the other hand,many aspect from darwins theory have been proven
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mike on Apr 04, 2009, 03:06: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 04, 2009, 04:47: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: oLi on Apr 04, 2009, 06:29: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Gustav on Apr 04, 2009, 06:59: AM
Religon and fact is to different things
Fact says that there is no god/other big power... but I think u can still beilive in the thing u trust..

Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheIrishFreestyler on Apr 04, 2009, 07:28: AM
Sure, we all need to have some sort of belief.

We shouldnt judge people on what or who they believe. As long as there are no conflicts over our beliefs.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 04, 2009, 07:39: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

+1. Your name alone gives you wisdom. ;)
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 04, 2009, 10:25: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and laugh is what we'll do looking at oLi in hell trying to satisfy his hunger by eating the bark of a thorny tree and trying to run away but hell pulls him back. yeah keep laughing at truth, in the end the truthful will laugh at you
100 virgins?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
you are retaarrd?
if we become Muslim just to have women after death then you're not Muslim. intention counts more than action. so... all of you who think that Muslim men are muslims just to have virgins after death are brainwashed FOOLS. yeah oLi, FOOLSSS!  :thumbsup:
we don't do it for the women, we believe because we know it's the truth. not virgins...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: JonKonik on Apr 04, 2009, 10:29: AM
religion =  :bs:
what was the point of copying me?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Apr 04, 2009, 10:54: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and laugh is what we'll do looking at oLi in hell trying to satisfy his hunger by eating the bark of a thorny tree and trying to run away but hell pulls him back. yeah keep laughing at truth, in the end the truthful will laugh at you
100 virgins?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
you are retaarrd?
if we become Muslim just to have women after death then you're not Muslim. intention counts more than action. so... all of you who think that Muslim men are muslims just to have virgins after death are brainwashed FOOLS. yeah oLi, FOOLSSS!  :thumbsup:
we don't do it for the women, we believe because we know it's the truth. not virgins...  :rolleyes:
It's funny how you're calling anyone brainwashed....

That takes nerve, and the thick skull of a draft ox. I respect that  :bowdown:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 04, 2009, 11:24: AM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and laugh is what we'll do looking at oLi in hell trying to satisfy his hunger by eating the bark of a thorny tree and trying to run away but hell pulls him back. yeah keep laughing at truth, in the end the truthful will laugh at you
100 virgins?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
you are retaarrd?
if we become Muslim just to have women after death then you're not Muslim. intention counts more than action. so... all of you who think that Muslim men are muslims just to have virgins after death are brainwashed FOOLS. yeah oLi, FOOLSSS!  :thumbsup:
we don't do it for the women, we believe because we know it's the truth. not virgins...  :rolleyes:


Proof? Looks like you're the one who's brainwashed. Tell me, what has Allah given you and what has science given you? Most of the things you use daily came from science. Religion has always hindered the human progress. And it succeded, thanks to the ones like you.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: imagestyles on Apr 04, 2009, 01:17: PM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and laugh is what we'll do looking at oLi in hell trying to satisfy his hunger by eating the bark of a thorny tree and trying to run away but hell pulls him back. yeah keep laughing at truth, in the end the truthful will laugh at you
100 virgins?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
you are retaarrd?
if we become Muslim just to have women after death then you're not Muslim. intention counts more than action. so... all of you who think that Muslim men are muslims just to have virgins after death are brainwashed FOOLS. yeah oLi, FOOLSSS!  :thumbsup:
we don't do it for the women, we believe because we know it's the truth. not virgins...  :rolleyes:


Proof? Looks like you're the one who's brainwashed. Tell me, what has Allah given you and what has science given you? Most of the things you use daily came from science. Religion has always hindered the human progress. And it succeded, thanks to the ones like you.


Yeah, and you're possibly the biggest computer geek on this forum(To Royal Freakiness.)
Title: Re: religion
Post by: JonKonik on Apr 04, 2009, 01:56: PM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.
One of the best posts i've read on this forum
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 04, 2009, 03:21: PM
I stop arguing with you people 3 pages ago

Believe in what ever you want to believe in
and i'll believe in what ever i believe in

Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and you call your self admin
if someone else said something like that to you you'd be making treats and getting all emotional
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 04, 2009, 04:20: PM
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Yeah, and you're possibly the biggest computer geek on this forum(To Royal Freakiness.)
and????  :dontknow:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 04, 2009, 06:27: PM
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like for instance, women had the right to vote more than 1400 years ago. when did women have the right to vote in the west? what? 50/60 years ago?

if you examine the timeline for modern women's suffrage, you will find that they're all generally w/i +/- 50-100 years of each other.  i'm sure that both sides could cite esoteric, ancient examples

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table manners as in, don't reach over the table to grab some food
eating as in don't talk/laugh while eating/chewing coz of the risk of choking
how to clean yourself when you're in the bathroom
not pee then zip your pants up 
wash the sausage and stuff

but what does that necessarily prove?  do the tell you to eat using the utensils set from the outside-in as well?  can you eat w/your elbows on the table?  can you put them on the table after you're finished eating?

