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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Max on Mar 05, 2012, 03:22: AM
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Ok i had this on my mind for quite a while so i thought i'd share it:
Lower combos became very boring these days.
That doesnt have anything to do with the '' Oh you are always doing the same you swing your leg around the ball bullshit'', no, this is more about that there are MANY lower freestylers, no matter what level who only do combos which look like this: Hard trick combo hard trick combo hard trick. The combos in between are mostly short, one footed and hesitated. Then after a combo like this the freestyler usually smashes his ball on the ground to show how happy he is ( nothing bad with this i just recognized that many guys have that in common). What is also annoying is that many freestylers only care about 3 revs nowadays, and comboing it a later level. the most common trick doing after a 3 rev combo is ahmatw, becaus eit is very easy. at lower level combos it is cross ahtatw nt cos it is, you might guess also quite easy if you have done it a few times. I know i have also done that and i really dislike it.
I think the main point why this is happening is that many freestylers care too much about the recognition of their level in the community so they try to get that with 3 revs and combos of them. The problem is that most freestylers nowadays dont realize how hard a combo can be if there is no 3 rev in it.
So the purpose of this post is that i would like to watch some combos that are not always the same, a bit more random, maybe creative AND that people stop using atw htw hatw only as a bridge to the next hard trick in their combo.
Some examples how it should be:
Random cool combos : Thomas
No hesitating between hard tricks: Tom Folan
And last but not least here a video how freestyle looked like in 2009. Master of Airmoves then now and always: Pawel Skora:
Skóra - Beyondfootball Competition 2009 - FINAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ofuSkjv7E#)
Notive that by this time skora has allready had mastered a wide range of 3 revs but do you see any of the common combos like nowadays in this video? NO! And that is what defines real level for me.
Would like to hear your opinions on this.
Peace
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its really hard to make a name for yourself with something out of the mainstream
and people just want the fame these days.
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I love topics like this :)
Couldn't agree more on everything you said, i'm starting to get annoyed by the combos of nowadays. Alot of times you can just clearly see what (hard)trick will follow on the combo, and that makes it way less fun to watch.
That's the main reason i like the lowers of Thomas, TF, Metoditos, ... . They're very variated and the weak foot of them is used alot.
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i love watching hungarian freestyle, their combos are different, like easy tricks combined in a hard combo. For example Mumins newest video
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I fully agree with you max
combos now are amazingly boring
SKATW - COMBO - AHMATW - COMBO - AHMATW - COMBO - ALATW
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CO AHTATW NT - COMBO - CO AHTATW NT - COMBO - CO AHTATW NT
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EATW - COMBO - AHMATW - COMBO - AHMATW - COMBO - AHMATW
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You see the same COMBO AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN!
This is not like the time of FX, Zegan, Szymo, Skora etc...
they had variation and their combos were thought out
That's why I still believe Skora is KING!
although... his combos NOW are a bit... repetitive.
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Wrote a whole essay but decided to delete it, just gonna say that I don't believe in this because fsers put hours into training and instead of appreciating, you guys are writing this stuff about it! I don't understand that..how can they get repetitive?
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i think only those who have seen the era till upto 2008/2009 can feel this way.
maybe the guys now dont even know if they are doing anything wrong( well wrong= bored/mindless stuff in our opinion)
i also wonder if they look up old videos and know about the history. i am also interested to know what they think about older videos.
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@Sam: well the more a sport grows the harder it usually gets to get the attention of the scene. For example why would i watch a skatw combo ahmatw by a freestyler who isnt a friend when this combo has been done 100 times more beautiful before? Furthermore freestylers think that 3revs are the hardest in freestyle which is bullshit. Try hard nt combos or nts after hard alternative tricks like abatw and you will see that this is harder. Also to do both feet and longer combos between hard tricks is harder than you think. Look for example at anyOne, he is doing at least 15 tricks after a 3 rev before doing the next hard trick. This is also much harder but people dont see that nowadays. nowadays everything that counts is skatw combo ahmatw no matter how many tricks are between the skatw and the ahmatw or if they were bot feeted.
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I totally get you Max!! I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying hardcore combos, cause I do!! But I miss especially the old fx and rocco style!!!! Loved the combos with tatw-hmatw-amatw tatw-ahmatw combo.....
