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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: manutd. on Oct 27, 2008, 04:21: AM
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The United winger was presented with the award by Sir Alex Ferguson at Carrington on Monday. The 23-year-old scored an incredible 42 goals on his way to helping United reach a Premier League and Champions League Double.
"To be recognised by my fellow players is amazing," he said. "I would like to thank my team-mates and coaches and everyone involved at United and the national team, as well as my family and friends for their support."
Reds boss Sir Alex handed Ronaldo the award and said that he hoped there were many more like it to come at OId Trafford. It’s the first of what is expected to be a string of global awards for the Portuguese attacker, who has also been nominated for the prestigious Ballon d’Or award.
Ronaldo was also named in the FIFPro World Team of the Year, as was his team-mate Rio Ferdinand, who collected the honours for their achievements from Professional Footballers Association chief Gordon Taylor.
FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).
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And I suggest you read the interview, it's pretty good, he has matured a lot since the summer chaos..
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6621324&page=1
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he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
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he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.
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he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.
so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player. there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.
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he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.
so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player. there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.
Taking those penalties is not easy, especially in very important games where your penalty decides the game. Most of his goals didn't come from the spot either.
You are an idiot for claiming Ronaldo is not the best because he doesn't play offense and defense. Most of the players selected for this award (except Cannavaro) are only offensive players. You shouldn't expect a forward to play defense. Most forwards are terrible at defending. If you haven't realized, Ronaldo plays more of a forward role than a midfield role.
Do you realize how many assists Ronaldo has? Everytime he's in the final third he causes danger. He sets his team mates up plenty. You are just too ignorant to see it.
And please tell me how Messi, Torres, Ruud play any more defense than Ronaldo? You are out of your mind with your arguements. I suggest you take a less naive and ignorant view of Ronaldo. You might then be able to see the greatness in him. I also don't see how you can say that Ronaldo doesn't make an impact on his team. Did you not realize that Man U is not a top 3 team in England without him. He is the reason they are winning titles. HE, nobody else, nobody else on that team has more of an impact on the team than him.
FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).
That's about as good as it's going to get with these awards. I believe the above line up is very accurate when it comes to the best players.
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He missed a penalty v Barca and gets death threats, Adi is right, it's not easy.
Rooney plays defensively and gets criticized that he is not playing his position, I'm sure if Ronaldo played defensively then everybody would say the same thing.
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he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.
so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player. there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.
Taking those penalties is not easy, especially in very important games where your penalty decides the game. Most of his goals didn't come from the spot either.
You are an idiot for claiming Ronaldo is not the best because he doesn't play offense and defense. Most of the players selected for this award (except Cannavaro) are only offensive players. You shouldn't expect a forward to play defense. Most forwards are terrible at defending. If you haven't realized, Ronaldo plays more of a forward role than a midfield role.
Do you realize how many assists Ronaldo has? Everytime he's in the final third he causes danger. He sets his team mates up plenty. You are just too ignorant to see it.
And please tell me how Messi, Torres, Ruud play any more defense than Ronaldo? You are out of your mind with your arguements. I suggest you take a less naive and ignorant view of Ronaldo. You might then be able to see the greatness in him. I also don't see how you can say that Ronaldo doesn't make an impact on his team. Did you not realize that Man U is not a top 3 team in England without him. He is the reason they are winning titles. HE, nobody else, nobody else on that team has more of an impact on the team than him.
FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).
That's about as good as it's going to get with these awards. I believe the above line up is very accurate when it comes to the best players.
defense doesn't mean playing far back on the pitch. it means working to help your team defend and get the ball back. torres does a very good job at applying pressure from his striker position. he works hard to win the ball back. Messi and ruud do this as well especially when they lose possession of the ball. ronaldo typically after losing possession puts his hands on his head and stops. also you mention assists. since when is 5 or 6 six assist ground breaking. ronaldo has never been considered a great passer of the ball. he gets assist every now and than from dribbling players and crossing the ball, not making brilliant passes throughout matches. oh on this topic, rooney and tevez both are probably as important or more than ronaldo is to united. they work hard and play make while ronaldo finishes chances. if you need more proof look at ronaldo on portugal instead of for united. he is far less successful, because he doesn't have the talent supplying him the ball. football is a team sport. it will never truly be dominated by an individual type player like ronaldo. true great players are like maradona, zidane, best. they play for their team, and not just for their own personal glory. i will admit ronaldo on talent is one of the top players in the world, but to truly be the best you also need to work hard and play smarter than what ronaldo does. if you really think united isn't a top 3 team without ronaldo, you my friend are the retard. minus ronaldo united still have the most talented roster in the premier league with maybe the exception of chelsea. no one player ever made a team, so i would like to see less of the ronaldo bandwagon saying he is better than whole teams.
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He might not have the perfect attitude when it comes to defending but it doesn't mean he's not the best player right now. If we talk about right now (this instance), I'd say Messi is just ahead of him, but looking at the whole year, I would put Ronaldo first.
Ronaldo may not be known for his passing, but since when is passing the only way of creating chances for your team mates? Ronaldo is not bad with his passing which means it's not a liability for him. He's not a goalkeeper when it comes to passing. The guy can still play a good through ball. It's not his strength, but his other ways of creating chances (dribbling, speed, shooting) make up for that slight lack of a perfect pass. Other midfielders (Gerrard) don't have the speed or dribbling ability. I can make your kind of argument any day.
Get your facts straight. Ronaldo scored 42 goals last year and 9 assists. God knows how many more goals were scored because of Ronaldo's shots that were dropped by the keeper or how he beats 3 guys plays it to someone else and then they give the final pass. And this year alone, Ronaldo already has 12 assists plus 12 goals.
By the way, about Tevez and Rooney you say "they work hard and play make while ronaldo finishes chances." What kind of shit is this? Ronaldo sets these guys up way more than they set him up. Ronaldo creates his own chances most of the time. You don't see Tevez or Rooney created their own shit too often. Occasionally they do but nowhere near as much as Ronaldo does. And since when does the higher forward score less and assist more than the one that sits underneath him? It shouldn't be like that and that's why SAF brought in Berbatov. Ronaldo needs someone ahead of him so he can set the forward up and roam around him.
Speaking of Portugal, have you ever thought of the fact that Portugal has no striker? Ronaldo has nobody ahead of him to play off of or to supply the ball to. Their strikers are shit and are not even average for a top caliber team. Teams man-mark Ronaldo or double team him due to the fact that nobody up top presents a danger. Put a decent forward up there and you'll see what kind of team Portugal becomes.
When did I say soccer is not a team game? Also, why are you talking about Zidane, Maradone, etc.? We are talking about who the best players are right now.
i will admit ronaldo on talent is one of the top players in the world, but to truly be the best you also need to work hard and play smarter than what ronaldo does.
So where does Ronaldo rank with his talent? #1? If so, I rest my case. I know Ronaldo works hard. I don't know what you are talking about with that statement. Maybe to you working hard is running like an idiot all over the pitch, and closing down every player. Ronaldo works hard and there's no doubt about that. He wouldn't be the success he is if he didn't work hard. Ronaldo also plays smart. He's not the player he used to be in his first few years where he just dribbled with his head down. You can see his scoring record to prove that.
I really think that Chelsea would be ahead of Man U if they didn't have Ronaldo. I think Liverpool would get second, and then it'd be close between Arsenal and Man U. Ronaldo really has a huge impact on that team. Did you not see how they struggled in the first 5+ games of the season? I know it's not a real assessment, but everytime I watch Man U, they play way better with Ronaldo in the line-up.
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By evening being on the field he attracts attention of the opponent defenders.. which opens up for other players. Not to mention his insane freekicks, and hes also a good head player.
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Ronaldo gets a lot of rebounds and corners off his freekicks. I can't remember how many chances Park got just from Ronaldo's freekicks. Even Solskjaer got a few goals like that 2 years ago. Ronaldo gets corners from free kicks and then you have Vidic and Ferdinand scoring from headers.
He creates many chances! :biggrin:
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Having read some of his arguments I belive Paris Hilton would own redsforlife in a football debate.
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sorry adi, but its obvious you are in love with ronaldo. maybe its his mesmorizing stepovers or his good looks, but you don't really know as much about football as you seem to think. ronaldo is a good player, but i just do not understand why people must be so obsessed with him. i would agree that he is in the top 15 players, but much closer to 15th than 1rst. any true manager will tell you that his lack of defense prevents him from being as useful the team as possible. also you mention him dribbling multiple players. he is better than he was in his first years at united, but he often takes on players when there were better option like passing to a teammate. oh one more news flash, united is still struggling, and ronaldo's performances have been far under par this season. rooney has actually been united's most useful player in attack even after ronaldo's return. how can you say that rooney and tevez don't create their own goals? they are two of the most talented players in the world as well. the reason you see it less is they play for their team, and pass when it is the better option.
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sorry adi, but its obvious you are in love with ronaldo. maybe its his mesmorizing stepovers or his good looks, but you don't really know as much about football as you seem to think.
You can ask anyone here and they'll tell you that I call things like I see them. I'm not like most people who dislike a player for something as silly as doing too many stepovers. I used to dislike Ronaldo when he played like a fool. Now, I'm not a fan of his but I defend him when people say he's not one of the top 3 players. I don't support United or Ronaldo, I just have an open mind when it comes to soccer.
What do you know about my knowledge of football? As three people mentioned above me, you seem to be the one with shitty arguments.
i would agree that he is in the top 15 players, but much closer to 15th than 1rst.
Please list the 14 players that are ahead of him. You fool...
any true manager will tell you that his lack of defense prevents him from being as useful the team as possible.
Is that why managers wanted him for 100 million this summer?
Please don't talk like you have spoken to "true" managers. Of course he'd be a better player if he could play great defensively. We can say that about any player. Every player misses something. It's the fact that he has a shit load of other tools in his bag that make his lack of defending not that big of a deal. In fact, his set of skills make him the best player in the world. I think I'll take the word of 100s of professionals who play with and against him over your shitty word.
:hello:
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players better than ronaldo in no particular order
kaka
pirlo
gerrard
torres
vannistelrooy
sneijder
xavi
eto'o
drogba
essien
messi
zlatan
ronaldo would fall somewhere after here. there are several players though around the same level though.
you mention how real was going to pay something like 90million for him. well in all honesty that was poor decision by SAF not to sell. no player is near worth that value, so he should have sold. Real has the type of team that thinks they need whoever the hot topic in world football is, so they will pay whatever is necessary for that player. well i'm done arguing with little kids and people who think they know football. i'll let you think what you want. i do agree that ronaldo will win most of these awards, but i don't think he is the player who deserves them most.
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why is every one going nuts, this is just a players award.
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what is this guy on about???
Ronaldo is clearly the best player in the world, you cant say anyone knows nothing about football because you sounds stupid in this thread, he play on the wing, scored 42 goals, and u say man u make him the player he is??? how does that work man u were strugglin big time with out him at the start of the season, do you watch man u or wat?? football isnt just about when you are on the ball, it is about your movement off it aswell, yea ronaldo doesnt defend that much, but he is an attacking midfielder so why wud he defend?? if you are a brick layer you dont lay all the bricks and then put the windows and doors in aswell, you leave the other jobs to people who are supposed to do that bit,
come on man get a grip, yes there are other GREAT players out there, but this year ronaldo was the best
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if you are a brick layer you dont lay all the bricks and then put the windows and doors in aswell, you leave the other jobs to people who are supposed to do that bit
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That's a quality post! :thumbsup:
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come on man get a grip, yes there are other GREAT players out there, but this year ronaldo was the best
he was never the best
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come on man get a grip, yes there are other GREAT players out there, but this year ronaldo was the best
he was never the best
So why did he score 42 goals? why was he amazing on and off the ball, why did he win the awards he has won? i watched him near enough every game last season and he was out of this world, which is why he has picked up the worlds best player award.... and yess he was the best
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I think he was the best player last year really, as much as I hate him, he was brilliant.