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apes learned how to communicate by making words and thought of washing themselves and how to eat on a plate with a fork and spoon/knife while they left their brethren to look like a bunch of ignorant animals

i almost see where you're going with this (not that i agree with it), but there are animals w/i the hominid family that are not human that exhibit these EXACT traits.  they use tools.  they communicate through language/have a capacity for language.  they wash themselves.  fuck, even cats and dogs wash themselves.

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oh so now it's ok to believe in god of buddhism?

not going either way w/this, but buddhism generally doesn't have an absolute creator

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its 'fact' with the technology we have. just like it many MANY years ago, it was a 'fact' that the earth was flat. i hope u understand wat im saying

yes, but evolution is supported w/physical observations.  witchcraft and astrology were considered to be fact as well...w/no physical observations beyond the incidence itself (similarly to the earth being flat).  would you agree that the earth is round?  beyond 99%?
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Apr 04, 2009, 06:38: PM
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its 'fact' with the technology we have. just like it many MANY years ago, it was a 'fact' that the earth was flat. i hope u understand wat im saying

yes, but evolution is supported w/physical observations.  witchcraft and astrology were considered to be fact as well...w/no physical observations beyond the incidence itself (similarly to the earth being flat).  would you agree that the earth is round?  beyond 99%?
yea...there r pictures that i assume r legit. but whose to say that one day we mite have the technology to observe God in some way?
but there was physical observations that made ppl think that the world was flat, no? im sure they didnt just pull it out of there arses.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 04, 2009, 06:48: PM
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but there was physical observations that made ppl think that the world was flat, no?

yeah, it was poor wording on my part.  i've had too much jaeger/a few too many beers

it was good insight for their spheres of influence, but we've come to the point to where we've seen pretty much all we need to see of the world to make that determination.  we've gotten to that point w/evolution.  your quote could probably be better put towards the mechanisms behind evolution/evolutionary history
Title: Re: religion
Post by: VG on Apr 04, 2009, 09:25: PM
People never really thought the world was flat they thought it was a multitude of different shapes, christopher columbus believed it was pear shaped.
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Since around the 4th century BC, almost no one, anywhere, has believed that the earth is flat. However, if you did want to show the earth as a flattened sphere, you'd end up with something very similar to the United Nations flag.

Belief in a flat Earth by anyone at all – at least since pre-classical times – may not even have actually originated until the 19th century. The guilty text was Washington Irving’s semi-fictional The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828) which, incorrectly, suggests that Columbus’s voyage was made to prove the world was round.

At the same time, the eccentric Englishman, Samuel Birley Rowbotham helped re-establishing the idea. After research on the Old Bedford Level in 1838, he published a 16 page paper hopefully titled: 'Zetetic Astronomy: A Description of Several Experiments which Prove that the Surface of the Sea Is a Perfect Plane and that the Earth Is Not a Globe' (‘Zetetic’ derives from the Greek zetein, meaning ‘to search, or inquire’).

More than a century later an eccentric member of the Royal Astronomical Society and devout Christian called Samuel Shenton re-branded the Universal Zetetic Society as the International Flat Earth Society.

The NASA space programme of the 1960s, culminating in the lunar landings, should have buried the issue. But Shenton was undeterred. Looking at photographs of a spherical earth taken from space he commented: ‘It’s easy to see how a photograph like that could fool the untrained eye.’ The Apollo landings were, apparently, a Hollywood hoax, scripted by Arthur C Clarke. Membership shot up.

Shenton died in 1971 but not before choosing his successor as President of the Society. The odd but charismatic Charles K Johnson took over and made the Society a rallying point for a heroic, homespun ‘anti-Big Science’ movement. By the early 1990s, membership had surged to over 3,500.

Johnson, who lived and worked in the vast flatness of the Mojave desert, proposed a world in which we live on a disc, with the North Pole at its centre, surrounded by a 150ft high perimeter wall of ice. The sun and moon are both 32 miles in diameter, and the stars are ‘about as far away as San Francisco is from Boston’.

Johnson’s desert hideaway burnt down in 1995, destroying all the Society’s archives and membership lists. Johnson died in 2001, having only managed to rebuild the Society to a few hundred members. It exists today solely as a web forum, www.theflatearthsociety.org, with over 800 registered users.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Apr 05, 2009, 04:25: AM
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People never really thought the world was flat they thought it was a multitude of different shapes, christopher columbus believed it was pear shaped.

