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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Max on Sep 19, 2011, 08:16: AM
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What is your opinion? Which competition is the real world championship?
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Or Petike? (MOTG World Championship)
Or Azun? (rbss)
I'd say Azun because rbss was the only competition where almost everyone in the world had a fair chance to compete, unlike other competitions.
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Xixo
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the leve and the judges is this year competition dosnt compere at all to last year rbss so i think that skora andrew szimo and gautier are the top freestylers this year so far
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Hmmm, it's an interesting question. For me personally, Szymo is the one who has the strongest case at claiming to be 'the best'. Prague was run by freestylers, for freestylers so for me, it is the most credible competition freestyle has got. However, Andrew also has every reason to call himself the world champion seeing as he has now won the first 'official' world championship.
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I'd say Azun because rbss was the only competition where almost everyone in the world had a fair chance to compete, unlike other competitions.
I agree.
I don't know how the other freestylers got chosen but in Australia we had a competition to see who goes through. Was it like that in other countries?
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Easy!, we have 4 world champions,,,, like Boxing, there are 3 or 4 organizations, with a world champion in each one.
Azun.
Petike.
Szymo.
Andrew.
For me the 4 are the real world champions! :039:
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me? never jajaj wtf gu? jajaja!
szymo. is a true that ricky mentionated.
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we are all world champions in the heart and professional football freestylers <3
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Easy!, we have 4 world champions,,,, like Boxing, there are 3 or 4 organizations, with a world champion in each one.
Azun.
Petike.
Szymo.
Andrew.
For me the 4 are the real world champions! :039:
This is a pretty good answer and I agree. Just like you have boxing federations (IBF, WBO, WBA, WBC) and each has its own title, you have various "world championships" in FS - RBSS, MOTG, Prague, WFFC... Which is pretty ridiculous IMO, but I guess every major comp ATM is a "world championship". :grin:
But mind you, this wasn't a single competition, but just the first stop of the WFFC tour (which makes the whole charade even more ridiculous), so we have yet to see who'll be the overall winner. ;)
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Azun. Andrew. Szymo.
I knw Petike is a good freestyler but i cant call him world champion, was a really dodgy tournament he played in, MOTG. And if he versed FX again he would get killed again.
Azun is the main champion though since rbss has most participation.
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Imo RBSS is the hardest to win and everybody was participating, so for me Azun is the champion of champions.
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Easy!, we have 4 world champions,,,, like Boxing, there are 3 or 4 organizations, with a world champion in each one.
Azun.
Petike.
Szymo.
Andrew.
For me the 4 are the real world champions! :039:
I agree too
let's see who'll take all 4 next time :Woot_Emoticon:
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Imo opinion it is szymo since this competition has the most credible jury and everbody was able to participate. Lmao if you compare rbss to prague and kuala kumpur.
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LOL, why is everyone agreeing with Ricky. the divisions in boxing came after boxing's golden age. (1970's) when Muhammad Ali's career finished and boxing's downfall started. plus the boxing divisions formed over 3 decades and we already have so many. do you think this will stop?
I agree more with TF's answer. for freestylers by freestylers.
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RBSS is also an open competition Max. Prague did have the most credible jury, but it also wasn't a real world championship. It was basically only Europe (almost the same like last year), without any notable freestylers from outside of Europe, so you can't compare Prague to RBSS in that regard.
Each of the competitions is specific and hard to win, so it's pointless to compare them and argue which is the "real" world championship. The closest to a real world championship is still RBSS, whether you like it or not.
Each has their own title, there's no "real" world champion.
Hmmm, it's an interesting question. For me personally, Szymo is the one who has the strongest case at claiming to be 'the best'. Prague was run by freestylers, for freestylers so for me, it is the most credible competition freestyle has got. However, Andrew also has every reason to call himself the world champion seeing as he has now won the first 'official' world championship.
1. How was this one "official"?
2. It was only the first stop, he didn't win the overall title yet.
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i know we cant call anyone the official world champion i just wanted to hear your opinion who is for you the world champion. and for me rbss is nowhere near to a real competition. jury is shit and the whole event has a shitty spirit for a competition.
