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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Ethan on Sep 28, 2011, 04:43: AM
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Hey guys,
John whetton linked me to something today that i wanted to ask about/get some opinions on.
Please correct me if i'm mistaken but i was led to believe that after EVERY event the bottom 8 go out and then get replaced by another 8. I am pretty sure this was the system - and i felt it was a very good system!
However, after reading this http://learnfootballfreestyle.com/freestyle-news/meet-dan-wood-f2-president/ (http://learnfootballfreestyle.com/freestyle-news/meet-dan-wood-f2-president/) it seems F3 are going back on what they said and for the good of 'the media's understanding of freestyle', they'll only be introducing this system according to competitions in 2012...which means, realistically, nobody new will hit that top 16 until 2013!
IMO, this is pretty bad...props to f3 for malaysia, that was an amazing event. But, without mentioning any names at all, the line up there was not entirely representative of the world top 16 and the 8in 8out method previously suggested would actually result in forming a real top 16...
Views?
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IMO, I'd prefer a 12-4 or at most 10-6 "dropping" system, rather than 8-8, but in general I agree that this needs to be made, because if you put the same 16 all year round, you'll just end up giving free trips for some, when there are other freestylers out there who both deserve to be there and have more desire to compete.
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8 out is perfect... miran how would you kick 6 or 4?
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i just think that keeping the same 16 freestylers is closing the door for guys that could actually compete against the 'best'.... ( i have put best in quotations because that is another debate). Also to get in to the top 16 you have to compete in various competitions, which means getting a plane to another country i imagine, sooo for guys who cant afford to get to places, where does that leave them?
I definately think there needs to be a relagation system of some sort in order for some other guys to get in and challenge to be the best.... 2013 is a verryyy long time away and there is some very very veryyy good freestylers that are ready now to show there the best.
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I am so confused on this thread... Does this mean the same 16 people will keep competing against each other over and over again?
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I am so confused on this thread... Does this mean the same 16 people will keep competing against each other over and over again?
yes untill maybe 2013 as far as i can tell from reading that post
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I am so confused on this thread... Does this mean the same 16 people will keep competing against each other over and over again?
yes untill maybe 2013 as far as i can tell from reading that post
that would be so boring
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I am so confused on this thread... Does this mean the same 16 people will keep competing against each other over and over again?
Yes, the same 16 will be in the line up for the entire tour.
8 out is perfect... miran how would you kick 6 or 4?
The same way you'd kick out the 8, lol. If someone loses in the first round and is in the bottom 4/6/8 of the qualifications (and most of those who were in the bottom 8 in qualifications ended up losing in the first round of the battles) - he's out. 8 is a bit too much IMO, because everyone can have a bad day and there would be too many changes in the line up from stop to stop.
One more thing, is someone knows he won't be out of the competition, no matter what position he ends up in, he won't have any imperative to perform his best.
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haha it would be more boring than WFSL stuck in japan for a year :P
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haha it would be more boring than WFSL stuck in japan for a year :P
maybe for you... I'm quite sure WFSLeague will be an unforgetable event, maybe and with luck it will be better than WFFC KL...
and the next stop will be Europe close from your country ;)
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I haven't read the article yet but the first impression I get from this bit of news is that the competition will become a bit tiresome and dull with the same guys in there for a whole year. No disrespect to the top 16 they are all fantastic, you could stick any 16 in there and keep it the same and it would still become mundane.
8 in 8 out keeps the competition fresh, adds a more competitive atmosphere and pushes freestyle forward as a whole. I am pretty sure a lot of guys watching WFFCKL got inspired to train hard to hopefully get a place in the competition. If more guys are training, putting out videos more frequently to build up their 'cv' to be in the competition then only good can come out of it.
It's still early days but I hope they rethink this strategy, the competition has so much potential and the event in KL has been the most impressive thing to happen in freestyle for me. F3 should now be speaking to freestylers outside of the top 16 to gain a wider view on what should happen with the comp, I know they worked closely with the 16 but if I was in the 16 and the asked me about keeping it the same I would be like fuck yeah! lol
Still like I said early days.
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Since we're already on the subject, which new faces would you like to see in the competition?
I'll start: Skóra, FX, Rocco, Yamato, Yosshi, maybe Rocky, MS & Artes
To be honest, I wouldn't change more than 4 freestylers & I'd even consider not changing every stop, but rather give everyone a chance to show what they've got, because as I already said, everyone can have a bad day...
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many other fsers deserve to be considered for the next stop like turlakov, mikolaj, clyde, gunther, john farnworth.......and bring 'crazy feet' too! :13: .....and only top 4 should remain for next stop on the tour imo. It will get boring seeing the same guys everytime.
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Top 8 got garanted a spot.
It was never the case to drop out bottom 8!
Its a league and this was the test competition.
NeXT year Will be the real league!
You really Think they would pick out top 16 and drop half of them after one competiton?
Include 3 champions?
Look at bottom 3 and you realize how high the level was...
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For 2013 you got the chance....then the first league is finnished...
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And yea im really pissed about my battle result and dispointed of my qualic ranking!
NeXT up is the theatre...
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many other fsers deserve to be considered for the next stop like turlakov, mikolaj, clyde, gunther, john farnworth.......and bring 'crazy feet' too! :13: .....and only top 4 should remain for next stop on the tour imo. It will get boring seeing the same guys everytime.
That's just complete nonsense, lol.
BTW, for a competition like this, videos can't be your main criteria...
For 2013 you got the chance....then the first league is finnished...
I'm sure everyone thrilled about that. Luckily, RBSS is next year, hopefully WFS & Prague too, so people will have something to look forward too. :grin:
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If you do well in competitons like rbss and prague, you Will have spot for 2013 :)
Those who do bad in the league Will be removed.
In kuala lumpur nobody sucked :) hardest competiton ever i would say. And huge respect to Andrew for winning it!
He is the man to beat NeXT year :)
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If you do well in competitons like rbss and prague, you Will have spot for 2013 :)
Those who do bad in the league Will be removed.
In kuala lumpur nobody sucked :) hardest competiton ever i would say. And huge respect to Andrew for winning it!
He is the man to beat NeXT year :)
I'd say, before every event the worst 4 should be removed... and 4 new based on other competitions and videos should be in., I have no problem that a guy can go out of the system and into it at once, meaning that if he does great videos, is amazing in other competitions he can still be in.
If it is like 4 events every year many freestylers will think that they will have a chance, this will result in much more videos and the level in the competition will increase cause of the pressure.
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Videos Are stupid measure for level... Iv seen that many times in competitons... Not possible to compare it..
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If you change bottom 8 after every event the league will lose its structure.
Say for example someone had come in the top 3 for the first three events and then had a shocker in the fourth event and finished in the bottom 8. Which meant he dropped out even although he was in a good position to win the overall competition.
Excuse the comparison to football but it would be like man utd being relegated from the premiership after one bad result.
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If you change bottom 8 after every event the league will lose its structure.
Say for example someone had come in the top 3 for the first three events and then had a shocker in the fourth event and finished in the bottom 8. Which meant he dropped out even although he was in a good position to win the overall competition.
Excuse the comparison to football but it would be like man utd being relegated from the premiership after one bad result.
:iagree: this is a very good point.
I don't think a competition of this stature can be 100 percent successful first time round so I don't think we should expect TOO much in terms of it being exactly how we want it first time round. But like John said there are guys out there who are good enough to be in the 16 at this moment in time.
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Videos Are stupid measure for level... Iv seen that many times in competitons... Not possible to compare it..
so if a guy does fuckin amazing videos, but is not able to compete at any competitions should we all just ignore his skills and say; you havent compete so you cant be in WFFC...... thats not fair at all i would say, also competitions can be very unfair aswell.... weve seen that.
