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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Adi on Jan 24, 2013, 03:41: AM
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Who is the most legendary freestyler?
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For me, it's Palle. He was the man when freestyle starting growing (early 2000s) and he's still big time.
Touzani is also epic for making the break-through freestyle video.
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Mr. Woo, he was the 1st freestyler to really make it big both performing and with internet videos. For a very long time, he was the standard of what a good football tricks or freestyler was for the casual fan. His name is still fairly well known outside the freestyle community which is not true for many of the other guys mentioned in this list.
I want to remind some of you this isn't a, "Who is the best or your favorite freestyler?" poll. This is for the freestyler that has attained the most legendary status.
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I want to remind some of you this isn't a, "Who is the best or your favorite freestyler?" poll. This is for the freestyler that has attained the most legendary status.
Exactly.
I think some of the newer/younger freestylers might not be able to accurately answer this since to them Andrew Henderson and Ethan are probably the most legendary. Yes, they are great freestylers, but this is for the legendary freestylers. Just as in football, Ronaldo is not legendary right now but he will be in 5-10 years once he's gone.
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palle, also for me...he and touzani almost invented the newschool freestyle as we know it :bowdown: :bowdown:
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This sport has been a lot of legends. I voted on Skóra. Paweł is one of the best players in the world. His style and incredible precision, accuracy is amazing. In my country, Poland, was one of the first people who started the sport. Certainly, he contributed to the large spread freestyle around the world. Master!
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Skora will win the poll, because he has the most loyal fanbase. The thing is, I find him among the least legendary listed on this. Within the community maybe, but outside the community, almost no one knows him. Most footballers I know either know the name or have seen some video of Mr. Woo, Touzani, Abdullah, Palle, and Tsatsulow. There are some that know Sean, but that's because the media coverage after he won RBSS. The combined legendary status of the freestylers I mentioned within and outside the community makes them much bigger legends to me. We must think of what a legend is. A legend isn't the great unknown person. It's the one that everyone has heard of and can have some memories. Seriously, if you like football you've seen Touzani's famous video and Tsatsulows famous video at least. Mr. Woo's Rangers performance and many of Abdullah's street performances are also the stuff of legend among football fans. If anything, I'd say Abdullah could arguably hold the most legendary status. So many people that have lived in or visited Amsterdam must have some memory of him. They may not know his name, but they all know who he is. That is what makes a legend. Mr. Woo has the NIKE stickman commercials with Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho asked for his autograph, and many people know this. To non freestylers, that's fuckin huge.
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Of course, but any friend of mine or people I talk to, most of them are not familiar with the freestyle. Often I start a conversation with them about freestyle, even by accident, because they know that this interested. When I ask about Skóra, it tells everyone that it's a champion, an amazing man. Here, just as you mentioned, you have to consider for those players who are legends.
Frankly, it's likely that such Touzani is more a legend, in the end he is one of the pioneers of the sport. His first films are amazing and climate.
Just I thought FOR ME the main character is Skóra.
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Of course, but any friend of mine or people I talk to, most of them are not familiar with the freestyle. Often I start a conversation with them about freestyle, even by accident, because they know that this interested. When I ask about Skóra, it tells everyone that it's a champion, an amazing man. Here, just as you mentioned, you have to consider for those players who are legends.
Frankly, it's likely that such Touzani is more a legend, in the end he is one of the pioneers of the sport. His first films are amazing and climate.
Just I thought FOR ME the main character is Skóra.
I could see that being the case in Poland. He's easily the most legendary Polish freestyler. Most of my French friends are more familiar with Sean than the ones I mentioned. I'd say almost everyone in Korea knows Mr. Woo.
Many people get pissed when this mentioned, but Billy Wingrove and Jeremy Lynch are definitely of legendary status. Just far too many people saw a video of them first or have seen them through some media outlet.
The point Adi made about how Ronaldo isn't viewed as a legend yet, because he is still active and in the spotlight would definitely go in favor of my opinion of Skora. I rank him among the current freestyle crop much more. Skora's a fabulous freestyler, but I can't consider him much more legendary than some of the other top current guys.
In a few years, Indi will be one of the biggest legends in freestyle. She's already by far the most famous freestyler in North America, and she's probably among the most famous in the world.
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I agree with you. The case legend depends on the feelings of a person. The person who saw the first one, surprised him with his game will definitely be the most important.
