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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Mrrob1296 on Oct 05, 2011, 07:36: PM
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comment here if you knoww please
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Get to know the different levels and see what you can do and compare. Simple.
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from what i have seen recently i think beginner fsers in lowers competitions can do:
- basic nt combos like amatw-amatw nt, tatw-matw nt etc
- combos like lmatw combo, batw combo, new shit combo etc
but it depends on your variety as well. Like if u can do almatw combo but you have a shitty weak foot, no nt combos and no variety then u can still be beginner.
intermediate fsers can do:
- nt combos like tatw-amatw-amatw nt, lmatw-matw nt etc
- combos like bltatw combo, mgmatw combo, almatw combo etc
again lack of varieety and weak foot play a part so if u can do smth like skatw but are shitty at everyhing else then u are intermediate
Deciding intermediate and beginner in allround comps is much harder though but variety plays a big role in deciding, from what ive seen......and average fs level increases regularly so it may change again soon :victory:
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For me
Begginer:
~10/20 tricks combos
~Basic NT's like: Cross AMATW/MATW/ATATW/TATW NT
~Alternate 2 revolution tricks (ALATW/AHMATW/AHTATW)
Intermediate:
~25+ tricks combos
~2 or 3 Alternate 2rev. tricks in one combo
~3/4 NT's combos, like AMATW MATW MATW MATW NT, AMATW AMATW AMATW NT
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from what i have seen recently i think beginner fsers in lowers competitions can do:
- basic nt combos like amatw-amatw nt, tatw-matw nt etc
- combos like lmatw combo, batw combo, new shit combo etc
but it depends on your variety as well. Like if u can do almatw combo but you have a shitty weak foot, no nt combos and no variety then u can still be beginner.
intermediate fsers can do:
- nt combos like tatw-amatw-amatw nt, lmatw-matw nt etc
- combos like bltatw combo, mgmatw combo, almatw combo etc
again lack of varieety and weak foot play a part so if u can do smth like skatw but are shitty at everyhing else then u are intermediate
Deciding intermediate and beginner in allround comps is much harder though but variety plays a big role in deciding, from what ive seen......and average fs level increases regularly so it may change again soon :victory:
For me
Begginer:
~10/20 tricks combos
~Basic NT's like: Cross AMATW/MATW/ATATW/TATW NT
~Alternate 2 revolution tricks (ALATW/AHMATW/AHTATW)
Intermediate:
~25+ tricks combos
~2 or 3 Alternate 2rev. tricks in one combo
~3/4 NT's combos, like AMATW MATW MATW MATW NT, AMATW AMATW AMATW NT
What level is Sean and Kamalio at?
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from what i have seen recently i think beginner fsers in lowers competitions can do:
- basic nt combos like amatw-amatw nt, tatw-matw nt etc
- combos like lmatw combo, batw combo, new shit combo etc
but it depends on your variety as well. Like if u can do almatw combo but you have a shitty weak foot, no nt combos and no variety then u can still be beginner.
intermediate fsers can do:
- nt combos like tatw-amatw-amatw nt, lmatw-matw nt etc
- combos like bltatw combo, mgmatw combo, almatw combo etc
again lack of varieety and weak foot play a part so if u can do smth like skatw but are shitty at everyhing else then u are intermediate
Deciding intermediate and beginner in allround comps is much harder though but variety plays a big role in deciding, from what ive seen......and average fs level increases regularly so it may change again soon :victory:
For me
Begginer:
~10/20 tricks combos
~Basic NT's like: Cross AMATW/MATW/ATATW/TATW NT
~Alternate 2 revolution tricks (ALATW/AHMATW/AHTATW)
Intermediate:
~25+ tricks combos
~2 or 3 Alternate 2rev. tricks in one combo
~3/4 NT's combos, like AMATW MATW MATW MATW NT, AMATW AMATW AMATW NT
What level is Sean and Kamalio at?
