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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Onas on Aug 25, 2012, 08:38: PM
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Did anybody record the futsal match between Sean, Soufiane, Leamssi and the others AND Slavia futsal team? :17:
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Yeah, i would also like to see footage from the event!
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I think alot of people filmed, but I honestly think the clips I've seen already are the only ones we'll see. Slavia won 3-1, and I guess they were on the ball the majority of the time. I know Leamssi scored for the freestylers, and I think it was Soufiane that got a panna. I just think those were the only major highlights for the freestylers team. I doubt anyone is going to upload Slavia's highlights.
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I think alot of people filmed, but I honestly think the clips I've seen already are the only ones we'll see. Slavia won 3-1, and I guess they were on the ball the majority of the time. I know Leamssi scored for the freestylers, and I think it was Soufiane that got a panna. I just think those were the only major highlights for the freestylers team. I doubt anyone is going to upload Slavia's highlights.
Nah man, its true Slavia won, but if you were watching the match, you could tell which team was actually the better one. I was there and I wouldnt want anybody to upload the match on the net if Sean, Bencok, Leamssi and others were slaughtered by Slavia players ;) And Im pretty sure Leamssis goal was like the goal of the match <3
You will see... hopefully!
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The freestylers might have made a few exciting plays, but if you're trying to tell me they were better, but still lost 3-1 that's silly. I know Sean, Soufiane, Leamssi, some of the other players have skills, but it's a game about scoring goals, not pannas and tricks. I've seen the goal and Soufiane's panna, but I don't know where the videos are. They were decent.
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Jason,
No, they( freestylers) had the ball the majority of the time. The slavia team just got about 4-5 chances of scoring, and they scored 3 out of the 4-5 times. The freestylers didnt care about scoring, if they did, they had about 20 chances of scoring, but they will go back and try to panna someone when they got close. who cares about the game when about most of the audience were freestylers, they dont care about the game, they care about watching panna's.
for a footballer, of course slavia did good one scoring those oppourtunities but who cares for us freestylers, we wanted to see pannas, and we did
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If that's actually what happened,(I still highly doubt) it's a mockery to the sport of futsal. Intentionally allowing an inferior team to beat you to pull tricks for amusement or video is a disgrace which I do not think any of the players on the freestyler's team would do that. I at least hope not for I could never respect anyone that plays like that. All the street teams do tricks, but they must win. If MOTG or Monta Street Legends lose, it doesn't matter if they pulled off some nice pannas. They are thought of as being inferior.
The fact is Slavia is supposed to be a professional futsal team that trains on a regular basis. They should win, so it's not a shame that the freestylers lost. I know everyone wanted to see tricks and pannas. There is a time and a place for it, but it's never the point of the game.
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It was a friendly show match! How could it ever be a disgrace to futsal?
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Playing with no interest in winning makes it a disgrace. Just the fact that you disagree with me shows your lack of respect for real futsal/football. All matches featuring the "street" teams are friendlies. Does this mean it's ok for them to lose all of the matches, but have a few tricks or pannas for their vidoes? If that's ok with you, you don't belong in real futsal/football.
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I have to agree (at least partly) with Jason there. If it's panna ko, it's ok not to score and try a panna instead when you ahead, because it could let you win it instantaniously and the opponent has to get the ball in order to keep up.
but in a futsal match if your only goal is to get a nice panna, and you even loose the ball just because your trying pannas all the time or your down 1-3 and move the ball from the left foot to the right foot 10 times with no intention to pass the opponent, and even do a panna not caring about it rolling out the sideline, you don't belong on a futsal pitch, simple as that.
and i'd feel offended being 3-1 up and other players trying to panna me, and especially if they celebratie when they manage.
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Partially true, however; this futsal game was a friendly, the slavia team is a proffessional futsal team for a reason, train reguarly, yet the freestylers, who just met a couple days before the game, did not train, yet have the ball the majority of the time, each player had a chance to score, the slavia team was there to score and win, the freestylers were there to enjoy have fun and do pannas, and im sure they would have loved to score and win too. the point is, the freestylers could have score to shut jason noblit up
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There is a huge difference Jason!