As I mentioned earlier, for me, a legend is Skóra - this is due to my personal feelings. I realize that there are people far more worthy to be called a legend. Certainly Palle or Touzani more influenced the development of the sport, brought something new and amazing.
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You locale matters when answering this question. Skora is surely much more of a legend around his neck of the woods than in the US for example. I think language plays a big part in this as well. Guys like Palle and Sean speak English well which means they can connect with the international audience much easier than someone like Skora for example. Yes, he speaks some English but it's not as easy or natural for him as it is for some others like Nam.
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Abdullah... hes a pure entertainer still the guy is seen in amsterdam streets performing... probably the MOST LEGENDARY for me
he revolutionized freestyle especially sits those 360s, sole juggling by far has the BEST sole juggling style on Earth he calls him skywalk :D and made fs a thing to make people happy and entertain them. :bowdown: ABDULLAH FOR LIFE :)
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lol, we are talking about freestylers... I don't care what the outside community thinks about the fsers on the list.
Palle is the most legendary fser on the list. He revolutionized fs. He changed it from being just another hobby or just another way of entertaining people who enjoy football. He made fs moves actually fs moves, not just "football tricks" as Mr. Woo did.
For me, the top 3 on this list would be Palle, Touzani, and then Mr. Woo.
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:iagree: u really said it right, completely agree!
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No way Mr. Woo is more legendary than Palle.
I, on the other hand, understand people mentioning Skora, because he pushed the limits so far that its hard even for people like Akim to create new moves and do something that hasnt been done before (when we talk about lowers), but then legendary freestylers in other areas like uppers and sits should also be mentioned.
I dislike Mr. Woo, I hate his blonde hair haha and I hate some of his decisions when he was a judge in RBSS. I admit he had a great significance in freestyle history, but to me it looks like he has almost no impact on what freestyle is today.
But Im not biased when I say Palle is the unquestionable winner here. I can imagine people forgetting Mr. Woo in 2150, but if you think about it, there is practically no way Palle could be forgotten/his name could be deleted from freestyle history, unless freestyle as we know it disappeared completely.
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Now when I see Touzani in the poll, I dont even know why I chose Palle over him lol. Although I still believe Palle is the most legendary freestyler. When people will ask "who was the first one (who was really the first one) to do LATW, AATW, PATW, first Beck move, JATW, HMATW, AHMATW, AHTATW, first real no touch combo... You know what the answer is gonna be.
And even though Touzani has some videos with the best footballers at that time (Ronaldinho) and has a big name in street style/freestyle unrelated community, he hasnt had such an impact on fs development imo (I heard he actually wasnt the first one to do TATW), so Palle is the winner for me <3
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lol, we are talking about freestylers... I don't care what the outside community thinks about the fsers on the list.
Palle is the most legendary fser on the list. He revolutionized fs. He changed it from being just another hobby or just another way of entertaining people who enjoy football. He made fs moves actually fs moves, not just "football tricks" as Mr. Woo did.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Mr.Woo probably held freestyle back with his football tricks. I'm sure if non freestylers knew about Palle from the beginning there would be a lot less 'can you do that on a pitch' comments.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Mr.Woo probably held freestyle back with his football tricks. I'm sure if non freestylers knew about Palle from the beginning there would be a lot less 'can you do that on a pitch' comments.
Wow, this is a ridiculous statement. He held freestyle back.
How exactly would knowing about Palle reduce that? Mr. Woo played professional football. That is irrelevant to his freestyle legacy, but I'm not sure why someone in his early days being mainly lowers based would caused people to say "can you do it on the pitch?" less. If anything, Mr. Woo's style is the most directly translated to football. Whether you like it or not, he was the first big time freestyler, and he was also the first great freestyle performer. His freestyle performances were top class. No one can argue with that. I don't like every style of freestyle, but I'm not going to be ignorant about it like that.
Outside the community matters for legendary status just like it would for any sport. Non-football fans here in the US know who Lionel Mess is. If that's not increasing his legendary status, I'm not sure what will. This entire separating freestyle world from the real world is silly. We all live in the real world, and we all freestyle. I don't see why we need to separate.
