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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: Tito on Dec 22, 2008, 05:46: AM
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A thread all about managers. Obviously.
This thread involves the discussion of the pressures on some managers who allegedly under perform and other who are beat the expectation levels.
Just to start us off.
Do you think the pressure on Mark Hughes to finish in the top 5 is unreasonable?
-Take into account the money available.
-Robinho being the only top signing.
-Where Man City finish last season.
-The short time Hughes has been around at the club.
etc
Hopefully there'll be more questions later on in the tread but for now lets discuss this.
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i do think its fair seeing as Sven Goran Eriksson did the job quite well last year (beating Man Utd twice)
the problem is that with his billionaires behind him he will constantly rely on the money and not work on team chemistry enough
just my opinion
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i do think its fair seeing as Sven Goran Eriksson did the job quite well last year (beating Man Utd twice)
the problem is that with his billionaires behind him he will constantly rely on the money and not work on team chemistry enough
just my opinion
i would so much say that
i'd say the owners want to use the money Mark Hughes is a great coach and i believe he is focusing on team chemistry and the Youth Academy it more of the owners combined with the fans who demand trophies now
i see Hughes as a classy coach who always builds for the long term
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Hughes is a goof gaffer they want him to do things to fast...just look at aston villa an example of how team with money should work
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I think the billionaire owners have to be on the managers backs like that. If Hughes can't finish at least fifth this year he needs to go, if they want to win the EPL anytime soon which is obviously the plan I hope. Look at Chelsea Mourinho came in and they never looked back. Had we allowed Ranieri £120 million on players and still a runners up that year. An excellent spot for Chelsea a first time in 49 years but the owner had to show how serious he was and got a new manager who he believed could go that one step further and he did.. Don't get me wrong I was upset when Renieri left one of our best managers but it kinda payed off at the end of the day. When that kind of money is involved you can't afford to be second best.
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not only that but i have a feeling these billionaire owners are gonna get really nosy (if these results continue) and they'll start bothering Mark Hughes, telling him what to do, telling the players what to do . Really what abramovic started to do with Mourinho at the end
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I think the billionaire owners have to be on the managers backs like that. If Hughes can't finish at least fifth this year he needs to go, if they want to win the EPL anytime soon which is obviously the plan I hope. Look at Chelsea Mourinho came in and they never looked back. Had we allowed Ranieri £120 million on players and still a runners up that year. An excellent spot for Chelsea a first time in 49 years but the owner had to show how serious he was and got a new manager who he believed could go that one step further and he did.. Don't get me wrong I was upset when Renieri left one of our best managers but it kinda payed off at the end of the day. When that kind of money is involved you can't afford to be second best.
fair enough but Mark should atleast get one year for settling down
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i agree but what i said was just my realistic guess of what will happen in the future
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not only that but i have a feeling these billionaire owners are gonna get really nosy (if these results continue) and they'll start bothering Mark Hughes, telling him what to do, telling the players what to do . Really what abramovic started to do with Mourinho at the end
That was out of line by Aromavich, apparently he even entered the dressing room at half time and tried to give Essien pointers in passing. :saywhat:
Get the best manager for your money but no interference from the president you would have to be a lunatic like Abromavich to try and give Mourinho pointers in managing a football club, hes arguably the best manager at this point in time.
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i agree with everything u just said cigar
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managers have always been under alot of pressure if the team losses they are immedietly blammed.
look at del bosque the old Madrid Coach he won them soo many titles including the champs league, built surley one of the best teams in history then he didn't win just one la liga title and they kicked him out.
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Del Bosque's ghost still haunts Madrid.
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managers have always been under alot of pressure if the team losses they are immedietly blammed.
look at del bosque the old Madrid Coach he won them soo many titles including the champs league, built surley one of the best teams in history then he didn't win just one la liga title and they kicked him out.
as zidane said, u cant change 11 players in a team but u can easily change 1 manager
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it more complex then just changing a managers
anyway this discuss is close lets move on
What are you opinions on managers that are doing better than they could've hoped for?
- Hull City's Phil Brown
- Hoffenheime's Jan Schindelmeiser
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i want to see them managing big clubs. i wonder if they can have the same effect
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maybe they can make these teams big
Phil Brown was signed 2 seasons ago and he said he had a 3 year plan to bring them to the EPL it came a year early
these Managers are doing good due to smart buys for example Giovanni who was barely worth shit you can't say that now
and Hoffenhiems Chincheda Obasi the young Nigerian didn't play much in the first 2 games but when he came on in the 3rd late and turned the game around i don't believe he got subed off since
but you can't credit long term performances on one particular person its a team effort but those player are a key component to the teams success
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i hope the two managers stay with their respective clubs and really, turn them into contenders for the trophies
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maybe they can make these teams big
Phil Brown was signed 2 seasons ago and he said he had a 3 year plan to bring them to the EPL it came a year early
these Managers are doing good due to smart buys for example Giovanni who was barely worth shit you can't say that now
and Hoffenhiems Chincheda Obasi the young Nigerian didn't play much in the first 2 games but when he came on in the 3rd late and turned the game around i don't believe he got subed off since
but you can't credit long term performances on one particular person its a team effort but those player are a key component to the teams success
it not always about the players, the way the manager pulls the strings is very important
meaning their tactics
For example, when brazil lost to France in the 06 WC the coach kept adriano off the whole match, he subbed on robinho and cichino late in the match and it had an imediate impact, cichino was putting in crosses maicon cant even think off.
my point is what makes a good manager is the way they teach their players to play and if they can adapt to the opponet
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the problem is that sometimes, their is nothing left to teach the player. Maybe tactics wise and what he should do on the park, but i wouldnt be surprised if many times the player goes for glory instead of the safe route
Like when Henry went to Barcelona, what could Frank Rijkaard(not sure on spelling) teach him? He was one of the best players in the world At the time and he wasnt going to become any wiser or more knowledgeable of the game
All im saying is that its not always the managers fault, if he has bad players, what do u expect of him. Its like expecting a hairdresser to give a bald man a mullet, sometimes, you just cant.
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hahaha lol +1 karma for a perfect example
what i mean is how the manager uses a player.
i'll use your example, Frank Rijkaard played Henry on the left wing, any fool knows that henry is one of the best CF's and cherry pickers. thats what lead to Henry having a bad season and Rijkaard being kicked out. you gotta know when and how to use a player.
some players are great impact players, you gotta know when to play them, some have abilities that none other have, you gotta know how to get the max of the ability in the match
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yeah i agree with what your saying so really for managers, it goes both ways
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wow great points
this thread is going better than i thought if only more members would post here
anyway we've made a solid discussion of that now onto the next topic of discussion
Is Wenger to blame for arsenals downfall or is the best of the season yet to come?
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totally the best is yet to come
weger has made one of the best youngest team the world has ever seen, players like vela will shit on players in barca's youth team.
what i expect is in a few years time his player's will get better and other clubs players will get older
so in 3-4 years time arsenal will be one of the best teams in the world in my opinion, unless other clubs change their way.
His choice of using young players is great, he knew that with the current players he wasn't going to win anything so he invested in the future and i think that is great managerial skill and foward thinking
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the only thing that i worry is that he will sell them for big bucks to big temas for more cash to bring in MORE young talent
my theory behind the situation is that Wenger, after seeing/ making the In vincables team, wants to make/breed his own crop of invincables
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Well he still be coaching them when they reach their potential?
would be sad to see him go before that, nut what he needs is a solid CDM, which for me is what made Arsenal great in the past season.
A attacking team like Arsenal always need someone who is willing to drop back when everyone is forward and dictate play in the back third of the pitch.
Viera, Flamini etc and now they have 4 attack minded Mids, 2 fast fullbacks who go down the wing (fully) which leaves the two defenders opened to attacks. Now what the CDM would usually do is pull back and cover where cover is needed.
So for me the weak spot for Arsenal is CM or more so CDM.
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i'm sure he will be staying. The chairmans board agreed with his desicion with the young players
about the CDM in my opinion DM's are the backbone of a team, i have never coached a team without one
in arsenal's case income yaya toure from barca. wegner is going all out to get him
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i was watchin goals on sunday ( an english tv show ) today and they were saying who have been the top 3 managers in the league this season.. and they went for, Phil Brown...Matin Oneil....Rafa Benitez
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i agree with those 3 picks because they honestly have been the best so far in the EPL
The problem with Arsenal is that they're always expected to win so much but the problem is there are 20 quality teams in the premiership, and 16 quality teams in the Champs league. Arsenal fans (many) expect these young Guns to do to the world (at club level) what the invincables did. Think about it... Arsenal's average age i would bet is maybe 23, while Man Utd is maybe 27/28. Wenger is trading experience for youth (and everything you get with it)
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i would also have to agree with those there picks
they have all somewhat beaten their position last year and ofcourse Hull have been the most impressive but they seem to be on a bumpy end to the year
Wenger is a class coach but he should atleast get one very experienced player in January to Captain the side and a DM or i don't see them finishing in the top 4 th this season
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i agree with those 3 picks because they honestly have been the best so far in the EPL
The problem with Arsenal is that they're always expected to win so much but the problem is there are 20 quality teams in the premiership, and 16 quality teams in the Champs league. Arsenal fans (many) expect these young Guns to do to the world (at club level) what the invincables did. Think about it... Arsenal's average age i would bet is maybe 23, while Man Utd is maybe 27/28. Wenger is trading experience for youth (and everything you get with it)
true but this gamble with the young player will defietly pay off in a few years time. i think this is the most i have ever felt positive about something.
What if Wegner dies tommorow? lol
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thats not funny at all
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thats not funny at all
it could happen
shit speaking of wegner and death, i was watching a press conference after the UCL draw and man he look anerecsic. this is seriouse is there like something wrong with him, he was so skinny
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what if Old Trafford or Camp Nou is blown up by terrorists?
Ive thought of this and come up with No solution. If it happens we'll just have to cope
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play at local rivals stadium until one is built i say
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what if Old Trafford or Camp Nou is blown up by terrorists?
Ive thought of this and come up with No solution. If it happens we'll just have to cope
play at local soccer pitches that dont even have stands. i'm sure the players wont mind since it will be such a lively atmosphere
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its all about the dough bro
where the green gone come from you can't make revenue money on a average pitch
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look on the other side no more ground maintanence
i'm sure that cost more then what comes in from ticket sales.
speaking of tickets
European Leagues have seen a huge decline in fans watching games, only big games seem to fill the stadium while other are empty
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ive noticed that people are always so busy nowadays
we cram our schedules until nothing else could fit so that we are always doing something
maybe thats why there arent alot of poeple
also it could be ticket prices
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ive noticed that people are always so busy nowadays
we cram our schedules until nothing else could fit so that we are always doing something
maybe thats why there arent alot of poeple
also it could be ticket prices
yeah i hate high ticket prices
it stinks
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especially when you pay alot and are left on the roof
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also with the worlds economy slowly going down people r finding it harder to pay up
we've gone off topic a tad now havnt we?
BTW-------HAPPY NEW YEAR PEOPLE
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only back on topic boys
Do you think Scolari is going out soon?
And if the rumor of Roberto Mancini coming is true do you see it as a positive?
P.S.
No favoritism Moby
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guys just to go (back) off topic for a second, I'd like to officially anounce that I'm gonna post in the club football sections again. I don't know why I stopped :dontknow:
:cheers:
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If scolari goes out than no manager will ever be good enough for Chelsea
hes done nothing wrong, kept them in second in prem, and solid in all other competitions
IMO it'd be silly to fire him
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If scolari goes out than no manager will ever be good enough for Chelsea
hes done nothing wrong, kept them in second in prem, and solid in all other competitions
IMO it'd be silly to fire him
yeah you can't really find many better managers than scolari anyways. I mean they already fired a few excellent managers in the past years, so I think that if they're not satisfied, they're looking in the wrong place. Either hire a Spaniard or get new players.
Because Spanish managers coach soccer in a more intricate way passing-wise
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if scolari goo's it will be a huge mistake
lol if mancini comes chelsea will be better then ever lol they will start winning the league just like inter
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we we are all agreeing to Scolari should stay then we're going to need a new debate topic
Can Juande Ramos turn Reals season around or will he be a temporary failure?
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he had seccess with Sevilla so why not
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Revealing - and missing - his musical hero
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this guy is not a manger, he is a dictator
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:lol: :lol:
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but a successful dictator none the less
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anyone can be succesfull when you have been manager that long.
most managers never get a chance as soon as they start lossing they are imedietly fired.
that didn't happen to rodolf the red nose reindeer, that enabled him to build a good squad.
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SAF was almost fired right at the beginning thankyou very much, lol. He had to win his next game or else he would have been sacked, and he did. He went through it.
That's a good Manager!
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just luck
right timing by the board :lol: :lol: :lol:
okay boys enough of the old gaffer, whats the next TOD (topic of discussion)
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What was the reason for cappello being fired from Madrid. he won the la liga in his first season so why?
Does this mean managers are unfairly treated
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Madrid and Chelsea both have owners, boards and fans that ask for too much
Abrom will fire any coach who doesn't win the Champions League what kook and Madrid will fire anyone who doesn't win at least two titles :down:
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sad isn't it?
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nope thats football
no for the feint hearted
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New Topic from moi (quite good i think)
How long do you think Hoffenheim's manager can keep his players, and his teams success?
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New Topic from moi (quite good i think)
How long do you think Hoffenheim's manager can keep his players, and his teams success?
As long as he can keep the injuries at bay, and as long as he can keep them cohering in a game. They won't want to leave if they're winning. For teams like Hoffenheim, winning = money via either championships or ridiculously rich owners (usually russians) buying them and putting huge sums of money at the club's disposal, and money= keeping your good players.
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have to agree with you godemperor
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2009/01/09/1052803/coaches-gone-wild-the-things-our-managers-say (http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2009/01/09/1052803/coaches-gone-wild-the-things-our-managers-say)
should get a laugh out of at least one person
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Okay boys enough of that
New TOD (Topic Of Discussion)
What managers do you think did the best and which did the worst?
(name one of both from each league)
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Hoffenheim's Buddy = the best
Tottenham "houdini" = the worst
ppl will probably say harry redknapp turned tottenham around but not in a complete circle TBH. More like 20degrees in one direction
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Speaking of hoffenheim Ibsevic is out for the season
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Hoffenheim's Buddy = the best
Tottenham "houdini" = the worst
ppl will probably say harry redknapp turned tottenham around but not in a complete circle TBH. More like 20degrees in one direction
i meant like this
EPL:
Worst:
Best:
Bundesliga:
Worst:
Best:
La Liga:
Worst:
Best:
Serie A:
Worst:
Best:
ETC.
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ahh my bad
i wont say anything on all the leagues because i dont watch enough/know enough about them to call judgement on coaches/managers
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EPL:
Worst: Gareth Southgate (Middlebrough)
- His performances have been below par, despite not having much coaching training and being handed the job before he even announced his retirement, he had enough time to fix the problem or leave. Top player and captain Stewart Downing even showed his displeasure and ask for a transfer.
Best: Phil Brown (Hull City)
- Most people would've tipped them to go back to Championship but a resilient Hull City have proven themselves worthy of Premier League status.
Bundesliga:
Worst: Jupp Heynckes (Borussia Moenchengladbach)
- I expected better from the Borussia Moenchengladbach coach with the stars he has at the club. See Germany is as easy as you think!
Best: Ralf Rangnick (Hoffiehiem)
- Same as Phil Brown but better.
La Liga:
Worst: Jose Manuel Esnal (Espanyol recently sacked)
- His sacking was justified by his league position. JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ESPANYOL.
Best: Pep Guardiola (Barca)
- Reason Evident.
Serie A:
Worst: Walter Mazzarri (Sampdoria)
- It wouldn't be a surprise if Cassano leave his effort is outstanding but 1 player can't win a game without support and the manager should know that.
Best: Giampiero Gasperini (Genoa)
3rd isn't too shabby for a team who got promoted recently.
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tito covered europe quite well i think
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EPL:
Worst: Scolari
Best: Phil Brown
Bundesliga:
Worst: N/A
Best: Martin Jol
La Liga:
Worst: Bernd Schuster
Best: Guardiola
Serie A:
Worst: Massimiliano Allegri
Best: Jose Mourinho
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alright what about all time best managers of each league
Seria A: Mancini
La liga: Del Bosque
EPL: :dontknow:
Bundesliga: the guy that made bayern win like three titles in a row, the old guy always wears a coat
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alright what about all time best managers of each league
Seria A: Mancini
La liga: Del Bosque
EPL: :dontknow:
Bundesliga: the guy that made bayern win like three titles in a row, the old guy always wears a coat
don't you think thats bias
plus you need alot more knowledge to much such strong claims
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lol
mancini is bias
but del bosque noting in the world can match the team he created
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Okay enough of that
New TOD:
Whats your view on Luciano Spelletti (ROMA)?
- Start off disastrous but recently Roma have been in unstoppable form
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I heard Scolari was caught in the shower with Buffon. Is that true?
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I heard Scolari was caught in the shower with Buffon. Is that true?
Reuters:
"Today in the soccer world, Italian goalkeeper Gigi Buffon and Chelsea manager Luis Felipe Scolari were caught in a shower, causing great scandal"
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I think Spaletti has turned this Roma team around (no shit) by fixing something either in the lineup, attitude, or the formation
plus, leagues are always more interesting to watch when there are a multitude of teams that are playing well
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i was watching an interview on ESPN with Hoffienhiems coach
did you know his teams average age is 22
shit they are like arsenal just with better results
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i was watching an interview on ESPN with Hoffienhiems coach
did you know his teams average age is 22
shit they are like arsenal just with better results
and players who know how to attack. I mean watching them is crazy. They just go all out on attack. Great team to watch :rockit:
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well with ibsevic out we'll have to wait and see what happens
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well with ibsevic out we'll have to wait and see what happens
the owner is a billionaire i just learnt
so they might replace Ibesevic
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Well they won without him and if you knew the owner, he's not the guy to just splash money like Roman at Chelsea or the Arabs at man city
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they bought sanogo(or loaned him?) from werder bremen but that wont really replace ibisevics gap, he really was playing amazing. He was on pace to beat gerd muller record of like 45 goals in a season, apparently
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okay new TOD
Was Scolari pathetic or was it some work at the back and some unfortunate events his real downfall?
and what was the biggest factor?
- Drogba being out of form
- Failure to capture Robinho
- Too many good midfielders
- 4-5-1 formation
- Anelka v Drogba
- Abrom
- Injuries
- Lack of CDMs to control play (Makka leaving and Essiens injury)
- etc
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- etc
makelele leaving
- Injuries
michael essien's bum knee deserves its own listing
not that i'd choose either one of them as the biggest, but i think that they deserved to be listed
too early to send him packing imo. i would imagine that he clashed with the chelsea backroom. he likes people to stay out of his shit
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point heard
- Lack of CDMs to control play (Makka leaving and Essiens injury)
:thumbsup:
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I think the 4-5-1 formation is a HUGE one
you can't isolate a striker like that
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4-5-1 isn't a problem. the special one used to run it all of the time
it can be a 4-3-3 in attack
without getting too far into it (not having watched too much soccer this season), i think scolari was on the right path for what he tried to implement
deco is going to almost always be there in support. if you have good wing play (i.e. support for your striker), it works out fine. add in frank lampard getting forward and everything's kosher
i think he would have been able to do a lot more w/quaresma, and if robinho comes in at the beginning of the season, i think scolari is still at chelsea
most soccer formations are about 5/3's as fluid as they seem. fuck, manchester united won the champions league and the league last season w/o employing a true striker
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Cech
Bosingwa Terry (Carvalho) Cole
(Essien)
Deco Lampard Kaluo
Anelka
Drogba
( ) - Injuried players
Italic - Should've played more often
Bold - Never played as well as they could
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yeah
i don't know about kalou there, though.
something like this would've looked damned good for what he was trying to do:
essien
quaresma deco lampard robinho
drogba/anelka
or (for how it turned out)
essien
quaresma deco lampard kalou/malouda
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forgot about Malouda love watching him play at his best
yeah
i don't know about kalou there, though.
it obviously is in a more attacking role
Cech
Bosingwa Terry (Carvalho) Cole
(Essien)
Lampard
Deco
Kaluo
Anelka
Drogba
more like that
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Chelsea played a 4-1-4-1 for everyones information
i think its personally a horrible formation unless u have a solid CDM in which case Obi Mikel isnt
I actually think it was Drogba's situation. Anelka was top 3 for leading scorer when Drogba came back then had to sit on the bench for like 3 games as Drogba didnt contribute nearly as much as he did
I think Hiddink will make them do a 180 turn
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should we expect any titles this season?
example F.A. Cup, Champions League or even (yeah i luagh at it too) Premier League
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I highly doubt they can win the Premier League, since they already faced United twice, and the only ground they can expect to make up is if United lose.
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i think they might get really close and people will give Guus props for doing as much as he could with the current situation but they wont win anything this year. They just seem to have lost the drive
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Mourinho says he wishes to manage Chelsea in the future!
What do you think about that?
Will Guus be around next season?
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Chelsea played a 4-1-4-1 for everyones information
which is mostly interchangeable w/a 4-5-1, unelss you're running some whacked out fucking rack 'em willie 4-5-1
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Mourinho says he wishes to manage Chelsea in the future!
What do you think about that?
Will Guus be around next season?
Mourinho said he'll coach for another 15 yrs and chelsea will be more towards the end, not like next season. Guus is still with Russia and is staying with themand judging by his commitment to Russia, there's no way he'll be with Chelsea next season.
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jose is not going back to chelsea....he is going to stay in inter because they have a better chance of winning then chelsea has
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not quite erick seeing as he said himself " I would like to return to Chelsea at some point in my career"
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Mourinho says he wishes to manage Chelsea in the future!
What do you think about that?
Will Guus be around next season?
Mourinho said he'll coach for another 15 yrs and chelsea will be more towards the end, not like next season. Guus is still with Russia and is staying with themand judging by his commitment to Russia, there's no way he'll be with Chelsea next season.
he said himself " I would like to return to Chelsea at some point in my career"
from what i read Sule is right he never said he any time range or when he wants to do what
but still its unlikely that he will next season
he is doing well with Inter
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not quite erick seeing as he said himself " I would like to return to Chelsea at some point in my career"
in soccer people change their minds a lot....maybe he just said that to show other clubs that he might leave inter and that equals more money
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isn't Guus just a temporary manager
i'm sure he is, just until chelsea can find a another long term manager
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isn't Guus just a temporary manager
i'm sure he is, just until chelsea can find a another long term manager
he is temporary put only if he isn't good enough
if he produces he stays
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isn't Guus just a temporary manager
i'm sure he is, just until chelsea can find a another long term manager
IMO they should give aguirre a shot :cursing:
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new topic anyone?
if so then:
Should Slaven Bilic (Croatia's coach) move to a big or small club?(if and when he does move)
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good see someone is helping me with this topic
he should go to a mediocre team not too big not too small
kinda like Steve McLaren at FC Twente look at them now they are doing good in the league and Uefa Cup
Bilic should go to a EPL team (for more publicity) eg. Middelbrough after their manager is finally fired
sorry to go abit of topic
Guss Hidink said he will not be at Chelsea after this season
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good see someone is helping me with this topic
he should go to a mediocre team not too big not too small
kinda like Steve McLaren at FC Twente look at them now they are doing good in the league and Uefa Cup
Bilic should go to a EPL team (for more publicity) eg. Middelbrough after their manager is finally fired
sorry to go abit of topic
Guss Hidink said he will not be at Chelsea after this season
He got his first win today against Villa, not bad.
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please lets stay on topic
new topic anyone?
if so then:
Should Slaven Bilic (Croatia's coach) move to a big or small club?(if and when he does move)
don't want to be the one puts this discussion off its track cause i hate when a question is unanswered
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seeing as im croatian i feel it is my duty to voice my opinion
I think he should head to the Bundesliga to give them back some pride in European Championships. The last German Club to win Uefa Cup, or Champs League was Bayern v Valencia in 00-01.
Then again the way he makes the team play could do very very well in just about all leagues in Europe
I can see the future of management wars be Zola v Bilic just as nowadays its Mourinho v (all challengers)
He also said after 2010 in South Africa he's leaving the National Team
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :nopity:
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good see someone is helping me with this topic
he should go to a mediocre team not too big not too smallkinda like Steve McLaren at FC Twente look at them now they are doing good in the league and Uefa Cup
Bilic should go to a EPL team (for more publicity) eg. Middelbrough after their manager is finally fired
sorry to go abit of topic
Guss Hidink said he will not be at Chelsea after this season
i agree with that
i love managers that go to low ranked teams and take them to the top
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okay new TOD:
who is next to be fired? (any league)
Who will replace them? (above question)
And
Who is next for Chelsea?
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Rijkaard is apparently either AC Milan or Chelsea
I think Ancelotti is the next to go with Rijkaard / Erikkson to replace him.
I actually hope that a team from like Holland or Germany starts playing amazing football (The Hoff for ex.)
These are the teams that make the Champs League entertaing because they really stretch Big teams lines and push em to the limit
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I just wanted to ask what you guys felt on the manager "skill" effect performances
How much of an effect does a manager really have on a team performances?
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How much of an effect does a manager really have on a team performances?
a whole hell of a lot
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How much of an effect does a manager really have on a team performances?
a whole hell of a lot
seconded :thumbsup:
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Does an attack minded manager mean more goals consided and scored or is it the players as a whole that change the play type?
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the manager changes it through mentality and formation
he decides when and how the team moves
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Does an attack minded manager mean more goals consided and scored or is it the players as a whole that change the play type?
are you asking these questions because you're stupid or because you want our opinions?
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Does an attack minded manager mean more goals consided and scored or is it the players as a whole that change the play type?
are you asking these questions because you're stupid or because you want our opinions?
As if the GREAT TITO doesn't have the footballing knowledge to form his own arguments
Just wanna see what you guys think that's all
Also trying to spark something and return this section to it's era of dominance
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new discussion
do you think that if ancelloti takes charge of chelsea,he can bring em glory?
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no, i dont think he'll make a couple of silly signings to keep Abramovic happy but he'll have the fans hating him and eventually get fired
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Petty stiaght forward answer
I actually think a manager like Ancelloti will improve a already strond Chelsea team.
He'll get the best out of Drogba and will win the Premeir League in his first two season (Either first or second)
But will as sule said get fired because he could win the CL
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hmmmmm,i havent seen anything of ancelloti as i only see the epl.some say he's gud some say not,lol,i think whatever happens they'll atleast win the fa cup or carling cup next year
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FA Cup or Carling Cup are a must specially if he wants to get away with other things
Ancelloti is a great manager but the problem with Chelsea isn't the players or managers until Abrom stops putting special emphases on certain things such as CL and winning in style the team will play with tension and will not perform at every game
In the EPL 50% of teams play long balls and use roughneck tactics (who can blame them with the budget they got) but you can't really play fulid free flowing football if the ball is in the air 90% of the time
I can understand if Abrom demands good football against teams that play with the same style because Chelsea should be stronger at that field
Abrom needs to start thinking of result then style or he'll never get anywhere with Chelsea soon
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hes just a stubborn rich bastard who wants what all people with money and power want....more of it
Its hard to say that Ancelotti will get the best out of Drogba because that's what Hiddink did while he was in charge and if Ancelotti does do that then he'll probably make the focal of attack Drogba so where does the leagues top scorer fit into place, Anelka?
I just dont think Ancelotti can run a tight ship with huge expectations around him
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Anelka is alot more versatile than Drogba
He can play Winger, Second Striker and in Attacking Mid
Anelka can also play along side Drogba and make Drog work for it
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well,i think he'll need to make atleast one signing,that should be one big name striker or winger.
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ancelotti said if he goes o chelsea he will take seedorf with him, and seedorf at chelsea and in the EPL dont make a good mix
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Seedorf is too old and alot of people have lost respect for him. Why? I have no idea seeing as he was a world-class player
Seedorf should stay at Milan till the end, no point in pulling a shevchenko
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On the contrary, I think Seddoff would be a great signing he is a great dictator of play and with him Lampard can be move attacking
He could also play wing
Seddoff could perfectly play between Essien and Lampard
Chelsea could move to a one striker style
Cech
Bosingwa Terry Carvahlo A.Cole
Essien
Seddoff Lampard
Kaluo Anelka
Drogba
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not related
i dont know why but tito,why are you playing a striker on the wings when you have a great winger present in j.cole?
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I am not a big fan of Joe Cole
And Kaluo is a winger
Anelka often drifts into midfield and into wide position
correct me if i'm wrong but for Bolton we was practically a ATTACKING winger as in striker but often found at the winger
And that's how he scored goals like this
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what was that match when chelsea were losing and they put anelka on and he played on the wing and did fucking great, he set up a goal and scored 1 i think. what match was that?
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it was against liverpool at stamford bridge when kalou was subbed to bring on Anelka,besides it was drogba's goal
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regardless Anelka can play on the wing and did do again against Everton at Webley
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regardless Anelka can play on the wing and did do again against Everton at Webley
that is because we dont have a gud rw right now
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Anelka is a good winger but a great striker
If Drogba gets back to his lone role upfront you can count on Anelka to boss the wing
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anyways.
its done,ancelloti new chelsea manager
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new TOPIC:
Will the management rehaul at Real Madrid bring positive change? (Perez,Zidane,etc)
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I think if they can bring in a stolid Defender they can do it
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currently they are on to kaka
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some places say hes already confirmed albeit for a last minute Chelsea bid to stall the preceedings
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haha that was fake,no bid came from chelsea
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Imagine nothing at all was happening lol
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NEW TOPIC
what do you think will sir alex ferguson do next season after loosing two huge players in ronaldo and tevez?
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2009/2010 will be one of Ferguson's biggest seasons. If the can win the league again, he will be held in even bigger regard. If I were him, I'd retire after that. Not sure if he'll be able to pull it off though. He still has the most talented squad, but Ronaldo and Tevez have left big holes.
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new TOPIC:
Will the management rehaul at Real Madrid bring positive change? (Perez,Zidane,etc)
Perez is a business man he wants to increase and double the sponsorship they got with addidas he also want to get a higher year income than Madrid has ever had.
He is signing players for fun
I think if they can bring in a stolid Defender they can do it
This hope is now dead
Perez said "When you are young and you got no skills where does the coach play you?"
"DEFENSE!"
He won't be signing too many defender
But i think Garay and Alboila will do well (not on a weekly basis but enough for them to still be top)
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NEW TOPIC
what do you think will sir alex ferguson do next season after loosing two huge players in ronaldo and tevez?
buy owen and valencia and potentially obertan
honestly, though, i think he reverts back to a more traditional set-up. puts shrek back up front. ronaldo is a huge loss, but they have a good enough squad to still challenge for the title (i.e. stay top four). further analysis is reserved until after the transfer window closes
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NEW TOPIC
Can Arsene Wenger rekindle his previous team 'the invisibles' or even get a top four finish this season?
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Big challenge, but possible.
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its gonna take a lot of new players
Vieria espically
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Yes he can
If he plans to buy a CB thats more useful than Silvestre and a DM (what everyone wants)
Alotta changes this transfer window, next year gonna be interesting
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yes,he can make to the top 4 but definitely not the invincibles again.You'll see the real class of bendtner in the coming season.
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yes,he can make to the top 4 but definitely not the invincibles again.You'll see the real class of bendtner in the coming season.
The words CLASS and BENDTNER in the same sentence. :booty:
I like his style and cockiness tho. But the lad is terrible.
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not terrible just he makes the hard things look like a walk in the park and he only completes the easy things like 50% of the time