When you go out to play w/ just a couple of buddies, do you go all in and crush your opponents just for a win? Or do you have fun, play around, make some pannas and just chill out?
Because to be honest, I think the game type was the latter..
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Alex and Liicht, neither of you have ever or will ever play any legitimate form of football or futsal.
And to answer your question Liicht. The people I play football with take the game seriously, so yes, we go 100%. Now, if it's just a fun game, we might not slide tackle or do anything too crazy, but we enjoy the competition. If you try to panna, people will most likely get frustrated, because you could easily have just passed or dribbled more effectively. I still manage to do some good skills, but it's more direct and has purpose. It's never just to embarrass someone. Playing as a team is much more enjoyable to me. It's also more beautiful to watch or be a part of a great one or two touch passing sequence than one panna or trick.
Once again, I'm not saying they actually allowed Slavia to win. I'm saying Slavia was superior at futsal. The freestylers were obviously better at panna and tricks. Now, what I said is if they actually allowed Slavia to win when they were actually the better team, then they are pathetic. Also, it's very likely the freestylers had alot of possession, but they did nothing with it. Slavia players probably didn't care if they just danced in front of them, because they are defending the goal. What makes a team better is effective attacking and defending. Slavia showed this by winning 3-1. There's no arguing to that. That is just what happened.
Alex, you are funny. Your lack of knowledge of anything football/futsal is quite humorous. You probably shouldn't talk about it. Stick to freestyle.
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Your probably right, yet im sure in all my short 20years of age, I am sure I have played in a more advanced team when I was 15, than you will have ever played in. now I can not give a damn for football/futsal, hence; I am a 100% freestyler.
Go to soccer/football forums if you wanna have a good chat about a game. Im sure all fully 100% freestylers can care less about a match. So yeah, go lose some weight and grow some hair if possible. How can you go to a freestyle meeting, then claim your better than everyone at a game, haha. Go to a football meet, or try to go pro, if your that good,or knowledged of the sport called football.
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Yes, I'm sure your 15yr old team can beat the 2nd place team in the PASL. That's the Professional Arena Soccer League for your information. I've played professionally for 2yrs, but it wasn't supporting me financially. I could easily have continued with the team for many years to come.
The best part about this is how I can tell you are actually upset that I mentioned this. You have never played anything almost legitimate in your life, and yes, you will never in the future. You probably sucked when you were a kid. Alex, you have just made my day. Your stupidity is that of priceless proportion.
Also, I replied to a topic about a futsal match. Why do I have to go to a football/futsal forum to reply to a topic on a freestyle forum? Now, your stupidity has surprised me before, so I'm not surprised too much by it anymore. Why don't you learn to spell or write grammatically correct sentences. All these European guys that speak English as a second language have better grammar than you.
Have a good time with Futboleros. That alone is worth a laugh.
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Lol I did not know this was english class?
That is why I attend college for.
Never heard of those team before and that is for a reason.
Hey, that is supporting me financially.
Plus, im not even close to upset lol, I and im sure many others think of you as a joke.
Go practice your noblit stall ;)
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"I am sure I have played in a more advanced team when I was 15, than you will have ever played in." You've got to be kidding me. Alex, you are a complete idiot and you don't know shit about soccer. you barely know anything about freestyle yourself for christ sake. barely any one in the country of the U.S. know what the hell it is. and you haven't even achieved anything big in freestyle except being an ignorant douche. what makes you think you can talk like you are someone big? you ain't shit. how dare you say you say you don't give a damn about soccer. if soccer did not exist you wouldn't be the loser freestyler you are today. don't speak for 100% of freestylers, speak for your damn self. i don't even see freestylers even backing you up on this. what a funny attempt to get freestylers to back you up. how can YOU possibly go to freestyle meet being that stupid. oh and kudos on how you resorted to making fun of someone's appearance instead of actually coming back with something relevant. at least something relevant! he may not have much hair but he is surely a better freestyler and freestyle isn't what he does for a living and that is what you do. quite pitiful. you have been freestyling as long as me pretty much and your level is not even high. so i don't know who you think you are Alex.
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My smile just keeps getting wider. No, it's not an English class, but it does give a good example of your intelligence that you cannot say anything with moderately good grammar. Nice one! You ended your come back with a preposition!