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Videos Are stupid measure for level... Iv seen that many times in competitons... Not possible to compare it..
so if a guy does fuckin amazing videos, but is not able to compete at any competitions should we all just ignore his skills and say; you havent compete so you cant be in WFFC...... thats not fair at all i would say, also competitions can be very unfair aswell.... weve seen that.
yes... if he is not able to compete at anything its not important for him... the plan is to make local competitions everywhere so that distanse is no escuse :) LP videos could be okay for showing skills...
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Videos Are stupid measure for level... Iv seen that many times in competitons... Not possible to compare it..
so if a guy does fuckin amazing videos, but is not able to compete at any competitions should we all just ignore his skills and say; you havent compete so you cant be in WFFC...... thats not fair at all i would say, also competitions can be very unfair aswell.... weve seen that.
yes... if he is not able to compete at anything its not important for him... the plan is to make local competitions everywhere so that distanse is no escuse :) LP videos could be okay for showing skills...
Azuuun, your cave has made you a philosopher :grin:
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Format of this competition is made similar to Formula One. The same players are playing whole league, are given points for every single competition and at the end of this last 8 are gonna be replaced by another one. Changing players every round will kill the TOUR/LEAGUE system. Me personaly thought the same like you that every round there will be 8 replacements but then I was explained and in spite is could sound unfaire to others it makes sense.
Plus we are considering point system for every single competition which is gonna happen like Prague, RBSS etc to get everyone successful closer to Tour (in case they are let by their parents unlike Skora´s parents)
Here are some words from headquarters:
- Before the tour starts next year - there are no big events that effectively would 'qualify' people to enter. So if no-one has any problems with how good the standard of the top 16 are this year, then it's only fair that they get to experience the whole tour concept first
- 1 year flies by! and for anyone thinking it's closing the door on them - then this is a very short term focus on just themselves. We have to think about the development of the sport as a whole here and the 16 we have selected are perfect ambassadors for that
- To relegate people after each event wouldn't make any sense - no consistency and then the sponsors / TV won't understand and therefore won't support
- On the issue of travel to events to get points etc... if we put everything 'on a plate'for people then there would be no challenge and also it shows a very poor awareness for self responsibility. If you personally know that by traveling to an event in Poland, not only will it be fun, but you will get points you need to push into the top 16 and then benefit from TV coverage, sponsorship etc, then you will find a way to get there...
- This is the first year - we will be learning as we go and all points people make are very welcome and will help make the model right.
So all points are welcome.
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Very good post and I agree with a lot of things, but if this is the case, the current 16 should've been more carefully selected, because:
1.) It was obvious that some aren't on the required level to compete at that level
2.) Some didn't even fulfill the "results in the past 3 years" criteria
So that means, you'll have guys who are not on the required level competing for another year...
Also, I'd advise 2 more judges being added, those which focus more on the technical performance. ;)
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I don't think anyone makes videos to show what they are 100% consistent at lol.
I'm pretty sure the point of a video is to show your hardest shit and what you've accomplished.
For me it shows your real level, because you are going as hard as you can.
I think people confuse freestyle with showmanship, freestyle is going as hard as you can. A live performance is to entertain a group of people who don't know shit about fs. Don't confuse them.
As for competitions go, some get nervous in front of people, does that mean we should disregard his eatw combos he showed in his last video?
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As for competitions go, some get nervous in front of people, does that mean we should disregard his eatw combos he showed in his last video?
What does it matter how good you are on video if you can't show even 30% of that when it matters?
The only thing a video you described can show is how good are you potentially, so to speak. The stuff you pull off when it actually matters is your "real" level, not the stuff you get on your cam after 50 attempts.
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The entire tour is going to be boring for anyone that actually follows freestyle other than those actually on the tour. The same 16 the entire time is going to insure that the same battles will happen too. Also, we can't have a new world champion every couple months. That's just silly. There could be 8 new world champions when this is done?
I think it should be organized with regional qualifiers: North America, South America, Europe(maybe split into 2 or 3 regions for that large of population), Asia(same as Europe), Africa, and Australia and surrounding countries. This would make it more of a world championship. They could still market this well in my opinion, but that would be the only fair way to realistically pick a top 16. The current competitions means paying for travel or just out of luck.
