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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: Bow on Feb 08, 2008, 04:13: AM
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Been watching a few conspiracy videos... some that I have seen before like loose change ect
Links to some videos ( if you have any more for or against post them )
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501
very very good ---- http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
we av had this topic many times before... personally. I haven't made my mind up yet.... I think part of me wants to think it wasnt, then again we weren't told everything which makes you believe some aspects of it were known by the government.... or planned by them....
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some idiots in my class think bush planned it :rolleyes: :lol:
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some idiots in my class think bush planned it :rolleyes: :lol:
i wudnt go as far to sayin bush planned it... but there are a lot of people who believe it was in inside job... with evidence
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theres been threads about loose change before here i think stas was the one who made it. after watching loose change i believe that it was planned out but i guess its a bit of a sensative subject and best keeping my opinions to myself.
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watch the 2nd 1 chunk http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/... starts off a bit slowly talking about religion, if your relgious you may get offended so watch it with an open mind... but after you have watched the whole of the video... it is really genius... opens your eyes a bit.
it is a sensitive subject... but if people give opinions respectfully... it can be quite a intellectual debate
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yeah i agree im not religious but some here might be and the past threads touching religion havnt gone too well lol
im wathcing the second vid now 2 hours should keep me busy.
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i was sucked in by loose change and then i watched the official reply to loose change. now i kinda dont care.
what a do care about is this
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i love conspiracys and the part when he was hitting ice cubes with that toy ship was funny lol i think ill try and read up more on the titanic conspiracy.
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Id rather just blame this on terroists, arabic or american :dontknow:
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with so many view points on different matters it makes me think of the dialetic...as hengel interpretted it with every idea (a thesis) such as terrorists attacking 9/11 there becomes and oppsoite idea (antithesis) which is the conspiracy of an inside job and these two ideas will cause conflict until one idea that is usally a mixture of the first two is produce (the synthesis) and here with people not sure of what they now or dont know it seems that people are at the break of the synthesis point
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i doubt it was an inside job
2 planes hijacked by terroists crashed into the buildings, what more proof of an outside job do you need lol
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i doubt it was an inside job
2 planes hijacked by terroists crashed into the buildings, what more proof of an outside job do you need lol
now i dunno too much about this issue, but the zeitgeist video is very convincing. what would be ur response to that?
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Naah, I don't believe it really...
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
Check this site up you who believe the conspiracy
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i doubt it was an inside job
2 planes hijacked by terroists crashed into the buildings, what more proof of an outside job do you need lol
most of the apparent hijackers.... are still alive
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some idiots in my class think bush planned it :rolleyes: :lol:
i wudnt go as far to sayin bush planned it... but there are a lot of people who believe it was in inside job... with evidence
i don't think bush has the intellect to plan this.
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Whether it was a conspiracy or not what makes me sick is how many million innocent Iraqis and Afghans where killed because 3000 Americans died. They still haven't found Bin Laden or any WMDs in Iraq. Most people now know the wars are not about taking down 'terrorists' its about money, oil and control of the Middle East. Which makes it seem more like the US was looking for an excuse to invade and what better way than to blow everything up and blame it on a none existent enemy. :bs:
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i just watched zeitgiest. all i can say is wow.
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have no idea owen, i havent seen the video
but il watch it today after work
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Whether it was a conspiracy or not what makes me sick is how many million innocent Iraqis and Afghans where killed because 3000 Americans died. They still haven't found Bin Laden or any WMDs in Iraq. Most people now know the wars are not about taking down 'terrorists' its about money, oil and control of the Middle East. Which makes it seem more like the US was looking for an excuse to invade and what better way than to blow everything up and blame it on a none existent enemy. :bs:
couldnt agree more. :cheers:
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i just watched zeitgiest. all i can say is wow.
when i watched it... at the start i thought it was a bit boring... then wen it kicked off i thought... we aint really told shit about what actually happens
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whats funny is, that film made me so paranoid i thought that the film could easily be made up and faked.
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found this on some random site:
A lot of folks can't understand how we came
to have an oil shortage here in our country.
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Well, there's a very simple answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located in
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ALASKA
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California
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Coastal Florida
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Coastal Louisiana
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Kansas
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Oklahoma
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Pennsylvania
and
Texas
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Our
DIPSTICKS
are located in
Washington, DC!!!
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hahahaha thats awesome!
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Whether it was a conspiracy or not what makes me sick is how many million innocent Iraqis and Afghans where killed because 3000 Americans died. They still haven't found Bin Laden or any WMDs in Iraq. Most people now know the wars are not about taking down 'terrorists' its about money, oil and control of the Middle East. Which makes it seem more like the US was looking for an excuse to invade and what better way than to blow everything up and blame it on a none existent enemy. :bs:
To say the least, we got the animal that's named Saddam Hussein.
Now it's time to get the fuck out of there.
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Animal? Yeah he was. But you have to admit Iraq was in a much better condition when he was in charge people where not being murdered on the streets like this. The US occupation has only sparked lawlessness and ethnic rivalries both didn't really exist under Saddam. Now the US has sparked a civil war even if they do pull out, Iraq will still be a mess. They make him out to be an animal, he was the same dictator the US used to fight proxy wars against Iran. :down:
America are backing Mubarak in Egypt and Musharaf in Pakistan and all over the world there are dictators with no ''democratic elections'' who usually take out their rivals. Where the the world police??? People need to understand it wasn't about Saddam, because if it was than US would be fighting wars all over the world. The most brutal dictators where the Us backed.
Heres a few dictators the CIA and other US agencies has backed in the passed. Notice all the mass murderers? and how most of them where never punished for their crimes.
General Jorge Rafael Videla, President of ARGENTINA
Colonel Hugo Banzer, President of BOLIVIA
General Humberto Branco, President of BRAZIL
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah, the Sultan of BRUNEI
General Augusto Pinochet, President of CHILE
Fulgencio Batista, President of CUBA
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, President of the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez, General of EL SALVADOR
Alfredo Cristiani, President of EL SALVADOR
Halie Selassie, Emperor of ETHIOPIA
General Sitiveni Rabuka, Commander, Armed Forces of FIJI
Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of GERMANY
George Papadopoulos, Prime Minister of GREECE
General Efrain Rios Mont, President of GUATEMALA
Vinicio Cerezo, President of GUATEMALA
François & Jean Claude Duvalier, Presidents-for-Life of HAITI
Roberto Suazo Cordova, President of HONDURAS
General Suharto, President of INDONESIA
Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, Shah of IRAN, King of Kings
General Samuel Doe, President of LIBERIA
Hussan II, King of MOROCCO
Anastasio Somoza, Sr. And Jr., Presidents of NICARAGUA
Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq, President of PAKISTAN
General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Defense forces, PANAMA
Alfredo Stroessner, President-for-Life of PARAGUAY
Ferdinand Marcos, President of the PHILIPPINES
Antonio De Oliveira Salazar, Prime Minister of PORTUGAL
Ian Smith, Prime Minister of RHODESIA
P. W. Botha, President of SOUTH AFRICA
Park Chung Hee, President of SOUTH KOREA
Ngo Dinh Diem, President of SOUTH VIET NAM
General Francisco Franco, President of SPAIN
Chiang Kai-Shek, President of TAIWAN
Turgut Ozal, Prime Minister of TURKEY
Mobutu Sese Seko, President of ZAIRE
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Saddam Hussein killed innocent people. We don't even know half of it here. He's killed people for no good reason. And this was not done just a few times, he's done it to hundreds, probably thousands of people. The only reason he remained in charge was because people feared him. That's not what you want. Most people wanted him out of there, but were too afraid to speak out. Once he was killed, you could see people were happy. The only ones backing him were extremists who were insane like him.
As far as the post-Saddam era goes, that remains a question mark. I believe the US needs to get out of these and let them run the show. Maybe they can find a way to create a democracy with a new leader. People over there dislike the US for the most part. They won't all of a sudden like the Americans, so I think it's best to get out of there. This hate is something that's passed from one generation to another. Until the current generation over there is gone, things will not change in regard to them liking the US.
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Animal? Yeah he was. But you have to admit Iraq was in a much better condition when he was in charge people where not being murdered on the streets like this. The US occupation has only sparked lawlessness and ethnic rivalries both didn't really exist under Saddam. Now the US has sparked a civil war even if they do pull out, Iraq will still be a mess. They make him out to be an animal, he was the same dictator the US used to fight proxy wars against Iran. :down:
America are backing Mubarak in Egypt and Musharaf in Pakistan and all over the world there are dictators with no ''democratic elections'' who usually take out their rivals. Where the the world police??? People need to understand it wasn't about Saddam, because if it was than US would be fighting wars all over the world. The most brutal dictators where the Us backed.
Heres a few dictators the CIA and other US agencies has backed in the passed. Notice all the mass murderers? and how most of them where never punished for their crimes.
General Jorge Rafael Videla, President of ARGENTINA
Colonel Hugo Banzer, President of BOLIVIA
General Humberto Branco, President of BRAZIL
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah, the Sultan of BRUNEI
General Augusto Pinochet, President of CHILE
Fulgencio Batista, President of CUBA
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, President of the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez, General of EL SALVADOR
Alfredo Cristiani, President of EL SALVADOR
Halie Selassie, Emperor of ETHIOPIA
General Sitiveni Rabuka, Commander, Armed Forces of FIJI
Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of GERMANY
George Papadopoulos, Prime Minister of GREECE
General Efrain Rios Mont, President of GUATEMALA
Vinicio Cerezo, President of GUATEMALA
François & Jean Claude Duvalier, Presidents-for-Life of HAITI
Roberto Suazo Cordova, President of HONDURAS
General Suharto, President of INDONESIA
Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, Shah of IRAN, King of Kings
General Samuel Doe, President of LIBERIA
Hussan II, King of MOROCCO
Anastasio Somoza, Sr. And Jr., Presidents of NICARAGUA
Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq, President of PAKISTAN
General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Defense forces, PANAMA
Alfredo Stroessner, President-for-Life of PARAGUAY
Ferdinand Marcos, President of the PHILIPPINES
Antonio De Oliveira Salazar, Prime Minister of PORTUGAL
Ian Smith, Prime Minister of RHODESIA
P. W. Botha, President of SOUTH AFRICA
Park Chung Hee, President of SOUTH KOREA
Ngo Dinh Diem, President of SOUTH VIET NAM
General Francisco Franco, President of SPAIN
Chiang Kai-Shek, President of TAIWAN
Turgut Ozal, Prime Minister of TURKEY
Mobutu Sese Seko, President of ZAIRE
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them
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well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them
well duh, thats the point. they were genocidal silly billies and us agencies still financially backed them.
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Saddam Hussein killed innocent people. We don't even know half of it here. He's killed people for no good reason. And this was not done just a few times, he's done it to hundreds, probably thousands of people. The only reason he remained in charge was because people feared him. That's not what you want. Most people wanted him out of there, but were too afraid to speak out. Once he was killed, you could see people were happy. The only ones backing him were extremists who were insane like him.
As far as the post-Saddam era goes, that remains a question mark. I believe the US needs to get out of these and let them run the show. Maybe they can find a way to create a democracy with a new leader. People over there dislike the US for the most part. They won't all of a sudden like the Americans, so I think it's best to get out of there. This hate is something that's passed from one generation to another. Until the current generation over there is gone, things will not change in regard to them liking the US.
I agree with the bold part 100% he was an evil mother fucker. :thumbsup:. I know lots of Iraqi people and everyone of them will tell you they hated him but they will also tell you Iraq was in a much better situation under him than it is now. Of course not everyone hated him because you can't stay win power for that long if everyone hates you. He kept a balance he helped those who supported him and tortured those who opposed him, which is wrong. But the US didn't go into Iraq to take him out it was an excuse because they could have taken him out long ago. No one really trusts the US government anymore.
The death tolls are raising everyday, your CNNs and Fox news' don't tell you whats really happening on the streets the real figures of civilian casualties. I even reckon the American troops death toll is much higher than they are saying its a big mess. The Us pulls out everyone will turn on the puppets they put in charge. Sad to say but civil war is pretty much unavoidable :bang:.
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well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them
well duh, thats the point. they were genocidal silly billies and us agencies still financially backed them.
wtf? hitler had nothing 2 do with da USA
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and the thing is america went to iraq and afganistan for "weapons of mass destruction" they found 0, we all know they went there for the oil, everything they do is for money... the longer the war goes on the more money they get. They don't seem to really care about there troops, or the loss of lives, its alll about money. The current us government are just as bad as saddam was.
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The UN, for once, was right with all the mass destruction investigating. The US wouldn't listen though.