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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: vittoleon on Oct 08, 2012, 05:42: AM
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Does anyone (of the older guys) play. If so where? stakes?
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I am young and I used to play on PokerStars :celebrate:
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Reported, money gone :p
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i know some people who did play online, just with the money they received at the start.
Basically it's a rip off, they give everybody better cards than you'd normally get statistically, so everbody keeps raising, and then they take a small percentage of the pot...
a guy told me in all the time he was playing, he had 2 aces for 12 times, and didn't win a single time... bad luck maybe, but more likely a rip off.
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If there's 8 players in the hand and he has pocket aces pre flop and doesn't get rid of some of the players, he's likely to lose.
Especially since it would be highly unlikely to hit another ace since the players that are in the hand will probably have them in theirs. It also depends on the board. If it shows Q Q K, he should fold. Very likely that someone is holding a queen. He probably can't play very well. But 12 times and losing every single time doesn't sound plausible statistically, even against 4 other people in every hand. So he's lying or the site is a scam.
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If there's 8 players in the hand and he has pocket aces pre flop and doesn't get rid of some of the players, he's likely to lose.
Especially since it would be highly unlikely to hit another ace since the players that are in the hand will probably have them in theirs. It also depends on the board. If it shows Q Q K, he should fold. Very likely that someone is holding a queen. He probably can't play very well. But 12 times and losing every single time doesn't sound plausible statistically, even against 4 other people in every hand. So he's lying or the site is a scam.
i don't think he played very bad, because with the $50 he recieved when starting he made $1'500, which he then lost again afterwards...
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He ran hot and crashed. Only bad players claim sites to be rigged. And losing 12 aces in a row is statisticly impossible
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He ran hot and crashed. Only bad players claim sites to be rigged. And losing 12 aces in a row is statisticly impossible
You contradict yourself right there.
What I'm saying is that if you're running a poker site and you want the people betting a lot of money, just give them good cards.
I just wanted to give you advise, if you don't take it, fine.
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And you think they dont monitor these sites? :p That a site as Pokerstars with millions of users can just do whatever they want? haha. Big sites arent rigged, people on them play bad and blame that to avoid seeing that they are losing players.
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You contradict yourself right there.
What I'm saying is that if you're running a poker site and you want the people betting a lot of money, just give them good cards.
I just wanted to give you advise, if you don't take it, fine.
It's only a contradiction if it's true. Which he clearly doesn't believe.
Also good cards doesn't always mean you're going to win. K, J against 5 players in the pot is a hand you fold. A, K is a hand to be careful with. "Oh I have the top 2 cards, time to go all in"..Poker doesn't work like that. So even if you're being given good hands, you should still play cautiously.
Anyway, online poker is shit. Play it in person, that's the best poker you can play.
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Online poker is probably the biggest scam in history, I have played for three years live and online, wont get into detail but the hands are stastically impossible, they use bots, rig the decks to keep losing players in and prevent you from making a huge profit. Sure you win some but you lose more, whats even worse is that they pay the pros to hush it all up and advertise their bullshit.
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Hahaha, more conspiracy theorists. Ive played close to 2 mil hands online. Its not rigged, and if it is(its not) its not rigged that badly that you will lose because of it. Winning players will win, losing players will lose.
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2 million hands...right, On which site Pokerstars, full tilt (owned by pokerstars)? Have you made a profit? Have you played live? Have you analyzed hand statistics and odds? Do you know how online poker works? How they make money?
I have played online poker for 3 years and let me give you some strong advice, stick to casinos!
It is of course not rigged to an obvious extent or else no one would play!
A. First off they create action play. They deal out suited connectors, pairs, and clutch aces – who ever remains to see the flop, engineer the flop to make it near impossible for either of the players to get away from the hand, i.e., two pairs vs. bottom card trips. This generates larger rakes in cash games and ends players tournaments quicker so that they can quickly reload and enter a new table/tournament. Why do you think tournaments end in a flash, they make so much more money with the rebuys and making new tournaments while also preventing their RNG from crashing
B. for bots. do you really think everyone is an actual human player in an online poker room? If so you are the biggest idiot out there. It would be so naive to think so! When a site first starts off, the majority of ‘players’ are in fact bots – as more subscriptions/members join the number of bots tapers off to roughly 1 / 20 users or 5% of the community. Bots play a huge roll in generating revenue. They account for over 50% of the tournaments prize pools winnings (which goes directly back to the website)!!
C. Sophisticated dealing algorithms(lol)
there is no such thing as a dealing algorithm! The shuffle function is random in that it assigns the cards to random players, but the ‘hands’ that are made are predetermined, engineered solely to generate revenue. So it’s easy for the site to claim a sophisticated RNG when in reality the only real randomness is the sucker that’s going to be chosen at the table as their next victim – getting them booted out of a tournament very quickly and getting them to chew further into their bankroll. The challenge of writing this program was to provide this ‘rigged’ functionality without it getting noticed! And it is working obviously for the 95% of donkey retards who have no knowledge of poker or common sense on these sites.
Online poker is 100% rigged, sorry to burst your bubble man..
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Used to play a lot around 2004-2006 online. I still plan in person sometimes but not as much anymore. Used to be addicted back in the day but was able to step away without too much trouble. Still love to play when I go to Vegas and with friends.
Entered an online tournament for $5-10 one time and played against 750 people. Won the whole thing! Made $750 or something from it. What an achievement! :grin:
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I hope you quit right after things started to go downhill or made a new account, they give you the win streak getting you hooked then turn things around very quickly.
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Oh no pls dont burst my bubble. Now all the money I consistently made over the last 3 years doesnt mean anything because its cheated LOL. Seriously tho, you believe in ufo's and that the government staged 9/11 right? A billion dollar company as pokerstars wont ever risk all that to make no profit by cheating hands. Why do you think ending a tournament faster will earn them more money? They already have the servers to run the tournament, the regs will play any tournament that comes up anyway and fishes either bust fast enough so they dont have to get lucked out or they actually win money which is great news for the site since its more money that will move around in cash/bigger tournaments for the regulars to pick up. Sites also dont make more money from big all-in pots. They make money from fishes slowly bleeding their money away.
As I said before, consistent winning players will never talk about big sites being rigged since they have the brain and perspective to realise that if you play 10k hands a day weird shit wll happen, thats not cheating thats RNG. Losing players however who got lucky, won some money then lost it to better players will blame RNG because they think they won because of skill and lost because of bad luck.
And just so you know. Big companies actually have all their software checked and rated once a year or more so guarantee Legitimate software. You can also just ask for ALL their info about ALL their dealed hands to check for inconsistent dealing. Gues what, there isnt any...
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First off you havent answered any of my questions.
I am undecided on 9/11 although for sure they blew up building 7, anyway irelevant
It is foolish and ignorant to think we are the only life out there , I am not saying I believe in those boggus photos/videos (UFOs)
There are a lot of shallow reasons given as to why on-line poker couldn't possibly be rigged. Your two seem to be:
It wouldn't be worthwhile for any site to manipulate the outcomes - This is totally false. All sites have enormous financial incentive to equalise the field of players which has the effect of increasing rake and extending the life-span of the lesser skilled players. the second reason is that you see far more hands than you would in live play. This is true but the ratio of good hands holding up should remain the same regardless of the number played or seen in a given time. The stats should still add up regardless of numbers.
Proving that outcomes are manipulated is almost impossible because the manipulation is part of the poker software design and is approved by the overseeing bodies who 'regulate' the poker rooms. I'll try to explain how this comes about
Most people believe that the RNG is infallible and produces random cards in a split second from 80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,404,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible combinations. As I understand it this isn't possible because even a 128-bit system(most sites run a 64 bit system) which can handle 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,770,000,000 combinations is still only capable of handling .0000000000001% of all possible deck sequences. A software code has to included to compensate for the shortfall. The problem with this scenario is that skilled players would dominate the game (this was the case in the early days of on-line poker) because the RNG cannot produce sufficient hands. To overcome this shortfall the second generation of RNG's used a constant shuffle technique which did not predetermine the deck. This soon became undesirable as the outcome was less than equitable since one person could theoretically win pot after pot regardless of their starting hands. One site that used this was pokerroom.com (now closed). This technique also did not produce enough random hands and was considered unfair to all players. The present generation software used in online poker today has far more sophistication in seeding the random number using white noise generators to produce a larger variety of hands and it has a mathmatical function known as 'Equitable Distribution' added. This new technique was brought in order to produce fair outcomes for all players. Multiple subroutines and sub-programs are written into the online poker software in an attempt to produce a ‘fair’ game within the limitations of the RNG's ability.
This all a bit difficult to get one's head round I know, but as I understand it, all players are given a fair game based on predetermined outcomes from a pseudo-random RNG. That doesn't mean it's random and depending on your interpretation of the word fair, it doesn't necessarily mean it's 'fair' .... just 'fair to all.'
And 'fair to all' makes very good business sense to a poker room by extending the playing life of the lesser skilled players, maximising the circulation of monies and thereby increasing the rake.
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You might as well play my poker over the phone game. You call me up and I tell your hand is then ill tell you the flop, river and turn. Then ill promise its "regulated" by my girlfriend. Ill get Brad Pitt and Phil Ivey to play!