I never mentioned a team name. I mentioned a league. The fact that you don't know of it just shows you know very little about American professional soccer. It's only the biggest professional indoor soccer league in the country.
You are the perfect example why some in the soccer/football community consider freestylers to be clowns. I don't like the generalization of freestylers being clowns, but some like you definitely are.
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Lol I did not know this was english class?
That is why I attend college for.
Never heard of those team before and that is for a reason.
Hey, that is supporting me financially.
Plus, im not even close to upset lol, I and im sure many others think of you as a joke.
Go practice your noblit stall ;)
a joke? when jason went to prague everyone loved jason. HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU?????????? YOU ARE THE JOKE. omg wake the fuck up!
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Farfan, im sure your backing.him.up hence that you know him.personally. However;
I dare not to.talk smack.to a good freestyler, that you were, or still are. I.nothing but good things to say about you. Damn even after reading you above comment I still would want to meet you personally to fs. People are different in person for sure, noblit is.just in your good side. With all said, respect to.you, but noblit go suck a nut.
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Farfan, I went to prague, I got the opposite of that.
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Farfan, im sure your backing.him.up hence that you know him.personally. However;
I dare not to.talk smack.to a good freestyler, that you were, or still are. I.nothing but good things to say about you. Damn even after reading you above comment I still would want to meet you personally to fs. People are different in person for sure, noblit is.just in your good side. With all said, respect to.you, but noblit go suck a nut.
this has nothing to do with noblit man
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Can. you. write. a . sentence. withou.t. putting . a million. periods? You . are. making. yours.elf look like an id.iot. but .pleas.e keep. going. . . .. . .. .
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Towards him, of course
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Im writing on my phone, I keep pressing space but the . Sometimes writes down
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So, I'm supposed to be upset that someone didn't like me or my freestyle? Well, I've got some bad news for ya. There are many people that don't think much of you or your freestyle. Why should either of us care what others think? Just do what you enjoy.
I went to Prague to have a good time and to meet people I actually wanted to meet. Pretty much everyone I talked to I got along with very well. In fact, I was being asked by people daily if I was coming again this year. I had a good time, and I met many freestylers that are great people. Many of which I still talk to on a regular basis.
I really don't care about people's opinions of me, because that's not what life is about. You obviously have devoted some hatred towards me taking shots at my hairline, but even that I could care less about. Have a nice day, you have been cute.
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Anytime jason, anytime:)
Cya soon!
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Jason, have you ever considered that because of you, talking about football 24/7 and acting like you're a pro at both fs and football (or how you guys call it, soccer) made this forum dead? I come back here often, thinking about starting to post so this forum gets a bit more active again, but all i see is you complaining about football. I'm pretty sure there are more people having the same thing as me.
Maybe if we changed BF from being a football forum back into a fs forum, it would get more active lol
Btw, the things you said about the fsers team being a 'disgrace' is pure bullshit, doesnt really make any sense at all :) Have a nice day, score some sick upper 90's
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Jason, have you ever considered that because of you, talking about football 24/7 and acting like you're a pro at both fs and football (or how you guys call it, soccer) made this forum dead? I come back here often, thinking about starting to post so this forum gets a bit more active again, but all i see is you complaining about football. I'm pretty sure there are more people having the same thing as me.
Maybe if we changed BF from being a football forum back into a fs forum, it would get more active lol
Btw, the things you said about the fsers team being a 'disgrace' is pure bullshit, doesnt really make any sense at all :) Have a nice day, score some sick upper 90's
this accusation is just ridiculous... now a footballer is to blame for the lack of activity :lol_hitting:
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But Knnth has a point.
It seems as if Jason is always very aggressive and offensive in his posts...
I still disagree with Jason though. I dont see how playing a show game is ever a disgrace... the audience wanted to see pannas and tricks and I guess thats what they got. The final result never mattered, did it?
And, this was a healthy discussion until you guys made it personal. Back to Knnths point - thats excactly what scares ppl away from BF.
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Jason, have you ever considered that because of you, talking about football 24/7 and acting like you're a pro at both fs and football (or how you guys call it, soccer) made this forum dead? I come back here often, thinking about starting to post so this forum gets a bit more active again, but all i see is you complaining about football. I'm pretty sure there are more people having the same thing as me.