Sean level? :043: hhmm I remember that he can do a lot of atw's with strong foot, maybe few latw's and also am am nt? so maybe he is between beginer and inermediate in lowers'))
Btw 2.5 years ago we could see what is real intermediate LEVEL)) hahahha Skóra - Beyond Football - Intermediate Compition - Qualification Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U7x_LK_Jck#)
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What level is Sean and Kamalio at?
i think both Sean and Kamalio, in allround competition, would be advanced.
In lowers though i think Sean is beginner. From i have seen he can do basic nt combos like amatw-matw nt and atws but that is beginner nowadays. Kamalio is probably intermediate in lowers. I don't know if he ever showed his true level in lowers but from what i have seen he can do basic nt combos and really long combos. But kamalio is kinda in between :017: because he is too good for beginner but barely an intermediate in lowers.
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What's level of Yosshi then? lol. :p
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Many people, as shown above, define lowers as just atw's, htw's,amatw's,tatw's,j9gjrnlwnlskatw's etc. This is a wrong assumption in my eyes. I would say that the category lowers contains partly airmoves (atw's etc), and i agree that is the most common one, but also other styles like blocking for example.
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What level is Sean and Kamalio at?
i think both Sean and Kamalio, in allround competition, would be advanced.
In lowers though i think Sean is beginner. From i have seen he can do basic nt combos like amatw-matw nt and atws but that is beginner nowadays. Kamalio is probably intermediate in lowers. I don't know if he ever showed his true level in lowers but from what i have seen he can do basic nt combos and really long combos. But kamalio is kinda in between :017: because he is too good for beginner but barely an intermediate in lowers.
can't kamalio do patw? he got close in rbss against azun...
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Many people, as shown above, define lowers as just atw's, htw's,amatw's,tatw's,j9gjrnlwnlskatw's etc. This is a wrong assumption in my eyes. I would say that the category lowers contains partly airmoves (atw's etc), and i agree that is the most common one, but also other styles like blocking for example.
which is by far not as hard as airmoves so it doesnt play a big role when you ask somebody about his level.
Its incredible how freestyle has changed in the past few years.... when i began you were like pro when you could do amatw amatw nt...
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Well, it seriously depends on how you define "level". Some people show very little in their video for example. In fact, they only show combos they can do 100% in videos. Does that consistency play a part in level determining? Also different people does different stuff. Yoshi for example, almost never show a great "conventional lower" (ATWs and the like) combo. But his high level in freestyle is unquestionable.
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im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-
beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.
advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...
masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)
This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)
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can't kamalio do patw? he got close in rbss against azun...
maybe kamalio can do patw, i have no idea, but i was judging his level from what i have seen in videos.
What's level of Yosshi then? lol. :p
blocking and stall moves are technically lowerbody fs but for the purpose of video lowers competitions i do not think they should count as lowers to determine your level. Just my opinion, but i think it would defeat the purpose of the competition. Most people enter video lowers comps to test their level against others in atw and htw variations. When judging lowers, upper, sits or whatever you have to compare like with like. So blocking and stalls should be a separate category.
But in allround level i would definitely say yosshi is advanced.
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Beginner = someone who is just starting freestyle. Was this really hard for anyone? A beginner cannot do anything but the easiest of tricks. I have no clue what you're talking about them doing combos or hard tricks. They also can probably only do basic lower and uppers, maybe grounds. They definitely cannot do almost any sit-downs or even juggle sitting.
Intermediate- someone whom has become comfortable with several basic tricks in uppers, lowers, sitdowns, and grounds(eventhough most freestylers are beginners at grounds).
Advanced- People who can successfully do routines, combos, and transitions with a decent level of consistency.
Expert- People who can do very hard tricks, combos, etc. with a high level of consistency.
Why does everyone feel that freestylers must learn particular tricks to be above beginner stage? It makes no sense since it is "freestyle".
Also, by most of the answers Billy Wingrove is a beginner. He's definitely no world champion, but he is at least an intermediate level freestyler.
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Beginner = someone who is just starting freestyle. Was this really hard for anyone? A beginner cannot do anything but the easiest of tricks. I have no clue what you're talking about them doing combos or hard tricks. they also can probably only do basic lower and uppers, maybe grounds. they definitely cannot do almost any sit-downs or even juggle sitting.
Intermediate- someone whom has become comfortable with several basic tricks in uppers, lowers, sitdowns, and grounds(eventhough most freestylers are beginners at grounds).
Advanced- People who can successfully do routines, combos, and transitions with a decent level of consistency.
Expert- People who can do very hard tricks, combos, etc. with a high level of consistency.
Why does everyone feel that freestylers must learn particular tricks to be above beginner stage? It makes no sense since it is "freestyle".
Also, by most of the answers Billy Wingrove is a beginner. He's definitely no world champion, but he is at least an intermediate level freestyler.
compared to the very best freestylers he is a beginner PERIOD.
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. The two things aren't comparable on any level.
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner
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im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-
beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.
advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...
masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)
This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)
Whoa, this seems a tough grading scale. You'd make for one tough teacher in school. :grin:
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner
Wait, then how are we going to recognize those who are serious with freestyle but only started and can only do some ATW, HTW...? they're definitely not football players (since they're dedicated to freestyle), and they're trying as hard as they can to improve. So they're not beginner freestylers? What should we even call them? Football drop outs or Insignificant Insect?
It's true that the level of freestyle has indeed increased with all the freestylers Skora, Akim, MP... taking it to other levels, but a beginner is just a beginner. He's serious, but he simply don't have that kind of skill. Not yet. We can't simply ignore him because of that. We have to recognize him as a beginner freestyler, there's no other choice.
Take freestyle level to be from 0 (beginner) to 10 (advanced) in the past. Now the max level has increased to 100, and you guys are saying that beginner freestyler should be at like 30. However, beginner level should always start at absolute 0, no matter how high the maximum level is. Increasing the max level is equicalent to the elongation of the overall length of the scale, not keeping it constant and increased the beginner level instead.
About the "footballers" issue: sure there are footballers who can do tricks, but do they dedicate themselves only to learning tricks? No they don't. So the way we separate freestylers and footballers should be very simple: freestylers dedicate themselves for tricks, and footballers may know some tricks, but they don't dedicate all their time to learn more tricks.
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im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-
beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.
advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...
masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)
lol it's not trolling if you believe in it. I agree with this just the beginner part should be a little less. There should be a lower level too like novice.
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I don't get why so many people are so obsessed with having labels on their back saying i'm this or that.
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Khoa, you are correct. His comments made literally no sense what so ever. By definition, one's level in freestyle cannot be judged by ability to do particular tricks, or half the legends would fall into beginner status. Please lets not get into the argument of freestyle vs football. If you insist on doing this, you are nothing but stupid.
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im gonna troll (and i am trolling but it is what i genuinely do believe so dont bother arguing) - only air moves matter:-
beginner: up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
intermediate: 30+ tricks with at least 12 weak foot of which at least 6 need to be atw/hatw. then any 3 move nt, almatw/altatw, rsatw/satw/almatw - perhaps your first 3 revolution trick.
advanced: 40+ trick combos with 100% balance on both feet (20/20), 4+ nt, 2+ diferent 3 revolution tricks, almatw/rsatw/satw - nt, at least 4 ahm/aht/al in a combo and 3 in a row of one of them etc...
masters: don't need to say anything other than rocco, fx, skora, azun, mp, ars, akim, becs, mirko (maybe i forgot someone)
This is how i would personally do it, however there are always going to be exceptions...people who can do 3 latw on one foot before 5 atw's with weak foot etc...(idiots)
where do you put Brian Lockyer? he is master on hhjatw, taatw and aatw variations but i don't think his weak foot is very good...
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I don't get why so many people are so obsessed with having labels on their back saying i'm this or that.
i assumed the guy who started this thread was talking about setting categories of fsers for video competitions on BF. This is not necessarily to label anyone.