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Azun of course.
Almost everyone had a chance to compete here.
And yea, the finals might not have been the best level, if you compare to the one in Kuala Lumpur and Prague, but Skora, Michryc, Szymo and all the others were beat by Luki, so you cant complain about the level.. everyone had a chance.
This one i Kuala Lumpur is imo not at world championship, since they just picked 16 and we all know, that there are some of them who really shouldnt be considered top 16 in the world.
Those competitions is a lot about contacts and fame.
For me Azun is the WC!
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Azun of course.
Almost everyone had a chance to compete here.
And yea, the finals might not have been the best level, if you compare to the one in Kuala Lumpur and Prague, but Skora, Michryc, Szymo and all the others were beat by Luki, so you cant complain about the level.. everyone had a chance.
This one i Kuala Lumpur is imo not at world championship, since they just picked 16 and we all know, that there are some of them who really shouldnt be considered top 16 in the world.
Those competitions is a lot about contacts and fame.
For me Azun is the WC!
brilliant post
speaking of kuala lumpur - no doubt some of those 16 who were picked - are by far not the top freestylers
for example - with all respect to gautier what achievement gave him a trip to kuala lumpur - what title does he hold and what comp did he win before?
freestyle football becomes more money oriented - f3 does a good job with promoting freestyle, but what they do even better is making money on freestylers themselves
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i know we cant call anyone the official world champion i just wanted to hear your opinion who is for you the world champion. and for me rbss is nowhere near to a real competition. jury is shit and the whole event has a shitty spirit for a competition.
That's the best argument you've got? That the jury is shit? lol
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Would be nice to put a point system in place between these 4 competitions. Since all are so close in competitiveness, I'd give the same amount of points for each.
The only problem is if someone didn't participate in all of them. Maybe you can do an average point system and see who's at the top overall.
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Hmm intresting topic.... Can we call Andrew the world champion? Maybe you can say like this: Before was Sean the best (rbss) then (azun) (rbss) then szymo (praug) And now Andrew cause he won the latest big competition. Cause I mean it's a big diffrent from the level 2010 in South Africa and the competition in Praug. The level get higher and higher... But yeah it's an intresting topic..
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I would say like this, everyone of Andrew, Szymo, Azun and Petike are worldchampions.
But they don't have the same "worldchampion title". Szymo won prague this year, and then got the title for the next years prague competition. Azun have the RBSS world champion title and will have it to the next RBSS..
Etc... Hope you understand me, no offence to anyone, sorry for bad english!
peace!
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i know we cant call anyone the official world champion i just wanted to hear your opinion who is for you the world champion. and for me rbss is nowhere near to a real competition. jury is shit and the whole event has a shitty spirit for a competition.
nowhere near?
jury is shit?
In SA we got freestylers as judges in the qualification, because we wanted that... Shit jury?
Having 3 different persons to judge the finals is a good thing, otherwise it all might be judged on friendship between freestylers.
I dont really get why you are complaining about rbss.. everyone is running almost the same system with the battles. only different is the shitty ball, but hey, its the same for everyone and everyone got time to practice with it.
I love the work Lucaso puts into all this stuff and Prague is a cool competition, but I dont think you really can call it the World Championship, since not everyone is having the chance.. I mean make a competition in Argentina and see how many Europeans will show up.
No offence to Lucaso.. I love this guy and love the work he puts into all these things.
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i know we cant call anyone the official world champion i just wanted to hear your opinion who is for you the world champion. and for me rbss is nowhere near to a real competition. jury is shit and the whole event has a shitty spirit for a competition.
That's the best argument you've got? That the jury is shit? lol
well the jury decides who is world champion so it is a very important part imo! and if you take a look at the jury in some countries (you saw it in germany) rbss is really a joke. plus the whole entertainment thing in rbss is useless for a competition. you dont see that in other competitions.
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None of those were World Championships. closest one is RBSS, because it is WORLD WIDE Competition.
All 4 are just competitions, they want more attention so they call it "World Champs".
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plus italy didn't join the rbss last year
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we are all world champions in the heart and professional football freestylers <3
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plus italy didn't join the rbss last year
but thats the same as saying Peru, New Zealand, China, Ghana, Paraguay, Denmark didnt particpate in Prague og Kuala Lumpur.
I know everyone just could have showed up in Prague, but not everyone has money to go there, especially people from America and similar places.
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forget RBSS... it didnt have freestylers in the judging panel and this IMMEDIATELY puts it in 3rd place behind Kuala Lumpur and Prague.
MOTG in Dubai had a shitty judging panel too and not many freestylers competed although i thought Petike killed everyone there and has the right to call himself world champion too
Prague is the most credible imo.. Over 60 or 70 competitors, open competition, most credible judges, and 100% by freestylers for freestylers.
Kuala Lumpur was also good. Pretty good judges and great organization, as well as 16 top freestylers.
I'd say the main world champions right now are andrew and szymo
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yes andrew and szymo!
and argentina no participate too.
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None of those were World Championships. closest one is RBSS, because it is WORLD WIDE Competition.
All 4 are just competitions, they want more attention so they call it "World Champs".
This is what I was thinking too. Good post.
The only thing coming out of any of the winners of the competition should be "I came first in XXXXX" and not "I'm the world champion in football freestyle".
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This is a really good thread and well all of them are world champions, but the most likely competition to want i undeerstand as World Championship is RBSS no doubt... maybe in prague there were a lot of really good freestylers more than 70 as Dan said, 20 of poland, 20 of france, 10 from england (just making up) but the numbers are really similar to that... RBSS give a fair chance to all the freestylers to claim the championship of they countries, the thing here is that most freestylers have a really blind way to see freestyle... just technical. Not even in break dance, motocross, soccer, basketball or any sport the top sports who doesn't count the show part of the game... Michel Jordan, C. Ronaldo, Djokovic, etc give show to their games... i consider Prague is the most technical freestyle competition in the world by far (by freestylers for freestylers), MOTG was marketing to the sport which is really good and the level wasn't bad there were some nice moves than some freestylers showed, spetially Asians, KL was based in show as Charly told me, they said that the comp wasnt for show hardcore skills, the comp was for Malaysian TV and they stick to the show, also RBSS is a show competition but they give fair chances to everybody... so for RBSS all the way ;)
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How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion?? The judges are more interested in show and entertainment than in anything else how can that be a fair competition? A competition should be about being the best and not about being the best entertainer. I cant believe some of you really think rbss is a more credible competition. In rbss you dont even have the chance to compete if there is no rbss qualifier in your country like italy or argentina. In prague everybody is allowed to compete plus the judges are hundred times better than in rbss.
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I have to agree with max, rbss seemed to be total bs. Azun did win, which I am happy about, but there were just too many unfair battles! Off the top of my head, I can't remember clearly but faruk I think, lost to someone and it was quite unfair. Prague seems the most valid to me, cuz it was all freestyle related. Even though a bunch of freestylers didn't go, I think it was still a pretty big event, so it's the most valid imo
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Szymo ofc. most fair tournament by far,
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I like the idea of having more than 1 world champion, freestyle is too full of opinions to have one world champion. Then again we could have someone win RBSS and Prague and they would be the 'Pound For Pound World Undisputed Champion' lol
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How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion?? the judges are more interested in show and entertainment than in anything else how can that be a fair competition? A competition should be about being the best and not about being the best entertainer. I cant believe some of you really think rbss is a more credible competition. In rbss you dont even have the chance to compete if there is no rbss qualifier in your country like italy or argentina. In prague everybody is allowed to compete plus the judges are hundred times better than in rbss.
Yea, you're right! Look who won.
Did the Prague competition have people from all over the world or was it mainly Europe? Sure, everyone can compete but not everyone has the time or money to travel where as rbss tickets were paid for.
How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
How can you even say Prague gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
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I am sure people from Italy or Argentina could have showed up in other countries, or people like Charly should have wrote to RBSS about representing Argentina.. dunno if he tried, but I know Wass got in for Algeria on a wildcard.
Just have showen up in another country like Graeson did and won.
Prague is more of a European Championship if you ask me, since its almost only Europeans who participate.
There will always be wierd decisions by judges and that goes for every single competition.
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How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion?? the judges are more interested in show and entertainment than in anything else how can that be a fair competition? A competition should be about being the best and not about being the best entertainer. I cant believe some of you really think rbss is a more credible competition. In rbss you dont even have the chance to compete if there is no rbss qualifier in your country like italy or argentina. In prague everybody is allowed to compete plus the judges are hundred times better than in rbss.
Yea, you're right! Look who won.
Did the Prague competition have people from all over the world or was it mainly Europe? Sure, everyone can compete but not everyone has the time or money to travel where as rbss tickets were paid for.
How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
How can you even say Prague gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
I am tired of arguing with you. you seem to generally have the opinion of the minority and try to swim against the tide. and as i allready said not everybody was able to compete in rbss or did you see charly and gunther there? and to the argument that azun won in rbss: one fair decision and like 100 unfair decisions in other battles is a fair competition for you?
maybe you should see what happened in german rbss:
FLoo vs Dominik.MOD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nag-r6Ao22M#)
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The way things are going I would say there will be a competition where everyone can compete down the line in some years, I am hoping that a competition like Prague will grow and gain enough public interest for companies to sponsor freestylers to go from Japan, Australia, USA, Brasil etc.
Obviously it's a long way off but I can see that happening one day soon. I guess it works like that in other sports. There's never gonna be a perfect world championship where everyone can enter and compete, that's just not realistic is it. Say for example Szymo won a competition and was considered world champion for a year then the competition rolls around and whoops he has broke his leg, people are gonna be saying yeah but Szymo couldn't compete so I wouldn't call so and so the new world champion.
Silly example but you know what I mean there will always be nay sayers. Anyway my opinion at this moment in time is do we even need one official world champion, we already know who the best guys are as freestylers in our community a world champion isn't really needed. It's more of a thing to make the sport more credible from the outside point of view.
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How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion?? the judges are more interested in show and entertainment than in anything else how can that be a fair competition? A competition should be about being the best and not about being the best entertainer. I cant believe some of you really think rbss is a more credible competition. In rbss you dont even have the chance to compete if there is no rbss qualifier in your country like italy or argentina. In prague everybody is allowed to compete plus the judges are hundred times better than in rbss.
Yea, you're right! Look who won.
Did the Prague competition have people from all over the world or was it mainly Europe? Sure, everyone can compete but not everyone has the time or money to travel where as rbss tickets were paid for.
How can you even say rbss gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
How can you even say Prague gives you a fair chance to be the world champion??
I am tired of arguing with you. you seem to generally have the opinion of the minority and try to swim against the tide. and as i allready said not everybody was able to compete in rbss or did you see charly and gunther there? and to the argument that azun won in rbss: one fair decision and like 100 unfair decisions in other battles is a fair competition for you?
maybe you should see what happened in german rbss:
FLoo vs Dominik.MOD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nag-r6Ao22M#)
The same with Prague, as I mentioned earlier.
As for the video:1 guys had 3 rounds the other had 2 rounds, there was a mistake in the time, I'm sure Floo would have won if he had an extra round but Dominik had 3 rounds, if each round has a maximum of 10 points and scored an average of 7 points, his score would still be higher than if Floo got 10 for both rounds.
This is a problem of the timing, not the judges decision.
Edit:Max didn't understand so I made a space between the post.
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cant believe how retarded you are. luckily i wont ever meet you:)
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Holy shit, Flo got fucked in that one. He was miles better. Dominik was shit to be honest. Terrible judging. :crazy:
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We are the champions! :bf:
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What about another name in the ring.
Sean won the beach style comp in Dubai. Looks like we have 5 WCs. :great:
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Szandrew:-D
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Szandrew:-D
:043: hahaha :P
agree with max. RBSS tells you to please crowd, take clothes off, do freestyle with monta crap, fashion/interiror designers judge the competition (as in my country). i know its great promotion of freestyle. but kinda unfair to the roots of freestyle.
agree with bigmac too, things are not in our control and too unrealistic to agree on one single championship here.