Maybe if we changed BF from being a football forum back into a fs forum, it would get more active lol
Btw, the things you said about the fsers team being a 'disgrace' is pure bullshit, doesnt really make any sense at all :) Have a nice day, score some sick upper 90's
He is pro at both football and freestyle. there is no acting involved. why speak without actually knowing? that's stupidity. you know nothing about Jason apparently. I live in the city as he does. He makes good money off of freestyle and i know the pro teams he's played for. and coaches football camps of which he makes good money from. so he is not acting. i see these things happen with my own eyes. so shut up if you know nothing god damn.
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He is pro at both football and freestyle. there is no acting involved. why speak without actually knowing? that's stupidity. you know nothing about Jason apparently. I live in the city as he does. He makes good money off of freestyle and i know the pro teams he's played for. and coaches football camps of which he makes good money from. so he is not acting. i see these things happen with my own eyes. so shut up if you know nothing god damn.
I dont care?
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Knnth, one you never actually read what I wrote. Two, I have played professional football, and I am a professional freestyler. Why is it so hard to believe that someone is capable of doing both? The first professional freestyler, Mr. Woo, was a professional footballer first.
The Prague Futsal Game: I repeatedly said that the freestylers did not allow Slavia to win by just doing pannas and tricks. I said that Slavia was the better team, and that is why they won. It was other freestylers that believe the freestylers were better than Slavia, but just let them win. Anyone that has played football/futsal at a legitimate level would feel disgusted by this. There is a difference and not taking the game completely serious and allowing a team to win. The entire point of playing is to try to win. If you do not do this, then you are a disgrace. Once again, I'm saying they didn't do this. I'm saying Slavia was better than them.
It's funny how you dislike that I talk about football, and how I sometimes call it soccer. Well, a little bit of information for you. Soccer is the term most commonly used in the USA. Now, I use soccer and football interchangeably depending on whom I am speaking. Most Americans will not realize you are talking about football if you say football, so I must call it soccer. There is no point in battling this if you live here, because it will never change. We have another sport we call football. I'm not a fan of it myself, but most people here are. The word soccer is actually an English word as well. It is short for Association Football, and it first got started by people calling it "soccer football." If you are around the English enough, you will actually here them use the word soccer. It's obviously not used commonly, but they still use it.
Talking about football is ruining Beyond Football? We need to return this forum back to a freestyle forum? Well, this forum was never just a freestyle forum. It was at first a football forum. Freestyle was added to the forum, and it added a great number of users to BF. I actually preferred it when we had more people to talk about football as well, but now it is predominantly freestylers only. Adi is the only guy on here that is only football.
Also, why is it hard to believe someone might be good or like football and freestyle? For me, it only makes sense. It makes less sense how so many freestylers dislike football. To me it must come from jealousy or a bad experience in the past. There never has been and never will be a rule about having to choose one or the other, so there will always be people like me that like and do both.
Liicht- BF was probably even more dead before I started using it again. I'm actually not very aggressive in my posting, but I will give my honest opinion. Once users are scared to say what they think, then the site will be dead. Feel free to express your opinions as you please. I also wasn't the person that made this personal. Alex decided to start talking shit directly to me. I was posting about the topic, but I replied to Alex's posts. Need I remind you Liicht, that you were one of the people that started attacking me on my own post in our argument. I think you accusing me of being aggressive and offensive makes you a hypocrite. Why exactly do you feel it is so necessary to criticize me, but if I reply I'm evil.
I know you love the panna and tricks type of "streetsoccer." It's ok. There is nothing wrong with this, but you confuse someone being good at panna to someone good at futsal or football. They are different sports just like freestyle and football are different sports.
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'Professional freestyler', yeah you improved alot since a few years ago :D
The part of jealousy/ bad experience in the past is bullshit too. Ofcourse you can enjoy/play both, but you'll never (or at least in 99% of the cases, there are exceptions ofcourse and i respect those guys) be an excellent fser if you're playing football too. I like football too, i sometimes play it, but nothing serious. You cant do two sports serious at the same time, that makes sense, ask any pro of whatever sport about that. Thats why i've quit football.