And even though guys like billy wingrove and yosshi are great at perfoming it is obviuos that in lowers they are 'beginner' level. I agree though that Billy Wingrove should probably be intermediate in allround because he has good variety. But no one should be put in advanced category because they can do lp routines or have a good level of consistency. Video competitons are very differnet to lp.
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Who cares, omg. :embarrassed: Nowadays freestyle is too differential to judge it and I don't think it is even needed to something :o
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I think freestyle levels should be set by milestones. For example:
Beginner milestones would be
Getting 5-8 atws strong foot
2-4 atws weak foot
tatw/matw/amatw/atatw all strong foot
tatw/matw/amatw/atatw all or some weak foot
latw/htatw/hmatw
7-9 move combo using both feet (the way ethan summed it up)
Intermediate level:
First milestone nt (tatw-amatw nt for example)
2 double revolution tricks in a combo (latw-combo-htatw for example)
1 alternative double revolution trick in a combo (alatw-combo)
20+ move combos with both feet
1/2 weak foot double revolution tricks (latw/alatw for example) *Not htatw or hmatw
2 nt tricks (amatw-amatw-matw nt for example)
Advanced level:
First milestone 3 rev (patw for example)
2 nt tricks with both feet combo 1 nt (amatw-amatw-amatw - combo - amatw-amatw nt for example)
4 ahmatws/ahtatws
etc...I don't feel like writing it all :/
just my opinion
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Everybody bases their opinion on their own level... People that suck at long combos thinks that getting over 40 moves is harder than 15 nt, I can do quite easily 35+ move combo using both feet and my best nt combo is (amatw-matw)nt, lol
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
No its just your system which doesnt work. your description of a beginner freestyler would fit 90 percent of all kids playing football. Are they all freestylers? guess not. nowadays the level has raised and so should the definitions of the different levels. And to billy wingrove: we are talking about pure freestyle level not the ability to entertain people or the ability to make up a routine or to remember achoreography. and on plain freestyle side he is a beginner
Wait, then how are we going to recognize those who are serious with freestyle but only started and can only do some ATW, HTW...? they're definitely not football players (since they're dedicated to freestyle), and they're trying as hard as they can to improve. So they're not beginner freestylers? What should we even call them? Football drop outs or Insignificant Insect?
It's true that the level of freestyle has indeed increased with all the freestylers Skora, Akim, MP... taking it to other levels, but a beginner is just a beginner. He's serious, but he simply don't have that kind of skill. Not yet. We can't simply ignore him because of that. We have to recognize him as a beginner freestyler, there's no other choice.
Take freestyle level to be from 0 (beginner) to 10 (advanced) in the past. Now the max level has increased to 100, and you guys are saying that beginner freestyler should be at like 30. However, beginner level should always start at absolute 0, no matter how high the maximum level is. Increasing the max level is equicalent to the elongation of the overall length of the scale, not keeping it constant and increased the beginner level instead.
About the "footballers" issue: sure there are footballers who can do tricks, but do they dedicate themselves only to learning tricks? No they don't. So the way we separate freestylers and footballers should be very simple: freestylers dedicate themselves for tricks, and footballers may know some tricks, but they don't dedicate all their time to learn more tricks.
you didnt understnad the whole system. of course you dont start to be a beginner when you can do the things ethan listed. these are just the top border for beginners. The beginner level is from one atw up to 25 trick combo, tatw amatw nt, amatw amatw nt, tatw atatw nt, latw, lmatw/ltatw, alatw, ahmatw, ahtatw.
This is just naturally because you always have do compare to the best. and compared to someone with top skill level like skora, talking about overall skill, a guy who can do amatw amatw nt and ahmatw is still a beginner.
Furthermore we are judging about airmoves because these require the highest dedication, training and skill. I myself have quite a good level at all styles (except grounds) and i can tell you that airmoves are by far hardest to learn and to perfect.