Onas- In no particular order, I'd have my top 4 Mr. Woo, Abdullah, Touzani, and Palle. Mr. Woo and Abdullah were the oldschool pioneers that paved the way for freestyle to exist and be popular. Without them, I strongly doubt freestyle would be where it is today. Both of them were extremely creative, and I'd say they may have invented more tricks than any other freestylers. That may mainly be from them being two of the first freestylers. Whether you like the tricks is irrelevant. It's still extremely impressive. I actually disagreed with many of the selections by Mr. Woo in RBSS. I disagreed with all the judges with exception of Palle on his criteria during RBSS. On Mr. Woo's impact on freestyle today, do many freestylers still use many of his tricks(sole juggles, heel juggles, shin juggles, etc.)? He invented several tricks still used today. Whether the modern freestylers realize they are using his trick is irrelevant just like it's irrelevant when you use a dribbling move on the football pitch whether you realize who did the move first. He still has a huge impact on the modern game.
Palle and Touzani were two of the pioneers on the more modern style of freestyle. Now, it's arguable that their more recent influences are stronger to most freestylers. I can see that point. I'd understand you choosing them over Mr. Woo or Abdullah. Anyways, we are all biased to a point. I know I am to a point, but I try to give a fair opinion.
5th place for me must go to Tsatsulow for that one video. I remember everyone I knew football or freestyle knew this video. It was huge. For a very long time, most people seemed to think he was the best freestyler in the world.
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:iagree:
The comment by L_I_S about Mr. Woo just wasn't right.
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Jason:
Now to be honest, Ive never been a fan of him, so I dont know all the moves he invented. But ok, I would agree with your top 4 list and also agree that Tatsulow is also one of the most legendary freestylers. Without seeing his video, I wouldnt probably even start freestyle. Would love to meet him in the future.
I disagree on the irrevelance of people knowing who invented which trick/which type of juggling. If Mr. Woo invented 50% of all freestyle moves yet nobody would know who Mr. Woo is, do you think he still should be considered a legend?
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Jason:
Now to be honest, Ive never been a fan of him, so I dont know all the moves he invented. But ok, I would agree with your top 4 list and also agree that Tatsulow is also one of the most legendary freestylers. Without seeing his video, I wouldnt probably even start freestyle. Would love to meet him in the future.
I disagree on the irrevelance of people knowing who invented which trick/which type of juggling. If Mr. Woo invented 50% of all freestyle moves yet nobody would know who Mr. Woo is, do you think he still should be considered a legend?
Cuz the person they saw doing it got it from Mr. Woo. Mr. Woo probably invented more tricks than any other freestyler. It is largely because he was one of the first freestylers, but still, it's impressive. The fact that many people are still doing the moves that he invented shows how large his influence on freestyle still is.
You don't have to like his style. You are entitled to your own opinion just like I am to my opinion.
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Palle for sure
outside of the fs community lots of people know john farnworth and sean and touzani
but more importantly in the community, palle touzani abdullah have been the most legendary (without abdullah, where would sd's be!)
i don't mr woo has made more moves than any other fser lol :cheesy:
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Palle for sure
outside of the fs community lots of people know john farnworth and sean and touzani
but more importantly in the community, palle touzani abdullah have been the most legendary (without abdullah, where would sd's be!)
i don't mr woo has made more moves than any other fser lol :cheesy:
What freestyler has invented more? Most freestylers haven't invented any. Mr. Woo was the first to do many different tricks. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
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Wow, this is a ridiculous statement. He held freestyle back.
How exactly would knowing about Palle reduce that? Mr. Woo played professional football. That is irrelevant to his freestyle legacy, but I'm not sure why someone in his early days being mainly lowers based would caused people to say "can you do it on the pitch?" less. If anything, Mr. Woo's style is the most directly translated to football. Whether you like it or not, he was the first big time freestyler, and he was also the first great freestyle performer. His freestyle performances were top class. No one can argue with that. I don't like every style of freestyle, but I'm not going to be ignorant about it like that.
Outside the community matters for legendary status just like it would for any sport. Non-football fans here in the US know who Lionel Mess is. If that's not increasing his legendary status, I'm not sure what will. This entire separating freestyle world from the real world is silly. We all live in the real world, and we all freestyle. I don't see why we need to separate.
By holding freestyle back in a sense that there was no distinction between football tricks and football freestyle moves.
I watched a probably 3-5 Mr.Woo videos before I even tried freestyling and watched them again after I could freestyle, in all clips it just seemed like he was juggling, which I didn't find impressive then, nor when I was a beginner. The best thing I can recall was the air sitting juggles which required a lot of strength and very little freestyle ability.