It seems like you cant understand guys prefering fs over football?
Look man, i respect you for what you've accomplished in your football career, but dont call yourself a good/professional freestyler just because you get lp's.
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So, what I'm getting at from your last post is one of two things.
1. You don't know what a professional is. A professional is anyone that gets paid to do something. I've done 100s of professional freestyle gigs, so I easily qualify as a professional freestyler.
2. You don't think I have a high level in freestyle. Well, I could care less about your opinion. If my tricks are so easy, why can't you or many other freestylers do them? I'm not claiming to be better than the best freestylers in the world, but I think it's fair to say I've managed a level in my style of freestyle that should be respected.
It's nice to hear some fresh ignorance from some teenager. Congrats to you on that. :13: I also disagree that you can't be a great freestyler and play football too. Why not? I understand that it's difficult, because you must dedicate the time to freestyle that often gets taken up by football. I'd consider Mr. Woo to be a top freestyler. He was probably a much better footballer than me as well.
I do understand why some prefer freestyle to football. I do not understand why freestylers hate football. There's a big difference. Ecuabol definitely prefers freestyle to football. The main reason being he is a great freestyler, but he's not that good at football. He still likes football though, and he sometimes plays for fun.
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1)Oh sick, I'm a professional fser too :D For me nobody is a pro fser unless they have a high level, not in LP's, but skillwise.
2)I'm not intrested in learning tricks who dont even have any point in learning (for me). They arent fun to do for me, nor they really add something to my battles/lp's/whatever. I understand you do it because you like it, but its different for ppl.
Call it however you want, I dont really give a fuck about you or your level that should be respected. I also said it's not possible in 99% of the cases, i guess you only readed the parts i wrote which you like to react on and forget the others? I dont consider Mr. Woo being a top freestyler at all, his level isnt/wasnt high. If you classify him as top freestyler just because he gets/got a lot of lp's, Billy Wingrove should be a top fser too :D
I don't understand why they hate on it either, most of them are just following the group who tells them fsers need to hate on football i guess.
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So, I'd like to point out your hypocrisy again. You said you have no interest in learning my type of tricks, but you tell me my level is poor. The main reason is I don't have the tricks that you like. Maybe I don't like your type of tricks. You ever thought of that? I actually have won freestyle competitions as well. I won a freestyle competition in the US beating Ecuabol in the final. I personally don't care about competitions, but most freestylers do.
Mr. Woo is most definitely a high level freestyler. You just don't like his style. This is what needs to change in the community. People need to learn to respect other styles or ignore the stuff they do not like. This is what keeps the community from growing, because some people just get shot down immediately for not having the style people like to see.
I respect people like Liicht's love of groundmoves. I just don't think they translate to football or futsal anymore than anything in freestyle. I actually am a big fan of groundmoves. I respect your style of freestyle as well. There are videos that I don't like, but I normally just don't say anything. You don't have to like all styles of freestyle, but you should learn to at least show respect to the individuals doing it.
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I still dont get whats so wrong about giving pannas and making the game look good, lol
I would rather watch this then each team desperately struggling to score a goal and making the whole match look like a piece of shit.
I believe all people were satisfied in the end, Slavia players winning, freestylers giving more pannas and not giving a crap about the final score and audience MORE than satisfied :)
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Knnth, you obviously do care since i see you're still at it. do you know what the word PROFESSIONAL means? i honestly and genuinely think that you don't. it has nothing to do with skill in the first place. it means getting PAID for doing gigs and lp's. nobody is pro unless they have a high level? you are a moron and that doesn't even make sense. you are extremely stupid and you don't have a clue what freestyle is neither, by the way you talk. and why did you say you quit football? when did you start? you are one of the most ignorant people i have ever met. Jason is most definitely a pro freestyler. he has done LEGITIMATE gigs and I have done a few myself along with him! what, do you think he is lying? wtf is your problem? so far nothing you have said has made sense. and like jason said you don't even know the truth behind the word "soccer" for god's sake.
