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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: TheKingNut on May 12, 2008, 06:35: AM
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With Fernando Torres goal scoring exploits this season and the re-emergence of Didier Drogba towards the end of the season (he finally got over his love sickness for Mourinho), the question of, who is the worlds best striker?, starts to be bashed around a little. For me the number one is Samuel Eto'o.
If you are looking for the all round striker then this is your man. Fantastic movement, accompanied with great finishing. He can lead the line, come short, play off the shoulder. Put that together with strength and pace and decent ability in the air, I think we are talking about the best striker since Ronaldo at his peak. Eto'o still hasn't achieved the heights of him by any stretch, but he is the best since.
Despite his arrogant nature, he is main man. What's your thoughts?
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He hasn't got the speed of Torres...hes got the finish...but Torres is the better striker and player overall. El Nino is the best right now. :bowdown:
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eto truly has everything. i aint never seen a player like him. he usually put away almost every chance he gets. but right now it van nistelrooy. he's a goal scoring machine
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I think Eto'o used to be the best prior to his knee injury. Now he's lost a step and still looks to be working his way back to full fitness.
At the moment, Torres is the best striker for me. The question is how well he will do this summer and next year in the Premier League. Teams will tighten up on him more and try to stop him now that they know about his ways. If he can pull off another great season, he'll be one of the top 5 players in the world.
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Adi, I understand your argument. Torres has been very good this year but to claim he is the best striker in the world is far fetched. For me personally, the best striker in the world is the striker you would pick in the world cup final to start and get you a goal and a great performance. Torres is no where near that standard yet. Such names as Eto'o (my number one), Drogba, Owen, Rooney, Inzaghi, would be ahead of the spanish man. Yes, he has been good this year but he is not the real deal yet. I think he is great but can he score away from anfield? Can he score on the big occasion? Not yet. He is young and full potential but not the best in the world yet. 9 months of form is great but others have done it for a while and still do it on the big stage when needed, these are still the best strikers in the world!!!
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I think he is the man for the big occasion. He's been destined for the big stage since he was named Atletico captain at the age of 19. :saywhat:
As far as his away record is concerned, he scored away to Chelsea and Inter this season. Not only that but he's also scored other big goals such as they one in the Champions League against Arsenal, and his goal against Chelsea in league play.
He's still got plenty of time to prove his doubters wrong. He's got the whole package and has already performed at the highest level. To say that he's not the best striker right now simply because he hasn't won the World Cup or Champions League is not fair in my eyes.
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must you always bring up inter losing adi?
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also, Torres played great in the 2006 world cup. He scored lots and split the defense with his speed.
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Adi, Torres might be the best form wise but you cannot give him the title of Best Striker In The World off the back of one season. You are missing my point completely. Is Roque Santa Cruz in the top ten strikers in the world because he finished top four in England?? No he isn't. Think Adi, THINK!!!!
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Adi, Torres might be the best form wise but you cannot give him the title of Best Striker In The World off the back of one season. You are missing my point completely. Is Roque Santa Cruz in the top ten strikers in the world because he finished top four in England?? No he isn't. Think Adi, THINK!!!!
Torres has been in great form for years. Do you watch Spanish League?
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No, he's English... they only watch the Premier League. :biggrin:
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I see...its like league xenophobia
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one day i hope to be able to do this with the mls :down:
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yeah. Unfortunate, isn't it :down:
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Adi, Torres might be the best form wise but you cannot give him the title of Best Striker In The World off the back of one season. You are missing my point completely. Is Roque Santa Cruz in the top ten strikers in the world because he finished top four in England?? No he isn't. Think Adi, THINK!!!!
Torres has been in great form for years. Do you watch Spanish League?
In great form? Are you sure, did he ever break 20 goals? Most of the Spanish ex-players, panelists, were saying not to expect too much for him when Liverpool signed him. Did you call him the best striker in the world when he was with Madrid? No, you didn't. You eggs probably had no idea of how good he was, how he played or anything of the such. You probably read on soccernet he was good and caught a few of his goals on goalTV. Don't act like your la liga experts. In terms of goals, he was probably on the same level as James Beattie or yakubu before this season, about a 1 in 3 record. Bloody hell I am good at this debating stuff....I'm always right
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he broke twenty goals twice overall. highest tally in la liga was nineteen.
i remember hearing similar things last year.