And to people who mention freestylers like brian lockyer: the system is just a guideline, since freestyle has so many different tricks there will always be some exceptions. Of course brian lockyer is an expert in airmoves, we all know that. but for example all the show freestylers have a very low skill level compared to the best like skora szymo andrew and so on.
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
can you please tell the tricks which make him intermediate? cuz you see, it is the tricks which make the freestyler beginner/intermediate/advanced. Not his reputation, fame or the amount of time he has been freestyling.
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And how other styles - upper and sitting? :)
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And how other styles - upper and sitting? :)
A-N-D H-O-W A-B-O-U-T S-H-U-T U-P Y-O-U-R M-O-U-T-H B-I-T-C-H? :043: :043:
I think if you really want to know who you are a beginner,intermediate or advanced, you'll need another more categories - for example( if we take the classification of Ethan) there are many people like me : between advanced and masters! (I can do more harder combos than advanced and much less than the masters in this classification)
p.s. hope u will understand me - I have a very bad english coz I'm russian bitch like Baruzdin))
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Quite funny how just mentioning Billy Wingrove irritates many of the users on here. He is intermediate whether you like it or not. He's been doing it forever, so he'd have to be retarded not to be. He is also probably better than many of you give him credit. He just normally sticks to his routine for LPs, and that is all we see from him. Than you guys judge him next to a Skora video. the two things aren't comparable on any level.
can you please tell the tricks which make him intermediate? cuz you see, it is the tricks which make the freestyler beginner/intermediate/advanced. Not his reputation, fame or the amount of time he has been freestyling.
The guy does fairly consistent LPs with very few to no drops. It's not uncommon at all to see that from Billy to do a LP without drops, and this alone should classify him as an intermediate freestyler. Beginners are people just starting freestyle. This idea that the level of beginner must be raised, because the level of masters is so high is ridiculous. You are a beginner when you first begin freestyle. It's that simple. The word is in the title. Billy also has been doing sole juggles and a few decent sitting moves for several years now which would at least be considered intermediate. I think the hatred towards him is hilarious. Get over it. It's extremely silly that so many of you are jealous of his fame and the gigs he gets.
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the guy does fairly consistent LPs with very few to no drops. It's not uncommon at all to see that from Billy to do a LP without drops, and this alone should classify him as an intermediate freestyler. Beginners are people just starting freestyle. This idea that the level of beginner must be raised, because the level of masters is so high is ridiculous. You are a beginner when you first begin freestyle. It's that simple. the word is in the title. Billy also has been doing sole juggles and a few decent sitting moves for several years now which would at least be considered intermediate. I think the hatred towards him is hilarious. Get over it. It's extremely silly that so many of you are jealous of his fame and the gigs he gets.
I realise you are convinced some guys are jealous of billy wingrove so im not going to try to change your mind. But you were the one who first mentioned billy’s name in this thread. No one is hating on billy or denying his lp entertainment skills. But in terms of technical fs skills he is very close to beginner level or maybe intermediate because of his variety. Whether im jealous or not it is still true.
Im not hating on you or billy or anyone but i do not understand how u put someone in intermediate category because they can do BASIC tricks in an lp without drops.
Also, if some random guy is fsing for 10 years but only learns only atw and tatw in that time he is clearly a beginner. So it is not limited to freestylers who just started.
Just my opinion, peace
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how the hell can some of you guys call kamalio an intermediate lower body fser!? :embarrassed:
do heel tricks count in lower body fs or not? :sign0065:
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the guy does fairly consistent LPs with very few to no drops. It's not uncommon at all to see that from Billy to do a LP without drops, and this alone should classify him as an intermediate freestyler. Beginners are people just starting freestyle. This idea that the level of beginner must be raised, because the level of masters is so high is ridiculous. You are a beginner when you first begin freestyle. It's that simple. the word is in the title. Billy also has been doing sole juggles and a few decent sitting moves for several years now which would at least be considered intermediate. I think the hatred towards him is hilarious. Get over it. It's extremely silly that so many of you are jealous of his fame and the gigs he gets.