Clearly redsfor. is a lpool fan so doesn't like him anyway.
But I wouldn't say penalties are easy, but for pro. footballers they should be expected to score really. I think I could handle gettin a death threat if I was gettin all that money.
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come on man get a grip, yes there are other GREAT players out there, but this year ronaldo was the best
he was never the best
mmm...no...he was :thumbsup:
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come on man get a grip, yes there are other GREAT players out there, but this year ronaldo was the best
he was never the best
So why did he score 42 goals? why was he amazing on and off the ball, why did he win the awards he has won? i watched him near enough every game last season and he was out of this world, which is why he has picked up the worlds best player award.... and yess he was the best
any motherfucker can score goals :rolleyes:
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Damn, George Best must have sucked; you know, having his record beaten by Ronaldo. And Dennis Law? He only scored 3 goals more than Ronaldo, he must have sucked too. Anyone can score 40+ goals. That's why thier records have stood for over 40 years :lol:
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yeah
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yeah
Owned.
Nice pair of goals today for him too.
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yeah
Owned.
Nice pair of goals today for him too.
nice pair of suck a dick for you today
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the only players as good as ronaldo now are kaka and messi. redsforlife, I can't believe you put ppl like pirlo or xavi up with c. ronaldo... wtf! It's either you hate MUFC so much or you just hate ronaldo for no reason. he's improved MUFC teamplay and has improved in the offense side. he's assisted a lot of times and created so many chances for others to score. he's also a great dribbler and is unique in play. has great free kicks and is also a good attacker in terms of scoring by headers or kicks etc... and he has lead mufc to 2 premier league titles, a uefa champions league title and others...
so, I don't see how he shouldn't be the best this year... :dontknow:
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well all i'm gonna say is that i value all aspects of football just as much as goal scoring. ronaldo is a good player, but football is too much of a team sport to give him as much credit as he has been given. many of you have said that united has struggled in the beginning of the season, because of ronaldo's absence. well in my honest opinion, they probably would have struggled just as much if the missing player had been vidic, rooney, vandersaar, or a few other players on the team. the truth of the matter is that united won the league and CL last year because they were a great team, and if they were missing any of the important players they had last year it would have probably been different. i personally dislike the different personal awards that are given to players. i think the team aspect should be enforced more, and just have the trophies won by teams be the only awards given out.
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Damn, George Best must have sucked; you know, having his record beaten by Ronaldo. And Dennis Law? He only scored 3 goals more than Ronaldo, he must have sucked too. Anyone can score 40+ goals. That's why thier records have stood for over 40 years :lol:
yeah
Owned.
Nice pair of goals today for him too.
nice pair of suck a dick for you today
LMAO
Really though, this could be debated forever, it's all opinions.
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He knows he's wrong so that's his best comeback. :rolleyes:
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yeah
Owned.
Nice pair of goals today for him too.
nice pair of suck a dick for you today
:saywhat:....... :lol:
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He knows he's wrong so that's his best comeback. :rolleyes:
honestly i would prefer xavi, kaka, messi on my team then him. he would be my last choice in the world
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glad to know i made your reserve team :thumbsup:
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glad to know i made your reserve team :thumbsup:
reserves?
man your in my starting line up.
i'll put you up front with TW89
kaka can be your souporting AMF
i might take one of you off for messi but you guys with definetly start.
Adi i'll fit you with xavi as midfeilders
borg you can be the water boy along with c.ronaldo
no gay stuff you two, i'll be watching. the second one of you's start touching your both off.
you'll be bad influences on the rest of the players
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Haha, all that talk reminds me of Chunkchenko's video game thread where he made a team made up of all the members.
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glad to know i made your reserve team :thumbsup:
reserves?
man your in my starting line up.
i'll put you up front with TW89
kaka can be your souporting AMF
i might take one of you off for messi but you guys with definetly start.
Adi i'll fit you with xavi as midfeilders
borg you can be the water boy along with c.ronaldo
no gay stuff you two, i'll be watching. the second one of you's start touching your both off.
you'll be bad influences on the rest of the players
i never realized how bad some people try to play off being wrong about something until now :lol: :lol:
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i never realized how bad some people try to play off being wrong about something until now :lol: :lol:
:cheers:
His comebacks are pretty lame..
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i never realized how bad some people try to play off being wrong about something until now :lol: :lol:
:cheers:
His comebacks are pretty lame..
Forget that, I'm just honored I'm in the team! :thumbsup:
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glad to know i made your reserve team :thumbsup:
reserves?
man your in my starting line up.
i'll put you up front with TW89
kaka can be your souporting AMF
i might take one of you off for messi but you guys with definetly start.
Adi i'll fit you with xavi as midfeilders
borg you can be the water boy along with c.ronaldo
no gay stuff you two, i'll be watching. the second one of you's start touching your both off.
you'll be bad influences on the rest of the players
i never realized how bad some people try to play off being wrong about something until now :lol: :lol:
wow wow i'm just going on with something you started
alright lets get back to topic, c.ronaldo will never reach the standards of great players such as the real ronaldo, zidane and others.
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Back to the topic? This topic has nothing to do with Zidane :lol:
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zidane?
you fool we are talking about c.ronaldo and i said he will never be as good as them.
so stop your dickriding and posts that dont make sense.
and you have the guts to say shit about me when so make posts like that. disgusting :rolleyes:
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The topic was never about Ronaldo being as good as them to begin with..
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zidane?
you fool we are talking about c.ronaldo and i said he will never be as good as them.
so stop your dickriding and posts that dont make sense.
and you have the guts to say shit about me when so make posts like that. disgusting :rolleyes:
The topic about the FIFPro World Player of the year. I didn't know Zidane was in contention :lol: :lol: :lol:
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did you even read my post?
the discussion turned into is c.ronaldo good or not and i stated my believe.
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did you even read my post?
the discussion turned into is c.ronaldo good or not and i stated my believe.
You said let's get back to the topic. The topic reads "And the FIFPro Player of the year is.."
what part are you confused on?
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Oh oh, moby is getting agitated. :bang:
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Oh oh, moby is getting agitated. :bang:
lol
what ever man any fool can understand what i meant
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Ronaldo got the Ballon D'or. Messi came in second and Torres in third.
Robery was somehow way down in 16th. Last year he was around 7th place. WTF?! :saywhat:
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Finally a United player! :biggrin:
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Well deserved Ronaldo & Messi.. but Torres 3??
Arshavin being in the top 10, above Ibrahimovic, is a big fat joke to football. The most overrated player right now. Wtf have he done? Some good games in Euro 2008 but not much else.
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The whole thing is a joke. Players get robbed every year. Ibrahimovic >>> all of these cats
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I'd have to say Eto'o is better than Ibra and Torres. But then again, he probably didn't even make the top 20 :rolleyes:
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Torres has struggled this year, but this award is not about this season. Torres was very, very good last year. No major injuries and he scored tons of goals for Spain and Liverpool.
I agree with you guys about Arshavin. He isn't even the best player on Zenit if you ask me. Dani is a better and more consistent player.
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Ronaldo got the Ballon D'or. Messi came in second and Torres in third.
Robery was somehow way down in 16th. Last year he was around 7th place. WTF?! :saywhat:
yes Robery was robbed hardcore :thumbsup:
i gave up on fifa since canavaro won world player of the year.