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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: a;sdlfkjas;df on Oct 04, 2008, 07:08: AM
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i don't feel like bumping the other sports thread (essentially the mma thread)
kimbo v. ken shamrock on cbs for free tonight
while that will be pretty "entertaining (ken is a punch drunk old man, and kimbo is kimbo)," andre arlovski (great for a free card. top 10 heavyweight. it's a shame his fight isn't the main event) is on this card with gina carano (ridiculous for a woman)
i kind of hope that ken takes this to the ground (will end in murder). although, i don't really hate kimbo. so :dontknow:
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jyea , MMA is my favorite sport. Yo for some reason I think Shamrock is gonna take it just cause of his experience feel me??
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yeah, but he's 44, punch drunk, and hasn't won a fight in a long while
he's stupid, and i could see him doing something retarded
however, i would like to see him prove me wrong. not so much in that i would like to see kimbo get his ass beaten, i just want people to see what "real" mma fighting is like. hopefully they will tune in to see arlovski fight before the main event
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what time is this fight on tonight?
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i'm pretty sure 11 our time
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i need to get some 40's for that shit.
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rumor is that shamrock is a scratch
they're trying to replace him now (rumor)
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@elite: i lied. it's at 8
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hope this comes up on youtube. i have no idea how that shamrock looks but in my opinion kimbo is unbeatable
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he got beat in 13 seconds...... :rolleyes: yeah unbeatable
and he already did lose his last fight, 20 unanswered elbows??
the ref was stupid not to stop it in his last fight
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Lmao I knew Kimbo would get eat up in the ring. These dudes are pros, I remember when Kimbo beat Ray Mercer people where like hes gonna break through. He hasn't got a chance.
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granted, seth petruzelli isn't a complete can (i.e. a pretty good fighter), but he's a light heavyweight. he weighed in at a full, i don't know, 30 pounds less than kimbo
:lol:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/32459/kimbo-seth-2_medium.gif)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/e9t0ki.jpg)
in other news, andre arlovski killed the fat dude and gina carano is fucking hot
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Son got done!
You'd pissed if you payed for that fight though, unless you had a bet on SP lol
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gina carano uhhhhhh stick....it......to.......you......girl yeah :banana: :3some:
"So how do you feel that Tim Silva is dating your ex girlfriend now?"
"I have nutting much to say about thees, all i say is, Tim Silva, How taste my big pee-pee?"
Andre Arlovski is that dude, hes a fucking sav and funny as shit
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I wonder what would've happened had he not fallen right away. Looked unfortunate.
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I dont understand how kimbo fell there
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I dont understand how kimbo fell there
I thought the same, but then after seeing it in slow-mo you can see he gets hit in the face.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZj3Alof_8
Wasn't even a big punch, but maybe kimbo has a glass jaw, idk.
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I wonder what would've happened had he not fallen right away. Looked unfortunate.
he didn't fall. he ate a fist. he took a front kick and got hit square on the chin. he walked straight into it. pretty bush league
he probably would have been picked apart
while seth petruzelli is not an elite fighter, he's no slouch
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whatever happened to GSP? IMO, he was the best...
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this is elitexc. apart from their women's mma and the borrowed affliction fight (arlovski v. roy nelson--both excellent fighters), it's a pretty "bush-league" (that's pretty harsh. it's not awful, but it's definitely not one of the better organizations) organization
gsp is fighting bj penn in january. he's probably top 5 p4p but can't even begin to challenge fedor or anderson silva (probably fedor) for the title
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:saywhat:
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personally.... mma pisses me off. they think they are the best fighters in the world and think they're all big shit. most mma fighters have HORRIBLY sloppy techniques... and while they are good fighters, they are SPORTS fighters.
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yo owen thats true dog, they do, but as i'm gettin into mma i plan to humble it out, i obviously wont make it big or gonna even attempt to, but the way i carry myself out of the gym i wont start fights feel me? You gotta be able to protect yourself in oakland tho, its why i take it. YA DIG
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personally.... mma pisses me off. they think they are the best fighters in the world and think they're all big shit. most mma fighters have HORRIBLY sloppy techniques... and while they are good fighters, they are SPORTS fighters.
varies A LOT by fighter. many of them are pretty fucking humble dudes that can grasp the reality of a situation outside of the cage. some are not...
oh @ TJ Hook: Jamarcus Russell :cheers:
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personally.... mma pisses me off. they think they are the best fighters in the world and think they're all big shit. most mma fighters have HORRIBLY sloppy techniques... and while they are good fighters, they are SPORTS fighters.
which is why I like GSP...his technique is flawless IMO...his kicks are so perfect...and thats in a style of fighting with grappling, which makes kicking pretty dangerous.
@owen: I agree sort of...but then again, I find that doing only one style makes your technique one dimensional, whic is why I plan to get out of Shotokan/Judo one of these days and try something else...but only once I've got my black belt -- meaning I'll have to train more than I do...
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personally.... mma pisses me off. they think they are the best fighters in the world and think they're all big shit. most mma fighters have HORRIBLY sloppy techniques... and while they are good fighters, they are SPORTS fighters.
which is why I like GSP...his technique is flawless IMO...his kicks are so perfect...and thats in a style of fighting with grappling, which makes kicking pretty dangerous.
@owen: I agree sort of...but then again, I find that doing only one style makes your technique one dimensional, whic is why I plan to get out of Shotokan/Judo one of these days and try something else...but only once I've got my black belt -- meaning I'll have to train more than I do...
i like to go by a more jeet kune do philosophy. mma was starting to kinda get with that but just kinda modified itself into a sport of its own... i guess u could say that "mma" or ufc kinda shit is a style of its own nowadays. muay thai and BJJ is mostly all it is... with bits of wrestling, kickboxing, and really crappy boxing thrown in there too.
and a lot of mma guys take the shit out of traditional styles like kung fu, karate, tkd, hkd, etc. etc. they're just way too narrow minded.
mma by concept is awesome! i'd like to get into it and have some fights myself. but the commercial aspects of it kinda ruins it, as well as a lotta thickheaded dudes who love it....
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really crappy boxing thrown in there too.
don't sugar coat it. it's glorified brawling at times
:lol:
and a lot of mma guys take the shit out of traditional styles like kung fu, karate, tkd, hkd, etc. etc. they're just way too narrow minded.
while i'm hardly an expert, i think a lot of it has to do with the perception of traditional martial arts in most of america (and i'm sure elsewhere) as a children's "sport"
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really crappy boxing thrown in there too.
don't sugar coat it. it's glorified brawling at times
:lol:
and a lot of mma guys take the shit out of traditional styles like kung fu, karate, tkd, hkd, etc. etc. they're just way too narrow minded.
while i'm hardly an expert, i think a lot of it has to do with the perception of traditional martial arts in most of america (and i'm sure elsewhere) as a children's "sport[/b]"
Sammy Schelt? Georges St.Pierre? Lyoto Machida?
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seth petruzelli :lol:
a lot of mma
is what he was going for
it's hard to say anything when you're eating fists, but it's very easy to knock it at other times. i think that many people don't realize that it's not so much about the individual art, and that while a particular art may be applied more effectively to a certain situation, it's more about the individual that's fighting and being able to incorporate different techniques from different arts to make yourself a more well-rounded fighter.
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seth petruzelli :lol:
a lot of mma
is what he was going for
it's hard to say anything when you're eating fists, but it's very easy to knock it at other times. i think that many people don't realize that it's not so much about the individual art, and that while a particular art may be applied more effectively to a certain situation, it's more about the individual that's fighting and being able to incorporate different techniques from different arts to make yourself a more well-rounded fighter.
I highly disagree pimpin
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personally.... mma pisses me off. they think they are the best fighters in the world and think they're all big shit. most mma fighters have HORRIBLY sloppy techniques... and while they are good fighters, they are SPORTS fighters.
which is why I like GSP...his technique is flawless IMO...his kicks are so perfect...and thats in a style of fighting with grappling, which makes kicking pretty dangerous.
@owen: I agree sort of...but then again, I find that doing only one style makes your technique one dimensional, whic is why I plan to get out of Shotokan/Judo one of these days and try something else...but only once I've got my black belt -- meaning I'll have to train more than I do...
i like to go by a more jeet kune do philosophy. mma was starting to kinda get with that but just kinda modified itself into a sport of its own... i guess u could say that "mma" or ufc kinda shit is a style of its own nowadays. muay thai and BJJ is mostly all it is... with bits of wrestling, kickboxing, and really crappy boxing thrown in there too.
and a lot of mma guys take the shit out of traditional styles like kung fu, karate, tkd, hkd, etc. etc. they're just way too narrow minded.
mma by concept is awesome! i'd like to get into it and have some fights myself. but the commercial aspects of it kinda ruins it, as well as a lotta thickheaded dudes who love it....
I think that the style that Bruce Lee incented looks interesting...I'm not dure what it's called...
I'd be interested in BJJ, even though I'm not really the grappling type. I like to dodge and stay on my feet. Capoeira would benefit me, even though it is ridiculously stylized, and so would muay thai...all kinds of things to think about...
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seth petruzelli :lol:
a lot of mma
is what he was going for
it's hard to say anything when you're eating fists, but it's very easy to knock it at other times. i think that many people don't realize that it's not so much about the individual art, and that while a particular art may be applied more effectively to a certain situation, it's more about the individual that's fighting and being able to incorporate different techniques from different arts to make yourself a more well-rounded fighter.
I highly disagree pimpin
which is fine but give more than three individuals as examples. this is not to say that i believe that that's all of mma or even most of mma, but there are a fair many out there that are like that. shit, there are some that won't even give muay thai or bjj a try.
I'm not dure what it's called
jeet kune do
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Normally, the ones who are more experienced in the 'art' part of martial arts are better fighters because their technique is better. Just putting that out there...
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Normally, the ones who are more experienced in the 'art' part of martial arts are better fighters because their technique is better. Just putting that out there...
nah, chuck liddel , rampage and forrest have been dominating that light heavy weight division for awhile, and they all just brawlers and wrestlers son. Not true at all TF10
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seth petruzelli :lol:
a lot of mma
is what he was going for
it's hard to say anything when you're eating fists, but it's very easy to knock it at other times. i think that many people don't realize that it's not so much about the individual art, and that while a particular art may be applied more effectively to a certain situation, it's more about the individual that's fighting and being able to incorporate different techniques from different arts to make yourself a more well-rounded fighter.
I highly disagree pimpin
which is fine but give more than three individuals as examples. this is not to say that i believe that that's all of mma or even most of mma, but there are a fair many out there that are like that. shit, there are some that won't even give muay thai or bjj a try.
I'm not dure what it's called
jeet kune do
Coincidently my man, The 3 I mentioned happen to be dominating or have dominated in the past. Machida, tooled Tito, and GSP has been that dude forever now.
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Normally, the ones who are more experienced in the 'art' part of martial arts are better fighters because their technique is better. Just putting that out there...
yeah...
i think that you can look at every elite fighter nowadays and notice that they are extremely technical in something:
fedor=sambo, judo
anderson silva=muay thai w/a black belt in bjj
etc.
nah, chuck liddel , rampage and forrest have been dominating that light heavy weight division for awhile, and they all just brawlers and wrestlers son. Not true at all TF10
it may seem that way, but they are all very technical fighters. even if they are just wrestlers, they are very technical wrestlers (even if it isn't a martial art).
chuck lidell--kempo, wrestling (ncaa d1 wrestler). good, not elite, bjj
rampage--wrestled at the collegiate level. trained heavily in boxing
forrest griffin--underrated bjj (trains no-gi a lot). much more than a brawler on his feet
Coincidently my man, The 3 I mentioned happen to be dominating or have dominated in the past. Machida, tooled Tito, and GSP has been that dude forever now.
definitely, i wasn't disputing that. they're all great fighters. that was never the issue. it isn't that it can't work. the issue is that some people within the mma world automatically write off traditional martial arts, which happens
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seth petruzelli :lol:
a lot of mma
is what he was going for
it's hard to say anything when you're eating fists, but it's very easy to knock it at other times. i think that many people don't realize that it's not so much about the individual art, and that while a particular art may be applied more effectively to a certain situation, it's more about the individual that's fighting and being able to incorporate different techniques from different arts to make yourself a more well-rounded fighter.
definitely true, i concur
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for those of you not familiar with bob sapp:
(cro cop broke his orbital bone)
unbelievably, he made a pretty good career for himself. won a japan k-1 GP and had some quality k-1 wins (ernesto hoost, cyril adibi, kimo leopoldo)
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Chuck Lidell will never fight again after getting his bitch ass knocked the fuck out!
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Get a novice sumo wrestler in there he'll stomp out all these little fruit cakes.
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Did Sapp fall from the left hook? Looked weird.
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Get a novice sumo wrestler in there he'll stomp out all these little fruit cakes.
:lol: :lol:
Sorry, i just imagined Anderson Silva destroying a sumo wrestler :lol:
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Did Sapp fall from the left hook?
the left hook broke one of his orbital bones around his eye. he went down from that
Sorry, i just imagined Anderson Silva destroying a sumo wrestler
he may have been talking about sumo and not mma
on another note, akebono fought mma and k-1 for a while. it didn't go very well
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^^^ I wasn't being serious.
EDIT by mod: accidental. message has not been changed
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
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HBK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Lee
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Croatia`s best ultimate fighter Mirko Filipovic is back in the Dream organisation after a short break. His opponent was Dutch Alistair Overeem, who is slowly confirming his name in the fighting world. The Croatian fighter needed a win to regain his self-confidence.
The Dutchman entered the hall with the sound of techno music, dressed in black. He currently has three consecutive wins and he was facing a tough match against Mirko.
Mirko Filipovic entered the ring to the sounds of Duran Duran`s Wild Boys, sporting a black T-shirt with a sign Cro Cop and two coats of arms. Fedor Emaliaenko was waiting the match right next to the ring, because he might be the next opponent of the fight`s winner. He approached both fighters and presented them with flower. What a lovely gesture by the great champion.
The match started and the first round lasted 10 minutes. Both fighters prefer fighting standing up, and the Dutchman has a good arms technique. Everyone expects Mirko`s kick to storm.
After less than a minute, Mirko fell to the floor and Overeem`s position was a good one. Warning from the Croatian corner told Cro Cop to be active, a however three minutes later, he started bleeding. The problem is that the Dutchman is 20 kilos heavier than Mirko, who was bleeding from his left arcade and the fight was briefly interrupted.
Mirko got up, inflicted a middle kick, but the Dutchman caught his high kick and knocked him over to the floor. This is where the Dutchman destroyed him, and Overeem was even given the yellow card.
The fight was interrupted as Overeem hit Filipovic in the groins. The Croatian fighter was given medical assistance, but soon recovered. He got up, however, he suffered another kick in the groins. The Dutchman got a yellow card.
Mirko Filipovic`s corner informs that his right testicle has entered his body and they doubt he would be able to continue the fight. After more than five minutes of medical assistance, the fight was interrupted, but nobody was declared the winner since the injury was inflicted in a non-sportsmanship fashion.
i just copied and pasted that from one of his websites
read the part where his right nut goes into his body
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
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^^^ I wasn't being serious.
i didn't think that you were
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
I've acually been trying to find footage of this....is there any?
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
I've acually been trying to find footage of this....is there any?
of chuck norris and bruce lee? not that i know of.... but i do have shit loads of Bruce lee footage from the dvd box set i got.
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
I've acually been trying to find footage of this....is there any?
of chuck norris and bruce lee? not that i know of.... but i do have shit loads of Bruce lee footage from the dvd box set i got.
I think I have the same box set
does it like have 6 of his movies and a documentary?
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
I've acually been trying to find footage of this....is there any?
of chuck norris and bruce lee? not that i know of.... but i do have shit loads of Bruce lee footage from the dvd box set i got.
I think I have the same box set
does it like have 6 of his movies and a documentary?
yea that one! :3some:
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bruce lee would destroy all these guys in less than a minute if he were still alive, and in his prime.
was he ever a proven fighter? Just a curiosity...there is no doubt that he is one of the greatest martial artists to ever live.
he's won competitions, and u can even see some sparring clips of him on youtube. not the best quality tho.
not only that
chuck norris (who's I think won 7 times world karate champion etc... and obviously everyone knows how good he is) stated in an interview that in real life if bruce lee were to fight with him, Bruce would win big time
it's coz bruce mastered a lot of martial arts including judo and wrestling and combined them into his ultimate own art Jeet-kune-do
it's amazing for street fights and whatever. saw some tutorials made by his friend Dan Inosanto (something like that) and damn they're good... :bowdown:
chuck and bruce actually had a few sparring sessions together once. chuck norris couldn't even touch bruce.
I've acually been trying to find footage of this....is there any?
of chuck norris and bruce lee? not that i know of.... but i do have shit loads of Bruce lee footage from the dvd box set i got.
I think I have the same box set
does it like have 6 of his movies and a documentary?
yea that one! :3some:
ma'e, I have been watching all of those dvds like 10 times each! flippin amazing!!! :biggrin:
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if some small dude from thailand wants to fight you, run away. seriously, there's a reason he'll fight you
@bruce lee: fucking legend. he was essentially the founder of mma. could he come out and beat the shit out of everyone as is under mma rules, who knows? many people have had years to refine the shit out of what he created. if he grew up now, jesus fucking christ, he was like brock lesnar freak level - modern training (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/The.Way.Of.The.Dragon.1972.Bruce.Lee.flex.front.jpg) + he would presumably find some way to revolutionize the way in which people fight today
question brock lesnar's physical freak level? if you can't sub him, you can't fight him:
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this is a dude who ran a 4.70 40 and a sub-6 minute mile at 275 POUNDS
comparing bruce lee to modern mma fighters :lol:, it's like comparing humans to god or pele to cristiano ronaldo
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@bruce lee: fucking legend. he was essentially the founder of mma. could he come out and beat the shit out of everyone as is under mma rules, who knows? many people have had years to refine the shit out of what he created. if he grew up now, jesus fucking christ, he was like brock lesnar freak level - modern training (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/The.Way.Of.The.Dragon.1972.Bruce.Lee.flex.front.jpg) + he would presumably find some way to revolutionize the way in which people fight today
comparing bruce lee to modern mma fighters :lol:, it's like comparing humans to god or pele to cristiano ronaldo
by "refining" if you mean "watering it down so you get a style that is basically only muay thai and BJJ" then i'd agree with you.
dan inosanto and others have "refined" it. mma... have taken it in a completely new and different direction. it's sports fighting. bruce lee was all about having it be practical, anywhere, everywhere, using whatever means possible to be effective, and doing it in a way that fits the individuals' personal styles and bodies.
and may i also add... how bruce lee trained back then... i don't think many ppl nowadays can keep up with even today. he was a freak. incredible condition. and incredibly strong. a man that size delivering a side kick strong enough to send a 200 pound punching bag hitting the ceiling? i'd like to see ANYBODY even try to do that today.
the only thing to be said is he didn't investigate enough into ground fighting like BJJ... but he did study judo and wrestling and other grappling styles. and to be fair... for what he was trying to go for (real life applications) BJJ isn't always the best choice. some guy does a takedown and tries to mount you... u can rip at his flesh, poke his eyes out, grab his nuts, bite him, or anything. BJJ is a good art and is very effective in many ways, but i think bruce lee had it covered.
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Out of al couriosety, what is the main diffrences between Ufc and MMA?
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Out of al couriosety, what is the main diffrences between Ufc and MMA?
UFC - ultimate fighting championship
MMA - mixed martial arts
ufc is a company/brand/competition whatever... that focuses on mma.
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by "refining" if you mean "watering it down so you get a style that is basically only muay thai and BJJ" then i'd agree with you
i won't disagree with that, but mma is a sport with rules and a governing body. the rules will cater to the sport and what it becomes. i wouldn't count him out in an elite level (like anderson silva, fedor, elite) mma fight, but i don't think it'd be SO one sided
bruce lee was all about having it be practical, anywhere, everywhere, using whatever means possible to be effective, and doing it in a way that fits the individuals' personal styles and bodies.
definitely. on the street, it wouldn't be a contest. i think i misinterpreted what you said at first (i wasn't very sober :lol:)
and may i also add... how bruce lee trained back then... i don't think many ppl nowadays can keep up with even today. he was a freak. incredible condition. and incredibly strong. a man that size delivering a side kick strong enough to send a 200 pound punching bag hitting the ceiling? i'd like to see ANYBODY even try to do that today.
i know. he was fucking scary, AND he was like that without modern training techniques (less important) and approaches to nutrition and "nutritional supplements"
(http://www.fighting-mma.com/images/sean-sherk-roids.jpg)
:lol: (more important). he was a freak. one of those once in a lifetime freaks
something unrelated, he taught steve mcqueen's son jeet kune do :rockit:. chuck norris taught steve mcqueen's son tkd (i think). steve mcqueen was the person who encouraged chuck norris to take acting classes
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by "refining" if you mean "watering it down so you get a style that is basically only muay thai and BJJ" then i'd agree with you
i won't disagree with that, but mma is a sport with rules and a governing body. the rules will cater to the sport and what it becomes. i wouldn't count him out in an elite level (like anderson silva, fedor, elite) mma fight, but i don't think it'd be SO one sided
bruce lee was all about having it be practical, anywhere, everywhere, using whatever means possible to be effective, and doing it in a way that fits the individuals' personal styles and bodies.
definitely. on the street, it wouldn't be a contest. i think i misinterpreted what you said at first (i wasn't very sober :lol:)
and may i also add... how bruce lee trained back then... i don't think many ppl nowadays can keep up with even today. he was a freak. incredible condition. and incredibly strong. a man that size delivering a side kick strong enough to send a 200 pound punching bag hitting the ceiling? i'd like to see ANYBODY even try to do that today.
i know. he was fucking scary, AND he was like that without modern training techniques (less important) and approaches to nutrition and "nutritional supplements"
(http://www.fighting-mma.com/images/sean-sherk-roids.jpg)
:lol: (more important). he was a freak. one of those once in a lifetime freaks
something unrelated, he taught steve mcqueen's son jeet kune do :rockit:. chuck norris taught steve mcqueen's son tkd (i think). steve mcqueen was the person who encouraged chuck norris to take acting classes
u show that picture to try and point out the diff between then and now... but bruce lee could have easily been twice as big as that guy. he just didn't want to be because muscles too big means he'd be slow, and speed is a very important aspect of martial arts.
i think chuck norris did tang soo do, not tae kwon do.
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both. he's an 8th degree black belt in tkd
@ sean sherk: that was a joke
@ bruce lee's physical prowess: he would have been a freak at any point in time. that's not to say that he wouldn't have been more of a freak had he trained today
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If bruce lee had fought against me he would've lost.
just putting that out there
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both. he's an 8th degree black belt in tkd
@ sean sherk: that was a joke
@ bruce lee's physical prowess: he would have been a freak at any point in time. that's not to say that he wouldn't have been more of a freak had he trained today
icic (@ chuck norris)
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Out of al couriosety, what is the main diffrences between Ufc and MMA?
UFC - ultimate fighting championship
MMA - mixed martial arts
Sorry i meant Pride and Ufc.
Both are competitions, the diffrences between them tournements i meant.
Sorry for the missunderstanding.
ufc is a company/brand/competition whatever... that focuses on mma.
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Out of al couriosety, what is the main diffrences between Ufc and MMA?
UFC - ultimate fighting championship
MMA - mixed martial arts
Sorry i meant Pride and Ufc.
Both are competitions, the diffrences between them tournements i meant.
Sorry for the missunderstanding.
ufc is a company/brand/competition whatever... that focuses on mma.
learn to quote properly.
pride is a competition in japan. pride fc is in a ring, and ufc is in a cage/octagon.
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I know how to quote, but sometimes my keyboard gets mental and do these things, iam not an idiot.
Anyhow, thank you for the answer.
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I noticed that there is significant variation between roundhouse kick techniques in various styles...what is the best way of doing if (power-speed wise)
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I noticed that there is significant variation between roundhouse kick techniques in various styles...what is the best way of doing if (power-speed wise)
there is no "best way". it all depends on the situation, and ur opponent.
in terms of speed probably tkd, and in terms of power maybe muay thai.
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tkd is too much of a flick, though, it doesn't start far enough back. I only use that style when I'm doing double roundhouse kicks. And muay thai has the opposite problem...they almost have to reset their hips to do the kick. I know in shotokan we bring our leg up parallel to the ground and at a ninety degree angle to our hip, and thrust it around with our hip. In practice, thought, it is a bit more like the tkd kick.
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tkd is too much of a flick, though, it doesn't start far enough back. I only use that style when I'm doing double roundhouse kicks. And muay thai has the opposite problem...they almost have to reset their hips to do the kick.
so then what i said is completely correct. tkd for speed, MT for power.
but it's not always just a flick man, they are taught to strike through the target, straight across, horizontally. and they almost always kick with their rear leg so it is back far enough.
and as i said, there is no "best" way to do it. it depends on the situation and ur opponent... also depends on what ur target is (thighs, ribs, head, etc.)
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This guy wins fights with his voice.
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These guys on the other hand can't be serious.
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This guy wins fights with his voice.
feature=related
These guys on the other hand can't be serious.
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that is the biggest load of bullshit i have ever seen. i've seen this vidz before.
and i'd be more impressed if he could ring that bell without stomping the ground with his foot. but still it's not very impressive after that.
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so do you guys actually learn some martial art, or just like to research. not trying to offend, just wondering. only MA training I had was all the Gracie Jiu Jitsu tutorials by Horion gracie (how ever it's spelled). and dan inosanto jeet kune do tutorials, and the dvds of bruce lee :biggrin:
I practiced with my bruv. what do you guys do?
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so do you guys actually learn some martial art, or just like to research. not trying to offend, just wondering. only MA training I had was all the Gracie Jiu Jitsu tutorials by Horion gracie (how ever it's spelled). and dan inosanto jeet kune do tutorials, and the dvds of bruce lee :biggrin:
I practiced with my bruv. what do you guys do?
hahaha. well no offence but i wouldn't consider dvds and internet videos.... "training" lol. if it was, then i'd be "trained" in like a hundred different martial arts haha so i don't think it counts
yes i do love to research and learn about all the different types of arts, their philosophies, applications, etc. that's cuz i practically live by bruce lee's philosophies.
in terms of formal training, i've done tkd, hkd, wing chun, and some BASIC submission wrestling (BJJ without the gi)
and of course, all the other kinds of arts i study about and try to incorporate into my style but never formally trained in.
also, i think it's silly to discuss what is better to do when with what or anything like that... if you've never actually trained in martial arts urself. sometimes things tend to be really different when ur actually doing them, than how they were 'theoretically'.
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hahaha. well no offence but i wouldn't consider dvds and internet videos.... "training" lol. if it was, then i'd be "trained" in like a hundred different martial arts haha so i don't think it counts
yes i do love to research and learn about all the different types of arts, their philosophies, applications, etc. that's cuz i practically live by bruce lee's philosophies.
in terms of formal training, i've done tkd, hkd, wing chun, and some BASIC submission wrestling (BJJ without the gi)
and of course, all the other kinds of arts i study about and try to incorporate into my style but never formally trained in.
also, i think it's silly to discuss what is better to do when with what or anything like that... if you've never actually trained in martial arts urself. sometimes things tend to be really different when ur actually doing them, than how they were 'theoretically'.
yikes... you're quite trained! :saywhat:
but I think I can take you haha. :bs:
I don't think I should be doubted in BJJ. The tutorials were used like Horion was actually in front of us, we trained hard. like each skill for days. obviously I'm NOTHING compared to someone who actually studied in the dojo (or whatever) with the gracies, but I think I know how to put theory into practice.
we love to spar a lot too. :biggrin: gets kinda messy, almost twisted my bruvs knee permanently. :rolleyes:
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hahaha. well no offence but i wouldn't consider dvds and internet videos.... "training" lol. if it was, then i'd be "trained" in like a hundred different martial arts haha so i don't think it counts
yes i do love to research and learn about all the different types of arts, their philosophies, applications, etc. that's cuz i practically live by bruce lee's philosophies.
in terms of formal training, i've done tkd, hkd, wing chun, and some BASIC submission wrestling (BJJ without the gi)
and of course, all the other kinds of arts i study about and try to incorporate into my style but never formally trained in.
also, i think it's silly to discuss what is better to do when with what or anything like that... if you've never actually trained in martial arts urself. sometimes things tend to be really different when ur actually doing them, than how they were 'theoretically'.
yikes... you're quite trained! :saywhat:
but I think I can take you haha. :bs:
I don't think I should be doubted in BJJ. The tutorials were used like Horion was actually in front of us, we trained hard. like each skill for days. obviously I'm NOTHING compared to someone who actually studied in the dojo (or whatever) with the gracies, but I think I know how to put theory into practice.
we love to spar a lot too. :biggrin: gets kinda messy, almost twisted my bruvs knee permanently. :rolleyes:
oh so it wasn't just a dvd or something, u were actually there being taught by him? well that's much better then. and since i only know the basics in grappling, we're pretty much same level in that probably lol.
i was taught grappling by a good friend of mine who trains at a local BJJ place. so i'm nothing special on the ground but i know what i'm doing at least.
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I have only been a member of one martial arts dodjo: Shotokan karate and Judo are taught there and my sensei is one of the few North Americans to train at Nitai Dai (spelling?), the top dojo is Japan. He has taught at zen monasteries and stuff
so yeah I have a fairly solid foundation of locks and submission, and takedowns, but I've been trained primarily in the striking style. Believe it or not I incorporate soccer fakes into my sparring to fake people out (I've made people kick the wrong way and stuff because many martial artists aren't familiar with those kinds of body fakes) and I watch random vids of other styles and try to incorporate techniques that could be useful and that would mesh with my style
consider doing the Garrincha lunge fakes and stuff...they are really effective
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I have only been a member of one martial arts dodjo: Shotokan karate and Judo are taught there and my sensei is one of the few North Americans to train at Nitai Dai (spelling?), the top dojo is Japan. He has taught at zen monasteries and stuff
so yeah I have a fairly solid foundation of locks and submission, and takedowns, but I've been trained primarily in the striking style. Believe it or not I incorporate soccer fakes into my sparring to fake people out (I've made people kick the wrong way and stuff because many martial artists aren't familiar with those kinds of body fakes) and I watch random vids of other styles and try to incorporate techniques that could be useful and that would mesh with my style
consider doing the Garrincha lunge fakes and stuff...they are really effective
but if you go up against a well trained martial artist, those kind of lunges can get u in a lot of trouble. you tend to leave urself way open in way too many spots when u do those.
when i spar i don't attack, i counterattack. i try to waste as little energy as possible and in the end the other might be panting and sweating and i wouldn't be because i didn't use useless movements to waste my energy (altho sometimes fakes and feints can be good). i don't focus on what i do, but rather what my opponent does and what i can do in reaction to him/her. because in a fight it's not about ur proper form or technique only, but about how you are going to defeat ur opponent (and sparring is just training to get urself more comfortable in the application of this and the application of ur techniques).
and trust me, if you've been trained right and know what to look for, ur opponent will give away practically his entire plan of attack before he even does anything.
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I have only been a member of one martial arts dodjo: Shotokan karate and Judo are taught there and my sensei is one of the few North Americans to train at Nitai Dai (spelling?), the top dojo is Japan. He has taught at zen monasteries and stuff
so yeah I have a fairly solid foundation of locks and submission, and takedowns, but I've been trained primarily in the striking style. Believe it or not I incorporate soccer fakes into my sparring to fake people out (I've made people kick the wrong way and stuff because many martial artists aren't familiar with those kinds of body fakes) and I watch random vids of other styles and try to incorporate techniques that could be useful and that would mesh with my style
consider doing the Garrincha lunge fakes and stuff...they are really effective
but if you go up against a well trained martial artist, those kind of lunges can get u in a lot of trouble. you tend to leave urself way open in way too many spots when u do those.
when i spar i don't attack, i counterattack. i try to waste as little energy as possible and in the end the other might be panting and sweating and i wouldn't be because i didn't use useless movements to waste my energy (altho sometimes fakes and feints can be good). i don't focus on what i do, but rather what my opponent does and what i can do in reaction to him/her. because in a fight it's not about ur proper form or technique only, but about how you are going to defeat ur opponent (and sparring is just training to get urself more comfortable in the application of this and the application of ur techniques).
and trust me, if you've been trained right and know what to look for, ur opponent will give away practically his entire plan of attack before he even does anything.
I am a really defensive sparrer....my fakes and feints are for dodges more than anything else...I get them to attack me by GIVING them openings with feints like the Garrincha lunge, and then dudge them if they fall for it...although sometimes when I'm messing around with someone I don't really take seriously I will cross themm over and fake a few times so that they get confused and attack in the wrong direction...a few times I'll try those crazy jumping double crescent kicks that you see in random showy martial arts just for jokes :biggrin: (although not when I'm actually in a serious match)
my brother told me that when I'm doing the whole feinting routine (which I have done in matches) I look like Michael Jackson :lol:
But in all seriousness a lot of this shit wouldn't work in a self defence situation. Stick to the basics. In all my 8 years of martial arts experience my sensei has been telling us that constantly
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I have only been a member of one martial arts dodjo: Shotokan karate and Judo are taught there and my sensei is one of the few North Americans to train at Nitai Dai (spelling?), the top dojo is Japan. He has taught at zen monasteries and stuff
so yeah I have a fairly solid foundation of locks and submission, and takedowns, but I've been trained primarily in the striking style. Believe it or not I incorporate soccer fakes into my sparring to fake people out (I've made people kick the wrong way and stuff because many martial artists aren't familiar with those kinds of body fakes) and I watch random vids of other styles and try to incorporate techniques that could be useful and that would mesh with my style
consider doing the Garrincha lunge fakes and stuff...they are really effective
but if you go up against a well trained martial artist, those kind of lunges can get u in a lot of trouble. you tend to leave urself way open in way too many spots when u do those.
when i spar i don't attack, i counterattack. i try to waste as little energy as possible and in the end the other might be panting and sweating and i wouldn't be because i didn't use useless movements to waste my energy (altho sometimes fakes and feints can be good). i don't focus on what i do, but rather what my opponent does and what i can do in reaction to him/her. because in a fight it's not about ur proper form or technique only, but about how you are going to defeat ur opponent (and sparring is just training to get urself more comfortable in the application of this and the application of ur techniques).
and trust me, if you've been trained right and know what to look for, ur opponent will give away practically his entire plan of attack before he even does anything.
I am a really defensive sparrer....my fakes and feints are for dodges more than anything else...I get them to attack me by GIVING them openings with feints like the Garrincha lunge, and then dudge them if they fall for it...although sometimes when I'm messing around with someone I don't really take seriously I will cross themm over and fake a few times so that they get confused and attack in the wrong direction...a few times I'll try those crazy jumping double crescent kicks that you see in random showy martial arts just for jokes :biggrin: (although not when I'm actually in a serious match)
my brother told me that when I'm doing the whole feinting routine (which I have done in matches) I look like Michael Jackson :lol:
But in all seriousness a lot of this shit wouldn't work in a self defence situation. Stick to the basics. In all my 8 years of martial arts experience my sensei has been telling us that constantly
self defence is completely different cuz there are no rules, anything goes, u can be surprised, there can be multiple attackers, weapons, obstacles depending on the environment, and plus ur main objective is to neutralize the threat and get away as quick as possible.
but of course, some stuff can and does transfer over to self defence as well.
but dude u don't seem to understand... u may think ur succeeding with ur clever tactics and u are. but if u go up against a really smart martial artist that has been well trained, he'll be able to see right through you. i know because i've been trying to study that aspect of martial arts for some time now. there are subtle hints you give away that can be taken advantage of that u don't even know about.
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I have only been a member of one martial arts dodjo: Shotokan karate and Judo are taught there and my sensei is one of the few North Americans to train at Nitai Dai (spelling?), the top dojo is Japan. He has taught at zen monasteries and stuff
so yeah I have a fairly solid foundation of locks and submission, and takedowns, but I've been trained primarily in the striking style. Believe it or not I incorporate soccer fakes into my sparring to fake people out (I've made people kick the wrong way and stuff because many martial artists aren't familiar with those kinds of body fakes) and I watch random vids of other styles and try to incorporate techniques that could be useful and that would mesh with my style
consider doing the Garrincha lunge fakes and stuff...they are really effective
but if you go up against a well trained martial artist, those kind of lunges can get u in a lot of trouble. you tend to leave urself way open in way too many spots when u do those.
when i spar i don't attack, i counterattack. i try to waste as little energy as possible and in the end the other might be panting and sweating and i wouldn't be because i didn't use useless movements to waste my energy (altho sometimes fakes and feints can be good). i don't focus on what i do, but rather what my opponent does and what i can do in reaction to him/her. because in a fight it's not about ur proper form or technique only, but about how you are going to defeat ur opponent (and sparring is just training to get urself more comfortable in the application of this and the application of ur techniques).
and trust me, if you've been trained right and know what to look for, ur opponent will give away practically his entire plan of attack before he even does anything.
I am a really defensive sparrer....my fakes and feints are for dodges more than anything else...I get them to attack me by GIVING them openings with feints like the Garrincha lunge, and then dudge them if they fall for it...although sometimes when I'm messing around with someone I don't really take seriously I will cross themm over and fake a few times so that they get confused and attack in the wrong direction...a few times I'll try those crazy jumping double crescent kicks that you see in random showy martial arts just for jokes :biggrin: (although not when I'm actually in a serious match)
my brother told me that when I'm doing the whole feinting routine (which I have done in matches) I look like Michael Jackson :lol:
But in all seriousness a lot of this shit wouldn't work in a self defence situation. Stick to the basics. In all my 8 years of martial arts experience my sensei has been telling us that constantly
self defence is completely different cuz there are no rules, anything goes, u can be surprised, there can be multiple attackers, weapons, obstacles depending on the environment, and plus ur main objective is to neutralize the threat and get away as quick as possible.
but of course, some stuff can and does transfer over to self defence as well.
but dude u don't seem to understand... u may think ur succeeding with ur clever tactics and u are. but if u go up against a really smart martial artist that has been well trained, he'll be able to see right through you. i know because i've been trying to study that aspect of martial arts for some time now. there are subtle hints you give away that can be taken advantage of that u don't even know about.
no I understand...this is what I'm trying to say: I use that stuff against people who I know aren't gonna read that stuff...I would never use that crap against an unknown quantity and I which I had a really smart martial artist (eg my sensei or a really good black belt) against whom I could try those fakes on a regular basis to perfect them. But alas, I don't. I get to spar them occasionally, but then I spar more conservatively and I don't take risks, you know what I'm saying?
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no I understand...this is what I'm trying to say: I use that stuff against people who I know aren't gonna read that stuff...I would never use that crap against an unknown quantity and I which I had a really smart martial artist (eg my sensei or a really good black belt) against whom I could try those fakes on a regular basis to perfect them. But alas, I don't. I get to spar them occasionally, but then I spar more conservatively and I don't take risks, you know what I'm saying?
mhm i understand ya
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no I understand...this is what I'm trying to say: I use that stuff against people who I know aren't gonna read that stuff...I would never use that crap against an unknown quantity and I which I had a really smart martial artist (eg my sensei or a really good black belt) against whom I could try those fakes on a regular basis to perfect them. But alas, I don't. I get to spar them occasionally, but then I spar more conservatively and I don't take risks, you know what I'm saying?
mhm i understand ya
how far have you gotten in tkd and hkd?
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no I understand...this is what I'm trying to say: I use that stuff against people who I know aren't gonna read that stuff...I would never use that crap against an unknown quantity and I which I had a really smart martial artist (eg my sensei or a really good black belt) against whom I could try those fakes on a regular basis to perfect them. But alas, I don't. I get to spar them occasionally, but then I spar more conservatively and I don't take risks, you know what I'm saying?
mhm i understand ya
how far have you gotten in tkd and hkd?
1st dan black belt in tkd and just 1 year training in hkd
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no I understand...this is what I'm trying to say: I use that stuff against people who I know aren't gonna read that stuff...I would never use that crap against an unknown quantity and I which I had a really smart martial artist (eg my sensei or a really good black belt) against whom I could try those fakes on a regular basis to perfect them. But alas, I don't. I get to spar them occasionally, but then I spar more conservatively and I don't take risks, you know what I'm saying?
mhm i understand ya
how far have you gotten in tkd and hkd?
1st dan black belt in tkd and just 1 year training in hkd
oh dang you got pretty far in tkd :bowdown:
I don't train all that much because my priorities are school, then soccer, then martial arts. I'm getting back into it, though, and it feels really good to be doing it on a regular basis now
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oh dang you got pretty far in tkd :bowdown:
I don't train all that much because my priorities are school, then soccer, then martial arts. I'm getting back into it, though, and it feels really good to be doing it on a regular basis now
yea that's how my priorities go also. my main training now is wing chun and i just went for the first time in 3 weeks, yesterday, because i was so busy with freestyle and major mid term projects. and yea i'm also gettin back into it too lol
it's funny how i'm black belt in tkd tho, considering what kind of martial arts tkd is. then u take into account how i'm so NOT flexible.... haha.
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
so you just left tkd behind? :saywhat:
like when you're sparring in wing chun, don't you ever pull a tkd kick to throw off your partner and/or score?
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
so you just left tkd behind? :saywhat:
like when you're sparring in wing chun, don't you ever pull a tkd kick to throw off your partner and/or score?
of course i haven't left it completely behind, but i don't formally train in it anymore. training in a buncha diff styles at the same time i think can confuse you, so it's a personal belief that i think u shud get really good in something first, and then move on to something else and get really good in that, and integrate them all into ur own personal style over time.
and yea of course i pull tkd kicks hehehe. one of my fav combos i use to throw ppl off is the low left round kick fake, then into a jumping high right round kick (might not have gotten all the names right lol). it fucks with their heads. lol
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
so you just left tkd behind? :saywhat:
like when you're sparring in wing chun, don't you ever pull a tkd kick to throw off your partner and/or score?
of course i haven't left it completely behind, but i don't formally train in it anymore. training in a buncha diff styles at the same time i think can confuse you, so it's a personal belief that i think u shud get really good in something first, and then move on to something else and get really good in that, and integrate them all into ur own personal style over time.
and yea of course i pull tkd kicks hehehe. one of my fav combos i use to throw ppl off is the low left round kick fake, then into a jumping high right round kick (might not have gotten all the names right lol). it fucks with their heads. lol
I agree completely...master one art before you begin another
yeah I use tkd kicks as well because my dad used to do tkd in the '70s and '80s and tol me that he used to do double roundhouse kicks...which of course piqued my interest because I used to just do head roundhouse kicks...so now I do doubles and it fucks with people so much...even when they get to know me they get caught by it because I'm the only one in the dojo who can do it and it is really fast compared to a normal kick combo...my 2nd flick is faster than their second block unless they jam me up, which happens a fair amount. I also do middle-head double sidekicks and I'm developing a reverse-crescent-crescent double kick which will change heights and directions. I go for that retarded shit...sometimes it works, sometimes it don't :dontknow:
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
so you just left tkd behind? :saywhat:
like when you're sparring in wing chun, don't you ever pull a tkd kick to throw off your partner and/or score?
of course i haven't left it completely behind, but i don't formally train in it anymore. training in a buncha diff styles at the same time i think can confuse you, so it's a personal belief that i think u shud get really good in something first, and then move on to something else and get really good in that, and integrate them all into ur own personal style over time.
and yea of course i pull tkd kicks hehehe. one of my fav combos i use to throw ppl off is the low left round kick fake, then into a jumping high right round kick (might not have gotten all the names right lol). it fucks with their heads. lol
I agree completely...master one art before you begin another
yeah I use tkd kicks as well because my dad used to do tkd in the '70s and '80s and tol me that he used to do double roundhouse kicks...which of course piqued my interest because I used to just do head roundhouse kicks...so now I do doubles and it fucks with people so much...even when they get to know me they get caught by it because I'm the only one in the dojo who can do it and it is really fast compared to a normal kick combo...my 2nd flick is faster than their second block unless they jam me up, which happens a fair amount. I also do middle-head double sidekicks and I'm developing a reverse-crescent-crescent double kick which will change heights and directions. I go for that retarded shit...sometimes it works, sometimes it don't :dontknow:
i'm really enjoying wing chun at the moment tho, sicne it's a lot of new stuff i haven't learned before. i know all that kicking shit already, but my hand techniques were limited to boxing and simple locks and grappling. if you actually go to a good wing chun place, and see the kinda shit they teach u... it will really fuck with ur sense of martial arts logic man lol. really opened my eyes.
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my flex for roundhouse kicks is good because when I was 12 and 4'7 (I was short) I had to kick to the heads of 6-footers. I still have that flexibility, but only for roundhouse kicks, seidekicks and crescent-style kicks. My front kick is woeful.
so what do you enjoy more, tkd or wing chun?
they're both very different, hard to say. plus, tkd for me was a long time ago, and wing chun is now.
so you just left tkd behind? :saywhat:
like when you're sparring in wing chun, don't you ever pull a tkd kick to throw off your partner and/or score?
of course i haven't left it completely behind, but i don't formally train in it anymore. training in a buncha diff styles at the same time i think can confuse you, so it's a personal belief that i think u shud get really good in something first, and then move on to something else and get really good in that, and integrate them all into ur own personal style over time.
and yea of course i pull tkd kicks hehehe. one of my fav combos i use to throw ppl off is the low left round kick fake, then into a jumping high right round kick (might not have gotten all the names right lol). it fucks with their heads. lol
I agree completely...master one art before you begin another
yeah I use tkd kicks as well because my dad used to do tkd in the '70s and '80s and tol me that he used to do double roundhouse kicks...which of course piqued my interest because I used to just do head roundhouse kicks...so now I do doubles and it fucks with people so much...even when they get to know me they get caught by it because I'm the only one in the dojo who can do it and it is really fast compared to a normal kick combo...my 2nd flick is faster than their second block unless they jam me up, which happens a fair amount. I also do middle-head double sidekicks and I'm developing a reverse-crescent-crescent double kick which will change heights and directions. I go for that retarded shit...sometimes it works, sometimes it don't :dontknow:
i'm really enjoying wing chun at the moment tho, sicne it's a lot of new stuff i haven't learned before. i know all that kicking shit already, but my hand techniques were limited to boxing and simple locks and grappling. if you actually go to a good wing chun place, and see the kinda shit they teach u... it will really fuck with ur sense of martial arts logic man lol. really opened my eyes.
karate-do isn't as well-developed as wing-chun in that sense but we do have some pretty fucked up shit compared to tkd and stuff...my blocking style is open hand, so I develop a lot of coordination...more so than in closed-hand blocking...but then theres stuff like the chicken head block, which almost nobody uses it because it's almost insanity...you're blocking with the top part of your wrist
I know some throws and holds because my sensei is also a black belt in judo, but my dojo is mainly a hands-feet striking styke, so we get variation...but our grabbing ability, thumb-killing, and open-hand blocking is nowhere near as good as wing chun. My blocks rely on my dodges too much, and alot of people in my dojo block by attacking first or by backing up...why the hell would you back up unless you absolutely have to? Theres one black belt whose open hand blocking is insane though. It's probably as good as the wing chun guys.
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
definitely man. u need all the variety of skills to be able to deal with any situations.
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
definitely man. u need all the variety of skills to be able to deal with any situations.
yeah no doubt
some self-defence techniques are impractical themselves. We're taught to crescent kick a fucking knife sometimes :lol:
but other tecniques that we learn are pracical for knife defense
it's all a matter of circumstance I guess
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
definitely man. u need all the variety of skills to be able to deal with any situations.
yeah no doubt
some self-defence techniques are impractical themselves. We're taught to crescent kick a fucking knife sometimes :lol:
but other tecniques that we learn are pracical for knife defense
it's all a matter of circumstance I guess
yea.... one of my friends were showing me that "self defence" technique. i told him if u ever actually try that ur gunna get ur fuckin leg cut off. he kept on defending the "usefulness" of the technique tho. what a moron.
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
definitely man. u need all the variety of skills to be able to deal with any situations.
yeah no doubt
some self-defence techniques are impractical themselves. We're taught to crescent kick a fucking knife sometimes :lol:
but other tecniques that we learn are pracical for knife defense
it's all a matter of circumstance I guess
yea.... one of my friends were showing me that "self defence" technique. i told him if u ever actually try that ur gunna get ur fuckin leg cut off. he kept on defending the "usefulness" of the technique tho. what a moron.
sneak up on him brandishimg a plastic knife and see what he does...if he does the crescent kick, 'cut' his leg :thumbsup:
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dodging is sometimes better than blocking, if u know what ur doing.
I know I dodge all the time. When people I know spar me, they know I'll dodge and that I'll do a double roundhouse at some point. They just don't know which way or when.
But sometimes it's impractical in a self-defense situation...what if you're back is against the wayy or you're in a narrow alleyway?
definitely man. u need all the variety of skills to be able to deal with any situations.
yeah no doubt
some self-defence techniques are impractical themselves. We're taught to crescent kick a fucking knife sometimes :lol:
but other tecniques that we learn are pracical for knife defense
it's all a matter of circumstance I guess
yea.... one of my friends were showing me that "self defence" technique. i told him if u ever actually try that ur gunna get ur fuckin leg cut off. he kept on defending the "usefulness" of the technique tho. what a moron.
sneak up on him brandishimg a plastic knife and see what he does...if he does the crescent kick, 'cut' his leg :thumbsup:
hahahaha yea
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has anyone ever noticed the correlation between martial arts and soccer? I mean an elastico is basically a rewound reverse punch (front stance into 50-50 stance) if you look at the legs
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well the whole art of striking the ball with your foot is very similiar in many martial art kicking techniques. i'm not sure of names, but the normal kick in most forms of martial arts is the same technique as a side volley the only difference is the part of the leg you connect with. in soccer you are supposed to strike the ball with your instep and in martial arts is should be more with the shin. you also see people now and than use the sam leg motions used in a bicycle kick to do certain martial art kicks.
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has anyone ever noticed the correlation between martial arts and soccer? I mean an elastico is basically a rewound reverse punch (front stance into 50-50 stance) if you look at the legs
funny you shud say that..... keep an eye out for the video section.
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well the whole art of striking the ball with your foot is very similiar in many martial art kicking techniques. i'm not sure of names, but the normal kick in most forms of martial arts is the same technique as a side volley the only difference is the part of the leg you connect with. in soccer you are supposed to strike the ball with your instep and in martial arts is should be more with the shin. you also see people now and than use the sam leg motions used in a bicycle kick to do certain martial art kicks.
when do you use the shin to connect on a martial arts kick? You can use the ball of the foot, the instep, and both sides.
And the only soccer kicking technique that has alot in common with martial arts kicking technique is the side volley...which is similar to a middle crescent or wheel kick
@ eddy yoon: sounds cool, because thats how I developed a fair bit of my technique in soccer and in fs...my htatw is basically a reverse crescent kick into a crescent kick all in one jump...thats why I did it so soon after starting haha
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well the whole art of striking the ball with your foot is very similiar in many martial art kicking techniques. i'm not sure of names, but the normal kick in most forms of martial arts is the same technique as a side volley the only difference is the part of the leg you connect with. in soccer you are supposed to strike the ball with your instep and in martial arts is should be more with the shin. you also see people now and than use the sam leg motions used in a bicycle kick to do certain martial art kicks.
when do you use the shin to connect on a martial arts kick? You can use the ball of the foot, the instep, and both sides.
And the only soccer kicking technique that has alot in common with martial arts kicking technique is the side volley...which is similar to a middle crescent or wheel kick
@ eddy yoon: sounds cool, because thats how I developed a fair bit of my technique in soccer and in fs...my htatw is basically a reverse crescent kick into a crescent kick all in one jump...thats why I did it so soon after starting haha
muay thai has a lot of shin techniques. kickboxing also teaches shin techniques. i've also learned to use the shin for a choke while grappling.
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well the whole art of striking the ball with your foot is very similiar in many martial art kicking techniques. i'm not sure of names, but the normal kick in most forms of martial arts is the same technique as a side volley the only difference is the part of the leg you connect with. in soccer you are supposed to strike the ball with your instep and in martial arts is should be more with the shin. you also see people now and than use the sam leg motions used in a bicycle kick to do certain martial art kicks.
when do you use the shin to connect on a martial arts kick? You can use the ball of the foot, the instep, and both sides.
And the only soccer kicking technique that has alot in common with martial arts kicking technique is the side volley...which is similar to a middle crescent or wheel kick
@ eddy yoon: sounds cool, because thats how I developed a fair bit of my technique in soccer and in fs...my htatw is basically a reverse crescent kick into a crescent kick all in one jump...thats why I did it so soon after starting haha
have you taken many martial arts classes that instruct in kicking strikes? well if you had, you would know that they normally do tell you to strike with the shin especially if its a kick to the lower body or middle body. this normally so that you do not hurt your foot since in sparring you do not where shoes. when you use the heel or ball of the foot it is a different type of kick the to one i was referring. the only time you would strike an opponent with your instep is when you are attempting a high kick to the upper body or head. i did mention that the technique is similar to a side volley in my post.
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well the whole art of striking the ball with your foot is very similiar in many martial art kicking techniques. i'm not sure of names, but the normal kick in most forms of martial arts is the same technique as a side volley the only difference is the part of the leg you connect with. in soccer you are supposed to strike the ball with your instep and in martial arts is should be more with the shin. you also see people now and than use the sam leg motions used in a bicycle kick to do certain martial art kicks.
when do you use the shin to connect on a martial arts kick? You can use the ball of the foot, the instep, and both sides.
And the only soccer kicking technique that has alot in common with martial arts kicking technique is the side volley...which is similar to a middle crescent or wheel kick
@ eddy yoon: sounds cool, because thats how I developed a fair bit of my technique in soccer and in fs...my htatw is basically a reverse crescent kick into a crescent kick all in one jump...thats why I did it so soon after starting haha
have you taken many martial arts classes that instruct in kicking strikes? well if you had, you would know that they normally do tell you to strike with the shin especially if its a kick to the lower body or middle body. this normally so that you do not hurt your foot since in sparring you do not where shoes. when you use the heel or ball of the foot it is a different type of kick the to one i was referring. the only time you would strike an opponent with your instep is when you are attempting a high kick to the upper body or head. i did mention that the technique is similar to a side volley in my post.
It's true that you'd only use instep for either head kicks or rising groing kicks. I know what kicks you mean that tend to connect with the shin, but it limits the force of the blow because it's spread out over a larger surface. The ball, kinfe edge, or heel of the foot is the optimal striking surface for kicks because of the high concentration of force in a small area. And 8 years of martial arts should mean that I've been to my fair share of kicking classes...
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I know what kicks you mean that tend to connect with the shin, but it limits the force of the blow because it's spread out over a larger surface. The ball, kinfe edge, or heel of the foot is the optimal striking surface for kicks because of the high concentration of force in a small area.
the shin is a VERY POWERFUL tool to utilize in kicking. the foot is a bunch of tiny bones, while the shin is one big, solid piece of bone you can strike with. and especially if it has been conditioned, like muay thai practitioners tend to do, it can be ESPECIALLY destructive. i'm sorry but the concentrating the force in a small area "theory" is flawed in this case, because of how fragile the foot is compared to the shin.
the ball of the foot u'd use for front kicks, knife edge or heel for side kicks, spinning side kicks, flying sidekicks, etc... heel u'd also use for heel kicks, spinning heel kicks, etc...
and the shins are best for round kicks.
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I know what kicks you mean that tend to connect with the shin, but it limits the force of the blow because it's spread out over a larger surface. The ball, kinfe edge, or heel of the foot is the optimal striking surface for kicks because of the high concentration of force in a small area.
the shin is a VERY POWERFUL tool to utilize in kicking. the foot is a bunch of tiny bones, while the shin is one big, solid piece of bone you can strike with. and especially if it has been conditioned, like muay thai practitioners tend to do, it can be ESPECIALLY destructive. i'm sorry but the concentrating the force in a small area "theory" is flawed in this case, because of how fragile the foot is compared to the shin.
the ball of the foot u'd use for front kicks, knife edge or heel for side kicks, spinning side kicks, flying sidekicks, etc... heel u'd also use for heel kicks, spinning heel kicks, etc...
and the shins are best for round kicks.
beg to differ...slightly less range/penetration with the shin, but you're right, less danger to the foot...it's a give and take. The ball of the foot is a very solid surface..the instep, not so much. I strike with my shin sometimes, but only if I'm close in, so I can see what you're saying. I almost always strike with he ball of my foot for roundhouse kicks, unless there is a range issue like I said above. The shin is effective, but if you're going for reach it might not be the optimal striking surface...you're losing a full 6 inches
edward would a right leg double roundhouse-right leg double sidekick-right leg double hook kick be effective? I was messing around with it today and the ground you cover is ridiculous...but would it work in sparring?
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beg to differ...slightly less range/penetration with the shin, but you're right, less danger to the foot...it's a give and take. The ball of the foot is a very solid surface..the instep, not so much. I strike with my shin sometimes, but only if I'm close in, so I can see what you're saying. I almost always strike with he ball of my foot for roundhouse kicks, unless there is a range issue like I said above. The shin is effective, but if you're going for reach it might not be the optimal striking surface...you're losing a full 6 inches
edward would a right leg double roundhouse-right leg double sidekick-right leg double hook kick be effective? I was messing around with it today and the ground you cover is ridiculous...but would it work in sparring?
how the hell do you use the ball of ur foot for roundhouse kicks? are we even talking about the same kick here? hahahahaha.
(haha i just noticed the guy holding the bag is holding it wrong lol)
but you get the point.
and as for that combo.... i wouldn't try it. 6 kicks with only ur right leg? nah man. plus, if someone did that against me they probably wouldn't get past the first side kick lol.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the karate-do roundhouse kick...here is a vid of it...although the foot is sometimes flexed so that the ball of the foot is hitting:
@ the combo: I guess you're right, but I'll try it when I get the chance to see if it works :biggrin:
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I was thinking more along the lines of the karate-do roundhouse kick...here is a vid of it...although the foot is sometimes flexed so that the ball of the foot is hitting:
@ the combo: I guess you're right, but I'll try it when I get the chance to see if it works :biggrin:
that was cute but i don't see how much more of a damage that can do than if she was slapping a guy in the face. that kick's power is coming only from the knee joint. a good roundhouse should also incorporate the hips, and have more committment in the strikes. i know she mentioned the hips at the end, but she's not using the hips at all the way she "teaches" it.
and i still don't understand how the fuck u can use the ball of ur foot to strike with a roundhouse. either ur doing something completely different or wrong.... or ur getting zero power in ur strikes.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the karate-do roundhouse kick...here is a vid of it...although the foot is sometimes flexed so that the ball of the foot is hitting:
@ the combo: I guess you're right, but I'll try it when I get the chance to see if it works :biggrin:
that was cute but i don't see how much more of a damage that can do than if she was slapping a guy in the face. that kick's power is coming only from the knee joint. a good roundhouse should also incorporate the hips, and have more committment in the strikes. i know she mentioned the hips at the end, but she's not using the hips at all the way she "teaches" it.
and i still don't understand how the fuck u can use the ball of ur foot to strike with a roundhouse. either ur doing something completely different or wrong.... or ur getting zero power in ur strikes.
shit I posted the wrong link, heres the correct one:
with the ball of the foot it's just that with your foot flexed forward...it's the same thing really
I guess when you do it with the ball of the foot your technique becomes a bit rounder. I was just doing roundhouse kicks to the head, though, and I noticed that I actually use the instep...it's only for the middle kick the I use the ball, and even then only part of the time
but still a valid kick in shotokan style
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shit I posted the wrong link, heres the correct one:
with the ball of the foot it's just that with your foot flexed forward...it's the same thing really
I guess when you do it with the ball of the foot your technique becomes a bit rounder. I was just doing roundhouse kicks to the head, though, and I noticed that I actually use the instep...it's only for the middle kick the I use the ball, and even then only part of the time
but still a valid kick in shotokan style
that guy must have trained a long time. he has a very good snap in his kicks.
but his stances piss me off. not at all practical. and he drops his arms everytime he throws his kicks. can you say, "counterattack"?
and i still maintain my position that using the ball of ur foot to throw a round kick is impractical and lacks power.
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shit I posted the wrong link, heres the correct one:
with the ball of the foot it's just that with your foot flexed forward...it's the same thing really
I guess when you do it with the ball of the foot your technique becomes a bit rounder. I was just doing roundhouse kicks to the head, though, and I noticed that I actually use the instep...it's only for the middle kick the I use the ball, and even then only part of the time
but still a valid kick in shotokan style
that guy must have trained a long time. he has a very good snap in his kicks.
but his stances piss me off. not at all practical. and he drops his arms everytime he throws his kicks. can you say, "counterattack"?
and i still maintain my position that using the ball of ur foot to throw a round kick is impractical and lacks power.
yeah nobody spars like that anymore...he is kicking from a back stance...so old fashioned
I think his hands weren't up because he was just demonstrating a kick
but yeah we'll agree to disagree I guess
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ok I found a good demonstration of power off a kook kick to a ball-of-the-foot roundhouse kick without even putting the foot down:
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ok I found a good demonstration of power off a kook kick to a ball-of-the-foot roundhouse kick without even putting the foot down:
hmmm i guess i was proven wrong, to a certain degree. it should also still be mentioned that wooden boards are ridiculously easy to break. i've been breaking them since i was 7 years old.
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I've only ever done aikido in martial arts and i only did it for a year which wasn't really long enough to become that good at it but it was definetley fun while it lasted, and although many people say that it doesn't really help that much in fights it is fun learning how to control peoples bodies the way they do so i would recommend it as a fun relaxed martial art. :thumbsup:
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ok I found a good demonstration of power off a kook kick to a ball-of-the-foot roundhouse kick without even putting the foot down:
hmmm i guess i was proven wrong, to a certain degree. it should also still be mentioned that wooden boards are ridiculously easy to break. i've been breaking them since i was 7 years old.
I've actually never tried so I wouldn't know
I use bags and mats
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I've only ever done aikido in martial arts and i only did it for a year which wasn't really long enough to become that good at it but it was definetley fun while it lasted, and although many people say that it doesn't really help that much in fights it is fun learning how to control peoples bodies the way they do so i would recommend it as a fun relaxed martial art. :thumbsup:
yea aikido u don't take to become a great fighter... u take it for different reasons. it's very spiritual, and u learn how to redirect energy... and u learn some locks and grapples.... but most importantly it's the philosophy behind it that's most important which is also apparent in the fact that there are no attacking moves in aikido, only defensive counter moves.
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I've only ever done aikido in martial arts and i only did it for a year which wasn't really long enough to become that good at it but it was definetley fun while it lasted, and although many people say that it doesn't really help that much in fights it is fun learning how to control peoples bodies the way they do so i would recommend it as a fun relaxed martial art. :thumbsup:
yea aikido u don't take to become a great fighter... u take it for different reasons. it's very spiritual, and u learn how to redirect energy... and u learn some locks and grapples.... but most importantly it's the philosophy behind it that's most important which is also apparent in the fact that there are no attacking moves in aikido, only defensive counter moves.
yeah I'd do it except I like attack moves alot too even though I'm a defensive sparrer
but it sounds like an even more peaceful version of karate-do, and if you excercise the philosophical principles of karate-do to their full extent, it's pretty damn peaceful
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I've only ever done aikido in martial arts and i only did it for a year which wasn't really long enough to become that good at it but it was definetley fun while it lasted, and although many people say that it doesn't really help that much in fights it is fun learning how to control peoples bodies the way they do so i would recommend it as a fun relaxed martial art. :thumbsup:
yea aikido u don't take to become a great fighter... u take it for different reasons. it's very spiritual, and u learn how to redirect energy... and u learn some locks and grapples.... but most importantly it's the philosophy behind it that's most important which is also apparent in the fact that there are no attacking moves in aikido, only defensive counter moves.
yeah I'd do it except I like attack moves alot too even though I'm a defensive sparrer
but it sounds like an even more peaceful version of karate-do, and if you excercise the philosophical principles of karate-do to their full extent, it's pretty damn peaceful
yea man for sure. i did hapkido, which is a korean variation on it. it has a few of the circular movements for redirecting energy and doing self defense and counters, but it utilizes much tighter circular motions. some linear angular motions are applied as well.... and some kicks and sparring resemble TKD. hapkido is a very eclectic art.
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I've only ever done aikido in martial arts and i only did it for a year which wasn't really long enough to become that good at it but it was definetley fun while it lasted, and although many people say that it doesn't really help that much in fights it is fun learning how to control peoples bodies the way they do so i would recommend it as a fun relaxed martial art. :thumbsup:
yea aikido u don't take to become a great fighter... u take it for different reasons. it's very spiritual, and u learn how to redirect energy... and u learn some locks and grapples.... but most importantly it's the philosophy behind it that's most important which is also apparent in the fact that there are no attacking moves in aikido, only defensive counter moves.
yeah I'd do it except I like attack moves alot too even though I'm a defensive sparrer
but it sounds like an even more peaceful version of karate-do, and if you excercise the philosophical principles of karate-do to their full extent, it's pretty damn peaceful
yea man for sure. i did hapkido, which is a korean variation on it. it has a few of the circular movements for redirecting energy and doing self defense and counters, but it utilizes much tighter circular motions. some linear angular motions are applied as well.... and some kicks and sparring resemble TKD. hapkido is a very eclectic art.
haha I'd probably enjoy it as a supplement to my literary/philosophical leanings
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haha I'd probably enjoy it as a supplement to my literary/philosophical leanings
i love the philosophy behind jeet kune do tho. not only for martial arts, but even for life itself.
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haha I'd probably enjoy it as a supplement to my literary/philosophical leanings
i love the philosophy behind jeet kune do tho. not only for martial arts, but even for life itself.
it is actually surprisingly akin to that of karate-do...'be like water' is remarkably like the karate analogy of a pine tree as opposed to an oak tree: oak trees never bend, but they snap when they are under too much stress, whereas pine trees often bend and adapt to the situation, but never break.
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haha I'd probably enjoy it as a supplement to my literary/philosophical leanings
i love the philosophy behind jeet kune do tho. not only for martial arts, but even for life itself.
it is actually surprisingly akin to that of karate-do...'be like water' is remarkably like the karate analogy of a pine tree as opposed to an oak tree: oak trees never bend, but they snap when they are under too much stress, whereas pine trees often bend and adapt to the situation, but never break.
yea there's a korean version of that too. but it's originated from chinese taoist philosophy actually.
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haha I'd probably enjoy it as a supplement to my literary/philosophical leanings
i love the philosophy behind jeet kune do tho. not only for martial arts, but even for life itself.
it is actually surprisingly akin to that of karate-do...'be like water' is remarkably like the karate analogy of a pine tree as opposed to an oak tree: oak trees never bend, but they snap when they are under too much stress, whereas pine trees often bend and adapt to the situation, but never break.
yea there's a korean version of that too. but it's originated from chinese taoist philosophy actually.
I don't doubt it haha
but don't you love the way he says 'be like water?' It sounds oddly evil/devious
"Be like water, my friends, be like water"
what a great man...one of the greatest martial artists since Musashi Miyamoto
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what a great man...one of the greatest martial artists since Musashi Miyamoto
i'd say one of the greatest martial artists of all time.
musashi definitely, amazing swordsman. too bad videos never existed back then so we'd actually know how he fought lol.
i also love the legends of huo yuanjia and wong fei hung. legendary martial artists.
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what a great man...one of the greatest martial artists since Musashi Miyamoto
i'd say one of the greatest martial artists of all time.
musashi definitely, amazing swordsman. too bad videos never existed back then so we'd actually know how he fought lol.
i also love the legends of huo yuanjia and wong fei hung. legendary martial artists.
musashi wasn't just a great swordsman though (even though he defeated other great swordsmen like Gan R'yu), but he was a consummate artist and a masterful writer. One of his bookd, the Book of Five Rings is a modern bestseller
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what a great man...one of the greatest martial artists since Musashi Miyamoto
i'd say one of the greatest martial artists of all time.
musashi definitely, amazing swordsman. too bad videos never existed back then so we'd actually know how he fought lol.
i also love the legends of huo yuanjia and wong fei hung. legendary martial artists.
musashi wasn't just a great swordsman though (even though he defeated other great swordsmen like Gan R'yu), but he was a consummate artist and a masterful writer. One of his bookd, the Book of Five Rings is a modern bestseller
yes of course, i remember reading about him a long time ago, and a lot of my other books mention that book as well. but i was never completely fascinated in japanese history or jap martial arts legends...
it's cuz i'm korean, so what, big whoop... lol
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what a great man...one of the greatest martial artists since Musashi Miyamoto
i'd say one of the greatest martial artists of all time.
musashi definitely, amazing swordsman. too bad videos never existed back then so we'd actually know how he fought lol.
i also love the legends of huo yuanjia and wong fei hung. legendary martial artists.
musashi wasn't just a great swordsman though (even though he defeated other great swordsmen like Gan R'yu), but he was a consummate artist and a masterful writer. One of his bookd, the Book of Five Rings is a modern bestseller
yes of course, i remember reading about him a long time ago, and a lot of my other books mention that book as well. but i was never completely fascinated in japanese history or jap martial arts legends...
it's cuz i'm korean, so what, big whoop... lol
fair enough I guess...haha :cheers:
I wish we Jews had a martial arts legend :down:
We just have Moses :dontknow:
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have any of yall ever tried capoeira? i've got no formal training in it(not many instructors in TN), but i have tried to learn some of it from just watching video clips. i did have someone show me a few things when i was in brasil, but nothing major.
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you might try here:
http://nashville.losritmos.com/calendar.html
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I knew a guy who did Capoeira and he was sick...he was my co-worker at a soccer camp so basically we chilled all day and fsed/talked martial arts it was jokes
but this guy could do a wicked 360 reverse wheel kick without even stretching :bowdown:
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I knew a guy who did Capoeira and he was sick...he was my co-worker at a soccer camp so basically we chilled all day and fsed/talked martial arts it was jokes
but this guy could do a wicked 360 reverse wheel kick without even stretching :bowdown:
i wish i could do a proper front kick without stretching hahahahaha
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omg it's been such a long time. as of today i'm officially back to martial arts training. it felt real good. i couldn't do anything hardcore tho, just some basic techniques and some bag work.
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omg it's been such a long time. as of today i'm officially back to martial arts training. it felt real good. i couldn't do anything hardcore tho, just some basic techniques and some bag work.
thats my resolution starting this coming saturday hahaha
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I did some more research:
the Muay Thai roundhouse kick and the karate/tkd roundhouse kick are basically different techniques
also the roundhouse kick was only introduced to shotokan karate in 1950 :saywhat:
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I did some more research:
the Muay Thai roundhouse kick and the karate/tkd roundhouse kick are basically different techniques
also the roundhouse kick was only introduced to shotokan karate in 1950 :saywhat:
yea. muay thai one is much stronger but slower and easier to anticipate and counter.
and wow.... 1950? lol
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I did some more research:
the Muay Thai roundhouse kick and the karate/tkd roundhouse kick are basically different techniques
also the roundhouse kick was only introduced to shotokan karate in 1950 :saywhat:
yea. muay thai one is much stronger but slower and easier to anticipate and counter.
and wow.... 1950? lol
I think taht if you can't land a technique, it doesn't matter how much power you have.
thats why tkd/karate roundhouse > muay thai roundhouse
it's easier to land
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I did some more research:
the Muay Thai roundhouse kick and the karate/tkd roundhouse kick are basically different techniques
also the roundhouse kick was only introduced to shotokan karate in 1950 :saywhat:
yea. muay thai one is much stronger but slower and easier to anticipate and counter.
and wow.... 1950? lol
I think taht if you can't land a technique, it doesn't matter how much power you have.
thats why tkd/karate roundhouse > muay thai roundhouse
it's easier to land
no way man, that's a dumb thing to say. it always depends on the situation. i know both techniques very well and i use both techniques equally in different situations.
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I did some more research:
the Muay Thai roundhouse kick and the karate/tkd roundhouse kick are basically different techniques
also the roundhouse kick was only introduced to shotokan karate in 1950 :saywhat:
yea. muay thai one is much stronger but slower and easier to anticipate and counter.
and wow.... 1950? lol
I think taht if you can't land a technique, it doesn't matter how much power you have.
thats why tkd/karate roundhouse > muay thai roundhouse
it's easier to land
no way man, that's a dumb thing to say. it always depends on the situation. i know both techniques very well and i use both techniques equally in different situations.
the greater the speed of the technique, and the less the telegraph of the wind up (the muay thai kick has more telegraph) then the greater the likelihood of connecting. Without a doubt, the Muay Thai kick is better once you connect with it, but having seen in in fights and videos, etc, it seems to be slightly easier to evade, because if you see it coming, you have a plit second longer to take a quick step backwards
on the other hand it's harder to dodge because of it's greater roundness
I phrased myself badly there...I think that if you DON'T land a kick, then it doesn't matter how much power you have
connecting on the kick is the first priority, and if there's a bit less power, I'd make that sacrifice
this is not to say that you can't connect on a muay thai roundhouse kick...it's just harder to do
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the greater the speed of the technique, and the less the telegraph of the wind up (the muay thai kick has more telegraph) then the greater the likelihood of connecting. Without a doubt, the Muay Thai kick is better once you connect with it, but having seen in in fights and videos, etc, it seems to be slightly easier to evade, because if you see it coming, you have a plit second longer to take a quick step backwards
on the other hand it's harder to dodge because of it's greater roundness
I phrased myself badly there...I think that if you DON'T land a kick, then it doesn't matter how much power you have
connecting on the kick is the first priority, and if there's a bit less power, I'd make that sacrifice
this is not to say that you can't connect on a muay thai roundhouse kick...it's just harder to do
they are diff kinds of techniques and should be used accordingly, to the situation that the fighter sees fit. each will have its advantages and disadvantages in specific situations.
that goes for dealing with a roundhouse once it's thrown at you too. you don't always have to take a stepback. u can block with the hands/arms, the foot/legs, u can duck if it's high, u can even move in closer and neutralize any kind of kicks completely. all depending on the situation.
it's like football. the ability to read the game is most important.
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the greater the speed of the technique, and the less the telegraph of the wind up (the muay thai kick has more telegraph) then the greater the likelihood of connecting. Without a doubt, the Muay Thai kick is better once you connect with it, but having seen in in fights and videos, etc, it seems to be slightly easier to evade, because if you see it coming, you have a plit second longer to take a quick step backwards
on the other hand it's harder to dodge because of it's greater roundness
I phrased myself badly there...I think that if you DON'T land a kick, then it doesn't matter how much power you have
connecting on the kick is the first priority, and if there's a bit less power, I'd make that sacrifice
this is not to say that you can't connect on a muay thai roundhouse kick...it's just harder to do
they are diff kinds of techniques and should be used accordingly, to the situation that the fighter sees fit. each will have its advantages and disadvantages in specific situations.
that goes for dealing with a roundhouse once it's thrown at you too. you don't always have to take a stepback. u can block with the hands/arms, the foot/legs, u can duck if it's high, u can even move in closer and neutralize any kind of kicks completely. all depending on the situation.
it's like football. the ability to read the game is most important.
thats all true...
but I was just giving my opinion on which kick I believe to be more effective on a regular basis...
I hate when people jam up my kicks, especially small people, because sometimes you know you could just kick through them, but you don't, because thats just a dick move
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thats all true...
but I was just giving my opinion on which kick I believe to be more effective on a regular basis...
I hate when people jam up my kicks, especially small people, because sometimes you know you could just kick through them, but you don't, because thats just a dick move
well it also depends on ur target. going for the thighs or legs in general for example, a muay thai kick is much better than a tkd style kick.
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I tried the six kick combo and I got the double roundhouse and the double sidekick off, but the double hook kick got jammed up :bang:
I won the match though :biggrin:
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I tried the six kick combo and I got the double roundhouse and the double sidekick off, but the double hook kick got jammed up :bang:
I won the match though :biggrin:
try this combo.
fake low left round, jumping high right round, down to a right front snap kick, left side kick, and spinning right sidekick/back kick
tell me how that goes :D
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I tried the six kick combo and I got the double roundhouse and the double sidekick off, but the double hook kick got jammed up :bang:
I won the match though :biggrin:
try this combo.
fake low left round, jumping high right round, down to a right front snap kick, left side kick, and spinning right sidekick/back kick
tell me how that goes :D
will do :cheers:
I scored mainly on sidekick-punch and sidekick-b$ackfist combos today
How abou this:
right head hook kick-right head roundhouse kick-left driving middle front kick-left head punch-right reverse middle punch
or my personal favorite: leadoff punch-double roundhouse-ridge hand to the opposite temple
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will do :cheers:
I scored mainly on sidekick-punch and sidekick-b$ackfist combos today
How abou this:
right head hook kick-right head roundhouse kick-left driving middle front kick-left head punch-right reverse middle punch
or my personal favorite: leadoff punch-double roundhouse-ridge hand to the opposite temple
oooo hand techniques!
there are essentially two types of attacks i love most with my hands. first is the straight punch combos. block and straight punch at the same time.... wing chun chain punches which are basically a series of straight punches.... fake with the kick or a soft low front or round kick then a straight punch..... straight punch or two into a full force power punch/cross (or whatever u call it).......
i also love those circular movements. yay circular movements ftw! a fake hook, then spin into a back hand.... a fake hook spinning into an elbow strike...... fake hook, spin, elbow, spin back the other way into a cross.........
ooo the possibilities! hehehe
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also, yea the temple is a good target but also consider the eyes, nose, right in the front on his mouth, that little spot above ur mouth under ur nose (really good one!), the throat, etc. and that's only like, half the targets u can hit.... above the shoulders!
don't go for the jaws or forehead or top of the head or shit like that. u feel something solid behind ur blows and u feel like ur doing something but when ur on the other end taking those blows u know that those strikes don't hurt that much.
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will do :cheers:
I scored mainly on sidekick-punch and sidekick-b$ackfist combos today
How abou this:
right head hook kick-right head roundhouse kick-left driving middle front kick-left head punch-right reverse middle punch
or my personal favorite: leadoff punch-double roundhouse-ridge hand to the opposite temple
oooo hand techniques!
there are essentially two types of attacks i love most with my hands. first is the straight punch combos. block and straight punch at the same time.... wing chun chain punches which are basically a series of straight punches.... fake with the kick or a soft low front or round kick then a straight punch..... straight punch or two into a full force power punch/cross (or whatever u call it).......
i also love those circular movements. yay circular movements ftw! a fake hook, then spin into a back hand.... a fake hook spinning into an elbow strike...... fake hook, spin, elbow, spin back the other way into a cross.........
ooo the possibilities! hehehe
I love roundhouse punch with a circular elbow rotation into an overhand backfist, and when I was younger I used to do ridge and to the floating rib into ridge hand to the opposite temple, but I have since learned that middle ridge hands are ineffective
generally I only fuse hand techniques together spontaneously. because I'm a really dfensive sparrer, I like to make myself a hard target to hit (I made 3 people attack in the wrong direction today it was great :biggrin:) and then dodge and counter attack in a flurry on punches, backfists, and ridgehands
I work on elbow combos, but generally don't use them in sparring because they are frowned upon for some reason (probably injury-related haha)
the possibilities in martial arts are so varies, though. It's great
@ targetting commen: we're encouraged to hit to teh tip of the nose for sock effect, as well as the throat, the jaw and top of the head (hehe) and that nervous centre on the side of the neck...
techniques to the top of the head work if you do like a hammer kick or something (a technique I learned from my dad's tkd days)
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will do :cheers:
I scored mainly on sidekick-punch and sidekick-b$ackfist combos today
How abou this:
right head hook kick-right head roundhouse kick-left driving middle front kick-left head punch-right reverse middle punch
or my personal favorite: leadoff punch-double roundhouse-ridge hand to the opposite temple
oooo hand techniques!
there are essentially two types of attacks i love most with my hands. first is the straight punch combos. block and straight punch at the same time.... wing chun chain punches which are basically a series of straight punches.... fake with the kick or a soft low front or round kick then a straight punch..... straight punch or two into a full force power punch/cross (or whatever u call it).......
i also love those circular movements. yay circular movements ftw! a fake hook, then spin into a back hand.... a fake hook spinning into an elbow strike...... fake hook, spin, elbow, spin back the other way into a cross.........
ooo the possibilities! hehehe
I love roundhouse punch with a circular elbow rotation into an overhand backfist, and when I was younger I used to do ridge and to the floating rib into ridge hand to the opposite temple, but I have since learned that middle ridge hands are ineffective
generally I only fuse hand techniques together spontaneously. because I'm a really dfensive sparrer, I like to make myself a hard target to hit (I made 3 people attack in the wrong direction today it was great :biggrin:) and then dodge and counter attack in a flurry on punches, backfists, and ridgehands
I work on elbow combos, but generally don't use them in sparring because they are frowned upon for some reason (probably injury-related haha)
the possibilities in martial arts are so varies, though. It's great
@ targetting commen: we're encouraged to hit to teh tip of the nose for sock effect, as well as the throat, the jaw and top of the head (hehe) and that nervous centre on the side of the neck...
techniques to the top of the head work if you do like a hammer kick or something (a technique I learned from my dad's tkd days)
only if the guy's like.... sitting down.... otherwise you don't get that windup for any kind of real power. plus, hammer kicks are ridiculously easy to defend/counter against. also.... shoulders/collarbone might be a better target for those kicks. but even then, i don't like them that much.
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will do :cheers:
I scored mainly on sidekick-punch and sidekick-b$ackfist combos today
How abou this:
right head hook kick-right head roundhouse kick-left driving middle front kick-left head punch-right reverse middle punch
or my personal favorite: leadoff punch-double roundhouse-ridge hand to the opposite temple
oooo hand techniques!
there are essentially two types of attacks i love most with my hands. first is the straight punch combos. block and straight punch at the same time.... wing chun chain punches which are basically a series of straight punches.... fake with the kick or a soft low front or round kick then a straight punch..... straight punch or two into a full force power punch/cross (or whatever u call it).......
i also love those circular movements. yay circular movements ftw! a fake hook, then spin into a back hand.... a fake hook spinning into an elbow strike...... fake hook, spin, elbow, spin back the other way into a cross.........
ooo the possibilities! hehehe
I love roundhouse punch with a circular elbow rotation into an overhand backfist, and when I was younger I used to do ridge and to the floating rib into ridge hand to the opposite temple, but I have since learned that middle ridge hands are ineffective
generally I only fuse hand techniques together spontaneously. because I'm a really dfensive sparrer, I like to make myself a hard target to hit (I made 3 people attack in the wrong direction today it was great :biggrin:) and then dodge and counter attack in a flurry on punches, backfists, and ridgehands
I work on elbow combos, but generally don't use them in sparring because they are frowned upon for some reason (probably injury-related haha)
the possibilities in martial arts are so varies, though. It's great
@ targetting commen: we're encouraged to hit to teh tip of the nose for sock effect, as well as the throat, the jaw and top of the head (hehe) and that nervous centre on the side of the neck...
techniques to the top of the head work if you do like a hammer kick or something (a technique I learned from my dad's tkd days)
only if the guy's like.... sitting down.... otherwise you don't get that windup for any kind of real power. plus, hammer kicks are ridiculously easy to defend/counter against. also.... shoulders/collarbone might be a better target for those kicks. but even then, i don't like them that much.
haha yeah you're right I was just trying to think of a tecnique that would work striking the top of the head...
oooo maybe some sort of leaping elbow strike coming down onto the head like in Ong Bak lol :dontknow:
but seriously that might actually be effective
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haha yeah you're right I was just trying to think of a tecnique that would work striking the top of the head...
oooo maybe some sort of leaping elbow strike coming down onto the head like in Ong Bak lol :dontknow:
but seriously that might actually be effective
effective if you can land it... lol
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haha yeah you're right I was just trying to think of a tecnique that would work striking the top of the head...
oooo maybe some sort of leaping elbow strike coming down onto the head like in Ong Bak lol :dontknow:
but seriously that might actually be effective
effective if you can land it... lol
chances are like 1 in 12000 haha
if some dumbass tries to do that to me I'd kick him...and then run like fuck, because if he's crazy enough to try that, then hes probably got a baseball bat
I prefer not having to piece my face back together with metal plates
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haha yeah you're right I was just trying to think of a tecnique that would work striking the top of the head...
oooo maybe some sort of leaping elbow strike coming down onto the head like in Ong Bak lol :dontknow:
but seriously that might actually be effective
effective if you can land it... lol
chances are like 1 in 12000 haha
if some dumbass tries to do that to me I'd kick him...and then run like fuck, because if he's crazy enough to try that, then hes probably got a baseball bat
I prefer not having to piece my face back together with metal plates
1 in 12000???
THAT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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haha yeah you're right I was just trying to think of a tecnique that would work striking the top of the head...
oooo maybe some sort of leaping elbow strike coming down onto the head like in Ong Bak lol :dontknow:
but seriously that might actually be effective
effective if you can land it... lol
chances are like 1 in 12000 haha
if some dumbass tries to do that to me I'd kick him...and then run like fuck, because if he's crazy enough to try that, then hes probably got a baseball bat
I prefer not having to piece my face back together with metal plates
1 in 12000???
THAT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You might even get a CARROT!!!!
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I can tell that anybody who is reading this doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about
I was quoting a Rick Mercer skit haha
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but generally don't use them in sparring because they are frowned upon for some reason
easy to cut. easy to knock the fuck out of someone with them. would be kind of like sparring w/o gloves x 2
if some dumbass tries to do that to me I'd kick him...and then run like fuck, because if he's crazy enough to try that, then hes probably got a baseball bat
it's a spike
if someone tries it, he's probably some 5' 4" 130 lb thai badass. then again, if someone tries that, you probably don't have any business fighting him anyway
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but generally don't use them in sparring because they are frowned upon for some reason
easy to cut. easy to knock the fuck out of someone with them. would be kind of like sparring w/o gloves x 2
if some dumbass tries to do that to me I'd kick him...and then run like fuck, because if he's crazy enough to try that, then hes probably got a baseball bat
it's a spike
if someone tries it, he's probably some 5' 4" 130 lb thai badass. then again, if someone tries that, you probably don't have any business fighting him anyway
hence the 'run like fuck'
and yeah I know that about elbows, I was being facetious. For me, they seem so much more devastating than a punch, but that may be just me.
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i don't know if you should even kick him :lol: thankfully "samuel colt made man equal"
and yeah I know that about elbows, I was being facetious. For me, they seem so much more devastating than a punch, but that may be just me.
it's not just you
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i don't know if you should even kick him :lol: thankfully "samuel colt made man equal"
and yeah I know that about elbows, I was being facetious. For me, they seem so much more devastating than a punch, but that may be just me.
it's not just you
yeah but I really don't wanna be carrying a fucking pistol around with me
I think the best solution is to run like a madman, because you're probably being chased by one
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i don't know if you should even kick him :lol: thankfully "samuel colt made man equal"
and yeah I know that about elbows, I was being facetious. For me, they seem so much more devastating than a punch, but that may be just me.
it's not just you
yeah but I really don't wanna be carrying a fucking pistol around with me
I think the best solution is to run like a madman, because you're probably being chased by one
i carry 8 inch metal nunchucks around with me... does that count?
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i don't know if you should even kick him :lol: thankfully "samuel colt made man equal"
and yeah I know that about elbows, I was being facetious. For me, they seem so much more devastating than a punch, but that may be just me.
it's not just you
yeah but I really don't wanna be carrying a fucking pistol around with me
I think the best solution is to run like a madman, because you're probably being chased by one
i carry 8 inch metal nunchucks around with me... does that count?
I'd say it qualifies
remind me not to give you any personal info
I don't trust maniacs who carry nunchucks around with them all the time
:biggrin:
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aww yeee I landed a double roundhouse-double roundhouse combo and it won me the match :pimp:
edward I didn't get a chance to do your combo, and anyways, the ring we were sparring in today was too small for it to be a logical combo to do :dontknow:
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affliction event tonight just ended
fedor v. arlovski
arlovski was getting the better of the first round. sent fedor into the ropes with a push kick. tried to throw a flying knee off of fedor's rebound, and fedor hit him with a looping right hand on the chin. arlovski spun in the air and ended on the ground k('ed)tfo
fedor v. barnett if affliction doesn't fold
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is there a high chance of aflliction folding?
I haven't been following mma lately, haven't found the time....
anybody know what happened in the GSP fight?
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anybody know what happened in the GSP fight?
v. bj penn? hasn't happened yet.
is there a high chance of aflliction folding?
they aren't making money (and haven't been). they paid out approx >3 million for this fight (they pay better than the ufc), and had 13k in attendence. their ppv payout isn't supposed to be nearly what is needed.
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anybody know what happened in the GSP fight?
v. bj penn? hasn't happened yet.
ok good...know anywhere I could stream it from?
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yeah. i'll find one and post it up before the event
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yeah. i'll find one and post it up before the event
sweetness
thanks yo
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what is the most powerfull move or one knockout blow there is
i would say the knee to the face
you would say????????
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point of this thread?
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point of this thread?
no pint you dope just wondering why problem?
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pointless thread go ask it in the other ufc topic not make one about the best move :S
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pointless thread go ask it in the other ufc topic not make one about the best move :S
why then that's just be awkward so i did this one
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theres already a ufc knockout and a mma thread. why dont yo ask there instalead of making a new thread
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theres already a ufc knockout and a mma thread. why dont yo ask there instalead of making a new thread
My point exactly.
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theres already a ufc knockout and a mma thread. why dont yo ask there instalead of making a new thread
My point exactly.
ufc and mma is gay. nobody actually knows how to fight in there, except for a few. the rest are just big strong brawlers.