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It was my understanding that top 8 stayed bottom 8 were swapped. Therefore the real world champion was the one who had the highest average ranking over all the different locations.
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yeh its not gonna be a world champion at every event. this was a test run in KL
its gonna be a league and like TF said, after all 10 events or whatever, whoever is number 1 in the ranking will be world champ
therefore, 1 world champion per year
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I just wonder if someone knows, who is paying for this whole event? is it from sponsors, did dan wood win lottery? hw do they afford to ship all the players around the world and put them in nice hotels ect
also i hope Fx, artes or Rocco gets in next time :Woot_Emoticon:
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I just wonder if someone knows, who is paying for this whole event? is it from sponsors, did dan wood win lottery? hw do they afford to ship all the players around the world and put them in nice hotels ect
also i hope Fx, artes or Rocco gets in next time :Woot_Emoticon:
In every country there will be different sponsors. In Kuala Lumpur we were invited by the ministry of youth and sports.
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If you look closer to top 16 guys they are pocked from different parts of the world like South America, Africa, Asia and Australia. There was considered their reputation for past 3 years so I am pretty sure those are reasonable ambassadors to represent the scene on Tour.
There is gonna be only one World Champion after whole Tour with the most points and this competition will be called World Champ for sure since Prague is gonna be European Champ Open. So we have sorted out number of those champs for next years.
There are different sponsors in every city. As Daniel said we had Malaysian ministry this time + Double Tree hotel gave us some free rooms, TM company and many more local or international sponsors like One Football World and local TV. So everything was perfectly arranged thanx to local team which made wonderful job.
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Well if kuala lumpur was only a test run, you should be able to improve some things for example weak freestylers. it is obvious that there are some freestylers who can easily be replaced by 10 times better ones so why dont you do that if this was just a test?
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Well if kuala lumpur was only a test run, you should be able to improve some things for example weak freestylers. it is obvious that there are some freestylers who can easily be replaced by 10 times better ones so why dont you do that if this was just a test?
Nobody is 10times better then bottom 8 from kuala lumpur...
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Since we're already on the subject, which new faces would you like to see in the competition?
I'll start: Skóra, FX, Rocco, Yamato, Yosshi, maybe Rocky, MS & Artes
are you serious? rocky?? he got selected for kl and diddent go and diddent let anyone know he could not go, he turned his cellphone off, closed his fb for a couple of weeks and did not reply to any of the hundreds of messages colombian freestylers sent him, if anyone in colombia desserves to go to kl its crasso not rocky who imo does not desserve a "third in the world" ranking either because he simply is nowhere near that but he won over the crowd with a big dramatic story which turned out to be half lies (made up by the media and rbss i dont think it was rocky himself who said that stuff) dont get me wrong though he is a nice guy and we never exchanged anything but kind words, im just talking about it from a freestyle point of view. as for the tour i think changing at least 4 would have kept the competition fresh and exiting and would have given a chance to a lot of guys who desserve it, the keeping the same 16 sounds extremelly boring on paper and we all know there are guys who arent good enough to be there but we will have to wait and see what happens, rbss is next year so that is something to look forward to
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I said MAYBE, relax, lol.
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Well if kuala lumpur was only a test run, you should be able to improve some things for example weak freestylers. it is obvious that there are some freestylers who can easily be replaced by 10 times better ones so why dont you do that if this was just a test?
Nobody is 10times better then bottom 8 from kuala lumpur...
Oh i am sorry it was only 7,5 times, calculator is broken;)
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Well if kuala lumpur was only a test run, you should be able to improve some things for example weak freestylers. it is obvious that there are some freestylers who can easily be replaced by 10 times better ones so why dont you do that if this was just a test?
Nobody is 10times better then bottom 8 from kuala lumpur...
Oh i am sorry it was only 7,5 times, calculator is broken;)
hahahaha
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plenty of time to perfect your skills - lucky 16 next year will tour, after that I am sure the hunger for a spot will be interesting.