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Considering the fact that freestyle changes so fast and freestylers quickly drop off or come up, I would actually look at the most recent events. RBSS is too old... over a year old now and whoever did well then might not be at the top anymore. Azun is still very good, but I'd pay more attention to the winners at Praque and WFFC.
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Max, your quote in my opinion helped my point of view :P
you said that RBSS want the best enterteiner, and everybody knows is true, you and me know that... now I wonder why you dont try tobe more enterteining a comp which demand that???
When you prepare yourself to go to Prague competition you work really hard in lowerbody and all the other styles in the technic way... when you're going to participate in RBSS you have to ask what the demand... In my opinion and I wrote that in a thread I think Miran made up after RBSS I commented really angry because people were complaining Azun's won, when all they want was a big airmoves name claiming the championship, and I remember I said: Azun won because Davids cheated Andrew Henderson, I've not seen the battle between Andrew and Szymo in Prague but I'm completly sure it was really tough and in the end the decision and preferences of the judges made the diference. So Andrew should won RBSS, with some luck Prague (maybe, I'm just making it up) and now KL comp...
And if you still think RBSS is not fair and give chances to everybody and have no more argues to you :(
Even when I think Andrew deserved to win in SA, Azun did an awesome job and he is also a real champion
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Max, your quote in my opinion helped my point of view :P
you said that RBSS want the best enterteiner, and everybody knows is true, you and me know that... now I wonder why you dont try tobe more enterteining a comp which demand that???
When you prepare yourself to go to Prague competition you work really hard in lowerbody and all the other styles in the technic way... when you're going to participate in RBSS you have to ask what the demand... In my opinion and I wrote that in a thread I think Miran made up after RBSS I commented really angry because people were complaining Azun's won, when all they want was a big airmoves name claiming the championship, and I remember I said: Azun won because Davids cheated Andrew Henderson, I've not seen the battle between Andrew and Szymo in Prague but I'm completly sure it was really tough and in the end the decision and preferences of the judges made the diference. So Andrew should won RBSS, with some luck Prague (maybe, I'm just making it up) and now KL comp...
And if you still think RBSS is not fair and give chances to everybody and have no more argues to you :(
Even when I think Andrew deserved to win in SA, Azun did an awesome job and he is also a real champion
Because they claim to be the football freestyle world championships and the world championships shouldnt be about entertaining. maybe a tiny bit but not as much as rbss wants us to. and i never took anything away from azun, he is an amazing freestyler. and yes i still think that rbss is an unfair competition since you didnt give me any argument to proove me wrong.
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World Champion is not something you are, but something you can become..
True Champions keep on going... For more.
Congrats to Andrew! Who ever disagree on him as winner of the final can just remove himself from freestyle ;)
Cu you all next year.
The true Norwegian is going back to his cave in the moutains...
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World Champion is not something you are, but something you can become..
True Champions keep on going... For more.
Congrats to Andrew! Who ever disagree on him as winner of the final can just remove himself from freestyle ;)
Cu you all next year.
the true Norwegian is going back to his cave in the moutains...
hahaha fucking epic post bro
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World Champion is not something you are, but something you can become..
True Champions keep on going... For more.
Congrats to Andrew! Who ever disagree on him as winner of the final can just remove himself from freestyle ;)
Cu you all next year.
the true Norwegian is going back to his cave in the moutains...
:great:
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Max, your quote in my opinion helped my point of view :P
you said that RBSS want the best enterteiner, and everybody knows is true, you and me know that... now I wonder why you dont try tobe more enterteining a comp which demand that???
When you prepare yourself to go to Prague competition you work really hard in lowerbody and all the other styles in the technic way... when you're going to participate in RBSS you have to ask what the demand... In my opinion and I wrote that in a thread I think Miran made up after RBSS I commented really angry because people were complaining Azun's won, when all they want was a big airmoves name claiming the championship, and I remember I said: Azun won because Davids cheated Andrew Henderson, I've not seen the battle between Andrew and Szymo in Prague but I'm completly sure it was really tough and in the end the decision and preferences of the judges made the diference. So Andrew should won RBSS, with some luck Prague (maybe, I'm just making it up) and now KL comp...
And if you still think RBSS is not fair and give chances to everybody and have no more argues to you :(
Even when I think Andrew deserved to win in SA, Azun did an awesome job and he is also a real champion
Because they claim to be the football freestyle world championships and the world championships shouldnt be about entertaining. maybe a tiny bit but not as much as rbss wants us to. and i never took anything away from azun, he is an amazing freestyler. and yes i still think that rbss is an unfair competition since you didnt give me any argument to proove me wrong.
My argue was: Prague "demand" hardcore, RBSS "demand" show. Show freestylers has no chance to win in Prague, but harcore freestylers actually have chances to win rbss (Azun). If you want a fair chance in rbss u know what to do ;) and if you don't want to be a quite more entertaining freestyler you shouldn't try to participate in this comp because your hances are minimal. Everybody now how they can have more chances to win RBSS it's your choice to make it or not, so for me it's fair, same as the other comps.
does my argue is clear now??
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Max, your quote in my opinion helped my point of view :P
you said that RBSS want the best enterteiner, and everybody knows is true, you and me know that... now I wonder why you dont try tobe more enterteining a comp which demand that???
When you prepare yourself to go to Prague competition you work really hard in lowerbody and all the other styles in the technic way... when you're going to participate in RBSS you have to ask what the demand... In my opinion and I wrote that in a thread I think Miran made up after RBSS I commented really angry because people were complaining Azun's won, when all they want was a big airmoves name claiming the championship, and I remember I said: Azun won because Davids cheated Andrew Henderson, I've not seen the battle between Andrew and Szymo in Prague but I'm completly sure it was really tough and in the end the decision and preferences of the judges made the diference. So Andrew should won RBSS, with some luck Prague (maybe, I'm just making it up) and now KL comp...
And if you still think RBSS is not fair and give chances to everybody and have no more argues to you :(
Even when I think Andrew deserved to win in SA, Azun did an awesome job and he is also a real champion
Because they claim to be the football freestyle world championships and the world championships shouldnt be about entertaining. maybe a tiny bit but not as much as rbss wants us to. and i never took anything away from azun, he is an amazing freestyler. and yes i still think that rbss is an unfair competition since you didnt give me any argument to proove me wrong.
My argue was: Prague "demand" hardcore, RBSS "demand" show. Show freestylers has no chance to win in Prague, but harcore freestylers actually have chances to win rbss (Azun). If you want a fair chance in rbss u know what to do ;) and if you don't want to be a quite more entertaining freestyler you shouldn't try to participate in this comp because your hances are minimal. Everybody now how they can have more chances to win RBSS it's your choice to make it or not, so for me it's fair, same as the other comps.
does my argue is clear now??
yes i understood that. but do you really think a competition should be about entertainment skills? its just natural that hardcore freestylers win the competitions?! they are doing the harder stuff so they are the better freestylers and they should be called world champions.
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
^^ yes.
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
In rbss only those who live in a right country can participate.
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
In rbss only those who live in a right country can participate.
There was lots of opportunities to go to a close European country. Besides, the amount of people that could participate in RBSS is MUCH more than those who could participate in any other competition.
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I think clyde is as much world champion as Szymo, since he won the routines in prague just as Szymo did win battles !
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
In rbss only those who live in a right country can participate.
Borg, både Szymo, Skora, Clyde, Michryc og alle de andre deltog i RBSS.. Luki slog dem ud. Konkurrencen har været lige så stor, hvis du ser turneringen som helhed. Hvis du ikke kan vinde derhjemme, kan du heller ikke vinde titlen som verdensmester.