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Haha, you silly goose.
Ronaldo, Samuel Eto'o and David Villa were the only ones bettering his goal tally during his time in Spain. I guess that's not too bad considering he was under 20 for the majority of his stay in Spain. He scored 0.43 goals per game in La Liga.
All I'm trying to say is that Torres will only get better. He's been getting better every year and this season he was already one of the best. There is nothing to show that he will decline as a player, except if he gets a serious injury. I still think he has plenty of potential to fulfill.
On the other hand, you have Eto'o who has already peaked 3 years ago and is just now finding his old form due to his injury. If Eto'o can get back to his best, I'd pick him. As of now, he's just a pain in the ass with no more potential to fulfill.
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Adi, you really annoy me with your arguments. I am not saying anything about Torres' potential. I am stating that he is not the best striker in the world. I think he could be but he is not currently. I hate it when everyone jumps on a bandwagon. The same people who were saying they were not sure about him a year ago are the same people saying he is great now.
And I was right about him never breaking 20 league goals wasn't I?? Yes, so people shouldn't use the argument that he was banging the goals in before this season. He had many doubters before it, so people need to relax and stop talking....NOW!!!
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Adi, you really annoy me with your arguments. I am not saying anything about Torres' potential. I am stating that he is not the best striker in the world. I think he could be but he is not currently. I hate it when everyone jumps on a bandwagon. The same people who were saying they were not sure about him a year ago are the same people saying he is great now.
And I was right about him never breaking 20 league goals wasn't I?? Yes, so people shouldn't use the argument that he was banging the goals in before this season. He had many doubters before it, so people need to relax and stop talking....NOW!!!
How many goals did you exactly think he would score this year? I bet you didn't think he'd score more than 30 goals in all. That makes you no better than us at predicting how good he would be before the season.
Even if we are not considering the potential, I still think Torres is better than Eto'o right now. I'm on no bandwagon and I could care less how well Torres plays. The question is who is the best right now and I think Torres is. Torres doesn't get half of the quality set up plays that Eto'o does with Barcelona, yet he's been just as effective.
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Adi, you really annoy me with your arguments. I am not saying anything about Torres' potential. I am stating that he is not the best striker in the world. I think he could be but he is not currently. I hate it when everyone jumps on a bandwagon. The same people who were saying they were not sure about him a year ago are the same people saying he is great now.
And I was right about him never breaking 20 league goals wasn't I?? Yes, so people shouldn't use the argument that he was banging the goals in before this season. He had many doubters before it, so people need to relax and stop talking....NOW!!!
How many goals did you exactly think he would score this year? I bet you didn't think he'd score more than 30 goals in all. That makes you no better than us at predicting how good he would be before the season.
Even if we are not considering the potential, I still think Torres is better than Eto'o right now. I'm on no bandwagon and I could care less how well Torres plays. The question is who is the best right now and I think Torres is. Torres doesn't get half of the quality set up plays that Eto'o does with Barcelona, yet he's been just as effective.
Yes I didn't think he would score the amount he did but I'm not on the bandwagon saying he is the best striker in the world, ADI. I understand your argument saying Torres has been better this year, he has been, but are you telling me that when Eto'o is fully fit, Torres is better? Please don't say to me Eto'o is worse player now after his injury, this is not true.
Yes, he gets more chances but isn't that because he earned the right to play for a better team? Why didn't Barca sign him? Because he's not as good as Eto'o. Adi, I love you dearly but you are wrong on this one. Give Torres this Euro and next season and then we will talk, when he has done it consistently.
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I've been a fan of el nino since before 2006, so waht bandwagon :dontknow:
anyhow kingnut, your arguments are flawed and I'll leave Adi to argue with you since you are conradicting yourself a ridiculous amount. Fist you say that Torres doesnt score as much. Then you say that even though Etoo gaets more chances and hasnt scored as much as torres, he is still better because he plays for Barcelona. Newsflash: Man U is also one of the leading clubs in the world.
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I've been a fan of el nino since before 2006, so waht bandwagon :dontknow:
anyhow kingnut, your arguments are flawed and I'll leave Adi to argue with you since you are conradicting yourself a ridiculous amount. Fist you say that Torres doesnt score as much. Then you say that even though Etoo gaets more chances and hasnt scored as much as torres, he is still better because he plays for Barcelona. Newsflash: Man U is also one of the leading clubs in the world.
Haha, are you sure mate? How is my argument flawed? And do you know what contradicting means? (Oh and by the way, note my spelling of contradicting, I have spelled it the correct way)
Lets make things clear shall we teetotalfootie, whatever your name is. I stated Torres did not score more than 20 league goals in Spain before he came to England, and I was correct and never went back on that, obviously I wouldn't considering my claims were correct.
Next, I said that Eto'o had earned the right to play with better players as he earned his move to Barcelona (scored 24 and 26 goals, in his first two seasons respectively there by the way which is more that Torres ever did for Madrid)
My argument is not flawed, it is backed up with stats. You obviously don't have a brain as:
A. You struggle to spell correctly
B. Don't know the meaning of words
You seriously need to think about ever writing on one of my topics again. I actually want to have debates with people that know about football.
Grow a brain mate.
Actually, Adi, any danger of getting this guy kicked off the forum all together?
ETO'O! ETO'O! ETO'O!
I am the King....TheNutKing....hahahahahahahahahaha
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also, Torres played great in the 2006 world cup. He scored lots and split the defense with his speed.
Haha, classic, rubbish totalfootball10 sort of comment
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You are a nut! :stupid:
:cheers:
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Francesco Totti - the Injuries = Best Striker in the world
simple substraction
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kingnut, I can guarantee you that I am far more literate than you could ever hope to be. You shouldn't be so derisive, you make yourself seem pretentious. That being said, your logic would dictate that Beckham, when he was on Real Madrid, was a better player than Riquleme, for example, just because he was on a better club. Remember that many of the best players in the history of the game played on weak clubs when compared to the European powerhouses. The two best examples of this are Pele and Garrincha.
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You are a nut! :stupid:
:cheers:
I'm guessing you guys know eachother? :thumbsup:
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I truly hope that adi has not stooped to such a level. Associating himself with the likes of kingnut?! :saywhat:
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kingnut, I can guarantee you that I am far more literate than you could ever hope to be. You shouldn't be so derisive, you make yourself seem pretentious. That being said, your logic would dictate that Beckham, when he was on Real Madrid, was a better player than Riquleme, for example, just because he was on a better club. Remember that many of the best players in the history of the game played on weak clubs when compared to the European powerhouses. The two best examples of this are Pele and Garrincha.
Ok, totalfootball. Am I suppose to strive to be as literate as a guy who can't spell contradicting and also doesn't know what it means? Haha, you crack me up. Beckham a better player than Riquelme? 100% kid and you better believe it. You are the sort of idiot who reads everything that's in the papers and on the internet and believe it. Lets put some facts out there in bullet point form:
* Riquelme nominated for World Player of Year twice. Beckham on the other hand was voted runner up twice. Beckham prevails.
* Beckham played for Man.Utd and won the Champions League. Riquelme lost in Semi with Villarreal. Beckham prevails.
* Beckham signed for Real Madrid and was an ever present for the most part. Riquelme signed for Barca and was a flop. Beckham again.
* Beckham captain of his country and 100 caps. Riquelme 45 caps. Wow, Beckham again.
Some sort of trend there maybe? Hahaha, I love being right all the time.
Pele and Garrincha played on weak teams did they? Interesting point, but incorrect. Have you ever even seen these two players play on tape before? You probably have no idea of how these guys even played. Actually maybe you know about Pele, every North American does, they always call him "Pay-Lay." That's probably how you pronounce it as well, isn't it totalfootball? Haha.
Do you know what I would do if I was you totalfootball? I would go back to dictionary.com or whatever website you went to so the post you wrote this time actually made sense grammatically and write on those websites instead. You obviously are desperate to try and portray yourself as knowing something about football, but rather tragically for you, you just don't mate. You are throwing out names like Garrincha in your posts and you have NO IDEA ABOUT HIM. Do you know about Eder, Socrates, Revelino? I'm fairly certain you don't. Go and look them up on youtube or whatever website you want before writing your next post, but you are not going to fool me kiddo. Why don't you stick to the NHL, NFL or MLB. You probably know more about those leagues and the sport that is played within them.
TheKingNut, for the most part, is always going to be right. When I am not I will hold my hands up but it's not going to be often.Maybe one day when you have some sort of knowledge you can challenge me. Bye bye totalfootball, see you in a few years.
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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You are a nut! :stupid:
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I'm guessing you guys know eachother? :thumbsup:
Yeah, I know this douchebag. He's being a twat right now on this forum. :boxing:
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ADI!!! What are you talking about? I'm bringing some controversy to the forum. As well as that I am also right in what I am saying, just because totalfootball is an egg, don't take it out on me
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adi. im here. create a thread about rooney and i will destroy him.
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:banana: :banana: :banana:
There was already a long topic on Rooney. Check it out here: http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/index.php?topic=768.0
You can post at the end of it if you'd like, or you can start a new one with a different twist on it.
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kingnut Garrincha is my hero and the best winger who ever lived. I have seen footage of both Garrincha and Pele, and I have learned soccer from a Brazil A-Licensed coach who played in the Mexican First Division, as well as a former NASL player who has won the Ontario Coach of the Year award a few times. As a sidenote, I edited an internationally acclaimed book of poetry at the age of 10, so yes I am literate. The poet who wrote it is now considered to be one of the leading childrens' poets in North America, although quite frankly his adult poetry just doesn't cut it. And Riquelme in 2006 versus Beckham in 2006 while he was on Real Madrid...Riquelme would undoubtedly get the better of that exchange.
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sidenote number two: kingnut, if you know what total football is, then you'll know why Torres is a better player than Eto'o.
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I don't care what poet you know, you still can't spell mate. You also don't seem to know very much about football. I saw your post on "soccer strategy." A diamond in defense? What on earth are you talking about? You should go and read my response to your garbage post, I hammer you.
When were we comparing Riquelme and Beckham in 2006? You didn't give a specific year, eggbert. I don't care what year it was anyway, Beckham would always get my vote. He has had a far more illustrious career than Riquelme.
So apparently I have no football knowledge because I think Eto'o is better than Torres. What a terrible statement. I say that you know nothing as you talk about playing a diamond in defense formation with a center back, 2 full backs and a player in front of them. I really, really hope that you mean 3 center backs, because if you don't then I'm worried you are taking the piss by calling that the best formation in the world.
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Berbatov was superb last season. Now he is going to bigger club than Tottenham and he will be even better!
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I don't care what poet you know, you still can't spell mate. You also don't seem to know very much about football. I saw your post on "soccer strategy." A diamond in defense? What on earth are you talking about? You should go and read my response to your garbage post, I hammer you.
When were we comparing Riquelme and Beckham in 2006? You didn't give a specific year, eggbert. I don't care what year it was anyway, Beckham would always get my vote. He has had a far more illustrious career than Riquelme.
So apparently I have no football knowledge because I think Eto'o is better than Torres. What a terrible statement. I say that you know nothing as you talk about playing a diamond in defense formation with a center back, 2 full backs and a player in front of them. I really, really hope that you mean 3 center backs, because if you don't then I'm worried you are taking the piss by calling that the best formation in the world.
in 2006 Beckham was on Real Madrid, a better club than Riquelme was on, so the comparison applies then. And you can't honestly say that Beckham was better than Riquelme in 2006. I'm not saying you have no football knowledge...that was a backhanded attempt to bring the fact that Torres is a better all around player than Eto'o to tour attentions. Total Football is all about all around players, even at striker. Also, even though you piss me off, I'm loving this debate, so lets keep it up.
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I don't care what poet you know, you still can't spell mate. You also don't seem to know very much about football. I saw your post on "soccer strategy." A diamond in defense? What on earth are you talking about? You should go and read my response to your garbage post, I hammer you.
When were we comparing Riquelme and Beckham in 2006? You didn't give a specific year, eggbert. I don't care what year it was anyway, Beckham would always get my vote. He has had a far more illustrious career than Riquelme.
So apparently I have no football knowledge because I think Eto'o is better than Torres. What a terrible statement. I say that you know nothing as you talk about playing a diamond in defense formation with a center back, 2 full backs and a player in front of them. I really, really hope that you mean 3 center backs, because if you don't then I'm worried you are taking the piss by calling that the best formation in the world.
in 2006 Beckham was on Real Madrid, a better club than Riquelme was on, so the comparison applies then. And you can't honestly say that Beckham was better than Riquelme in 2006. I'm not saying you have no football knowledge...that was a backhanded attempt to bring the fact that Torres is a better all around player than Eto'o to tour attentions. Total Football is all about all around players, even at striker. Also, even though you piss me off, I'm loving this debate, so lets keep it up.
Ok, with regards to the whole "better club" debate, I merely said that to highlight the flaw of Adi's argument. He was saying Torres is better because he does well on a worse team than Eto'o. For the most part, players play on better teams than others because they are better players. It is not an exact science but the whole point shouldn't really come into the argument. The fact that Eto'o plays for Barca and Athletico struggled to get a great deal of money off anybody apart from Liverpool shows that Torres wasn't that highly thought of before this season.
I actually think that Eto'o and Torres are both well rounded strikers, Eto'o is more well rounded for me though. He has proved it in the champions league final as well when he drifted out wide against Arsenal and made the difference. He has great pace, awesome movement, two feet, he's a finisher, decent in the air, strong...the list goes on. He has the experience over Torres right now. Maybe Torres will prove to be the best in the world but as it stands, Eto'o is still the best.
Form is temporary, class is permanent
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Ok, with regards to the whole "better club" debate, I merely said that to highlight the flaw of Adi's argument. He was saying Torres is better because he does well on a worse team than Eto'o. For the most part, players play on better teams than others because they are better players. It is not an exact science but the whole point shouldn't really come into the argument. The fact that Eto'o plays for Barca and Athletico struggled to get a great deal of money off anybody apart from Liverpool shows that Torres wasn't that highly thought of before this season.
You misunderstood me. I don't think Barcelona is necessarily the better team right now. All I was saying is that the playmakers in Barcelona are better at setting up their strikers than those at Liverpool. I think Eto'o gets better passes and through balls than Torres does, hence making it easier for him to finish. Gerrard and Alonso are great midfielder but I'd rather have an in-form Ronaldinho, Deco, and Xavi setting me up. That's all I was hinting at.
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I don't care what poet you know, you still can't spell mate. You also don't seem to know very much about football. I saw your post on "soccer strategy." A diamond in defense? What on earth are you talking about? You should go and read my response to your garbage post, I hammer you.
When were we comparing Riquelme and Beckham in 2006? You didn't give a specific year, eggbert. I don't care what year it was anyway, Beckham would always get my vote. He has had a far more illustrious career than Riquelme.
So apparently I have no football knowledge because I think Eto'o is better than Torres. What a terrible statement. I say that you know nothing as you talk about playing a diamond in defense formation with a center back, 2 full backs and a player in front of them. I really, really hope that you mean 3 center backs, because if you don't then I'm worried you are taking the piss by calling that the best formation in the world.
in 2006 Beckham was on Real Madrid, a better club than Riquelme was on, so the comparison applies then. And you can't honestly say that Beckham was better than Riquelme in 2006. I'm not saying you have no football knowledge...that was a backhanded attempt to bring the fact that Torres is a better all around player than Eto'o to tour attentions. Total Football is all about all around players, even at striker. Also, even though you piss me off, I'm loving this debate, so lets keep it up.
Form is temporary, class is permanent
great statement.
but you just proved my point: Torres is in form right now, and Eto'o is not playing as well as he could. That means that at this very moment, Torres is better. Overall, career-wise, there is no qustion of who is better at this point: Eto'o.
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Adi, I understand you a little more now but I don't think it's fair to bring that into the argument. Xavi, Iniesta, Ronny etc. are cultured players that can slip a pass beautifully but remember Gerrard sets up opportunities just as well with the way he runs at defenders and with his delivery. Crouch wins numerous flick ons and Alonso and Maschareno are both very astute passers of the ball. Whats also important to note is that Liverpool have less selfish players than Barca, thus meaning Torres sees more of the ball. It's a fair point but Eto'o is at Barca for his own reason and Torres is at Liverpool for another so I don't think that comes into it.
Totalfootball, I think we have slightly different criteria in our own heads of what makes up the best striker in the world. I need to see Torres do it at Champions League level for another season, and in the Premiership before I can start calling him the best in the world. I just think naming him that is far too premature.
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the thing is, torres has proved himself. Note WC 2006. He scored a ridiculous amount of goals for the number of games he played.
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Hang on though, he scored against two fairly nondescript sides in the group stages if my memory serves me right. He didn't score against France in the knockout stages did he? Fair enough he is scoring at the world cup, but did he make a lasting impression? I don't think so.
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yeah but the fact that he scored a good amount of goals in few games (he definitely scored more than 2...he was leading the WC in goals until Spain got eliminated) is impressive. I was hoping that you wouldn't bring up him getting shut down by France, but the fact is that he was young and he didn't release the ball quite early enough so he got driven into corners. Mind you, all the Brazilian players did significantly worse, so...
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Sorry, he got 3 in total but they were not against tough opposition. I am very interested to see what he does at the European Championships, it could change the way I look at the player, but it could also reaffirm my belief that he isn't the greatest striker in the world yet. He could take a huge step towards this, this summer though, we'll see.
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and so we shall. I have a sneaking suspician that I will be proved right, though.
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If he turns it on this summer then I'll hold my hands up, maybe he can be called the worlds best, but we shall see
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I'm surprised nobody really backed Drogba, Ruud, Zlatan, Adebayor, etc in this discussion. To be honest, I don't think anyone is the clear best striker at the moment. There are tons of good ones but nobody has really done anything to clearly set himself apart from the rest.
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this is true, adi. But I happen to think that at this very moment Torres is the best.
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You make a good point Adi, Adebayor matched Torres for goals in the Prem if I am not mistaken. Zlatan came up big on the last day for Inter, Raul had a great season. Ruud will always score goals as he has proved time and time again.
In the best striker in the world though you are looking for a player that has attributes other than sheer goal scoring. Zlatan is the most gifted without question, such a shame he plays for a rather average country and that Inter fair so badly in the Champions League. At the same time, I would love to see him take Inter further in that tournament, really drag that team to the last four.
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yeah ruud has been producing for years and years, but he is more of an inside-the-18-only kind of player. Raul has been coming on strong, but hes not quite what he used to be.
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as Adi said... Adebayor is one of the best strikers,ruud is also great!!!
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haha as soon as i say this i started laughing. well done nutsy. liverpool depended so much on torres for goals like arsenal did for adebayor. the strike partnership of delpiero and trezuget was the clear best this year. eto'o had less oportunities and other people sharing the goal scoring load which under achieved to say the least. ruud is a poacher and actually socred a nice goal outside the box this year. raul is fading for me. and ddint get called to the national team....
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has to be dong le gook from borugh (not)
probably torres
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Francesco Totti - the Injuries = Best Striker in the world
simple
SIMPLE
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Henry is the best striker in the world...This guy is the top scorer and provider for us in the league and the Champions League. We should only praise him