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Since around the 4th century BC, almost no one, anywhere, has believed that the earth is flat. However, if you did want to show the earth as a flattened sphere, you'd end up with something very similar to the United Nations flag.

china, mesopotamia, pre-classical greece, etc. all had some form of a "flat earth"
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TW89 on Apr 05, 2009, 08:10: AM
Isnt religion a gamble? God could be real, but then again, maybe not.

Bloody waste of time.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Apr 05, 2009, 12:04: PM
Isnt religion a gamble? God could be real, but then again, maybe not.
yes it is. theres a chance for both, so y not spend 3mins a week praying(which i probelly do less than that now)
even if theres such a small chance, id rather have wasted such a small time than be sorry later on.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 05, 2009, 03:05: PM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e

I'm still laughing buddy. You made yourself sound so ignorant right now.

Hahaha and this guy is admin? What has this place come to.  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: oLi on Apr 05, 2009, 11:23: PM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e

I'm still laughing buddy. You made yourself sound so ignorant right now.

Hahaha and this guy is admin? What has this place come to.  :lol:
You should join the Tito club it's free to join for anyone all you gotta do is hate on me cus you know I'm a G  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Max on Apr 06, 2009, 09:11: AM
totally agree with mike.

but i also have to agree with cigar omar.......................................... about oLi ;)
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Tito on Apr 06, 2009, 10:19: AM
You should join the Tito club it's free to join for anyone all you gotta do is hate on me cus you know I'm a G  :thumbsup:
Hahahahaha
Oh that was the funniest thing i've ever heard
you a G lol

how do you come up with those jokes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 06, 2009, 03:57: PM
totally agree with mike.

but i also have to agree with cigar omar.......................................... about oLi ;)

Don't get me wrong oli is a nice dude. I just can't get along with him on the religion topic. I can't stand his oppinions on it.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 06, 2009, 05:04: PM
What's up with the whole virgin thing though? Why virgins?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 06, 2009, 07:14: PM
Ignorance don't talk on something you have no knowladge of. Thats what everyone here does. Trust me I wouldn't want to lower myself to that Cnn educated level and make disgusting accustions about your peoples, because everyone will wet their panties when that happens. It becomes a really dirty game.

I'd be careful you where to say that shit to a persons face youd probably get your jaw tapped nicely.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Royal Freakiness on Apr 06, 2009, 07:54: PM
What's up with the whole virgin thing though? Why virgins?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
because they're not touched? they weren't done by 90 other men.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mike on Apr 06, 2009, 08:11: PM
Must be a pain in the ass training all of them. You're stuck with a bunch of lame ass newbies.

Non-virgins do appeal more to me, since they would most probably rock the bed.
Title: Re: religion
Post by: L_I_S on Apr 06, 2009, 09:19: PM
Must be a pain in the ass training all of them. You're stuck with a bunch of lame ass newbies.

Non-virgins do appeal more to me, since they would most probably rock the bed.
dont steal other ppls jokes :rolleyes:

Title: Re: religion
Post by: Kwas on Apr 06, 2009, 09:36: PM
I feel that evolution was made by ppl who just can't comprehend that there is a God. so they just HAD to make up some stupid theory of how humans came into existence
Yeah, we just didn't see the logic that someone, out of the blue, created us in 6 days.

It's quite the contrary; religion is a way for you numbnuts to explain what you wern't able to explain 2000 years ago. Times have changed and we can explain things logicaly now. So move on and stop living brainwashed by some old book some random guys made thousands of years ago.

Humans didn't evolve from apes. They evolved from a creature that neither was a man nor ape, that evolved to a human and apes. So we're related to apes. Studies have proven creatures evolving all the time, so you don't need to be a brainwiz to look at it backwards and see how we looked back then (fossils tell us).

And my god. Darwin lived like ages ago and our knowledge has improved much since. So what Darwin claimed is NOT final, he just grounded the theory.

Laugh is all i can do at the moment.  :lol:
Yeah and laugh is what I will do when I found out you're dead because before you die you will think about the 100 virgins waiting for you in the heaven of allah or w/e
and laugh is what we'll do looking at oLi in hell trying to satisfy his hunger by eating the bark of a thorny tree and trying to run away but hell pulls him back. yeah keep laughing at truth, in the end the truthful will laugh at you
100 virgins?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
you are retaarrd?
if we become Muslim just to have women after death then you're not Muslim. intention counts more than action. so... all of you who think that Muslim men are muslims just to have virgins after death are brainwashed FOOLS. yeah oLi, FOOLSSS!  :thumbsup:
we don't do it for the women, we believe because we know it's the truth. not virgins...  :rolleyes:
damn, you are so self-confidence, dont be suprised whe you die and you meet Zeus,lol and I beleive in Zeus sooo I will laugh at you, I have got proovs that Zeus exist... Evolution is fact,  you cant negate a fact without any evidences against it,  if you have shov me, but not worthless quotations from you religion books, I cant bieleve, people stiil think ythat evolution is bullshit and lie, peopple just look at animals around you?
they have almost all organs very similar to us such like heart(especially mammals)?   too bad that my english skills are limited :( coz I would describe some evedinces for evolution and against religion =)  I suggest read more about world insteand of sitting on the computer or going to church and listening what god wants from us?If I were god I wouldnt care about who believe in me, but who is good person, and 70 % of people who are go regulary to church, arent realy good for other people. So what is teh pointh of faith ?  



Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 07, 2009, 02:10: AM
What's up with the whole virgin thing though? Why virgins?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
because they're not touched? they weren't done by 90 other men.

So, basically, you'll be bringing yourself to the level you don't want them to be at? And what do women get? 100 untouched men?  :lol: :lol: This bullshit's even more fucked up than Christianity, and I thought nothing could beat it.  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 07, 2009, 11:48: PM
People that can't even properly clean themselves want to have a go at our religion.  :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 08, 2009, 06:13: AM
3 "humans" in your picture have probably never taken a shower in their lives. yet, you "like" them. Even though they're not under 8.  :saywhat:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: oLi on Apr 08, 2009, 07:38: AM
3 "humans" in your picture have probably never taken a shower in their lives. yet, you "like" them. Even though they're not under 8.  :saywhat:
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 08, 2009, 10:27: AM
3 "humans" in your picture have probably never taken a shower in their lives. yet, you "like" them. Even though they're not under 8.  :saywhat:

Nas >>> Your Family tree.

Big L >>> Your existence

unknown dude is >>> Your Nation
Title: Re: religion
Post by: DanTheMan on Apr 08, 2009, 11:01: AM
3 "humans" in your picture have probably never taken a shower in their lives. yet, you "like" them. Even though they're not under 8.  :saywhat:

Nas >>> Your Family tree.

Big L >>> Your existence

unknown dude is >>> Your Nation
haha ur putting a lot of faith in the unknown dude
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 08, 2009, 11:04: AM
3 "humans" in your picture have probably never taken a shower in their lives. yet, you "like" them. Even though they're not under 8.  :saywhat:

Nas >>> Your Family tree.

Big L >>> Your existence

unknown dude is >>> Your Nation

Is the unknown dude older than 8? Cause if he isn't, he has no value to you. We all know your preferences.  :lol:
Go back to your cage for now, the zoo officials have already cleaned the mess you made there.  :banana:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 08, 2009, 11:15: AM
Its good to know that your done cleaning my complex. Run along peasant. I'll retreat back to my palace.  :pimp:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 08, 2009, 12:43: PM
Yeah, talking about your palace. The staff members are going to redecorate your cage for the Easter.  :thumbsup: We hope you like it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 08, 2009, 01:28: PM
Tell my staff to hold out on the decorations cuz im having ramadan son. But while your in the mood for redecorating you can redecorate my shoe with your tongue.  :pimp:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Mikael on Apr 09, 2009, 01:45: AM
Hold on there, stinky. I do NOT work at the zoo. I'm just a visitor. And you do NOT have shoes.  :bs: You have lots of fur and claws, but no shoes, sorry. And no, redecorating HAS to be finished by tomorrow.
P.S. Stop spitting at kids when they try to feed you!!! You have no idea how many complaints I've had about you.  :angry: :boxing:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: oLi on Apr 09, 2009, 03:42: AM
Hold on there, stinky. I do NOT work at the zoo. I'm just a visitor. And you do NOT have shoes.  :bs: You have lots of fur and claws, but no shoes, sorry. And no, redecorating HAS to be finished by tomorrow.
P.S. Stop spitting at kids when they try to feed you!!! You have no idea how many complaints I've had about you.  :angry: :boxing:
  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: religion
Post by: Jak on Apr 09, 2009, 04:16: AM
Hold on there, stinky. I do NOT work at the zoo. I'm just a visitor. And you do NOT have shoes.  :bs: You have lots of fur and claws, but no shoes, sorry. And no, redecorating HAS to be finished by tomorrow.
P.S. Stop spitting at kids when they try to feed you!!! You have no idea how many complaints I've had about you.  :angry: :boxing:
  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LMAO!
Title: Re: religion
Post by: TAHA95 on Apr 13, 2009, 01:37: AM
this thread should be closed.everyone has reasons and facts  to support there religion.This topic should be put off to bed
Title: Re: religion
Post by: manutd. on Apr 13, 2009, 03:00: AM
Ok, I'll lock it.  :thumbsup: