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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Christiaan on Feb 17, 2009, 09:33: PM
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i was wondering if patw is a bad trick for your knees because you make a very fast triple rotation and i dont think it is very good for you knees?
what do you guys think?
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lets ask fx, azun, zegan etc how theyre legs r in a few years. thats the only way were going 2 know, other than palle's testamonies.
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im sure it has to have some bad damage
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who cares, just do it :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I think it's a personal question.
Not everybody have some damage when they have done patw.
But it's better to let people aswer who have done patw
So: come on :thumbsup:
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Maybe yes ,maybe not!
just do it ,without ball and u will see
move ur leg more fast as u can, i got recored a patw
in my next video will be appear :thumbsup:
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i think its very bad for your kneemuscle thingy :bang:
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I think it is bad for your knee's it rotates to fast, and then your damage your knee muscle or something
but yeah, ask fx,azun,zegan they can tell if they had a injury of practise patw
:cheers:
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Maybe yes ,maybe not!
just do it ,without ball and u will see
move ur leg more fast as u can, i got recored a patw
in my next video will be appear :thumbsup:
Hmm..cool!
Can't wait it,i hope it will not touch ground (joking) :3some:
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patw is not bad for the knee.
its the practice before you make it that is risky.
my kne is abit messed up... be carefull. :)
(aircombos is painfull...)
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patw is not bad for the knee.
its the practice before you make it that is risky.
my kne is abit messed up... be carefull. :)
(aircombos is painfull...)
thanks for the info Azun! :thumbsup:
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I'm going to practice until I will get patw once, then I will (probably) stop doing it, because I'm quite sure that it will have some kind of negative effects on your knees. Sure it does not have to be bad for everyone, but I don't want to be not able to run normally anymore when I'm older.
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I think its different with everyone really .. but when i constantly tried it, it fucked my legs up soo much .. started to really hurt, but they are fine now cos i dont try patw anymore.
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im not going to try it! because im 80% sure it wil damage my knees and i want to freestyle a very long time and just like Sven said! i want to walk normal when im older :3some: :biggrin:
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im not going to try it! because im 80% sure it wil damage my knees and i want to freestyle a very long time and just like Sven said! i want to walk normal when im older :3some: :biggrin:
Hmm...and what about the 20% ?
Try it..take the risk!
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im not going to try it! because im 80% sure it wil damage my knees and i want to freestyle a very long time and just like Sven said! i want to walk normal when im older :3some: :biggrin:
Hmm...and what about the 20% ?
Try it..take the risk!
haha :lol:
i prefer takin risk's but not that kinda big one (i love the trick patw when i watch it by fx or some others but i dont like to do it myself, i am not even close to it :banana:)
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I think it's a personal question.
Not everybody have some damage when they have done patw.
But it's better to let people aswer who have done patw
So: come on :thumbsup:
I have no pain on my knees :biggrin:
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Like azun said. When i started practise it I got some pain in my knee and other places in the leg. I also felt the pain in my leg when I had done it too, but after some time it was ok to do it, if I just wormed up first.
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
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yeah i tryed it once and my patella flew right off, so i refuse to try agian :bang:
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its more about speed.. :3some:
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I think it's not that painful when you are warmed up well enough. if you go out and immediately start trying patw it's bad for sure. but after training atw, then latw, your muscles for the patw are warmed up enough i think
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.
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I think it could be a good thing, like running, if you run really fast is that bad for your health? But i cant do patw so I cant really comment.
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.
Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.
Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.
totally agree whit you :thumbsup:
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.
Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.
exactly, for patw you need a perfect 1st touch, if you haven't a perfect 1st touch, but you have fast leg's, you won't get patw... anyway's, strogness and fast leg's help too, but the key to land patw is the first touch,.....
aclaration : perfect 1st touch=timing
so In this one I must agree with andrew, but sven isn't 100 % wrong either...because in fact you need speed, but not as much as timing
I almost landed patw, I did it but I coulndt control the ball after it, and my right foot isn't fast and strong because of injury's I allready commented about... And I practiced alot the first touch and to keep eye on the ball and even with my shity leg I landed it...(not control after but I landed it)
So in conclusion, timing is the esential thing, fast legs is secondary
:cheers:
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its easier to get the perfect speed, then perfect timing..
if you have really fast speed, the timing is less imporen(still importen).. and then you can do it more often cause the speed will save you...
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.
Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.
exactly, for patw you need a perfect 1st touch, if you haven't a perfect 1st touch, but you have fast leg's, you won't get patw... anyway's, strogness and fast leg's help too, but the key to land patw is the first touch,.....
aclaration : perfect 1st touch=timing
so In this one I must agree with andrew, but sven isn't 100 % wrong either...because in fact you need speed, but not as much as timing
I almost landed patw, I did it but I coulndt control the ball after it, and my right foot isn't fast and strong because of injury's I allready commented about... And I practiced alot the first touch and to keep eye on the ball and even with my shity leg I landed it...(not control after but I landed it)
So in conclusion, timing is the esential thing, fast legs is secondary
:cheers:
Agree :thumbsup:
but look to the patw from Murilo, that one was the slowest i ever seen :saywhat:
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so i think control is the best thing on patw, 2 is speed and timing
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I think it's a personal question.
Not everybody have some damage when they have done patw.
But it's better to let people aswer who have done patw
So: come on :thumbsup:
u never film a clean one :rolleyes:
I have no pain on my knees :biggrin:
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I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.
I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.
timing is speed....... :rolleyes:
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being tall is an important factor( 5 ''11 ) or so because when ur tall it actually gives u alot of time needed for the 3rd revolution and the 3rd is the hardest revolution as the ball is falling down at a fast pace and so u have lesser time to go around it(lesser time = harder to control the ball as its try to touch it).As murilo did the patw , he did it slow because hes tall and he didnt need to jump that much.for him its mostly about timing and control
but eg for a freestyler like me..im just 5'8.5 the ball is huge for me and i need a high jump to do the patw and speed plays an important part for me,then comes control and timing.
theres a video of me doing the patw in the beginning and it seems so hard because i was already going really fast and i wont lie i have a pretty fast leg with horrible style :rolleyes:.I would definitely find it hard to get it as going faster than that is really difficult.
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i believe thats one fo the fastest patws...and then theres fx's patws ..they're generally really fast
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im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest
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im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest
maybe u mean patw with bad style...dont really think patw spoils style
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I think it's a personal question.
Not everybody have some damage when they have done patw.
But it's better to let people aswer who have done patw
So: come on :thumbsup:
u never film a clean one :rolleyes:[/b]
I have no pain on my knees :biggrin:
:biggrin: I mean know when i'm doing a clean one then i have no pain in my knees but at the beginning my legs were really tired and hurt after patw
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I think the conclusion is:
Patw is a bad trick for your knees,
But hey,
You die already only by living...!
:thumbsup:
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Often, you will get pain when you're trying hard at something your body isn't used to. For example patw. When you try as hard as you can to get the ball three revolutions around the ball you will feel pain. That's the logic way, but of course: No rule withouth an exception. So you can be lucky. I don't know how many percent that felt pain when they practiced patw for the first time but i guess most people did.
When your body is used to the movement, you won't feel pain (Again, no rule without an exception). And Patw is not the only trick. I had alot of pain when I didn't know the right way to do Tatw (A long time ago).
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i think its psychological...when i first tried matw i was really scared to do it with my legs coming together as it was my first inside trick and thought how is it going to be ever possible and my weak leg hurt a lot as i had tried something new...so if we dont fear it i think it would be much better and the pain will go away with practise like becs said...but i too wanna walk stable in my old age so i will be careful...
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i tried a patw and ended up with an 8 month medial meniscus(knee) injury:down:....so its better to really practice a lot of alatws first and some strengthening exercises for the knee to prepare urself
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if you like to challenge,just do it.
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im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest
Lots of people can do good style Patw
Azun, Jonathas, TG, FX, Syzmo, even Blazej :D
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im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest
Lots of people can do good style Patw
Azun, Jonathas, TG, FX, Syzmo, even Blazej :D
rocco, palle,
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dont like Palles style with PATW
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murilo has the best patw style in my opinion
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dont like Palles style with PATW
Hmm, his patw (last patw in his vid) looks better than all the rests together...
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Palle's Recent Patw was the clearest I have seen.
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Palle's Recent Patw was the clearest I have seen.
he used a smaller ball then regular, it looks clearer
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Ok, most of FX's Patw's are with a "smaller ball".
Does it matter?
And by that I mean, who really cares?
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Ok, most of FX's Patw's are with a "smaller ball".
Does it matter?
And by that I mean, who really cares?
no, he does the most with a normal sized ball, you fail
I wanted to reply you because i think that you sais that 'palle does it the most clear', just becuse he is Palle, if Skora would do it with exactly thesame style and Palle did it with Skoras style I can bet some money on that you would still say Palle
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But Palle doesnt have Skora's style, so stop making pointless comparisons ;)
Palle's video was great quality, and his Patw was the clearest revolution on the ball I have seen (with a Monta ball).
Happy?
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But Palle doesnt have Skora's style, so stop making pointless comparisons ;)
Palle's video was great quality, and his Patw was the clearest revolution on the ball I have seen (with a Monta ball).
Happy?
I wont tell you that you have a bad opinion, but I still think that it is not because his patw you 'vote' for him..
anyway, lets leave it there
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:saywhat:
Topic: Patw, bad trick?
I guess it isn't bad :biggrin:
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Gustav, I know what your getting at, and I can tell you your assumption is bullshit.
You assume I'm saying Palle's patw was the clearest revolution because I am friends with him, and because of his name.
If this is so, you are dumber than Macca said you are.
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Gustav, I know what your getting at, and I can tell you your assumption is bullshit.
You assume I'm saying Palle's patw was the clearest revolution because I am friends with him, and because of his name.
If this is so, you are dumber than Macca said you are.
I am not dumb enough to trust a stoner like him
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Haha
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are 99% of BF filled with people arguing about stupid shit and calling eachother stuff?
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are 99% of BF filled with people arguing about stupid shit and calling eachother stuff?
sir, yes sir
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But Palle doesnt have Skora's style, so stop making pointless comparisons ;)
Palle's video was great quality, and his Patw was the clearest revolution on the ball I have seen (with a Monta ball).
Happy?
agreed u can actually see every revolution go perfectly around the ball irrespective of whether the style was bad on it.
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Well if every revolution is clear, then the style mustnt be that bad, doesnt it? :rolleyes:
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Well if every revolution is clear, then the style mustnt be that bad, doesnt it? :rolleyes:
Style doesn't depend on clearness of revolutions.
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Well if every revolution is clear, then the style mustnt be that bad, doesnt it? :rolleyes:
i dont think the style is bad..but then again i dont think its great ..and thats just my opinion :shoot:
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i rather see a good patw on first try always, with okay style, than a perfect one after 20 athempts...
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i rather see a good patw on first try always, with okay style, than a perfect one after 20 athempts...
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agree with azun ;)