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i watched some old rocco videos recently, i find combos with mutliple 2rev tricks much cooler to watch, those have much more flow than skatw-combo-skatw. It's sad that tricks like hmatw, (beck) palle trick, magellan etc are so rarely seen in combos nowadays.
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Amen.
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Totally agree with your post, especially with the following:
I think the main point why this is happening is that many freestylers care too much about the recognition of their level in the community so they try to get that with 3 revs and combos of them. The problem is that most freestylers nowadays dont realize how hard a combo can be if there is no 3 rev in it.
I see this quite often, even on a much lower level, where beginners are trying to nail something like TATW AMATW, but can't do a simple 5 move combo...
This is why I prefer watching stylish Hungarian lowers, like those from Mickey or Jedinho, rather than some random "hardcore" wannabe.
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Great responses here, allthough its almost only the older freestylers posting here. Didnt want to offend any fast improving freestyler, just wanted to express my opinion.
Yeah miran i agree with you, yesterday a freestyler contacted me who has freestyled for 1,5 years now and asked me if i could do 3 revs after 1,5 years...... thats a bit sad imo.
Sam i would really like to read your point of view !!
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I feel it's a bigger problem that people with shitty style do these kind of hardcore combos. I miss when having a good style was more important than doing hard combos..
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After reading the responses and explanations I am starting to understand what you were talking about Max. I suppose FX would be a great example of someone who does well varied combos. But I don't think that the skatw combo skatw combo stuff should be completely ignored because it does take hours of practice to get to that level! Thanks for this thread though, will pay attention to what sorts of combos I put into videos now haha never thought of it this way :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
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I agree with everything you said Max ! I really miss the old times
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Someone lands patw in one video. Next video, various patw combos. Next video, patw combo patw.
Everything is SO predictable. Freestyle is boring as hell right now, that is a fact.
The 'new' generation seem to think that lowers are all about 3 revs and ugly as hell nt combos.
I could write for days about this topic haha
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I'm gonna be the person who bites the bullet and speaks on behalf of those who like doing the predictable 'level up' combos...
I personally love 3 revs because it feels like its pushing the limits of what is possible with a football. Of course those hungarian combos are more beautiful...but if i were to spend ages training them, then at the end of the day i would be training for the satisfaction of other people, not for my own personal satisfaction. That is not to say I don't do them...i do them them in the quantity which i enjoy!
1. I agree that too many are skipping out basics and doing like 5 strong foot latw before they can do atw htw atw htw x 20 or whatever
BUT
2. when it gets to a point where a fs'er IS able to do those basics...i strongly believe they should be able to train wtf they enjoy...if you're fsing for other people and not for yourself then i personally have zero respect for you.
Of course this is an entirely separate point from that of style...I do believe that no matter what level, if a style is shit that fs'er should work on it not because other people say so but because the sport is so beautiful so why not try your hardest to make your input to it as beautiful as possible...Just to re-iterate, that is NOT to say that unplanned 3 rev combos can't be beautiful...as long as the style is good!
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I disagree with you ethan. You are saying that people do the.predictable stuff because they enjoy it and dont care about what others think of the but imo it is the opposite. People do these combos because thats the only ( or at least easiest way ) to get recognition in the community. People like mumin are the freestylers who do what they want and not the other way around. There are also some exceptions like you who have great level in everything and enjoy the predictable type of combos but the majority imo is doing it for recognition and therefore freestyle for others and not for themselves.
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i disagree with ethan too. people's definition of hardcore has become limited. dont you think?
and instead of using their head to create something originally hardcore, they do the same thing done a million times to get recognition, just as max said...
tf, artes and skora are imo some of the best examples of the 'different' hardcore
but i respect your freestyle a lot ethan! for example your 2 apatw combos had the finishings they deserved. not a random nt or bunch of alt 2 revs..
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Ima just throw this out there as an example:
ARS - PACT3 - PART 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoITI-9TckM#ws) (2:10) imo, one of the hardest combos ever. Who could replicate it?
Skóra LOWERBODY COMPETITION PART 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ejjpBqkLc&feature=plcp&context=C496c8d3VDvjVQa1PpcFMt2A6L1E1RemIzqqKFSiMlnwjYYNzs0ZA%3D#ws) (00:58) again, probably one of the hardest combos ever.
This is what freestyle is for me and I realised a few days ago the lack of these kind of combos is the reason I lost a great deal of passion and enthusiasm for the sport.
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perfect examples TF! reminds me of the times i saw first few lower videos an had no idea what was going on there.
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tbc you mention TF as one of the best examples of someone who does "different" hardcore, care to explain how?
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2006 and 2007 was the good old times with lindroth last videos, skora 's clf competition, fx and rocco 's videos and of course palle the king. People started to make interesting combos with a lot of variations.
Today is an interesting period too, we have new legends who push the limit like akim, ethan, lkr, charly iacono, J9, mp and always big legends who are still alive like skora, fx, rocco, footwork team, tobias, azun and palle (i can't imagine the freestyle world if one of them will stop freestyle).
It's just sad that now big legends only make 1 or 2 video in a year because the most stylish combos are in these videos !
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yeah i discussed my points with TF after and realised that i slightly misunderstood what you were getting at here...and yeah the more i think about it the more i agree with you! happy to hear to accept i was wrong!
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good man, i know you care about variety and i really like that!
i would also really like to see the type of combos tom posted being pushed to the next level. would look incredible!
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Yes and no!
Well IMO style matters in this case. For example I really enjoy hardcore combos done with style, like Azun or Rocco. I can watch Rocco 3 rev tricks for days, no matter what if they are "just the same". But probably I'm the one who actually hasn't watched Akims (or any other guy like that) lower videos, people say that they are amazing, but I got bored of them a long time ago. And that goes for combos with a lot of variety too. For me one example would be Thomas, uses a lot of tricks in he's combos, can do a lot of variety (also long nt). I still watch he's one of the oldest videos "Three hours of joy". So combos done with style - I'll watch them, not- not even bothering myself. If the tricks are clean, done smoothly it looks a lot more attractive to me and as far as I'm concerned to other viewers too.
But I also agree with max that there's not much of variety and stuff like that nowadays, but I think that will change in some point, I'm sure...
Just saying my opinion
pallur
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yea i completely agree, i am often thinking about the same stuff... and always when i see a new video with some of the "different" hardcore i get really happy, and that's also the reason why for me the old skora videos (like 2007-2009 about that time) are still the best videos, it is just incredible the variety and the ideas of combos, it really is more enjoyable for me...
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Bump
IMO this started when Ars and later MP started to make fucking hardcore videos, everybody wanted to be as good as them and therefore started practising hardcore stuff. What they didnt realize was that it took MP and Ars training of like 30 hours a week with extreme discipline to achieve that level. For example when european freestylers upload a hard combo they dont care what they do between the hard tricks in a combo. in russia they care, they mostly put at least ten tricks perfectly balanced with both feet between their hard tricks which i find really nice to watch. Furthermore people forgot that MP for example wasnt good at only one three rev trick, but at like every three rev trick. he could do pmatw and ematw combos but at the same time he was able to do skora nt after skmatw which is just crazy and therefore he is for me still by far the best improver.
Another problem is the movement away from freestyle forums. If all freestylers would be on this forum it would be alot easier to educate them and tell them the different levels of difficulty of combos. nowadays you only read on facebook WHOA two skatw in combo you are insane or Skatw combo ahmatw combo ahtatw combo ahmatw was insane. But what happened between the two skatws or the Skatw combo ahmatw? nobody cares about that. If something like that happened here people have always been corrected ( often not in a polite way ) by freestylers like oli. But on facebook thats not possible.
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lets bring the forums back!!! SNAPBACKS BACK! i agree with Max.... for my next video I wanna play the combos with barely any "filler" tricks in between, just varied lowers
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totally agree with max
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maybe this the evolution stage of lowers. so many people are doing the same combos
skala combo skala
amatw amatw nt combo amatw amatw nt..
something hard combo 2/alt2 rev
Who knows with an understanding might develop which may lead us to better combos
my theory of survival of the fittest combos :P
Max, you watch so many videos, you should probably put your thoughts in a video because this thread will soon die.