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Onas, your comment makes more sense than the rest of the rubbish on here. Now, there is nothing wrong with mixing skills into the game. I don't think the freestylers weren't trying to win, but that is how they play. The freestylers were always going to try pannas and tricks to help them win. The problem is that it's not as successful as more simple futsal. There is a time and a place for pannas and tricks. I love technical football/futsal. That is what I want to see. I just am making a point that there is a difference between good technical football/futsal and panna.
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Knnth, professional just means you earn money on whatever you do - from the word 'profession', i assume. So he could easily be both.
But Jason -- your last post was much better than everything else in this topic...
Before you said that it was a disgrace that the freestylers went for pannas and tricks. Which imo is wrong to say. But for sure there is a difference... but the freestylers obviously went in to the game with a different mindset.
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Where did i say he's lying about the lp's that he gets? Chill the fuck down. Btw, i never met you :D
Noblet is always saying stuff like 'blabla people need to be honest about their opinions blabla', well im honest now and i know alot of ppl agree with me without they say it here :grin: Seems like you're the only one who can share their honest opinion, and freak out when others dont approve with your opinion haha
No i still dont agree Mr Woo is a high leveled fser, he is high leveled in doing LP's, but nothing skillwise. Before you start saying stuff about me having to appriciate other styles too, i actually like every style in freestyle, for example hardcore, creative, blocks, etc. As long as people TRAIN HARD to get to their level, i respect them.
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Hopefully the forum activity is back :Woot_Emoticon:
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Hopefully the forum activity is back :Woot_Emoticon:
Attempting it :)
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Liicth- I guess I will never understand you. I will tell you this one more time. I've mentioned it several times in this thread. I don't think the freestylers allowed Slavia to win. I think Slavia was just a better futsal team. Why can none of you understand or accept this notion? The freestylers most likely don't know any other way to play. They will try pannas and tricks in the most important matches in their lives. That's just how they play. In the end of the day, Slavia was better at futsal.
I still think it would be a disgrace to throw a game just to do tricks. I'm not alone on this. Some people just got upset, because they do not read what I actually said, and some got upset that I said Slavia was better than them.
Knnth- When have I told you that you cannot say anything honestly? You are doing it right now. Now, you are making very uneducated comments, and you are choosing to attack individuals before commenting on the actual subject.(Somehow I get accused of starting it when I wasn't. I just replied.)
I really don't understand why any of you freaked out. The claim that someone made that the freestylers allowed Slavia to win despite being far superior is offensive to someone that plays competitive sports. Anyone that plays competitive sports would have this feeling. There are rules against this in FIFA for futsal and football. You are not allowed to play obviously below your abilities. This is to keep teams from losing matches to either benefit one team or hurt a rival team in league standings. If you followed any type of competitive sports, you'd know how pissed people get when a team or individual allows someone to win too easily.
I'll say it again, I don't think the freestylers allowed Slavia to win. You are the ones insisting they did, and it's ok that they did.
Knnth- No, you do not respect all styles of freestyle. When the only statement supporting that you respect all styles of freestyle is that statement alone, you do not respect all styles. You have criticized mine and Mr. Woo's style on this thread, so that would make you a hypocrite. You don't have to like the styles, but don't claim to respect all styles when you don't.
Mr. Woo has a very important style of freestyle which you are just writing off as not being hard. You cannot do the tricks Mr. Woo can, and I know this for a fact. There is something most freestylers are unaware, because they only concentrate on tricks. Having a very good controlled touch. Mr. Woo has one of the best touches I've ever seen. There's maybe only 2-3 freestylers I've ever seen that rival him for touch.
Also, creative is not a style of freestyle. All types of freestyle can be creative. Creative just means they do unique and original tricks. What you are considering creative style may or may not qualify. Most of these freestylers actually just do many tricks that have done before making it not creative. Some are exceptions, and they are genuinely creative. Creativity can stretch many different styles.
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I dont respect your 'style' of freestyle because i dont even count it as a style :D For me there are only 4 styles in freestyle: lowers, uppers, sits and grounds (5 if you count bboy stuff and blocks etc as another style). I dont know in what area i should place your fs, since youre obviously not doing 'real' lowers (nor creative nor hardcore), basic uppers, basic sits and dunno about the grounds.
I do respect all other types of fs, and no im not lying about that. I enjoy blocks as much as i enjoy hardcore lowers, creative uppers as much as hardcore sits etc.
I know creative isnt a style, i just said it because i also mentioned hardcore(which isnt a style either haha ;) )
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Thanks for unintentionally admitting you are just not educated on the sport you love. You are just another ignorant freestyle kid that only appreciates what he likes. I personally have never seen your freestyle, but I'm just going to assume you are extremely average at what you do.
To educate you, if you have to classify me to a style it would be oldschool or control freestyle. I personally don't feel categorizing it as necessary. Now, in my style I'm fairly advanced in my opinion. I also know for a fact that you are not even capable of doing many of the tricks I can do. I'm not creative? What about the original tricks and sequences I've done? I know you don't like them, but that doesn't mean they aren't creative. It's a perfect definition of creativity. Doing something that is unique or original. I've done many things like this.
Once again, you unintentionally admitted you don't respect all styles. You got caught in a lie. What's your explanation? Are you just too dumb to realize it?
By the way, hardcore by itself wouldn't be a style, but hardcore lowers would be a style. It's probably the most popular style at the moment. Lowers, uppers, sits, and grounds are just descriptions of types of tricks. Pretty much all styles of freestyle use these. For example, blocks and hardcore lowers are still lowers.
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I'm not educated it freestyle? Haha, im pretty sure i know how to improve, how to do certain tricks, etc. I did alot of talking to Leha, so i know some stuff :grin:
Take a look at my freestyle, youtube.com/user/Knnthh14. Im fsing for less than 1 year and a half, am i average for that time? :D
Yes you are pretty advanced in your style, because almost nobody follows your style lol. That fact you said is true, i cant do the stuff you do, and i cant care less like i said a few posts ago, im not intrested in learning it. I've never said your style wasnt creative, i liked that standing sole thing you did some time ago.
Like i said, for me all styles are uppers, lowers, sits, grounds (and bboy stuff if counted serperatly). I do respect all of them and like all of them. Calling me dumb wont change my opinion on this.
For me, hardcore lowers isnt a style, theyre part of the style lowers. Again, calling me dumb wont change my opinion.
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I dont respect your 'style' of freestyle because i dont even count it as a style :D For me there are only 4 styles in freestyle: lowers, uppers, sits and grounds (5 if you count bboy stuff and blocks etc as another style). I dont know in what area i should place your fs, since youre obviously not doing 'real' lowers (nor creative nor hardcore), basic uppers, basic sits and dunno about the grounds.
I guess I shouldn't take your post seriously since they seem to contradict themselves quite often.
Now, I'd actually say you are a decent freestyler especially based on the time you've been doing it. Your lowers are your strength right now. You need some work on sits, uppers, and transitions, but I'd consider you decent.
So talking to Leha makes you knowledgeable of the sport. Well, I'm pretty sure both of us have spoken to many knowledgeable freestylers. It just means you've spoken to them.
So doing something that very few freestylers do means it's bad? That's what it sounds like your saying, but you'll probably contradict yourself again. I actually tend to like freestylers that do unique things better, so it only makes sense that I'd follow a style that isn't mainstream. By no means does it mean it's worse or better than anything else. It just is what it is.
You seem to really not understand that lowers, uppers, sits, grounds, and transitions are just types of tricks. You cannot consider them styles. That would be like considering any type of music that a guitar is the main instrument is guitar music. Well, that could mean many different genres and subgenres of music. It's not that simple. Hardcore lowers are obviously a style, because it describes the main focus of the freestyler. Your logic of hardcore lowers not being a style, but you tell me blocks are a style once again contradicts your statement.
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I agree about that, my uppers have improved since then (i can do 12 rolls np, 106 s2s now) but my consistency isnt good yet. Also im a big sucker at transitions, so thats true. My sits improved too, i'll send you a new vid of my level when im done, ok? :)
Thats true ofc, but i can assure you i know alot about fs myself too. Im not saying im a genius in it, but i know alot. Im not saying i know stuff about creative types of fs, but i know much about lowers and sits.
No i dont think that, i actually like fsers who make up their own style, i just dont like yours.
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At least this last post makes sense. That's all I was asking.