I realise you are convinced some guys are jealous of billy wingrove so im not going to try to change your mind. But you were the one who first mentioned billy’s name in this thread. No one is hating on billy or denying his lp entertainment skills. But in terms of technical fs skills he is very close to beginner level or maybe intermediate because of his variety. Whether im jealous or not it is still true.
Im not hating on you or billy or anyone but i do not understand how u put someone in intermediate category because they can do BASIC tricks in an lp without drops.
Also, if some random guy is fsing for 10 years but only learns only atw and tatw in that time he is clearly a beginner. So it is not limited to freestylers who just started.
Just my opinion, peace
I mentioned Billy, because he is well known. Everyone here knows who he is. He is definitely not a beginner, or he would stop getting any shows at all. If you read my description of the levels, he falls face first into the intermediate category, because he does have at least basic tricks in all areas of freestyle. This is something many of you don't have. His level is definitely intermediate. Intermediate more or less means around average among a group. He is at least average. Also, LP skills are a huge part of freestyle. I don't understand why people rate certain skills, and they don't rate others. I was consider him better than many of the freestylers that post in this forum as well.
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can you stop licking billy wingroves bum hole and blowing his trumpet please? thank youuuuuuu
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Only if you stop licking Oli's asshole :098:
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how the hell can some of you guys call kamalio an intermediate lower body fser!? :embarrassed:
do heel tricks count in lower body fs or not? :sign0065:
his heel tricks are good and he has good long combos using both feet and a few nt combos too. But i think he is not hardcore enough to be in advanced lowers category.
Im a big fan of his style and variety in lowers but when i compare him to intermediate lowers in BF comps he is about the same level so that is why i said he is intermediate.
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the guy does fairly consistent LPs with very few to no drops. It's not uncommon at all to see that from Billy to do a LP without drops, and this alone should classify him as an intermediate freestyler. Beginners are people just starting freestyle. This idea that the level of beginner must be raised, because the level of masters is so high is ridiculous. You are a beginner when you first begin freestyle. It's that simple. the word is in the title. Billy also has been doing sole juggles and a few decent sitting moves for several years now which would at least be considered intermediate. I think the hatred towards him is hilarious. Get over it. It's extremely silly that so many of you are jealous of his fame and the gigs he gets.
I realise you are convinced some guys are jealous of billy wingrove so im not going to try to change your mind. But you were the one who first mentioned billy’s name in this thread. No one is hating on billy or denying his lp entertainment skills. But in terms of technical fs skills he is very close to beginner level or maybe intermediate because of his variety. Whether im jealous or not it is still true.
Im not hating on you or billy or anyone but i do not understand how u put someone in intermediate category because they can do BASIC tricks in an lp without drops.
Also, if some random guy is fsing for 10 years but only learns only atw and tatw in that time he is clearly a beginner. So it is not limited to freestylers who just started.
Just my opinion, peace
I mentioned Billy, because he is well known. Everyone here knows who he is. He is definitely not a beginner, or he would stop getting any shows at all. If you read my description of the levels, he falls face first into the intermediate category, because he does have at least basic tricks in all areas of freestyle. This is something many of you don't have. His level is definitely intermediate. Intermediate more or less means around average among a group. He is at least average. Also, LP skills are a huge part of freestyle. I don't understand why people rate certain skills, and they don't rate others. I was consider him better than many of the freestylers that post in this forum as well.
your username tells all about you. i think its either.
- Your definition of intermediate is screwed up.
or
- you dont watch freestyle at all.
from what you said. billy is an intermediate performer. not freestyler.
freestyle started first and LPs came later on. MP and all suck at LPs doesnt make them fall down from the masters category.
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Max^RF - malicious uncle :)
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Only if you stop licking Oli's asshole :098:
haha comparing Oli to Billy Wingrove? :bf:
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wait... Am I the only one here who thinks Kamalio is at LEAST above intermediate level!?
:crazy:
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Yes, unfortunately you are one of a few. The rest of the users on this site are now completely retarded. :lol_hitting: