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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: Mr. T on Jan 17, 2009, 02:45: PM
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What do you think happens after your body and brain stops functioning and dies? What happens with the conciousness? Will it just disappear, because the brain dies, or do you think it'll be transfered to a new organism/homo sapiens etc. etc.?
Personally I find it more likely that nothing happens when you're dead (because the conciousness is a function in the brain, and when the brain dies the conciousness does too, etc. etc.). I don't know (obviously, no one does). But I want to know what you guys think about this.
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It's irrelevant. Just make the most out of this life.
But functionally I think not. Our life after death is dictated by the imprint we make during this life -- what we write, do, and say.
I intend to leave volumes of prose and poetry as a testament to my life. That and the memories of those who knew me.
Either that or be immortalized as a legend through some radically awesome death. :pimp:
But I'm more focused on life at the moment.
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well i think it is actually a practical idea that when you die that you are reborn into another organism without even realizing either of the to organisms existed. the everything just goes blank idea is probably the most realistic idea. its just kind of a depressing way to think of it. i'm not trying to sound offensive to anyone who is religious with this next statement. the most unrealistic idea is probably the idea that your soul goes to a place like heaven, hell, etc. this just doesn't as probable. anything could be correct, and we won't ever know really.
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Nothing happens.
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i always hoped that we get our concious moved 2 another body without having any rememberance of the past body. it seems stupid but it would be nicer than never existing again. i cant imagine not existing, its just too weird.
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Well, what I believe is that you go nowhere.. as if after die, there's nothing of you, cause the brain dies along with our body, and we are all the memories and decissions that we have taken, which are in the brain.. so as I said, we all might go nowhere after dying..
Hope you get what I'm saying.. it's hard to explain in english :rolleyes:
btw, this is just my point of view, as everyone said, nobody knows the truth
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george s. patton believed in reincarnation. reincarnation ftw
i don't know. i can't say. i'm going to go with nowhere. of course, i'm sure this will change as i grow older and become "more selfish"
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I follow what Islam teaches. every body has a soul
when the body dies, the soul will leave the body. the body will be nothing but a corpse, including the brain etc. then after that, it all depends on what you did in this life. this life is just a test, so if you pass it, then :thumbsup:
if not, then :hello:
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I follow what Islam teaches. every body has a soul
when the body dies, the soul will leave the body. the body will be nothing but a corpse, including the brain etc. then after that, it all depends on what you did in this life. this life is just a test, so if you pass it, then :thumbsup:
if not, then :hello:
haha good use of emoticons.
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I follow what Islam teaches. every body has a soul
when the body dies, the soul will leave the body. the body will be nothing but a corpse, including the brain etc. then after that, it all depends on what you did in this life. this life is just a test, so if you pass it, then :thumbsup:
if not, then :hello:
Haha, I follow my own thoughts. xD
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U need to be dead to know , u can't know it before u are dead
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If you don't believe in consequences after death than why do you follow man made rules and laws?; Instead of living fast and dieing young. If I didn't have my religion I would probably be a criminal making major money. Don't fear other men.
Secondly do you think that all these mass murderers, pedophiles and oppressors in this world will just die and be the same as everyone else? How unfair would that be to everyone else that lived good and righteous.
This life isn't a big game.
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If you don't believe in consequences after death than why do you follow man made rules and laws?; Instead of living fast and dieing young. If I didn't have my religion I would probably be a criminal making major money. Don't fear other men.
Secondly do you think that all these mass murderers, pedophiles and oppressors in this world will just die and be the same as everyone else? How unfair would that be to everyone else that lived good and righteous.
This life isn't a big game.
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:cheers: :thumbsup:
like I said, this life's a test
it's just ppl don't want to believe in the truth
that's one of the reasons for a judgment day, innit? :rolleyes:
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well judgment day depends on belief as well
technically, you shouldn't need an incentive to lead a good life...that means you're not a moral person for morality's sake, but for your own sake.
Read some Immanuel Kant. Although his philosophy of ethics is bogus, he does get a few things right in there. For example: if you're leading a good life with the aim of having a great afterlife (paradise, or whatever you believe), then you're actually leading a self-centered life.
So. Lead a good life for it's own sake. Worry about life after death on your deathbed, or not at all.
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i always hoped that we get our concious moved 2 another body without having any rememberance of the past body. it seems stupid but it would be nicer than never existing again. i cant imagine not existing, its just too weird.
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whenever i think about that i get shit scared hahaha
i fuckin hate thinkin about it as well
just enjoy life coz u might not get another chance
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U need to be dead to know , u can't know it before u are dead
+1
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well judgment day depends on belief as well
technically, you shouldn't need an incentive to lead a good life...that means you're not a moral person for morality's sake, but for your own sake.
Read some Immanuel Kant. Although his philosophy of ethics is bogus, he does get a few things right in there. For example: if you're leading a good life with the aim of having a great afterlife (paradise, or whatever you believe), then you're actually leading a self-centered life.
So. Lead a good life for it's own sake. Worry about life after death on your deathbed, or not at all.
thats how i c very religious ppl. like in my skool (very religious), wen u do something bad they always say...'dont u want 2 go 2 heaven?'
then i feel like thats the only reason these ppl r religious.
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There only one way to find out
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There only one way to find out
I can help you
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i always hoped that we get our concious moved 2 another body without having any rememberance of the past body. it seems stupid but it would be nicer than never existing again. i cant imagine not existing, its just too weird.
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whenever i think about that i get shit scared hahaha
i fuckin hate thinkin about it as well
just enjoy life coz u might not get another chance
You both already did.. before you born lol ;)
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There only one way to find out
I can help you
Anyway you like it
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There only one way to find out
I can help you
Anyway you like it
actually, there are many ways you know....
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There only one way to find out
I can help you
Anyway you like it
actually, there are many ways you know....
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the voices where in norwegian
shit iam gonna try sometime
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
I believe in heaven and hell. But we will never know until that day comes. Obviously.
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
In Islam, Fitrah is the inherent disposition towards virtue in humanity, and what endows people with the ability to differentiate between right and wrong. According to the Quran, it is the original state in which humans are created by Allah (God).
Allah describes the fitrah of the human soul in the Quran by saying: …and by the soul and He who perfected it! Then He inspired to it (the ability to understand) what is good for it and what is evil for it. Successful is he who purifies it, and failure is he who corrupts it.
Muslims believe every child is born with fitrah, including non-Muslims, and that without external influence, these children would come to worship Allah on their own. As such, every child is born Muslim. Prophet Muhammad emphasized this in a hadith where he said: “Every child is born with the believing nature (al-fitra), it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian.”
:thumbsup:
you're jewish, right? so I'm curious as to what the jews believe on this subject about morality.
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
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Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
:lol:
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
As true as that argument may be that is also true when applied against your own argument, and who cares what happens after you die if its nothing its nothing if i go to hell or whatever for not being religious then it'll still be more interesting than nothing so its win-win :thumbsup:
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
As true as that argument may be that is also true when applied against your own argument, and who cares what happens after you die if its nothing its nothing if i go to hell or whatever for not being religious then it'll still be more interesting than nothing so its win-win :thumbsup:
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HAHA!
you've got to be kidding right?
life is not all fun and games
try burning your arm with a weak flame, see if that's interesting enough for you :thumbsup:
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
As true as that argument may be that is also true when applied against your own argument, and who cares what happens after you die if its nothing its nothing if i go to hell or whatever for not being religious then it'll still be more interesting than nothing so its win-win :thumbsup:
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HAHA!
you've got to be kidding right?
life is not all fun and games
try burning your arm with a weak flame, see if that's interesting enough for you :thumbsup:
Yup, imagine burning forever and never dieing.
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Theres nothing wrong with being religious and believing in heaven and hell. If it makes you a better person...than it should be considered a good thing.
Then what is morality? Does in arise as a result of a self-centered fear of purgatpry/ambition for paradise, or as a result of conviction, etc...?
Its us knowing right from wrong. Morality wouldnt exist if there was no God.
thats bullshit. I could posit any number of theories for morality that do not require the existence of a god. A god is an incentive to be moral, and not always the best one.
Yeah you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
As true as that argument may be that is also true when applied against your own argument, and who cares what happens after you die if its nothing its nothing if i go to hell or whatever for not being religious then it'll still be more interesting than nothing so its win-win :thumbsup:
EDIT by mod: bracket added on quoting notation
HAHA!
you've got to be kidding right?
life is not all fun and games
try burning your arm with a weak flame, see if that's interesting enough for you :thumbsup:
Yup, imagine burning forever and never dieing.
and according to Prophet Muhammad, the person with the least punishment will be right on top of the hell fire, but it will be so hot that his brain will be boiling :o
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
may i ask you, do you ever take a thread thats got anything to do with beliefs seriously?
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
may i ask you, do you ever take a thread thats got anything to do with beliefs seriously?
exactly...
+1
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
may i ask you
No you may not
May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
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It's OK not being serious when talking about religion, since religion itself is not a serious matter.
you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
Was that a serious post, or did you just want to be funny?
My guess is you're serious and I'm going to reply in line to that.
A theory is not defined as "something that might just be", it's a conclusion you've come up with after analysis, measurements, logic, etc., etc. A theory is, scientificly speaking, something you use to make something trustworthy, and thus not the opposit. Discarding something because it's based on theories is really one of the worst case scenarios you may experience.
Look here for further reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory .
For me, there's no hell nor heaven. When you die you just stop function and that's end of story.
Why does life have to be fair?
Why are you so afraid of not existing? Not existing must be the coolest way to "be", since you don't exist.
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It's OK not being serious when talking about religion, since religion itself is not a serious matter.
you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
Was that a serious post, or did you just want to be funny?
My guess is you're serious and I'm going to reply in line to that.
A theory is not defined as "something that might just be", it's a conclusion you've come up with after analysis, measurements, logic, etc., etc. A theory is, scientificly speaking, something you use to make something trustworthy, and thus not the opposit. Discarding something because it's based on theories is really one of the worst case scenarios you may experience.
Look here for further reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory .
For me, there's no hell nor heaven. When you die you just stop function and that's end of story.
Why does life have to be fair?
Why are you so afraid of not existing? Not existing must be the coolest way to "be", since you don't exist.
what's your proof?
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what's your proof?
Im not sure, but I thought that was jus his opinion...
And anyways, I cant see how you could have proof either way. (If there is/isnt)
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
may i ask you
No you may not
too late
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It's OK not being serious when talking about religion, since religion itself is not a serious matter.
you could post theories for morality. But in the end they are all just theories...
Was that a serious post, or did you just want to be funny?
My guess is you're serious and I'm going to reply in line to that.
A theory is not defined as "something that might just be", it's a conclusion you've come up with after analysis, measurements, logic, etc., etc. A theory is, scientificly speaking, something you use to make something trustworthy, and thus not the opposit. Discarding something because it's based on theories is really one of the worst case scenarios you may experience.
Look here for further reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory .
For me, there's no hell nor heaven. When you die you just stop function and that's end of story.
Why does life have to be fair?
Why are you so afraid of not existing? Not existing must be the coolest way to "be", since you don't exist.
I wasnt discarding nothing. I love science, so I learn about evolution and why God doesnt exist all the time. But theories are still yet to be proven
Im not scared of not existing...i just believe we go somewhere when we die, whether it be heaven or hell.
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what's your proof?
are you serious? :lol:
I love science, so I learn about evolution and why God doesnt exist all the time
i would argue that your religion makes science say that, not that science necessarily says that god doesn't exist
this word should never make it into a creationism v. other thread
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
may i ask you
No you may not
May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
lol. that would be a crazy combo, but i dont think it will ever be done.
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you dont live after you die. You rot in the ground and eventually become forgotten unless your famous, cause if ur not famous your a nobody and will always be just a bunch of dusty bones rotting in the earth. Your family dosent give a shit about u either, they get over the pain in a year :nopity: fuck you all
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
wouldn't be surprised if you worship a ball
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
wouldn't be surprised if you worship a ball
he worships two. he prefers those in a sack.
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
wouldn't be surprised if you worship a ball
I worship evidence
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off topic: wat is the main religion in poland?
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off topic: wat is the main religion in poland?
something like 95% of Poland is roman-catholic
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off topic: wat is the main religion in poland?
something like 95% of Poland is roman-catholic
Yeh, the other 5% worship 2Pac.
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Yeh, the other 5% worship 2Pac.
Hahaha
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2pac is more real than roman catholicism. Seriously.
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off topic: wat is the main religion in poland?
something like 95% of Poland is roman-catholic
Yeh, the other 5% worship 2Pac.
Ha - ha....
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2pac is more real than roman catholicism. Seriously.
This is actually true. :lol:
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May I ask you where this hell is located? In the inside of the earth?
do u belive that?
Yes of course, and htatw is latw - ahtatw nt
wouldn't be surprised if you worship a ball
I worship evidence
good for you
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I seen a cop walking to the precinct with a paper bag that had a red stamp across it, which read 'evidence'. Pretty sure it wasn't tampered with or any thing, looked like fresh evidence the most solid peace of evidence.
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^^Horrible fucking attempt at a rebuttal. Try again ma dude. If at first you don't succeed, try try try again.
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^^Horrible fucking attempt at a rebuttal. Try again ma dude. If at first you don't succeed, try try try again.
i do believe its
try and try again
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^ well good thing you just believe it, and didn't try and pass it off as fact, because the actually quote ends as just..try, try again. I put 3 trys though cause cigar omar might need another attempt
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i always hoped that we get our concious moved 2 another body without having any rememberance of the past body. it seems stupid but it would be nicer than never existing again. i cant imagine not existing, its just too weird.
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whenever i think about that i get shit scared hahaha
i fuckin hate thinkin about it as well
just enjoy life coz u might not get another chance
You both already did.. before you born lol ;)
you know I completly agree with you.... I hate thinking if we never exist, its fucking strange.... but having hope and faith isn't something you musn't do...
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to end this whole pointless thread... You fucking die, and rot. Thats all. There is no after life. Wanna know how i know? Cause some really good story tellers that got ahold of weak people's minds that were looking for something to believe in, got it twisted and believed they can float in the clouds. The bible is a hoax. A senior citizen grabbing 2 of every animal to fit on an Ark? a brother and sister not fucking but produce mankind? A guy walking on water? A talking snake? When does any of this shit ever happen? Never. Thats when.
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to end this whole pointless thread... You fucking die, and rot. Thats all. There is no after life. Wanna know how i know? Cause some really good story tellers that got ahold of weak people's minds that were looking for something to believe in, got it twisted and believed they can float in the clouds. The bible is a hoax. A senior citizen grabbing 2 of every animal to fit on an Ark? a brother and sister not fucking but produce mankind? A guy walking on water? A talking snake? When does any of this shit ever happen? Never. Thats when.
You'd actually be suprised, I've jus walked on water, talked to Adam & Eve and a snake, then been chillin wit my boy Noah.
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^^ oh shit... for reals? alright, well, i guess i take that back then :dontknow: my bad
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what's your proof?
are you serious? :lol:
I love science, so I learn about evolution and why God doesnt exist all the time
i would argue that your religion makes science say that, not that science necessarily says that god doesn't exist
this word should never make it into a creationism v. other thread
Then why is it taught at all schools and universities around the world.
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regardless of whether or not it agrees with your theory of all things to be theorized about,
Then why is it taught at all schools and universities around the world.
it happens
there's "really" no arguing against evolution
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Evolution is the shitest theory
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evolution is a "fact." populations change over time.
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so great great great grandfather where monkey before that they were birds, fish and so on?
Evolution is nothing more than a theory
so what where Adam and Eve?
the only Evolution thats real is:
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6656/19996471lv1.jpg)
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so great great great grandfather where monkey before that they were birds, fish and so on?
Evolution is nothing more than a theory
so what where Adam and Eve?
the only Evolution thats real is:
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6656/19996471lv1.jpg)
humans my friend :thumbsup:
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:lol:
populations evolve /story. human evolutionary history is less clear in its details, but you cannot argue against the FACT that populations evolve over time
evolution is a fact. there has been NOTHING to indicate otherwise
let me help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
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so what will we humans turn into? monkeys again? :dontknow:
coz we seem to get dumber as time passes
f!@# evolution, only one person evolved from monkeys, that's George Bush :thumbsup: (he really does resemble the face of a monkey)
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here, let me give you something a little easier to digest:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IVADefinition.shtml
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here, let me give you something a little easier to digest:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IVADefinition.shtml
ok I get what you're trying to say :thumbsup:
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so great great great grandfather where monkey before that they were birds, fish and so on?
Evolution is nothing more than a theory
so what where Adam and Eve?
the only Evolution thats real is:
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6656/19996471lv1.jpg)
humans my friend :thumbsup:
forum sarcasm not the best idea :down:
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here, let me give you something a little easier to digest:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IVADefinition.shtml
ok I get what you're trying to say :thumbsup:
probably not. there's really no discernable difference b/w macroevolution and microevolution, and i don't think that an argument for god or your religion is necessarily harmed or defeated by evolution
but, to completely discount the fact that evolution occurs (in whatever form you want it to occur in) is pretty foolish
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
so our ancestors were apes or something? :saywhat:
I won't believe in evolution :thumbsup:
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
so our ancestors were apes or something? :saywhat:
I won't believe in evolution :thumbsup:
and i don't believe in gravity either... and the easter bunny and santa clause are real
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
so our ancestors were apes or something? :saywhat:
I won't believe in evolution :thumbsup:
and i don't believe in gravity either... and the easter bunny and santa clause are real
good for you :thumbsup:
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
Man stands before a door opening onto infinitude that no other creature in the universe can aspire to.
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
monkeys have tails. no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails. we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.
royalfreakiness, i hope ur not serious. evolution is a proven thing, it can even be observed and tracked.
humans are animals. in the grand scheme of things we are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. for that matter, we're no better than the rest of the other organisms like plants, fungi, bacteria, and others.
if anything, survival wise, we're a lot worse than a lot of them.
but we're animals nonetheless. we have cells, we have organs, we have a heart and brain... we ingest other organisms for sustenance and we definitely procreate just like any other animals.
to think we're better and that we're somehow exempt from the laws of evolution, is extremely arrogant and ignorant.
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Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
monkeys have tails. no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails. we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.
royalfreakiness, i hope ur not serious. evolution is a proven thing, it can even be observed and tracked.
humans are animals. in the grand scheme of things we are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. for that matter, we're no better than the rest of the other organisms like plants, fungi, bacteria, and others.
if anything, survival wise, we're a lot worse than a lot of them.
but we're animals nonetheless. we have cells, we have organs, we have a heart and brain... we ingest other organisms for sustenance and we definitely procreate just like any other animals.
to think we're better and that we're somehow exempt from the laws of evolution, is extremely arrogant and ignorant.
yes we are better than them coz we can think logically and we have a choice to be what we want
we are better than pigs, dogs, horses, lions etc
and yes I'm serious
All humans were created separately from any animals
that's what Islam teaches
and Allah told us that we are made in a higher level than even angels (yes we believe in angels)
take it offensively if you want
We were taught that Muslims are the best of creatures (MUSLIMS)
are those of knowledge at the same of those without?
clearly no
Knowledge here meaning Islam
I don't want to believe we've branched out from apes, and I WILL NOT believe it
and I will not believe we are equal to monkeys, cats, fish, elephants.
:thumbsup:
Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
+1
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Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
i like that line :thumbsup:
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
Man stands before a door opening onto infinitude that no other creature in the universe can aspire to.
ah tito, tito, tito...
these quotes do nothing to further your argument....they're just something that some people wrote just like the words I'm writing now
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Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
that IS evolution
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
evolution is a FACT. there is no difference b/w "macro" and "micro" evolution. i think what you're looking for is that "speciation" has never been observed, but it has, both in the laboratory and the field.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
i don't think anyone else is ruling out the possibility. YOUR static worldview is damaged by evolution. evolution doesn't say a damned thing for or against some kind of creator
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Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
that IS evolution
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
evolution is a FACT. there is no difference b/w "macro" and "micro" evolution. i think what you're looking for is that "speciation" has never been observed, but it has, both in the laboratory and the field.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
i don't think anyone else is ruling out the possibility. YOUR static worldview is damaged by evolution. evolution doesn't say a damned thing for or against some kind of creator
Normally I would say something, but I really think mr. burress has said all that needs to be said.
@Royalfreakiness: what perverse deity dictates belief that cages the human mind? The bible and the quran are books just as Ulysses, the Iliad, and Blood Meridian are books. Use your own capacity for language to dictate your mind, stop looking at the world through the eyes of turning pages -- draw your own conclusions, create your own pages.
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we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
monkeys have tails. no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails. we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.
royalfreakiness, i hope ur not serious. evolution is a proven thing, it can even be observed and tracked.
humans are animals. in the grand scheme of things we are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. for that matter, we're no better than the rest of the other organisms like plants, fungi, bacteria, and others.
if anything, survival wise, we're a lot worse than a lot of them.
but we're animals nonetheless. we have cells, we have organs, we have a heart and brain... we ingest other organisms for sustenance and we definitely procreate just like any other animals.
to think we're better and that we're somehow exempt from the laws of evolution, is extremely arrogant and ignorant.
yes we are better than them coz we can think logically and we have a choice to be what we want
we are better than pigs, dogs, horses, lions etc
and yes I'm serious
All humans were created separately from any animals
that's what Islam teaches
and Allah told us that we are made in a higher level than even angels (yes we believe in angels)
take it offensively if you want
We were taught that Muslims are the best of creatures (MUSLIMS)
are those of knowledge at the same of those without?
clearly no
Knowledge here meaning Islam
I don't want to believe we've branched out from apes, and I WILL NOT believe it
and I will not believe we are equal to monkeys, cats, fish, elephants.
:thumbsup:
Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
yes it has.
plus...
we ARE animals. what the fuck do you think we are then?
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Evolution hasnt been observed. An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.
And buress you say variation is evolution. And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory. But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.
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Evolution hasnt been observed. An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.
And buress you say variation is evolution. And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory. But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.
a lot can happen in a few billion years of life.
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Well i dont believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. And if it was than why is there nothing that ages over 6000 years old. No human history i mean. And when i say 6000 years, i actually mean 6000-10000...around there.
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Evolution hasnt been observed
yes, evolution has been observed. in fact, it's been observed with such regularity that it is considered a truth.
An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.
yes, it has. speciation has been documented in both the laboratory and the field
And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory.
this isn't a theory. modern evolutionary synthesis is a theory. evolution is not a theory
But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.
uhh yes, it does
there is no difference between what you consider "variation" ("micro-evolution" -- a relatively outdated term) and "macro-evolution" (large scale evolution)
look, your information comes from the same people who still push vitalism, believe that the earth is 6000 y/o, and dig up relatively arcane terms in a vain attempt to differentiate b/w large-scale change in species and changes within a population. the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming, and in most cases, irrefutable (in cases that it is not, it is generally due to a lack of information, not information to the contrary). these people will continue to stretch their rigid intrepretations of the Bible (a book written 2000 fucking years ago) to their very limit to argue against the very logical and religious-neutral progression of events as described by science (along the same vein of logic, don't pick up the atheist's primer to science either).
pick up a biology textbook, realize that it has NO agenda against your religion, and read through it. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
we're animals, not some extraterrestial being. could we have a god? sure. if he's there, he's beyond reason, and it would be foolish to think that he couldn't have dictated the progression of events that led to the situation as it is.
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Well i dont believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. And if it was than why is there nothing that ages over 6000 years old. No human history i mean. And when i say 6000 years, i actually mean 6000-10000...around there.
theres that nasty word again....belief
I mean, theres all kinds of geological evidence stating that the earth is billions of years old...six thousand years ago, Sumer was flourishing -- 2.5 million years ago homo erectus was doing the same, and 4 000 000 years ago, australopithecus africanus was exhibiting traits that would later define the hominid group, and 6-8 000 000 years ago, ardepithecus ramidus was exhibiting traits that would later define the australopithecine group
Evolution occurs through genetic mutations, natural selection, and sexual selection over a very long period of time. But then, jono/freakiness, I don't doubt that you've ever actually read about evolution, but I will wager that you've read it's refutations...not a good way of going about things, keeping an open mind, etc...
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Well i dont believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. And if it was than why is there nothing that ages over 6000 years old. No human history i mean. And when i say 6000 years, i actually mean 6000-10000...around there.
we've been able to find carbon materials in rocks in greenland, suggesting microscopic life in the precambrian period. only the stupidest of idiots will believe the earth is less than 10 thousand years old.
also, oldest living organism
http://www.extremescience.com/OldestLivingThing.htm
250 million years seem like a lot more than 10 thousand years.
and if you don't count suspended animation as living, there's this.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1064546.html
11 thousand year old bacteria. that's just one generation of organisms.
and that's just for evidence using organisms.
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Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.
that IS evolution
And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.
evolution is a FACT. there is no difference b/w "macro" and "micro" evolution. i think what you're looking for is that "speciation" has never been observed, but it has, both in the laboratory and the field.
You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.
i don't think anyone else is ruling out the possibility. YOUR static worldview is damaged by evolution. evolution doesn't say a damned thing for or against some kind of creator
Normally I would say something, but I really think mr. burress has said all that needs to be said.
@Royalfreakiness: what perverse deity dictates belief that cages the human mind? The bible and the quran are books just as Ulysses, the Iliad, and Blood Meridian are books. Use your own capacity for language to dictate your mind, stop looking at the world through the eyes of turning pages -- draw your own conclusions, create your own pages.
just curious did you read about Evolution or are documentaries different?
we didn't evolve from monkeys. if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years. we share common ancestors with apes.
of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them
go back 30 Million years! How?
monkeys have tails. no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails. we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.
Apples and Pears have alot in common
50 Million years ago Pears use to be apples but with time they evolved into Pears.
Some 'cursed' apples where condemned to a life of circleism
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just curious did you read about Evolution or are documentaries different?
:lol:
yes, guy ritchie is about as reputable as charles darwin. i don't see how you can't see the difference b/w a work of literature and (rigorously repeated--this is key) documented physical observations
it's all a game. mr. gold runs this bitch
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i know a fact when i see one
EVOLUTION is not a fact
its a MYTH
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^^ only reason people evolve is because of interracial sex , ha haaaa yeah :thumbsup:
I love em all, asians, latinas, my east O black honeys, and especially that vanilla na im talking about ?? you know what im sayin right? youknowwhatimsayinman yeee. :3some:
but on the real tip, interracial sex=evolution.
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Apples and Pears have alot in common
50 Million years ago Pears use to be apples but with time they evolved into Pears.
Some 'cursed' apples where condemned to a life of circleism
bhahahahaha
well...according to the bible the earth is 6000 human years old. day 1 wen god created such and such, time(human years) didnt exist. theres nothing that says millions of days past. soz i cant remember how 2 explain it properly, but i think u get wat i mean.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
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Evolution is a damn fact and has been recognised as a fact modern creationist theory does not argue against evolution it argues that god created the first thing that then evolved into something else.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
are you stupid? Those species have already branched off...
@tito: I've read The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins, I've read loads of books on the origin of man (paleo anthropology textbooks, In the Footsteps of Eve -- which is actually not about religion at all), and I've perused On the Origin of the Species :thumbsup:
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I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. We really can't prove how old it is. Saying that I also don't believe my ancestors where Apes, fish or Bacteria its a ludicrous statement. To just assume the earth, the planets and the moon just happened accidentally. Its too complex and perfect of a system, Just looking at the human body is too complex to have happened accidentally.
At the end of the day your quick to dismiss religion as just being 'a theory that someone came up with'. What about all these other theories that are named after the people that came up with them. Aren't they just theories also there is proof of the person came up with it.
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I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. We really can't prove how old it is. Saying that I also don't believe my ancestors where Apes, fish or Bacteria its a ludicrous statement. To just assume the earth, the planets and the moon just happened accidentally. Its too complex and perfect of a system, Just looking at the human body is too complex to have happened accidentally.
At the end of the day your quick to dismiss religion as just being 'a theory that someone came up with'. What about all these other theories that are named after the people that came up with them. Aren't they just theories also there is proof of the person came up with it.
there isn't really any "not-proof" (if i can say this) either. it is what it is.
i agree for the most part
religion isn't theory. a theory is a concept that hasn't been fully verified (which religion can't really be), but if verified would explain phenomena.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
damn brother, i offer tutoring sessions from 5-9pm.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
damn brother, i offer tutoring sessions from 5-9pm.
Hahahahaha I lol'd so hard
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
Lmao :thumbsup:
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
the proof that the internet is full of retards. what u just said is stupid on so many levels.
why bring up rocks? they're not living things. u also need to look up how organisms are classified. kingdom, phylum, order etc. etc. and all that shit.
technically tho, go back far enough and everything in the universe is related to everything else. go back about 15 billion years. and yes, we can prove that this was how it was back then, there is just nothing to prove what caused it before that.
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damn, 32 days in and i already want to throw something up on the 2009 summary.
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I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. We really can't prove how old it is. Saying that I also don't believe my ancestors where Apes, fish or Bacteria its a ludicrous statement. To just assume the earth, the planets and the moon just happened accidentally. Its too complex and perfect of a system, Just looking at the human body is too complex to have happened accidentally.
At the end of the day your quick to dismiss religion as just being 'a theory that someone came up with'. What about all these other theories that are named after the people that came up with them. Aren't they just theories also there is proof of the person came up with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
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As far as i know Banans and humans share a 50-60% similarity in DNA, not sure about dogs though but i'll try and look into it :dontknow: :thumbsup:
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i beleive in no religon, and that we evolved from apes and that everything slowly changed. Also that when u die it's just like sleeping and nothing happens u are not aware of anything since ur brain is not working
or so you think
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I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. We really can't prove how old it is. Saying that I also don't believe my ancestors where Apes, fish or Bacteria its a ludicrous statement. To just assume the earth, the planets and the moon just happened accidentally. Its too complex and perfect of a system, Just looking at the human body is too complex to have happened accidentally.
At the end of the day your quick to dismiss religion as just being 'a theory that someone came up with'. What about all these other theories that are named after the people that came up with them. Aren't they just theories also there is proof of the person came up with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
We can't prove how accurate that really is.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
:lol: Evolution is such a joke aint it :lol:
You are all saying we evolved from something, but wattabout everything else. If evolution is true, we woulda evolved and branched off from the same thing as plants, making us related to them. Rocks being unliving doesnt mean nothing, they woulda had to come from somewhere aswell, they woulda had to evolve from something. This also includes water, air...etc.
When you say it like this it does sound like a joke, cuz the biology books only cover shit on where humans came from. What about everything else in this world?
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Lets just say it all happened accidentally. :lol:
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I don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. We really can't prove how old it is. Saying that I also don't believe my ancestors where Apes, fish or Bacteria its a ludicrous statement. To just assume the earth, the planets and the moon just happened accidentally. Its too complex and perfect of a system, Just looking at the human body is too complex to have happened accidentally.
At the end of the day your quick to dismiss religion as just being 'a theory that someone came up with'. What about all these other theories that are named after the people that came up with them. Aren't they just theories also there is proof of the person came up with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
We can't prove how accurate that really is.
it's accurate ENOUGH to prove earth is older than 6000.
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I said it before I don't believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
:lol: Evolution is such a joke aint it :lol:
You are all saying we evolved from something, but wattabout everything else. If evolution is true, we woulda evolved and branched off from the same thing as plants, making us related to them. Rocks being unliving doesnt mean nothing, they woulda had to come from somewhere aswell, they woulda had to evolve from something. This also includes water, air...etc.
When you say it like this it does sound like a joke, cuz the biology books only cover shit on where humans came from. What about everything else in this world?
evolution is a term that refers to living organisms. non living things don't evolve. non living matter can change in its structure, be broken down or fused together and built up, etc. etc. etc. but they don't evolve because the term doesn't apply to them. non living matter does not live, they do not reproduce, they do not need to survive for anything.
but as i've said if u've had half the brain to look...
go back far enough and everything's related to everything else. we can prove what happened to almost the very beginning of the universe, we just can't prove what happened just before that to cause it.
the bible is a joke. the simple fact that the visible universe is 15 billion light years shatter the "theory" that the universe is 6000 years old.
the bible is a fictional piece of literature that cults worship stupidly. the only good thing it offers, if any, are moral lessons. we don't need the bible for that.
it's useless.
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
:lol:
:lol: Evolution is such a joke aint it :lol:
You are all saying we evolved from something, but wattabout everything else. If evolution is true, we woulda evolved and branched off from the same thing as plants, making us related to them. Rocks being unliving doesnt mean nothing, they woulda had to come from somewhere aswell, they woulda had to evolve from something. This also includes water, air...etc.
When you say it like this it does sound like a joke, cuz the biology books only cover shit on where humans came from. What about everything else in this world?
evolution is a term that refers to living organisms. non living things don't evolve. non living matter can change in its structure, be broken down or fused together and built up, etc. etc. etc. but they don't evolve because the term doesn't apply to them. non living matter does not live, they do not reproduce, they do not need to survive for anything.
but as i've said if u've had half the brain to look...
go back far enough and everything's related to everything else. we can prove what happened to almost the very beginning of the universe, we just can't prove what happened just before that to cause it.
the bible is a joke. the simple fact that the visible universe is 15 billion light years shatter the "theory" that the universe is 6000 years old.
the bible is a fictional piece of literature that cults worship stupidly. the only good thing it offers, if any, are moral lessons. we don't need the bible for that.
it's useless.
Alright then, forgive me for using rocks.
And since i havnt i guess i dont half the brain to look, and nor do you. Show me a chart that shows that plants evolved like us from the same organism we came from.
Stop saying evolution has been proven, it hasnt...
You saying the bible is a joke...for you to believe that we slowly evolved from a small fish into what we now is even more of a joke
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ok believe whatever kind of stupid stone age shit you want but keep it to urself and let the rest of the rational world be.
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:lol: Evolution is such a joke aint it :lol:
You are all saying we evolved from something, but wattabout everything else. If evolution is true, we woulda evolved and branched off from the same thing as plants, making us related to them. Rocks being unliving doesnt mean nothing, they woulda had to come from somewhere aswell, they woulda had to evolve from something. This also includes water, air...etc.
When you say it like this it does sound like a joke, cuz the biology books only cover shit on where humans came from. What about everything else in this world?
i don't really believe in the big bang because of the perfection of our world, etc. i agree with this much. but you are making yourself sound foolish.
we "come" from ribosomoly similar bacteria billions of years ago. the way i see it, honestly, is that our designer created the world and just let it spin.
of course, just because we have similar bone structure, etc. doesn't really prove anything. it's more of an inference. because if there is a god, he may have just wanted to make everything "similar"
so either way, we'll never know. but at least educate yourself about science before you talk about it :thumbsup:
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I said it before I don't believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
me either, it's around 5 billion or so
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
the proof that the internet is full of retards. what u just said is stupid on so many levels.
why bring up rocks? they're not living things. u also need to look up how organisms are classified. kingdom, phylum, order etc. etc. and all that shit.
technically tho, go back far enough and everything in the universe is related to everything else. go back about 15 billion years. and yes, we can prove that this was how it was back then, there is just nothing to prove what caused it before that.
maybe all Biotic Organisms evolved from Abiotic Components
is possibly what Jono meant to put in other word
for all those that believe in Evolution, Why not Reincarnation?
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I get what you mean elias
If we evolved from fish, bacteria...wateva we came from billions and billions years ago. That means trees, plants, the elements etc, would of had to come from the same substance what we evolved from. Does this mean we are related to rocks and trees? Has there been any documentation of a rock evolving into a tree? Or a banana into a dog? Hmmmm....
the proof that the internet is full of retards. what u just said is stupid on so many levels.
why bring up rocks? they're not living things. u also need to look up how organisms are classified. kingdom, phylum, order etc. etc. and all that shit.
technically tho, go back far enough and everything in the universe is related to everything else. go back about 15 billion years. and yes, we can prove that this was how it was back then, there is just nothing to prove what caused it before that.
maybe all Biotic Organisms evolved from Abiotic Components
is possibly what Jono meant to put in other word
for all those that believe in Evolution, Why not Reincarnation?
they're both retarded
is it so hard to believe that humans were created as they are??? :saywhat:
or do we HAVE to believe that the world was created with one organism billions of years ago then everything branched off...
What are we going to evolve into in the future? :dontknow:
or did evolution just stop here, if so, then why??? see, evolution is just a theory and has not been proven.
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exactly my point
why don't you have answer to the tough question or do need to be told by people in Lab Coats
forget sheeps you people more like goats
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maybe all Biotic Organisms evolved from Abiotic Components
is possibly what Jono meant to put in other word
for all those that believe in Evolution, Why not Reincarnation?
now that's arguing smarter than the other idiot. that still wouldn't be called evolution. that's the mystery of the origin of life which of course science cannot claim it knows yet. i think on certain levels tho, it makes sense chemically.'
reincarnation deals with spirits. just as the flying spaghetti monster, it cannot be proven or disproven. i can't claim to believe nor disbelieve in reincarnation.
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or do we HAVE to believe that the world was created with one organism billions of years ago then everything branched off...
What are we going to evolve into in the future? :dontknow:
or did evolution just stop here, if so, then why??? see, evolution is just a theory and has not been proven.
the world was created like this
http://geology.about.com/od/nutshells/a/aa_earthbirth.htm
and we are going to evolve into what we will evolve into, in the future. we can't say what yet because it has never existed yet.
but from my best guess, all humans or at least most of them will probably die before we are able to evolve into another species. overpopulation is doing us in good.
evolution did not stop. it's just very slow. it happens with each successive generations.
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reincarnation deals with spirits. just as the flying spaghetti monster, it cannot be proven or disproven. i can't claim to believe nor disbelieve in reincarnation.
isn't evolution the same :stupid:
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reincarnation deals with spirits. just as the flying spaghetti monster, it cannot be proven or disproven. i can't claim to believe nor disbelieve in reincarnation.
isn't evolution the same :stupid:
we can see genetic variation and adaptation in organisms with very quick life cycles, as we observe them over several generations under specifically controlled circumstances.
that's one actual, tangible evidence among countless others.
reincarnation is something that can never be proven.
evolution is something that can. :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
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Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
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Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
i could say the same to you idiots. there is even less proof the world is 6000 years old, or that we just got here just as we were from the beginning of time.
religion is arrogant and claims absolute truths blindly.
science is humble and what it doesn't know, it doesn't claim to know.
such a fuckin dumbass.
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Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
i could say the same to you idiots. there is even less proof the world is 6000 years old, or that we just got here just as we were from the beginning of time.
religion is arrogant and claims absolute truths blindly.
science is humble and what it doesn't know, it doesn't claim to know.
Go ahead start worshiping Human they seem to know all :lol:
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Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
i could say the same to you idiots. there is even less proof the world is 6000 years old, or that we just got here just as we were from the beginning of time.
religion is arrogant and claims absolute truths blindly.
science is humble and what it doesn't know, it doesn't claim to know.
Go ahead start worshiping Human they seem to know all :lol:
worshipping anything is the first problem.
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Having no direction is problem
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Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
holy shit :lol:
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Having no direction is problem
an absence of worship doesn't constitute an absence of direction.
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an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
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an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
it most certainly does not. worship implies total committment and blind faith to an absolute truth that may or may not be. worship implies surrendering ones own powers and values and it also implies dependency.
that sounds much more like a lack of philosophical understanding and direction to me.
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an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
so, an absence of commiting yourself 100% to something that may not be true (but of course is only by faith) is true philosophical understanding?
you're a slave to something you can't prove, but only rely on faith to believe in. nothing wrong with faith and belief, but when you say worship, you are implying complete and total complience with the divine.
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an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
so, an absence of commiting yourself 100% to something that may not be true (but of course is only by faith) is true philosophical understanding?
you're a slave to something you can't prove, but only rely on faith to believe in. nothing wrong with faith and belief, but when you say worship, you are implying complete and total complience with the divine.
exactly
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an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
it most certainly does not. worship implies total committment and blind faith to an absolute truth that may or may not be. worship implies surrendering ones own powers and values and it also implies dependency.
that sounds much more like a lack of philosophical understanding and direction to me.
to not understand divinity and completely disregard theology
to believe that a creature so unique could evolve from another no so developed and primitive
to consider something as precious and irreplaceable life could be an accident
to not be so faithless and assured to mad made science
etc
sounds much more like a lack of philosophical understanding and direction
an absence of worship does constitute a lack philosophical understanding and direction
so, an absence of commiting yourself 100% to something that may not be true (but of course is only by faith) is true philosophical understanding?
you're a slave to something you can't prove, but only rely on faith to believe in. nothing wrong with faith and belief, but when you say worship, you are implying complete and total complience with the divine.
To go along with what another man creates and implies as fact sound much better
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:lol: Evolution is such a joke aint it :lol:
You are all saying we evolved from something, but wattabout everything else. If evolution is true, we woulda evolved and branched off from the same thing as plants, making us related to them. Rocks being unliving doesnt mean nothing, they woulda had to come from somewhere aswell, they woulda had to evolve from something. This also includes water, air...etc.
When you say it like this it does sound like a joke, cuz the biology books only cover shit on where humans came from. What about everything else in this world?
i don't really believe in the big bang because of the perfection of our world, etc. i agree with this much. but you are making yourself sound foolish.
we "come" from ribosomoly similar bacteria billions of years ago. the way i see it, honestly, is that our designer created the world and just let it spin.
of course, just because we have similar bone structure, etc. doesn't really prove anything. it's more of an inference. because if there is a god, he may have just wanted to make everything "similar"
so either way, we'll never know. but at least educate yourself about science before you talk about it :thumbsup:
This year will be my first year of Medical Science in uni :biggrin:
Okay kiddo
Have you or you scientist ever captured an ape and waited until they evolved into humans
i don't think so
the fact we have some things in common doesn't mean that we evolved from them
why makes you say they haven't evolved from us
make a valid statement child and stop continuously saying such open ended things
WHEN YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE (as you keep saying we) ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE EVOLUTION THEN COME TO ME AND SAY SO
i could say the same to you idiots. there is even less proof the world is 6000 years old, or that we just got here just as we were from the beginning of time.
religion is arrogant and claims absolute truths blindly.
science is humble and what it doesn't know, it doesn't claim to know.
Go ahead start worshiping Human they seem to know all :lol:
worshipping anything is the first problem.
And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
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to not understand divinity and completely disregard theology
to believe that a creature so unique could evolve from another no so developed and primitive
to consider something as precious and irreplaceable life could be an accident
to not be so faithless and assured to mad made science
etc
we are not that unique. if you understood anything about what we are u would not say that. and the word primitive shouldn't carry the negative connotations you imply.
i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
and for ur information, all religious beliefs are also man made, therefore imperfect.
but religious beliefs are extremely arrogant and dogmatic. it doesn't have any flexibility.
science isn't a thing, but a process. it is a study of. what we don't know, we don't know. what we might know, we might know. what we know, we know.
unlike some things i know that thinks it knows what it doesn't know.
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And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
i wouldn't be so narrowminded as to worship anything. and i don't have to defend it for it to be true.
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we are not that unique. if you understood anything about what we are u would not say that. and the word primitive shouldn't carry the negative connotations you imply.
Primitive: very simple in design: crudely simple in design or construction
i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
and for ur information, all religious beliefs are also man made, therefore imperfect.
but religious beliefs are extremely arrogant and dogmatic. it doesn't have any flexibility.
Wait up son not all
you obviously need to get your facts right
And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
i wouldn't be so narrowminded as to worship anything. and i don't have to defend it for it to be true.
hahahahaha
argument over
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we are not that unique. if you understood anything about what we are u would not say that. and the word primitive shouldn't carry the negative connotations you imply.
Primitive: very simple in design: crudely simple in design or construction
i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
and for ur information, all religious beliefs are also man made, therefore imperfect.
but religious beliefs are extremely arrogant and dogmatic. it doesn't have any flexibility.
Wait up son not all
you obviously need to get your facts right
And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
i wouldn't be so narrowminded as to worship anything. and i don't have to defend it for it to be true.
hahahahaha
argument over
this is why a lot of forums don't allow these types of discussions. it attracts all the biggest idiots that have no clue what they're talking about, like you.
argument over indeed, i've wasted way too much time on this shit. you believe what you want, i believe what i want. done deal.
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i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
just as the name implies, it's a theory...it means that we are trying to find the answers of how the earth and the universe was formed. now, i don't really believe in it, but i think its a bit rediculous to disrespect the fact that we are trying to find the answers.
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i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
just as the name implies, it's a theory...it means that we are trying to find the answers of how the earth and the universe was formed. now, i don't really believe in it, but i think its a bit rediculous to disrespect the fact that we are trying to find the answers.
Evolution is just as much of an theory as that
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we are not that unique. if you understood anything about what we are u would not say that. and the word primitive shouldn't carry the negative connotations you imply.
Primitive: very simple in design: crudely simple in design or construction
i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
and for ur information, all religious beliefs are also man made, therefore imperfect.
but religious beliefs are extremely arrogant and dogmatic. it doesn't have any flexibility.
Wait up son not all
you obviously need to get your facts right
And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
i wouldn't be so narrowminded as to worship anything. and i don't have to defend it for it to be true.
hahahahaha
argument over
this is why a lot of forums don't allow these types of discussions. it attracts all the biggest idiots that have no clue what they're talking about, like you.
argument over indeed, i've wasted way too much time on this shit. you believe what you want, i believe what i want. done deal.
Yeah it also attracts the forums most disrespectful members who think they know everything about everything. I dont need to point fingers.
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i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
just as the name implies, it's a theory...it means that we are trying to find the answers of how the earth and the universe was formed. now, i don't really believe in it, but i think its a bit rediculous to disrespect the fact that we are trying to find the answers.
Evolution is just as much of an theory as that
u shud read up a bit on bio and physics before u start blabbing away like a retard.
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we are not that unique. if you understood anything about what we are u would not say that. and the word primitive shouldn't carry the negative connotations you imply.
Primitive: very simple in design: crudely simple in design or construction
i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
and for ur information, all religious beliefs are also man made, therefore imperfect.
but religious beliefs are extremely arrogant and dogmatic. it doesn't have any flexibility.
Wait up son not all
you obviously need to get your facts right
And your not worshipping evolution? The way your so eager and quick to defend it demonstrates that you are.
i wouldn't be so narrowminded as to worship anything. and i don't have to defend it for it to be true.
hahahahaha
argument over
this is why a lot of forums don't allow these types of discussions. it attracts all the biggest idiots that have no clue what they're talking about, like you.
argument over indeed, i've wasted way too much time on this shit. you believe what you want, i believe what i want. done deal.
Yeah it also attracts the forums most disrespectful members who think they know everything about everything. I dont need to point fingers.
yea like you and tito.
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@ tito:
Evolution has a lot of holes in it. At the same time, it has plenty of answers as well. If you can believe in the quaran, which is just a book written by who knows, then why is it so hard to accept some scientific facts? let me guess, it's propaganda :lol:
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i am yet to see any hardcore evidence child of evolution
@ Anzmagic:
i'll worship my religion you worship your science
cool?
@ tito:
Evolution has a lot of holes in it. At the same time, it has plenty of answers as well. If you can believe in the quaran, which is just a book written by who knows, then why is it so hard to accept some scientific facts? let me guess, it's propaganda :lol:
does the quran have any hole?
nah didn't think so major
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@ tito:
Evolution has a lot of holes in it. At the same time, it has plenty of answers as well. If you can believe in the quaran, which is just a book written by who knows, then why is it so hard to accept some scientific facts? let me guess, it's propaganda :lol:
does the quran have any hole?
nah didn't think so major
who wrote it?
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It was revelation
and its beauty and flawlessness proves it divinity
also many have tried to immolate it
you think they succeeded?
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who wrote it?
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@ Anzmagic:
i'll worship my religion you worship your science
cool?
as long as u don't refer to science as if it's a concrete set of ideas or a "thing" and as along as you don't say that i "worship" it.
they're both man made things in the end. religion represents the wishful thinking, hopeful side of humankind and science represents rational thinkers who study thing. science is a study of.
there are good and bad to both sides, but ideologically, i've chosen what makes most sense to me.
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@ Anzmagic:
i'll worship my religion you worship your science
cool?
as long as u don't refer to science as if it's a concrete set of ideas or a "thing" and as along as you don't say that i "worship" it.
they're both man made things in the end. religion represents the wishful thinking, hopeful side of humankind and science represents rational thinkers who study thing. science is a study of.
there are good and bad to both sides, but ideologically, i've chosen what makes most sense to me.
what you say boss
who wrote it?
its the words of God
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its the words of God
You sure?
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its the words of God
You sure?
100%
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it's funny how there are no wars over the concept of evolution :biggrin:
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its the words of God
You sure?
100%
there's not one thing to prove that for sure.
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if you're going to say you're done arguing, then be done arguing :cursing:
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if you're going to say you're done arguing, then be done arguing :cursing:
yup i was thinkin the same thing
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if you're going to say you're done arguing, then be done arguing :cursing:
you got it
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it's funny how there are no wars over the concept of evolution :biggrin:
it's funny how all the wars are started by non-muslim countries who them make Muslims look like the aggressors and sheeps follow the Shepard
it's funny how the media have programed into the head of many to associate the words terrorist to Islam and arabs
it's funny how Islam is a religion of peace but the media and WEST modify it be one of peace
Alot of funny thing but sadly none of them make me luagh
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it's funny how there are no wars over the concept of evolution :biggrin:
it's funny how all the wars are started by non-muslim countries who them make Muslims look like the aggressors and sheeps follow the Shepard
it's funny how the media have programed into the head of many to associate the words terrorist to Islam and arabs
it's funny how Islam is a religion of peace but the media and WEST modify it be one of peace
Alot of funny thing but sadly none of them make me luagh
that has nothing to do with what he was talking about.
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it's funny how there are no wars over the concept of evolution :biggrin:
it's funny how all the wars are started by non-muslim countries who them make Muslims look like the aggressors and sheeps follow the Shepard
it's funny how the media have programed into the head of many to associate the words terrorist to Islam and arabs
it's funny how Islam is a religion of peace but the media and WEST modify it be one of peace
Alot of funny thing but sadly none of them make me luagh
that has nothing to do with what he was talking about.
you have nothing to do with this argument
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what were you talking about tito.....i think you got a little emotional for no reason :lol:
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it's funny how there are no wars over the concept of evolution :biggrin:
it's funny how all the wars are started by non-muslim countries who them make Muslims look like the aggressors and sheeps follow the Shepard
it's funny how the media have programed into the head of many to associate the words terrorist to Islam and arabs
it's funny how Islam is a religion of peace but the media and WEST modify it be one of peace
Alot of funny thing but sadly none of them make me luagh
that has nothing to do with what he was talking about.
it does actually
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whatever you kids say then
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neh. tito is talking about people shitting on islam. i don't think i was shitting on islam :dontknow:
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well that kinda sounded like you were :dontknow:
but i'm not one who does personal attacks
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neh. tito is talking about people shitting on islam. i don't think i was shitting on islam :dontknow:
i thought he was just bringing in the other side of the argument. As you brought in evo :dontknow:
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too much confusion :lol:
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well that kinda sounded like you were :dontknow:
but i'm not one who does personal attacks
peronal, nope. religions in general, yes.
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religion is the opiate of the masses
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please do go on :rolleyes:
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oh lord, i wasn't thinking that much into it :down:
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please do go on :rolleyes:
got nothing more to say on that. just wanted to see you chew on that shit for a while.
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you ppl still think the Qur'an was written
we give you the answer, you still close your minds
we believe it's Allah's words sent down to Prophet Muhammad through Angel Jibreel
then later, it was written down by Companions of the Prophet so it won't be lost
2 of the thousand proofs that the Qur'an was the word of God:
1. Allah challenged every creature to make a book like the Qur'an
then create a chapter like any of the Qur'an
then create a chapter like the smallest chapter (which consists of three small verses)
then create a VERSE like any
until now, nothing was successful, ppl have been trying to challenge it for more than 1400 years till now
2. Allah has promised to keep the Qur'an safe from distortion
(it's still as it is) :thumbsup:
and btw, many have tried to scientifically prove that the Qur'an is scientifically incorrect
and... you all know what happened...
they failed miserably
just look at that faggot professor William Campbell when he tried to prove the Qur'an is a fake when he challenged Dr. Zakir Naik
he ended up swallowing his own saliva and ended with errrs....
:lol:
and other ppl tried to challenge Zakir Naik saying that Islam is a wrong religion, they all ended up like :-[
And Zakir Naik is just a fellow preacher, he's not the most knowledgeable in Islam... so...
you might try to make a fool of us on here but not Islam :thumbsup:
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another fact that the Quran has been preserved in its original form for so long and all over
should be another miracle to prove its holiness
and The Well of Zamzam should be the 8th Wonder of the World
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another fact that the Quran has been preserved in its original form for so long and all over
should be another miracle to prove its holiness
and The Well of Zamzam should be the 8th Wonder of the World
Well i wouldn't be entirley sure about that i mean it is an amazing claim to make and most likely in my mind untrue.
Lets take for example the first of what i call changes or possible changes to the Quran, the killing of many of the companions in the Rida, this even if there were many companions must have surely lead to some kind of knowledge gap between the original teachings and what was memorised by the companions.
Second the compiling of the first written Quran by caliph Uthman (may be wrong about it being first written but its the roots for the modern Qurani believe) Caliph Uthman collected together all variations of the Quaran which he deemed unacceptable etc and burnt them, now he may have done this to preserve the original ideas who knows.
Thirdly this quote "owing to the fact that the kufic script in which the Koran was originally written contained no indication of vowels or diacritical points, variant readings are recognized by Muslims as of equal authority." (N.J. Dawood, The Koran, Middlesex, England: Penguin Books, 1983, p 10, introduction to Dawood’s translation of the Koran)
this quote "the Reading of Abu `Amr in the version of al-Duri ... prevails in the Sudan, Nigeria, and Central Africa." (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran: A History of the First Recorded Version, tr. B. Weis, et al, Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, 1975, p. 84)
Now im not saying that the Quran has been changed i just take offense when Muslims claim it has obviously neve ever been modified in any way.
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who wrote it?
How about you go read about who wrote it.
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i never said it was an accident. science never says it was an accident. nobody said that.
So whats the Big Bang theory
just as the name implies, it's a theory...it means that we are trying to find the answers of how the earth and the universe was formed. now, i don't really believe in it, but i think its a bit rediculous to disrespect the fact that we are trying to find the answers.
Evolution is just as much of an theory as that
no, no it's not. i posted an article addressing that.
i've directly referenced evidence of speciation. if you want, i can find you evidence of one species turning into one or more different species.
Evolution has a lot of holes in it.
evolution itself? no discernable holes. you run into problems when you start trying to piece the fossil record together/try to explain the causes behind evolution.
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another fact that the Quran has been preserved in its original form for so long and all over
should be another miracle to prove its holiness
and The Well of Zamzam should be the 8th Wonder of the World
Well i wouldn't be entirley sure about that i mean it is an amazing claim to make and most likely in my mind untrue.
Lets take for example the first of what i call changes or possible changes to the Quran, the killing of many of the companions in the Rida, this even if there were many companions must have surely lead to some kind of knowledge gap between the original teachings and what was memorised by the companions.
Second the compiling of the first written Quran by caliph Uthman (may be wrong about it being first written but its the roots for the modern Qurani believe) Caliph Uthman collected together all variations of the Quaran which he deemed unacceptable etc and burnt them, now he may have done this to preserve the original ideas who knows.
Thirdly this quote "owing to the fact that the kufic script in which the Koran was originally written contained no indication of vowels or diacritical points, variant readings are recognized by Muslims as of equal authority." (N.J. Dawood, The Koran, Middlesex, England: Penguin Books, 1983, p 10, introduction to Dawood’s translation of the Koran)
this quote "the Reading of Abu `Amr in the version of al-Duri ... prevails in the Sudan, Nigeria, and Central Africa." (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran: A History of the First Recorded Version, tr. B. Weis, et al, Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, 1975, p. 84)
Now im not saying that the Quran has been changed i just take offense when Muslims claim it has obviously neve ever been modified in any way.
there was an original Qur'an written at the time of Abu Bakr
Abu Bakr appointed Zayd ibn Thabit to collect the proper verses
Zayd was one of the few who were literate, he memorized the whole Qur'an during the Prophet's time, and he used to write down verses of the Qur'an while the Prophet recited it to him
Zayd went around to collect proper verses, if it was the same as his then he would record it
so I don't think there would be any mistake in it
and plus, Allah has promised to keep it as it is till the end of time, and so far no change to it. I mean if no one was able to change it during the 1400 years, then I don't believe the ppl who memorized it will forget any of the Qur'an in like 5 years after the Prophet died, coz they used to read it every day
it would stay in their hearts
that's another miracle of the Qur'an, it was made to be easily memorized, and it is easy :biggrin:
and back to evolution, I'm still not convinced (even by a tiny bit) that it's a fact. it's all :bs:
do you ppl think that either we will be extinct or we will keep evolving until we're some sort of homo-faggotaurus or something :dontknow:
coz I believe in an end of time, the 2nd coming of the Isa (Jesus) and the false Messiah, when everything will die, this earth will be turned to dust and then the day of Judgement
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Don't waste your time with ignorant masses. The Quran can easily be memorized. I know ordinary dudes who know the whole Quran by heart and they don't read it no where near a daily basis. At some points I memorized 7 parts out of the 30 its not that hard...... Don't forget I'm not even from an Arabic speaking background.
Secondly we don't disagree with evaluation all together of course organisms have to adapt and evolve over a very long period of time in order to survive. Evolution can be looked at as a means by which Allah diversifies life on earth. Allah alone, for instance, causes a nucleotide base to be deleted or added in a DNA sequence, thereby causing a frame shift mutation, which leads to the birth of a new species, which represents an evolutionary superior to its genetic predecessor, which passes on its DNA to its progeny, which results in a subsequent mutation, ad infinitum. Allah not only starts this process but He also sustains and directs every second of its execution and development. Islam does not reject aspects of Evolution.
But an Ape evolving into a human being please don't waste my time with that crap.
If Darwin was correct than how come we humans still haven't develop into something more intelligent and physically different than we are today?..... Humans have been around for a very very long time now. How come we haven't evolved further?? Smarten up.
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But an Ape evolving into a human being please don't waste my time with that crap.
but, when you observe physical evidence and see that the logical progression of things would point in that direction, why not call a spade a fucking spade? it's not like we're some perfect organism. we're inefficient to the max on almost every level.
(http://www.tmxclan.com/BlueRedPill.jpg)
If Darwin was correct than how come we humans still haven't develop into something more intelligent and physically different than we are today?..... Humans have been around for a very very long time now. How come we haven't evolved further?? Smarten up
we've only been around for 160 000 years. that's just a blip in evolutionary history. although, we are markedly different from the first humans (which you have addressed, but let me say again, there is no difference b/w "microevolution--which you have described" and "macroevolution")
even if we haven't "evolved," there have been well documented cases of speciation--new species being formed
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well i remain skeptical about the Quran remaining completley unchanged in much teh same way as you reamin skeptical about evolution, but im not really too fussed so i'll just agree to disagree
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even if we haven't "evolved," there have been well documented cases of speciation--new species being formed
found
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Don't waste your time with ignorant masses. The Quran can easily be memorized. I know ordinary dudes who know the whole Quran by heart and they don't read it no where near a daily basis. At some points I memorized 7 parts out of the 30 its not that hard...... Don't forget I'm not even from an Arabic speaking background.
Secondly we don't disagree with evaluation all together of course organisms have to adapt and evolve over a very long period of time in order to survive. Evolution can be looked at as a means by which Allah diversifies life on earth. Allah alone, for instance, causes a nucleotide base to be deleted or added in a DNA sequence, thereby causing a frame shift mutation, which leads to the birth of a new species, which represents an evolutionary superior to its genetic predecessor, which passes on its DNA to its progeny, which results in a subsequent mutation, ad infinitum. Allah not only starts this process but He also sustains and directs every second of its execution and development. Islam does not reject aspects of Evolution.
But an Ape evolving into a human being please don't waste my time with that crap.
If Darwin was correct than how come we humans still haven't develop into something more intelligent and physically different than we are today?..... Humans have been around for a very very long time now. How come we haven't evolved further?? Smarten up.
humans have been around for 10 thousand years. that's not even a blink of an eye in the timeline of life on earth. before you accept or reject anything, understand it completely first.
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you ppl still think the Qur'an was written
we give you the answer, you still close your minds
:lol: :lol:
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even if we haven't "evolved," there have been well documented cases of speciation--new species being formed
found
somebody must have snuck that shit into the lab
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even if we haven't "evolved," there have been well documented cases of speciation--new species being formed
found
somebody must have snuck that shit into the lab
New species like what?
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
5.0
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910.html
more
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The new species it talks of is hybrids, crossing two different species. Just the same as a mule where you cross a donkey with a horse. They cannot produce offspring though. It doesnt talk about new species that arose in the environment from evolution... This is just scientists crossing organisms to see what they get.
Forgive me if i missed an area where they could.
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Forgive me if i missed an area where they could.
you did. 5.2ish on = plants w/o hybridization
Just the same as a mule where you cross a donkey with a horse.
mules are sterile. most of these listed aren't
This is just scientists crossing organisms to see what they get.
most of these aren't
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the only problem with bringing in this link, conner, is that these concepts aren't readily understandible, where i'm sure you don't even have a full grasp of it all. so yes, there is a lot of evidence to prove various different things, but it's not so black and white to where we can understand exactly what it means.
and i think a big reason why people reject some scientific findings is that they don't want to try to understand or they think scientists act in an overly esoteric way, so they just block it all out.
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the only problem with bringing in this link, conner, is that these concepts aren't readily understandible, where i'm sure you don't even have a full grasp of it all. so yes, there is a lot of evidence to prove various different things, but it's not so black and white to where we can understand exactly what it means.
yeah, but this isn't something that i'm overwhelmingly interested in (or know an overwhelming amount of shit about). so, i can't really be fucked to dig up a bunch of shit.
these are pretty easy, and if they aren't, it's pretty easy to look up what's in question.
the information is out there, and if it's not, it's a short trip to the library away. i posted a pretty basic primer on evolution earlier that included a few basic examples of speciation, or speciation set in motion.
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of course, and i think that everyone should read into these matters. i used to brush science away [i never worshiped a book though] but with research and reading i find that it's not very farfetched at all that intelligent design, or god, can co-exist with evolution.
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of course, and i think that everyone should read into these matters. i used to brush science away [i never worshiped a book though] but with research and reading i find that it's not very farfetched at all that intelligent design, or god, can co-exist with evolution.
People worship books these days?
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then i guess you don't worship the words of your god? interesting :down:
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I worship god. Not his words.
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well fuck, you're the one who memorized them :bowdown:
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The Quran = Devin guidance and direction for mankind. Not to be worshiped.
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
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Hahahaha
Impossible you can't be a Muslim and worship anything else besides god and god alone.
A year ago I was working next to the church of Scientology. So I decided to drop in one day and have a healthy religious discussion with one of the officials inside. He told me he knows a Muslim/Scientology family. I couldn't help but laugh.
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Hahahaha
Impossible you can't be a Muslim and worship anything else besides god and god alone.
A year ago I was working next to the church of Scientology. So I decided to drop in one day and have a healthy religious discussion with one of the officials inside. He told me he knows a Muslim/Scientology family. I couldn't help but laugh.
Did he also tell you about the christian jedi knight family?
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Forgive me if i missed an area where they could.
you did. 5.2ish on = plants w/o hybridization
Just the same as a mule where you cross a donkey with a horse.
mules are sterile. most of these listed aren't
This is just scientists crossing organisms to see what they get.
most of these aren't
Most of the ones i saw were hybrids that were either deformed or sterile.
And just to add...just because there are things in science that go against what i believe, dont mean i dont like to learn about it. I really do enjoy learnin about science.
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Hahahaha
Impossible you can't be a Muslim and worship anything else besides god and god alone.
A year ago I was working next to the church of Scientology. So I decided to drop in one day and have a healthy religious discussion with one of the officials inside. He told me he knows a Muslim/Scientology family. I couldn't help but laugh.
Did he also tell you about the christian jedi knight family?
I met them. I bet you didn't know the dad was black.
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Most of the ones i saw were hybrids that were either deformed or sterile.
parts of 5.0, but 5.1-on was probably more of what you were looking for.
don't let the information i quickly found on google hold you back. just google and read. the textbook laboratory example is on the berkeley link i posted earlier.
A year ago I was working next to the church of Scientology. So I decided to drop in one day and have a healthy religious discussion with one of the officials inside. He told me he knows a Muslim/Scientology family. I couldn't help but laugh.
seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_ron_hubbard
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Most of the ones i saw were hybrids that were either deformed or sterile.
parts of 5.0, but 5.1-on was probably more of what you were looking for.
don't let the information i quickly found on google hold you back. just google and read. the textbook laboratory example is on the berkeley link i posted earlier.
A year ago I was working next to the church of Scientology. So I decided to drop in one day and have a healthy religious discussion with one of the officials inside. He told me he knows a Muslim/Scientology family. I couldn't help but laugh.
seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_ron_hubbard
Il check it out
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
why would i lie?
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
why would i lie?
it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
why would i lie?
it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.
lol, thats the point, having faith in wat u believe in...
worlds stupidest discussion happend in this thread, beliefs vs beliefs, so stupid.
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
why would i lie?
it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.
thats the whole meaning of faith
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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..
why would i lie?
it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.
thats the whole meaning of faith
that's why i said it's ok :thumbsup:
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wooowwwwwwww I just came back from a three day trip, and some of the shit said in here is absolutely retarded :lol:
Starting off, everyone who assumes tenets to evolution wrongly (aka jono and tito) clearly knows nothing about the actual facts and have a completely one-sided point of view, thereby rendering anything they say as verbal diarrhea. I mean, I didn't know that people like you even existed :lol:
@Jono, if you're in 1st year medsci and you still don't understand evolution, then I can understand why our healthcare system is so bad, I mean, god DAYUMMM
I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:
a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?
Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?
Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.
thats a start...
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I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:
a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?
Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?
Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.
thats a start...
firstly, point to me the holes in Qur'an
tell me the wrongs of it
prove to me that it's scientifically wrong
come on, I'm waiting
2ndly, I don't see any problem with saying my way is correct, yours is wrong
or are you trying to say that Christians and Jews say that everyone will go to heaven?
there's only one right path
and that's why a Muslim says he's on the right path by following Islam, and a christian says the same about christianity, and same with a Jew and Judaism
so I see no problem in saying my path is right, yours is wrong
and BTW, I laugh at you, coz you always think you're like the wisest one on here
:lol:
as if you've studied everything in life
come on, go study about your religion first properly :thumbsup:
and yes, I have been exposed to many of the other cultures
and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were), point out the coming of the last Prophet (Muhammad) and one God.
go read the Vedas of the Hindus, it describes the coming of Prophet Muhammad
talks about his mother, his father, the land where he will be born etc...
you always think Muslims are not learned ppl, like we blindly follow Islam...
there are a lot of Scientists (atheists and others) who while studying science and Islam, reverted to Islam
I'm hoping one day through your studies you'll be like them or at least think differently about us :thumbsup:
lastly, stop saying that the Qur'an was a copy of the Bible... please just stop, ok.... you have NO proof at all that it was, it's only wishful thinking
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I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:
a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?
Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?
Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.
thats a start...
firstly, point to me the holes in Qur'an
tell me the wrongs of it
prove to me that it's scientifically wrong
come on, I'm waiting
2ndly, I don't see any problem with saying my way is correct, yours is wrong
or are you trying to say that Christians and Jews say that everyone will go to heaven?
there's only one right path
and that's why a Muslim says he's on the right path by following Islam, and a christian says the same about christianity, and same with a Jew and Judaism
so I see no problem in saying my path is right, yours is wrong
and BTW, I laugh at you, coz you always think you're like the wisest one on here
:lol:
as if you've studied everything in life
come on, go study about your religion first properly :thumbsup:
and yes, I have been exposed to many of the other cultures
and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were), point out the coming of the last Prophet (Muhammad) and one God.
go read the Vedas of the Hindus, it describes the coming of Prophet Muhammad
talks about his mother, his father, the land where he will be born etc...
you always think Muslims are not learned ppl, like we blindly follow Islam...
there are a lot of Scientists (atheists and others) who while studying science and Islam, reverted to Islam
I'm hoping one day through your studies you'll be like them or at least think differently about us :thumbsup:
lastly, stop saying that the Qur'an was a copy of the Bible... please just stop, ok.... you have NO proof at all that it was, it's only wishful thinking
dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
so many assumptions
does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...
also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
so many assumptions
does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...
also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview
I don't "assume" that Allah exists, or that the Qur'an is the Word of God
I know that they are true
that's what faith is all about
there is no room for doubt
and don't tell me this is blind following
there's a lot of proof in the Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet to believe that what I'm following is true
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wooowwwwwwww I just came back from a three day trip, and some of the shit said in here is absolutely retarded :lol:
Starting off, everyone who assumes tenets to evolution wrongly (aka jono and tito) clearly knows nothing about the actual facts and have a completely one-sided point of view, thereby rendering anything they say as verbal diarrhea. I mean, I didn't know that people like you even existed :lol:
@Jono, if you're in 1st year medsci and you still don't understand evolution, then I can understand why our healthcare system is so bad, I mean, god DAYUMMM
I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:
a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?
Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?
Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.
thats a start...
Oh now your playing a dangerous game. Go on clever boy show me a single hole. I challenge you.
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wooowwwwwwww I just came back from a three day trip, and some of the shit said in here is absolutely retarded :lol:
Starting off, everyone who assumes tenets to evolution wrongly (aka jono and tito) clearly knows nothing about the actual facts and have a completely one-sided point of view, thereby rendering anything they say as verbal diarrhea. I mean, I didn't know that people like you even existed :lol:
@Jono, if you're in 1st year medsci and you still don't understand evolution, then I can understand why our healthcare system is so bad, I mean, god DAYUMMM
I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:
a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?
Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?
Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.
thats a start...
Oh now your playing a dangerous game. Go on clever boy show me a single hole. I challenge you.
for more than 1400 years that's what non-Muslims have been trying to do
what makes this retard think he can prove the Qur'an false when he doesn't even have a copy of it...
he doesn't even know what lies in it... he doesn't even know how it started, coz he still thinks Prophet Muhammad had a bible next to him and thought of ways to make a nice bed time story with good etiquettes and ways to live a life...
come on professor, any proof? hmm?? if you care so much to make us lead a "free" way of life, go get yourself a copy of the translation of the Qur'an, put it next to great science books and religious text, then see how "false" the Qur'an is, or look for "holes"
I dare you and the WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING THE UNSEEN. that's Allah's and the Muslims' challenge to all of you ppl who still doubt the Truth of the Qur'an
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
so many assumptions
does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...
also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview
I don't "assume" that Allah exists, or that the Qur'an is the Word of God
I know that they are true
that's what faith is all about
there is no room for doubt
and don't tell me this is blind following
there's a lot of proof in the Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet to believe that what I'm following is true
It's not proof...I mean you need to have logically established the existence of a god for yourself in order not to be a blind believer...I mean I am very poetically inclined, so you might think that I'd believe in a god, and I've fluctuated in and out of belief for years. But the one thing I know for sure is the supremacy of words that create the conception of a god within the bible, within the q'uran, within our minds, within our poetry...we are the creators, god or no
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If he knew anything about the Quran he wouldn't be saying the bible influenced the Quran. Because the Quran states that the Bible was also the word of God before parts of it had been modified.. So ofcourse there is going to be similarities.
Don't attack something you know nothing about.
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
so many assumptions
does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...
also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview
I don't "assume" that Allah exists, or that the Qur'an is the Word of God
I know that they are true
that's what faith is all about
there is no room for doubt
and don't tell me this is blind following
there's a lot of proof in the Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet to believe that what I'm following is true
It's not proof...I mean you need to have logically established the existence of a god for yourself in order not to be a blind believer...I mean I am very poetically inclined, so you might think that I'd believe in a god, and I've fluctuated in and out of belief for years. But the one thing I know for sure is the supremacy of words that create the conception of a god within the bible, within the q'uran, within our minds, within our poetry...we are the creators, god or no
you still believe that someone from this world created the Qur'an
I won't reply to any of your comments about the Qur'an....
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alright break it up break it up...
tf10, you're a fool for insulting the quran. why? because with regard to thier belief, you probably couldn't show them a hole (and i'm assuming this because you still havn't done so). i also don't know why you've come here to attack them, or Jews, about thier beliefs..
now, granted, you're right to say that there is an imbalance in a biased and one sided view point. and you're also right to say that tito and royal are speaking rather narrow mindedly. that being said, the concept of faith (in a certain religion and god [islam, allah]) for the truely devoted means that they fully stand by what they believe in.
and with this being said, if thier religion teaches the understanding that allah created the quran, then why fight it? why fight the "holes" that you claim to be able to find? even if you could find them, are you out here to convert them into whatever it is you believe in?
fighting religion with science is one of the weirdest things to do; and of course the many concrete and some implied evidences of science are hard to be disproven, but the way i see it now, is to just let it go homie, because they are instilled to believe that there is no god but allah, and mohamed is his prophet.
oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
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oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
Im startin my 1st year this year...what i know about evolution is what i know from high school. And why would i bother explaining evolution in this debate when i believe in God.
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oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
Im startin my 1st year this year...what i know about evolution is what i know from high school. And why would i bother explaining evolution in this debate when i believe in God.
i'm not familiar with how it works in (wherever you are from), but here you usually go to University first to get a degree in biological sciences, chemistry, etc. and you learn about a LOT of things (ecology and evolution included)
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the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible.
oh puh-lease. first thing, dont use the word fuck in the same sentence as any holy book. thats just rude.
i want 2 hear of these holes in the bible. i use 2 try 2 find holes in the bible too, but my teacher always had somthing.
so, go 4 it, unless ur willing 2 take back that remark.
and it doesnt matter who rote it physically, it matters that its still the word of God. yes, in the NKJ version of the bible, 7 chapters r excluded, but there r still recognised that they were taken out to all religious ppl.
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alright break it up break it up...
tf10, you're a fool for insulting the quran. why? because with regard to thier belief, you probably couldn't show them a hole (and i'm assuming this because you still havn't done so). i also don't know why you've come here to attack them, or Jews, about thier beliefs..
now, granted, you're right to say that there is an imbalance in a biased and one sided view point. and you're also right to say that tito and royal are speaking rather narrow mindedly. that being said, the concept of faith (in a certain religion and god [islam, allah]) for the truely devoted means that they fully stand by what they believe in.
and with this being said, if thier religion teaches the understanding that allah created the quran, then why fight it? why fight the "holes" that you claim to be able to find? even if you could find them, are you out here to convert them into whatever it is you believe in?
fighting religion with science is one of the weirdest things to do; and of course the many concrete and some implied evidences of science are hard to be disproven, but the way i see it now, is to just let it go homie, because they are instilled to believe that there is no god but allah, and mohamed is his prophet.
oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
I'm not fighting religion with science, I'm fighting religious books with ideology...and I'm not attacking the q'uran, I'm treating it as a text like any other, and drawing its influences, etc...I do the same thing with the bible
I attack faith because it scares the hell out of me....many things that have been done as a result of faith are horrendous, and faith isolates man from man and creates inequality of perception. This occurs only when it is a large scale organized religion, and a symbol is required to keep such a group even a little cohesive -- some use idols, some use books. Both can be analyzed as works of art, which they are. Burt remember, all works of art are the result of a DEVIATION from blind faith into an entirely intellectual faith of their own, an individual faith
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alright break it up break it up...
tf10, you're a fool for insulting the quran. why? because with regard to thier belief, you probably couldn't show them a hole (and i'm assuming this because you still havn't done so). i also don't know why you've come here to attack them, or Jews, about thier beliefs..
now, granted, you're right to say that there is an imbalance in a biased and one sided view point. and you're also right to say that tito and royal are speaking rather narrow mindedly. that being said, the concept of faith (in a certain religion and god [islam, allah]) for the truely devoted means that they fully stand by what they believe in.
and with this being said, if thier religion teaches the understanding that allah created the quran, then why fight it? why fight the "holes" that you claim to be able to find? even if you could find them, are you out here to convert them into whatever it is you believe in?
fighting religion with science is one of the weirdest things to do; and of course the many concrete and some implied evidences of science are hard to be disproven, but the way i see it now, is to just let it go homie, because they are instilled to believe that there is no god but allah, and mohamed is his prophet.
oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
I'm not fighting religion with science, I'm fighting religious books with ideology...and I'm not attacking the q'uran, I'm treating it as a text like any other, and drawing its influences, etc...I do the same thing with the bible
I attack faith because it scares the hell out of me....many things that have been done as a result of faith are horrendous, and faith isolates man from man and creates inequality of perception. This occurs only when it is a large scale organized religion, and a symbol is required to keep such a group even a little cohesive -- some use idols, some use books. Both can be analyzed as works of art, which they are. Burt remember, all works of art are the result of a DEVIATION from blind faith into an entirely intellectual faith of their own, an individual faith
you cannot treat a holy book the same because it is implied that everything in the book is right. the book is designed for the reader as a follower, not as a spectator or one trying to draw conclusions. if the reader is a follower, then the reader is in 100% concurrence with the book. that is what it is designed for. don't read it and draw conclusions from it if you don't follow the religion for obvious reasons.
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alright break it up break it up...
tf10, you're a fool for insulting the quran. why? because with regard to thier belief, you probably couldn't show them a hole (and i'm assuming this because you still havn't done so). i also don't know why you've come here to attack them, or Jews, about thier beliefs..
now, granted, you're right to say that there is an imbalance in a biased and one sided view point. and you're also right to say that tito and royal are speaking rather narrow mindedly. that being said, the concept of faith (in a certain religion and god [islam, allah]) for the truely devoted means that they fully stand by what they believe in.
and with this being said, if thier religion teaches the understanding that allah created the quran, then why fight it? why fight the "holes" that you claim to be able to find? even if you could find them, are you out here to convert them into whatever it is you believe in?
fighting religion with science is one of the weirdest things to do; and of course the many concrete and some implied evidences of science are hard to be disproven, but the way i see it now, is to just let it go homie, because they are instilled to believe that there is no god but allah, and mohamed is his prophet.
oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
I'm not fighting religion with science, I'm fighting religious books with ideology...and I'm not attacking the q'uran, I'm treating it as a text like any other, and drawing its influences, etc...I do the same thing with the bible
I attack faith because it scares the hell out of me....many things that have been done as a result of faith are horrendous, and faith isolates man from man and creates inequality of perception. This occurs only when it is a large scale organized religion, and a symbol is required to keep such a group even a little cohesive -- some use idols, some use books. Both can be analyzed as works of art, which they are. Burt remember, all works of art are the result of a DEVIATION from blind faith into an entirely intellectual faith of their own, an individual faith
you cannot treat a holy book the same because it is implied that everything in the book is right. the book is designed for the reader as a follower, not as a spectator or one trying to draw conclusions. if the reader is a follower, then the reader is in 100% concurrence with the book. that is what it is designed for. don't read it and draw conclusions from it if you don't follow the religion for obvious reasons.
Do you realize how many critical interpretations of the bible and quran there have been? Because the answer is a hell of a lot. And that added implications makes analysis all the more interesting.
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alright break it up break it up...
tf10, you're a fool for insulting the quran. why? because with regard to thier belief, you probably couldn't show them a hole (and i'm assuming this because you still havn't done so). i also don't know why you've come here to attack them, or Jews, about thier beliefs..
now, granted, you're right to say that there is an imbalance in a biased and one sided view point. and you're also right to say that tito and royal are speaking rather narrow mindedly. that being said, the concept of faith (in a certain religion and god [islam, allah]) for the truely devoted means that they fully stand by what they believe in.
and with this being said, if thier religion teaches the understanding that allah created the quran, then why fight it? why fight the "holes" that you claim to be able to find? even if you could find them, are you out here to convert them into whatever it is you believe in?
fighting religion with science is one of the weirdest things to do; and of course the many concrete and some implied evidences of science are hard to be disproven, but the way i see it now, is to just let it go homie, because they are instilled to believe that there is no god but allah, and mohamed is his prophet.
oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
I'm not fighting religion with science, I'm fighting religious books with ideology...and I'm not attacking the q'uran, I'm treating it as a text like any other, and drawing its influences, etc...I do the same thing with the bible
I attack faith because it scares the hell out of me....many things that have been done as a result of faith are horrendous, and faith isolates man from man and creates inequality of perception. This occurs only when it is a large scale organized religion, and a symbol is required to keep such a group even a little cohesive -- some use idols, some use books. Both can be analyzed as works of art, which they are. Burt remember, all works of art are the result of a DEVIATION from blind faith into an entirely intellectual faith of their own, an individual faith
you cannot treat a holy book the same because it is implied that everything in the book is right. the book is designed for the reader as a follower, not as a spectator or one trying to draw conclusions. if the reader is a follower, then the reader is in 100% concurrence with the book. that is what it is designed for. don't read it and draw conclusions from it if you don't follow the religion for obvious reasons.
Do you realize how many critical interpretations of the bible and quran there have been? Because the answer is a hell of a lot. And that added implications makes analysis all the more interesting.
dude just stop. arguing with them is pointless, they've been indoctrinated for a long time probably. it's like trying to convince cavemen that the earth is round.
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oh and jono if you are in med school.....god damn....
Im startin my 1st year this year...what i know about evolution is what i know from high school. And why would i bother explaining evolution in this debate when i believe in God.
i'm not familiar with how it works in (wherever you are from), but here you usually go to University first to get a degree in biological sciences, chemistry, etc. and you learn about a LOT of things (ecology and evolution included)
Yeah thats the same here i guess, except i havnt started uni yet. I learnt about the basic information i guess on evolution in high school. I did both biology and chemistry.
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dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard
Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.
:lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.
I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...
I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.
you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions.... :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
:cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised
so many assumptions
does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...
also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview
does an Atoms exist?
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for those who say the quran was written by Muhammad
He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through.
Qur'an, 55:19-20
this means the barrier between salt and fresh water
a person in the deserts of Arabia 1426 years ago, could he have known this
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)
Big Bang thoery states the universe is expanding and this was found out a few years ago
now tell me could Muhammad a person who lived 1,426 years ago known this?
we then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)
Could Muhammed who could not read or write have known the stages a baby goes through when in the womb
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for those who say the quran was written by Muhammad
He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through.
Qur'an, 55:19-20
this means the barrier between salt and fresh water
a person in the deserts of Arabia 1426 years ago, could he have known this
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)
Big Bang thoery states the universe is expanding and this was found out a few years ago
now tell me could Muhammad a person who lived 1,426 years ago known this?
we then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)
Could Muhammed who could not read or write have known the stages a baby goes through when in the womb
yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
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answer my damn question junior
does an Atoms exist?
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
can you bring proof of this weird charcter called nostradaumus
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
can you bring proof of this weird charcter called nostradaumus
it's called google. i suggest you use it.
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
can you bring proof of this weird charcter called nostradaumus
Nostradamus was a man who was born in the 1500s. He predicted things that have occured in this present time. Including 9/11. But this is just how people translated his work...
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
i stand by my statement
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
i stand by my statement
then honestly get the fuck out of this conversation we heard your words
and if thats all you got to say then thats all i want to read
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
i stand by my statement
then honestly get the fuck out of this conversation we heard your words
and if thats all you got to say then thats all i want to read
so easily stirred up hahahahaha
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
i stand by my statement
then honestly get the fuck out of this conversation we heard your words
and if thats all you got to say then thats all i want to read
so easily stirred up hahahahaha
you don't add any points to the argument and you said about 3-4 pages ago you were out of this its annoying how you keep popping up and when a worthwhile rebuttal is made you curl into a ball
anyway if you going to keep arguing you might as well answer
does an Atoms exist?
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Yes an atom does exist whats your point?
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can you see it? ( I'll answer that) NO
does allah exist?
Yes
Can you see Him, No
So if you say Allah isn't real then what case do you have that suggests an Atom is real?
On another note Science is way behind the Quran
As in that article (link) i posted earlier
ATOMIC ENERGY AND FISSION
Allah splits the seed and kernel. He brings forth the living from the dead, and produces the dead out of the living. That is Allah, so how are you misguided? (Qur'an, 6:95)
The terms "seed" (al-habb) and "kernel" (an-nawa) in the above verse may indicate the splitting of the atom. Indeed, the dictionary meanings of an-nawa include "nucleus, centre, atomic nucleus." Furthermore, the description of bringing forth the living from the dead can be interpreted as Allah creating matter from dead energy. Producing the dead out of the living may refer to energy (dead) emerging from matter (living), since the atom is in motion. (Allah knows best.) That is because as well as "living," al-hayy can also mean "active, energetic." With its meaning of "non-living," al-mayyit, translated above as "dead," may very probably refer to energy.
Scientists define energy as the capacity for doing work. Matter, the material that comprises all things on Earth and in the universe, consists of atoms and molecules that can be seen to be in motion under an electron microscope. In the early twentieth century, Albert Einstein (d. 1955) theorised that matter could be converted into energy, suggesting that the two were inter-related at the atomic level.199 This may be the bringing forth of the dead from the living, as described above, or, in other words, obtaining energy from matter, which is in motion at the atomic level. In addition, yukhriju, translated as "bringing forth," also means "bringing out, emitting" (as in the case of electrical waves). Therefore, the terms in this verse may be indicating the form of energy obtained from the atom. (Allah knows best.)
And technology
THE USE OF ELECTRICITY
And We made a fount of molten copper flow out for him. (Qur'an, 34:12)
One of Allah's great blessings to Prophet Sulayman (as) was "a fount of molten copper." This can be understood in several senses. By the use of melted copper, it may be referring to the existence, at his time, of an advanced technology that employed electricity. We know that copper is one of the best metals for conducting electricity and heat, and thus constitutes the basis of the electrical industry, which uses much of the copper produced in the world. The expression "flow out" may indicate that electricity can be used in many fields. (Allah knows best.)
MODERN MEANS OF TRANSPORT
And horses, mules, and donkeys both to ride and for adornment. And He creates other things you do not know. (Qur'an, 16:8)
The above verse indicates that in addition to the animals mentioned here, people will have various unknown (to them) means of transport. The following verse points to the fact that there will be such mass modes of transport as ships:
A Sign for them is that We carried their families in the laden ship. And We have created for them the like of it, in which they sail. (Qur'an, 36:41-42)
Man on moon?
THE EXPLORATION OF SPACE
Humanity's exploration of space was accelerated with the Soviet satellite Sputnik on 4 October 1957, which launch is considered by NASA as the dawn of the “Space Age.” The first man to ever leave the Earth's atmosphere was the Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin who made his space flight in 1961 in Vostok 1 spacecraft. On 20 July 1969, the American astronaut Neil Armstrong became the first human being ever to set foot on the Moon.
In fact, the Qur'an revealed that such developments and achievements would one day be realised. For instance, Allah draws our attention to this in the following verse:
O company of jinn and human beings. If you are able to pierce through the confines of the heavens and Earth, pierce through them. You will not pierce through, except with a clear authority. (Qur'an, 55:33)
The Arabic word sultan, translated here as "a clear authority," has other meanings as well: force, power, sovereignty, dominion, law, path, permission, give leave, justify, and proof.
Careful examination reveals that the above verse emphasizes that humanity will be able to move into the depths of Earth and sky, but only with a superior power. In all likelihood, this superior power is the superior technology employed in the twentieth century, for it enabled scientists to achieve this great feat.
THE VOYAGE TO THE MOON
And [I swear by] the moon when it is full, you will mount up stage by stage! What is the matter with them, that they have no faith? (Qur'an, 84:18-20)
After referring to the Moon, the above verses then say that people will mount up stage by stage. The term tarkabunna comes from the verb rakiba, (to mount, walk on a path, follow, embark upon, set about, participate, or rule). In the light of these meanings, it is very likely that the expression "you will mount up stage by stage" refers to a vehicle to be boarded.
Indeed, the astronauts' spacecraft pass through each layer of the atmosphere one by one, and then begin to pass through the Moon's gravitational field. Thus, the Moon is reached by moving through individual layers. In addition, the swearing by the Moon in Surat al-Inshiqaq 18 further strengthens this emphasis, meaning that the verse may well be a sign that humanity will travel to the Moon. (Allah knows best.)
Honestly, need i to copy the full web page?
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stop fucking preaching
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Tito; you don't apply science on the Quran, you apply contens of the Quran on science that already has been theorized. Without the science we've achieved those extracts wouldn't have been interpretated in that way. The only way the Quran would be ahead of science is if you actually read the Quran and from there made the conclusion that there are atoms and then proved it (before science did so).
The thing with those extracts is that they are heavily interpretated in a way they sound related to science, eventhough I sincerely doubt that were their initial meaning. Unless you show me some undiscovered thing (like the atom) interpretated from the Quran and from that you prove the statement from the Quran scientificly correct, there isn't really anything scientifical about the Quran.
The atom, how do we know it's for real?
We don't, not for sure. Experiments strongly indicates the existance of an atom, but we can never be 100 % sure there's an actual atom there. But that doesn't matter. We just use the atom as an model so things will be easier answered, just as we use gravity to explain why things fall and the movement of the planets.
Evolution isn't something you choose to "believe" in; it's fact. Take maths as an example: let's say you were given the equation 3+x=4. Using some easy logic, you come to the conclusion that x = 1, and that's an definite answer and is not something you choose to believe in.
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this topic is very confusing :L
for me any way
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yea ppl do that shit with nostradaumus too. and we know nostradaumus wasn't actually predicting the future, it's just how some ppl interpreted his texts.
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p2_01.php
- From most ancient and the most recent
- From a quran on one side of the world and one on the other
- From either side of the equator
All are the same, in terms of, every aspect.
And for so long
And someone (preferably one who doesn't believe Allah exists)
does an Atoms exist?
i stand by my statement
then honestly get the fuck out of this conversation we heard your words
and if thats all you got to say then thats all i want to read
so easily stirred up hahahahaha
you don't add any points to the argument and you said about 3-4 pages ago you were out of this its annoying how you keep popping up and when a worthwhile rebuttal is made you curl into a ball
anyway if you going to keep arguing you might as well answer
does an Atoms exist?
you sound like a broken record. if you wanna live under a rock and not open ur eyes to the rest of the intelligent world, then keep that way.
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Tito; you don't apply science on the Quran, you apply contens of the Quran on science that already has been theorized. Without the science we've achieved those extracts wouldn't have been interpretated in that way. The only way the Quran would be ahead of science is if you actually read the Quran and from there made the conclusion that there are atoms and then proved it (before science did so).
The thing with those extracts is that they are heavily interpretated in a way they sound related to science, eventhough I sincerely doubt that were their initial meaning. Unless you show me some undiscovered thing (like the atom) interpretated from the Quran and from that you prove the statement from the Quran scientificly correct, there isn't really anything scientifical about the Quran.
The atom, how do we know it's for real?
We don't, not for sure. Experiments strongly indicates the existance of an atom, but we can never be 100 % sure there's an actual atom there. But that doesn't matter. We just use the atom as an model so things will be easier answered, just as we use gravity to explain why things fall and the movement of the planets.
Evolution isn't something you choose to "believe" in; it's fact. Take maths as an example: let's say you were given the equation 3+x=4. Using some easy logic, you come to the conclusion that x = 1, and that's an definite answer and is not something you choose to believe in.
+1 karma for actually having a brain
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you can very nearly see atoms though using the newest techology or see close enough to see they exist.
(http://www.umsl.edu/~fraundorfp/playwork/aupdongr.gif)
here are palladium atoms in a crystal lattice
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you sound like a broken record. if you wanna live under a rock and not open ur eyes to the rest of the intelligent world, then keep that way.
my question wasn't answered
as for you second part your truly pathetic
you can very nearly see atoms though using the newest techology or see close enough to see they exist.
(http://www.umsl.edu/~fraundorfp/playwork/aupdongr.gif)
here are palladium atoms in a crystal lattice
an atom isn't visible
PERIOD
stop fucking preaching
stop fucking preaching your science
Tito; you don't apply science on the Quran, you apply contens of the Quran on science that already has been theorized. Without the science we've achieved those extracts wouldn't have been interpretated in that way. The only way the Quran would be ahead of science is if you actually read the Quran and from there made the conclusion that there are atoms and then proved it (before science did so).
The thing with those extracts is that they are heavily interpretated in a way they sound related to science, eventhough I sincerely doubt that were their initial meaning. Unless you show me some undiscovered thing (like the atom) interpretated from the Quran and from that you prove the statement from the Quran scientificly correct, there isn't really anything scientifical about the Quran.
The atom, how do we know it's for real?
We don't, not for sure. Experiments strongly indicates the existance of an atom, but we can never be 100 % sure there's an actual atom there. But that doesn't matter. We just use the atom as an model so things will be easier answered, just as we use gravity to explain why things fall and the movement of the planets.
Evolution isn't something you choose to "believe" in; it's fact. Take maths as an example: let's say you were given the equation 3+x=4. Using some easy logic, you come to the conclusion that x = 1, and that's an definite answer and is not something you choose to believe in.
If you study the Qur'an you will see that the Qur'an does not contradict any established modern scientific fact. This is a true statement. Many have tried to find scientific errors in the Qur'an, but they have failed.
This is what modern science has to say on the topic of zoology, in particular bees. Modern day science tells us that the male bee has only one purpose, and that is to reproduce with the female - there's really no other purpose for a male bee. Now here's the important point - however, the worker bee or the soldier bee is a female bee. She is the one that builds the nest, leaves her home, and goes out in search of food. This what modern science tells us - that we have discovered only recently. Now it takes a specialist in the field to detect the sex of the bee - you cannot look at it from the naked eye - it is impossible, there is no way you can look at it that way. Now let me show you what the Qur'an says about bees. Now, keep one thing in mind here. In the Arabic language, animals are either male or female. Like in English we have the word cow - "the cow in the pasture" - that does not tell us if the cow is male or female. But in Arabic animals are either male or female. There is no gender neutral term for animals. Let's look inside chapter sixteen verse sixty-eight. It says over there:
"and thy Lord taught the bee" (here it is specified a female bee) "to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in men's habitations, then to eat of all the produce and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord."
This is exactly what modern science today tell us - that the bee that goes out and builds the nest, that goes out looking for food, as what the Qur'an has mentioned, is indeed the female bee.
IF Statement in the Quran = Scientific fact THEN
(it can be one or more of the following 8 possibilities)
A. Perhaps the author of the statement was a genius.
B. A very good guess, luck.
C. Perhaps the author of the statement was a great scientist
D. Coincidence (ex: a poetic statement which just happened to match
up with science),, and the author had no intention of talking
about science; it was an accident. Coincidence is a form of luck.
E. Common sense (ex: rain causes grass to grow).
F. The scientific fact is observable.
G. The information already pre-existed in history.
(this can only be entertained if we have historical errors)
H. A source greater than man was involved.
So anyway, I'll have to raise a question now. How did the author of the Qur'an know this scientific statement, that the bee that leaves the nest in search of food is the female bee? Let's look at the above quote. Perhaps the author of the Qur'an was a genius or a scientist, which is (A) and (C). Well, I don't think that could be a possibility, because no matter how smart you are, you'll never be able to detect the sex of a bee, unless you had these modern scientific methods which did not exist one thousand four hundred years ago, so those could not be a possibility. Let's look at (F). Perhaps the scientific fact is observable. Well, this is not true either, because you cannot look at the bees and tell which one is a male or female. Let's look at (B). Perhaps it was a very good guess. Well, it is a possibility. If it was a good guess then we'll say it was a fifty-fifty chance, one half chance if that was the case - or coincidence, we can look at it that way. Now let's look at (G) . The information already pre-existed in history, therefore the author of the Qur'an simply plagiarized from another source. That long ago its not possible. So the only solution is (H).
And thats only one small example
Tito; you don't apply science on the Quran, you apply contens of the Quran on science that already has been theorized. Without the science we've achieved those extracts wouldn't have been interpretated in that way. The only way the Quran would be ahead of science is if you actually read the Quran and from there made the conclusion that there are atoms and then proved it (before science did so)
the meaning of them haven't changed
and how could those things even be in something thats over 1400 years old when science recently discovered those.
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so many ppl bad mouthing religions, were not idiots u know.
(http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1233905213203.jpg)
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
But let me guess, everyone else is stupid huh :lol:
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
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yes, and the flying spaghetti monster is real too. so is the invisible pink unicorn.
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
But let me guess, everyone else is stupid huh :lol:
Therefor Science is concrete and anyone that follows religion is stupid?
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
But let me guess, everyone else is stupid huh :lol:
Therefor Science is concrete and anyone that follows religion is stupid?
No. They are based on two different things. Religion isn't based on fact, it's based on faith. Science is based on what we as humans call a fact, which is something that can be readily determinable and proven. Again, a lot of science is "implied" [e.g. 2x+2 = 6, the x would equal 4]
@ tito: i believe in god. and it's funny, because i've never claimed Allah doesn't exist because he isn't visible.
oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
But let me guess, everyone else is stupid huh :lol:
Therefor Science is concrete and anyone that follows religion is stupid?
No. They are based on two different things. Religion isn't based on fact, it's based on faith. Science is based on what we as humans call a fact, which is something that can be readily determinable and proven. Again, a lot of science is "implied" [e.g. 2x+2 = 6, the x would equal 4]
@ tito: i believe in god. and it's funny, because i've never claimed Allah doesn't exist because he isn't visible.
oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
That could mean the surface of the earth, the quran is written in arabic and some words are almost immposible to translate,
there are many different translations of the quran with slight differences
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oh, how interesting then. so everything about bees and science has been perfectly translated, but these words here about the earth..it's just been lost in translation or what have you....that's straight :nopity:
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
But let me guess, everyone else is stupid huh :lol:
Therefor Science is concrete and anyone that follows religion is stupid?
No. They are based on two different things. Religion isn't based on fact, it's based on faith. Science is based on what we as humans call a fact, which is something that can be readily determinable and proven. Again, a lot of science is "implied" [e.g. 2x+2 = 6, the x would equal 4]
@ tito: i believe in god. and it's funny, because i've never claimed Allah doesn't exist because he isn't visible.
oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
wait a minute... 8 plus 2 equals 6? wtf? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_in_islam.htm
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
good god you really don't understand what the function of history or ideas is, do you? I mean, you're a smart guy, you just choose not to use your brain sometimes, which always surprises me, because I've read some fucking intelligent posts from you...
But what I was getting at is that you can't worship allah in good conscience without viewing the quran as a mere allegory written by men for the intellects of men, thereby containing vast trivialization of allah. I was in no way attacking your belief in allah, since I have fluctuated in and out of belief for years now. Right now I'm out, because language is too important to me to be constrained by the existence of a godhead figure that transcends its reaches....but thats just me, because I'm essentially a language-worshiper
cheers, I guess :dontknow:
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oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_in_islam.htm
so it's egg shaped, but it's flat too. Allah must have been confused at the time.
typo on that equation :lol:
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
good god you really don't understand what the function of history or ideas is, do you? I mean, you're a smart guy, you just choose not to use your brain sometimes, which always surprises me, because I've read some fucking intelligent posts from you...
But what I was getting at is that you can't worship allah in good conscience without viewing the quran as a mere allegory written by men for the intellects of men, thereby containing vast trivialization of allah. I was in no way attacking your belief in allah, since I have fluctuated in and out of belief for years now. Right now I'm out, because language is too important to me to be constrained by the existence of a godhead figure that transcends its reaches....but thats just me, because I'm essentially a language-worshiper
cheers, I guess :dontknow:
dude just stop, ur wasting ur time. stupid ppl can be impossible to deal with.
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
good god you really don't understand what the function of history or ideas is, do you? I mean, you're a smart guy, you just choose not to use your brain sometimes, which always surprises me, because I've read some fucking intelligent posts from you...
But what I was getting at is that you can't worship allah in good conscience without viewing the quran as a mere allegory written by men for the intellects of men, thereby containing vast trivialization of allah. I was in no way attacking your belief in allah, since I have fluctuated in and out of belief for years now. Right now I'm out, because language is too important to me to be constrained by the existence of a godhead figure that transcends its reaches....but thats just me, because I'm essentially a language-worshiper
cheers, I guess :dontknow:
dude just stop, ur wasting ur time. stupid ppl can be impossible to deal with.
referring to you or us?
oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_in_islam.htm
so it's egg shaped, but it's flat too. Allah must have been confused at the time.
typo on that equation :lol:
about the earth being spread as a carpet, that was referring to the whole Earth being a place for prayer
you can pray anywhere you are in the world
I forgot what the bed part was referring to
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
good god you really don't understand what the function of history or ideas is, do you? I mean, you're a smart guy, you just choose not to use your brain sometimes, which always surprises me, because I've read some fucking intelligent posts from you...
But what I was getting at is that you can't worship allah in good conscience without viewing the quran as a mere allegory written by men for the intellects of men, thereby containing vast trivialization of allah. I was in no way attacking your belief in allah, since I have fluctuated in and out of belief for years now. Right now I'm out, because language is too important to me to be constrained by the existence of a godhead figure that transcends its reaches....but thats just me, because I'm essentially a language-worshiper
cheers, I guess :dontknow:
dude just stop, ur wasting ur time. stupid ppl can be impossible to deal with.
referring to you or us?
oh and i do have one question; why is it that Allah refers to the earth as a bed, and as a carpet spread out? last i checked, beds and carpets where rectangular and flat.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_in_islam.htm
so it's egg shaped, but it's flat too. Allah must have been confused at the time.
typo on that equation :lol:
about the earth being spread as a carpet, that was referring to the whole Earth being a place for prayer
you can pray anywhere you are in the world
I forgot what the bed part was referring to
either way, it's an anthropomorphism
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Why is it so hard to understand that atoms are not visible? Have you not gone to school? Do you not have books to read about atoms, Tito?
Fool i know an atom (center of science) isn't visible. If you claim Allah doesn't exist because He isn't visible than what the fuck is an atom!
RETARD
Preaching science? You can't really do that. You can only point to concrete evidence. I don't consider the evidence you are pointing to me about the Quran as concrete; there is absolutely no way to prove that these words are indeed the words of God. If it was so clear cut, i'm sure everyone would be a Muslim.
One thing that you people constantly over look is that Quran is all facts. Many before you and many better than you have attempted but FAILED. Disprove anything in the Quran and i will agree with your every word. What i am doing is showing that the Quran is flawless thus can't be something made by man, while science on the other hand is filled with flaws, theories and errors.
If comparing the two and stating facts is preaching under a rock i got nothing to say to you apes.
If evolution is real you fools obviously haven't evolved.
Aha, I've caught you out at last, you hypocritical sheep:
You've equated an infinite and all-encompassing being (Allah, god, what have you) with the meanest piece of physical material on the face of this earth. A demeaning anthropmorphism if I've ever seen one. In addition, no book can encompass the nature of an infinite, all-encompassing being without the use of anthropomorphism (both the bible and the quran do it. Even saying that He cannot be enbcompassed is an anthropomorphism), thereby rendering any holy text a misrepresentation of what is truly being worshipped, because such a book, which was clearly written (by whom I know not, be it god or man, though I'd say man) to be read by human beings, is essentially a distortion of the religious truth you seek. Many Islamic and Jewish thinkers have come across this problem, acknowledged it as very daunting, and were only ever able to offer allegorical solutions. An example of a Jewish thinker who encountered this issue: Maimonides. An example of an Islamic thinker who encountered that selfsame issue: Averroes (muslim name was Ibn Rushd, I think).
So yeah
Reads sees alto of useless shit...... No real argument being presented........ use of big words to sound intelligent and try to make up for what he lacks in knowledge on this topic...... a few names of irrelevant people mentioned..... writer doesn't understand the purpose of the Quran, not to mention anything it says..... Reader moves on.....
well first off take elite's example of the earth as Allah's bed, or whatever....that is blatant anthropomorphism, which trivializes the human perception of an all-encompassing deity. Nothing in what I wrote up there is meaningless. I can guarantee that you dismissed it because you weren't entirely sure what the relationship between anthropomorphism and allegory is. There is a clear argument being presented, and since when has Averroes been irrelevant to the Muslim faith :saywhat: He was probably the most important thinker of the Middle Ages, which was the golden age of Islam intellectually and culturally.
This is one of many reasons I don't give a fuck about your posts on this topic.
I worship Allah. I don't care about Averroes no one really does.
Hes about as relevant as the theory of evolution. :hello:
good god you really don't understand what the function of history or ideas is, do you? I mean, you're a smart guy, you just choose not to use your brain sometimes, which always surprises me, because I've read some fucking intelligent posts from you...
But what I was getting at is that you can't worship allah in good conscience without viewing the quran as a mere allegory written by men for the intellects of men, thereby containing vast trivialization of allah. I was in no way attacking your belief in allah, since I have fluctuated in and out of belief for years now. Right now I'm out, because language is too important to me to be constrained by the existence of a godhead figure that transcends its reaches....but thats just me, because I'm essentially a language-worshiper
cheers, I guess :dontknow:
I can't agree with that.
I know that the quran is the words of Allah 100% and nothing you say is going to change that. I don't know why you and your friends are wasting your time. You have not even been able to put a single doubt in my head even the size of a grain of sand. Don't even bother fellas. You will only stir up more trouble.
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listen guys
no matter what we say neither of us or gonna convince each other
to you be your religion, to me be mine
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listen guys
no matter what we say neither of us or gonna convince each other
to you be your religion, to me be mine
wise man. i think we should agree to disagree
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Tito unfortunatley for you atoms can be seen now using this http://royalsociety.org/exhibit.asp?id=4675 (http://royalsociety.org/exhibit.asp?id=4675)
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
who the hell ever tried to disprove the existence of a god?
i don't reject god. i reject organized religion.
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
who the hell ever tried to disprove the existence of a god?
apparantly allah is the only god there can be
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
who the hell ever tried to disprove the existence of a god?
apparantly allah is the only god there can be
i'm gunna call...... indoctrination from childhood, on this one.
you know, the nazis did the same with the "hitler youth".
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
who the hell ever tried to disprove the existence of a god?
apparantly allah is the only god there can be
Allah = God
God = Allah
Smarten up.
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I don't even know what they where going for.
They didn't think after all these centuries, god's existence will finally be disproved on a forum? :rolleyes:
who the hell ever tried to disprove the existence of a god?
apparantly allah is the only god there can be
Allah = God
God = Allah
Smarten up.
i used to believe in god 100%. never did i use the word "allah" to refer to god.
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it is the Arabic word for God
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it is the Arabic word for God
i know
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so why would you call God Allah -- i sometimes refer to God as Dios, which is how you say it in spanish. If you don't speak arabic and aren't islamic, why would you ever refer to god as allah?
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so why would you call God Allah -- i sometimes refer to God as Dios, which is how you say it in spanish. If you don't speak arabic and aren't islamic, why would you ever refer to god as allah?
exactly
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so why would you call God Allah -- i sometimes refer to God as Dios, which is how you say it in spanish. If you don't speak arabic and aren't islamic, why would you ever refer to god as allah?
exactly
I think what Omar was getting at was that Allah is just another words for 'God'
but you never know
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so why would you call God Allah -- i sometimes refer to God as Dios, which is how you say it in spanish. If you don't speak arabic and aren't islamic, why would you ever refer to god as allah?
exactly
I think what Omar was getting at was that Allah is just another words for 'God'
but you never know
there are hundreds and thousands of different ideas about 'god', who or what it is and what it might look like or be able to do... etc. etc. etc.
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Allah is just the Arabic word for god, that's exactly what he was getting at!
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Allah is just the Arabic word for god, that's exactly what he was getting at!
(http://airstripone.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg)
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Allah is just the Arabic word for god, that's exactly what he was getting at!
(http://airstripone.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg)
:lol:
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what's that f!@#ing sick pic supposed to mean
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what's that f!@#ing sick pic supposed to mean
yea, i wanna know too.
wasnt the pic supposed to be an angel or somthing...not speghetti
y was this unlocked anyway?
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not sure. i was getting tired of the ad hominem attacks
someone wanted it open. that's fine by me
:dontknow:
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to be honest, it didn't deserve to be closed
and any argument you get on a forum is gonna result in ad hominem attacks eventually...it's a forum for god's sake...oh wait...the Name in vain
:biggrin:
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and any argument you get on a forum is gonna result in ad hominem attacks eventually
of course, but it was getting out of hand
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and any argument you get on a forum is gonna result in ad hominem attacks eventually
of course, but it was getting out of hand
fair enough. I respect your decision :cheers:
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what's that f!@#ing sick pic supposed to mean
it means that god exists, and he's a flying spaghetti monster. there's nothing that can prove this wrong.
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what's that f!@#ing sick pic supposed to mean
it means that god exists, and he's a flying spaghetti monster. there's nothing that can prove this wrong.
Good for you.
No one wants to prove you wrong.
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what's that f!@#ing sick pic supposed to mean
it means that god exists, and he's a flying spaghetti monster. there's nothing that can prove this wrong.
Good for you.
No one wants to prove you wrong.
god could also be an invisible pink unicorn.
also if somebody does prove it wrong they're not proving me wrong. smarten up.
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Resorted to arguing with yourself.
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:lol:
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Resorted to arguing with yourself.
blah blah blah
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...
but you actually are :dontknow:
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but you actually are :dontknow:
no. if u'd like for me to explain further, add me on msn. u can ask around for that if u want.
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fuck no
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fuck no
dryyyyy :lol:
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fuck no
bhahahahahaa, that came as such a suprise.
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good, no annoying fuckers bothering me then.
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Just wait to you die and then you see? :banana:
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i really dont know!! :dontknow:
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I've been reading about near-death experiences recently. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm reading mixed things on whether they are helucinations or real experiences. Some say your brain is dead and technically can't have helucinations so it's gotta be real, while others say your brain can still have enough function after death somehow.