Maybe I've missed some of his crazy freestyle videos. I've seen him in motg, freestyling at a train station(I think it was a station), on a field(I can't remember the rest). All times he was just juggling, over his head, with the side of his feet etc. He was very consistent but I knew two guys that could do the majority of the juggles just not all together in a show sense or as consistent.
I highlighted my main point.
A legend to people who are not freestylers is separate from the legend of freestylers. They will never fully understand what certain freestylers have done for freestyle. I'd also like to point out that being well known is not the same as being a legend. Making freestyle well known also shouldn't come into play.
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By holding freestyle back in a sense that there was no distinction between football tricks and football freestyle moves.
I watched a probably 3-5 Mr.Woo videos before I even tried freestyling and watched them again after I could freestyle, in all clips it just seemed like he was juggling, which I didn't find impressive then, nor when I was a beginner. The best thing I can recall was the air sitting juggles which required a lot of strength and very little freestyle ability.
Maybe I've missed some of his crazy freestyle videos. I've seen him in motg, freestyling at a train station(I think it was a station), on a field(I can't remember the rest). All times he was just juggling, over his head, with the side of his feet etc. He was very consistent but I knew two guys that could do the majority of the juggles just not all together in a show sense or as consistent.
I highlighted my main point.
A legend to people who are not freestylers is separate from the legend of freestylers. They will never fully understand what certain freestylers have done for freestyle. I'd also like to point out that being well known is not the same as being a legend. Making freestyle well known also shouldn't come into play.
There is no distinction between football juggling and freestyle. If you are doing freestyle football, you are football juggling. If you are football juggling without restrictions, you are freestyling. Making a distinction is just silly.f
I've said it before, you don't have to like his style, but you do need to recognize the importance he had on freestyle. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so you don't have to like him. I don't like many freestylers.
Touch and control are the two main things in his style. Yes, if you aren't as interested in that, it can get boring. The thing is, it does matter. I hate it when people just say I don't care how good his touch and control are. He has the best touch and control I've ever seen on a football. I've never seen anyone control the ball as well as he.
Mr. Woo was about performances. It's not really a fair comparison with many freestylers, because he didn't make these edited videos where he did the hardest thing possible. He made the best routines possible that he could be consistent. He still did several amazing things.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPqb-4FQnC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPqb-4FQnC4#)
For me, this is still among the best freestyle LPs of all time. Very few freestylers can make better routines. You may not like the style, but the skill involved is masterful.
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Tell me what is more legendary than creating sits - Abdellah!
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If any of you jabronies can move like Mr. Woo at 50, I'll buy you a beer.
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If any of you jabronies can move like Mr. Woo at 50, I'll buy you a beer.
When i'm 50 i'll be busy fucking my milf wife and won't have the time to do Mr. Woo juggles
or dead :suicide:
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When i'm 50 i'll be busy fucking my milf wife and won't have the time to do Mr. Woo juggles
or dead :suicide:
At 50, you won't be able to pop a boner.
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At 50, you won't be able to pop a boner.
Viagra dude. They say seniors spread more venereal diseases than almost any other age group now thanks to drugs like it. They'll be even better when he's 50. I think the better come back would be his wife will most likely be 50 and no longer a milf.
Anyways, Mr. Woo and Abdullah are legends from another generation. It's normal for current freestylers to prefer the ones they grew up watching and not the older ones. It's just like music. Most people listen to the music they grew up with. I am sure I'm the only one on here that most of my favorite bands are over 30yrs old.
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For me its Sean, when he does that pen trick, this like others sport is about viewers and that turns on a lot of people. Also Palle, Touzani and Skora. Those are gods of freestyle, also my favourite ones :P
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For me its Sean, when he does that pen trick, this like others sport is about viewers and that turns on a lot of people. Also Palle, Touzani and Skora. Those are gods of freestyle, also my favourite ones :P
you are so innocent :13: :13:
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you are so innocent :13: :13:
Ahaha..with time we may see is opinion change.
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Ahaha..with time we may see is opinion change.
haha yea for sure... :iagree:
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Palle or 2zani for sure.
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Jason could you name all the tricks Mr. Woo has invented? I'm actually curious to see.
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Jason could you name all the tricks Mr. Woo has invented? I'm actually curious to see.
Excluding juggling variations of course.
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Adi, you misspelled Tatsulow ;)
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Adi, you misspelled Tatsulow ;)
Fixed. :grin: