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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: G-Man on Jul 04, 2008, 04:46: AM
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i read this argument on another topic, wud u rather be like arsenal and play the best football and not win as much or be like chelsea and win more trophies
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be like arsenal
seeing as no1 likes chelsea and if u play nice enough football your trophies will come in due time
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I'd rather be like Barca and do both (except this year....they flopped on the trophy winning side of things :down:)
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heres my view as previously posted...
i think the "arsenal plays such good football" is a bit overrated. i find it quite annoying how they can play in the first 2/3rds the pitch, but suck dick in the final third. i personally don't find it that entertaining, and don't quite understand why people jump on the aresenal play great 3rd place football bandwagon.
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What trophies do Chelsea win? Man U are the ones winning trophies. Usually if you play the best football you win trophies. Unless you're italy....And Arsenal has won their share of trophies. Just have to bounce back after losing big players. The young players are gaining experience and I think they'll be closer to challenging for the Premier League.
Don't be a whiner and complain how Arsenal didn't win anything and say they played the best football.
I like Chelsea. Thus there are some Chelsea fans :booty:
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What trophies do Chelsea win?
You can't be serious.
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Ok Arsenal have won just as many trophies in the last eight years as Chelsea, and if you go back further they've won a shitload more. So yes, what trophies? As far as clubs in England go, Chelsea doesn't have a vast trophy cabinet.
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Because the Arsenal of about 5-4 years ago actually played to win and knew how to finish in the final 3rd. Now its seems this Arsenal is looking for the perfect goal. How many games that Arsenal could have easily won last season but they lost. Because they lack execution in front of goal.
Arsenal fell off the moment Vieira departed. And its been Chelsea ever since.
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They scored more goals in the premier league than Chelsea it seems. And they allowed fewer. They were only two points behind Chelsea. Doesn't seem like Arsenal did too bad to me.....In fact with those stats they should have been in front of Chelsea... :nopity:
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In a season where Chelsea was going under great change. They still shattered Arsenals title hopes at the Bridge. Chelsea went into the final weeks with a real shot at the Prem title. Might I also add two finals Champions league and Carling cup finals. We still had a much better season than Arsenal even tho Chelsea where had a bad season. Don't get me wrong I love how Arsenal play and wouldn't mind seeing them do better next season. But Wengers signings are average for a club competing for major trophies.
Compare Arsenal with Tottenham or Blackburn not Chelsea. ;)
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I still think they have every chance of winning. He tries to sign the stars of tomorrow rather than the stars that have already established themselves like Chelsea does. Look at his targets, Nasri this year..Hleb two or three years ago...Adebayor...He's had van persie forever. He's got a bunch of talented players who may not be the big names, but they can definitely play. Look at Van Persie now. Arsenal lost their two big captains but that doesn't mean they haven't been competing for the title every year. Except two years ago. They still finished fourth, which i believe is better than the final third. They have been in the final fifth of the table :thumbsup:
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dont compare arsenal and tottenham or blackburn because there is a reason Arsenal is part of the English "Big 4" tottenham's cup win over chelsea this past season has been their only cup since 99
and blackburn...the hell r u talking about?
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I hope they can win the Premier league I'm all good so long as Liverpool or Manchester United don't win it. :down:
I hope they hold on to Heleb they would struggle without him. Rocisky, Van Persi can remain fit. The return of Eduardo, things would be looking good for Arsenal but too many injuries screwed them over last season. As for Chelsea v Arsenal I always seen Chelsea to be stronger same with United even before Mourinho and the titles our record against the top teams has been pretty good even if Chelsea where not winning trophies.
Relax the Tottenham and Blackburn comparison was a joke.
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arsenal were playingthe football of kings.
but you need goals and a good experienced striker is all they need in my opinion
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be like chelsea and win more trophies
who need to play good football when your a champion and get the gold
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Ok Arsenal have won just as many trophies in the last eight years as Chelsea, and if you go back further they've won a shitload more. So yes, what trophies? As far as clubs in England go, Chelsea doesn't have a vast trophy cabinet.
Yes, but before Wegner came to Arsenal they won a lot of their trophies being known as "boring boring Arsenal." So you cannot count the trophies won back then as them winning with a beautiful brand of football. It also important to note though that Chelsea have only ever been a force while playing fairly dour soccer. Before Abramovich came Chelsea had won less top division titles than my team Burnley!!
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heres my view as previously posted...
i think the "arsenal plays such good football" is a bit overrated. i find it quite annoying how they can play in the first 2/3rds the pitch, but suck dick in the final third. i personally don't find it that entertaining, and don't quite understand why people jump on the aresenal play great 3rd place football bandwagon.
forget badnwagons. you're on a bandwagon wagon.
anyone who doesn't enjoy watching arsenal play is either pissed off that they play such great football, or doesn't know shit about football.
sorry to put it so blunt, but thats the truth of the matter.
i'd take watching Arsenal play the football they play right now forever. why you think they have the second highest revenue behind Real Madrid in other words they have a global fan base. for the obvious reason.
silverware will ake care of itself like Sule says.
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Manchester United don't need to pick one or the either, because they get both, and it's fucking true.
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not really,
man u playing beautiful is when in doubt give it to ronaldo, thus he can sprint like a horse and slip in behind the defense and 1-0
not that entertaining to watch but it definitely worked for them this past season
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ooooh he showed you. :booty:
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heres my view as previously posted...
i think the "arsenal plays such good football" is a bit overrated. i find it quite annoying how they can play in the first 2/3rds the pitch, but suck dick in the final third. i personally don't find it that entertaining, and don't quite understand why people jump on the aresenal play great 3rd place football bandwagon.
forget badnwagons. you're on a bandwagon wagon.
anyone who doesn't enjoy watching arsenal play is either pissed off that they play such great football, or doesn't know shit about football.
sorry to put it so blunt, but thats the truth of the matter.
i'd take watching Arsenal play the football they play right now forever. why you think they have the second highest revenue behind Real Madrid in other words they have a global fan base. for the obvious reason.
silverware will ake care of itself like Sule says.
mourinho doesn't know shit about football either since his teams down play "beautifully" like arsenal. got it.
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Borg this past season they would constantly show that ONE play with Rooney's backheel to Tevez
could u show me another time when they did or even tried something similar?
thats what i thought
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Something similar, please, who in the world can pull off something like that somewhat similar, nice cross in from the defence, nice touch to Tevez, to Rooney, beautiful layoff backheel to Tevez, goal. Please, it's just not going to happen again, and if so, the defence would probably be more prepared.
Let's be realistic here, United play beautiful football. You can watch historic videos to this date, United play beautiful, United play beautiful, United play beautiful.
Show me something that Arsenal did somewhat the same.
That's what I thought.
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Something similar, please, who in the world can pull off something like that somewhat similar, nice cross in from the defence, nice touch to Tevez, to Rooney, beautiful layoff backheel to Tevez, goal. Please, it's just not going to happen again, and if so, the defence would probably be more prepared.
Cambiasso goal in the WC 06 against Serbia. There are plenty of goals which have build ups similar to those but without a doubt that was still a great set up.
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I thought he meant by United, but thanks Chunk, there's another point. ;)
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Arsenal play much better football than United especially. Don't even begin to compare.
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thank you melbourne
and borg i could probably find a vid like that but unfortunately im a lazy 14 kid who doesnt have time to prove u wrong :biggrin: jokes
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arsenal had build ups like the argentina one many times but were unable to finish.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0habEZozCAk&feature=related
this is what you call football
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Arsenal play much better football than United especially. Don't even begin to compare.
BETTER? are u sure? if i remember correctly united just got done winning 2 trophies...how many did arsenal win?
At least stick to ur crap argument that its more beautiful, but dont go throwing words like better out there.
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Look above you will see better football. And if it wasn't for Chelsea having there worse season in the last 5 years both trophies would have been ours. But last season is history now.
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in the past seasons Chelsea have only been the competiton for United in the Premiership, Arsenal can dominate but are not that consistant which is a shame because there style is most probably my favourite.
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arsenal had build ups like the argentina one many times but were unable to finish.
Finish is everything, duh. :rolleyes:
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arsenal, everybody admires them and teams like spain and holland played very good football in the EC and still won their matches (except russia then)
everybody hates chelsea :cursing:
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That was some nice stuff and it looks like they finished all of those. I think next year they will be a lot closer to the top spot in the premier league.
Once again, I like Chelsea Sander
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the problem with arsenal is that we at times dont have enough depth in the team
its a bittersweet moment
we dont have enough depth becuz were nurturing young youth talent to become amazing players
so if we abandon that style of coaching our style of play will fall as well
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if arsenal keep playing the way they are and keep their players. they will shourly be compatitors and even chapions
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yea because look at how we built up our Invincables team. After like 5yrs of nurturing the youth arsene wenger brought out a team that finished a season unbeaten
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exactly! well this topic is closed. any more arguments.
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yes but where is the title now lol
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yes but where is the title now lol
:cheers:
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yea because look at how we built up our Invincables team. After like 5yrs of nurturing the youth arsene wenger brought out a team that finished a season unbeaten
At that time, Wegner actually spent a huge amount of money. Probably only slightly less than Man. Utd.
Lauren 7m
Pires 8m
Silva 6m
Ljungberg 5m
Henry 12m
Bergkamp 8m (although not bought by Wegner, was still a big money signing made by the club)
Wiltord 13m and he was sitting on the bench
Campbell was signed on huge wages from Tottenham
Kanu 5m
Edu 7m
Not really a team with young talent nurtured by Wegner . Only Ashley Cole, Vieria and Toure were players that were bought through on the cheap. Get your facts straight mate, and you call yourself an Arsenal fan? Hahahahahaha
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he still made them play beautifully
not just any coach could take those players and turn them into an unstoppable machine
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yea because look at how we built up our Invincables team. After like 5yrs of nurturing the youth arsene wenger brought out a team that finished a season unbeaten
At that time, Wegner actually spent a huge amount of money. Probably only slightly less than Man. Utd.
Lauren 7m
Pires 8m
Silva 6m
Ljungberg 5m
Henry 12m
Bergkamp 8m (although not bought by Wegner, was still a big money signing made by the club)
Wiltord 13m and he was sitting on the bench
Campbell was signed on huge wages from Tottenham
Kanu 5m
Edu 7m
Not really a team with young talent nurtured by Wegner . Only Ashley Cole, Vieria and Toure were players that were bought through on the cheap. Get your facts straight mate, and you call yourself an Arsenal fan? Hahahahahaha
All bargains at those prices
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yes but where is the title now lol
i dont get it :down:
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yes but where is the title now lol
i dont get it :down:
don't worry Moby with time your peanut of a brain will process it and understand/GET IT
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for me arsenal plays better then chelsea but chelsea wins more :dontknow:
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yea because look at how we built up our Invincables team. After like 5yrs of nurturing the youth arsene wenger brought out a team that finished a season unbeaten
At that time, Wegner actually spent a huge amount of money. Probably only slightly less than Man. Utd.
Lauren 7m
Pires 8m
Silva 6m
Ljungberg 5m
Henry 12m
Bergkamp 8m (although not bought by Wegner, was still a big money signing made by the club)
Wiltord 13m and he was sitting on the bench
Campbell was signed on huge wages from Tottenham
Kanu 5m
Edu 7m
Not really a team with young talent nurtured by Wegner . Only Ashley Cole, Vieria and Toure were players that were bought through on the cheap. Get your facts straight mate, and you call yourself an Arsenal fan? Hahahahahaha
All bargains at those prices
Some of them were decent purchases, yes. I was simply making a point that Wegner went some way to buying the success for that team. Seal was saying that Wegner is nurturing young talent like before which is wrong, he bought more experienced proven players back then.
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score one for the nut. they were all experienced but unknown before arsenal thats the genius of wenger
back to the topic tho. its a shame in football the best team does not always win but thats life. there was a post that says arsenals play is overrated. you must not watch that much football if you dont think they are entertaining to watch. back in the day arsenal used to be boring and win trophies but that is the main target of everyone so if you play entertaining or bad everyone will hate you when you are at the top.
i think its more a matter of respect. if you play the best and win you are well respected. chelsea dont play entertaining but they play effectively and they involve money way too much in football which why no one likes them or respects them outside chelsea supporters. Man u (as much as i hate them) have built themselves up (since the 90's. 70's and 80's they were shit). they play good football and are well respected throughout world football. Liverpool have great supporters and a great history for me all that passion transfers to their players on the pitch.
all in all i think the best football is more important because that does eventually bring you trophies on top of entertaining the fans.
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only reason Man U have gotten better and better is because of Fergie and his mentality he sets down at the teams