Der holder dit argument ikke rigtig ;)
Ved godt finalen i SA ikke var den sværeste, hvis du ser hvem der var med, men næsten alle har deltaget i deres eget land, lige udover dem som ikke havde RBSS og så vidst jeg ved er det kun Italien, Argentina, Kina og Korea, som ville have haft nogen chance.
Du kan nemt sige at Prag er en åbent konkurrence for alle.. det er det også, men folk fra Argentina, Brasilien og lignende har jo ikke en chance for at deltage, når de selv skal betale det hele.
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I think Prague is the hardest freestyle competition to win, therefore Szymo is the world champion in my opinion. Everyone can participate, not just one freestyler from each country like rbss. Look at poland, they have 5 or more freestylers who can potentially win in prague, or rbss for that matter. In rbss last year, only Luki went to the finals in SA, but that could just aswell have been Szymo, Skora, Clyde and Mitchryc etc. In prague all those freestylers can compete, and the jury is actual freestylers. That makes the competition much harder to win, look at the results in prague last year 3 freestylers in top 4 was from poland, this year another 3 freestylers from poland was among the 4 best.
Everyone with money
In rbss only those who live in a right country can participate.
Borg, både Szymo, Skora, Clyde, Michryc og alle de andre deltog i RBSS.. Luki slog dem ud. Konkurrencen har været lige så stor, hvis du ser turneringen som helhed. Hvis du ikke kan vinde derhjemme, kan du heller ikke vinde titlen som verdensmester.
Der holder dit argument ikke rigtig ;)
Ved godt finalen i SA ikke var den sværeste, hvis du ser hvem der var med, men næsten alle har deltaget i deres eget land, lige udover dem som ikke havde RBSS og så vidst jeg ved er det kun Italien, Argentina, Kina og Korea, som ville have haft nogen chance.
Du kan nemt sige at Prag er en åbent konkurrence for alle.. det er det også, men folk fra Argentina, Brasilien og lignende har jo ikke en chance for at deltage, når de selv skal betale det hele.
Det er rigtigt nok, men hvis du ser på rbss ved dommerne jo ikke noget om freestyle, hvilket betyder de laver forkerte beslutninger. At vinde i Prag er meget sværere end at vinde rbss, niveauet er også klart højere, og dommerne er selv freestylere. Tror heller ikke der var nogen som ikke kom, der ville have en chance for at vinde i Prag i år.
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you would hate being at an international meet lol
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but isnt the same routines that battles... imo.
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you would hate being at an international meet lol
Or I would like to understand what they're saying to me..there's no real use in responding to me in a language I don't understand. :crazy:
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It was a joke
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It was a joke
I want international forums here!!! One for Spanish, Polish, and Chinese maybe.
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you would hate being at an international meet lol
Or I would like to understand what they're saying to me..there's no real use in responding to me in a language I don't understand. :crazy:
why dont you use google translate :crazy:
Because it comes out broken...And I shouldn't have to go through all the trouble if both people already know English and can type in English very well.
Borg, både Szymo, Skora, Clyde, Michryc og alle de andre deltog i RBSS.. Luki slog dem ud. Konkurrencen har været lige så stor, hvis du ser turneringen som helhed. Hvis du ikke kan vinde derhjemme, kan du heller ikke vinde titlen som verdensmester.
Der holder dit argument ikke rigtig ;)
Ved godt finalen i SA ikke var den sværeste, hvis du ser hvem der var med, men næsten alle har deltaget i deres eget land, lige udover dem som ikke havde RBSS og så vidst jeg ved er det kun Italien, Argentina, Kina og Korea, som ville have haft nogen chance.
Du kan nemt sige at Prag er en åbent konkurrence for alle.. det er det også, men folk fra Argentina, Brasilien og lignende har jo ikke en chance for at deltage, når de selv skal betale det hele.
Det er rigtigt nok, men hvis du ser på rbss ved dommerne jo ikke noget om freestyle, hvilket betyder de laver forkerte beslutninger. At vinde i Prag er meget sværere end at vinde rbss, niveauet er også klart højere, og dommerne er selv freestylere. Tror heller ikke der var nogen som ikke kom, der ville have en chance for at vinde i Prag i år.
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In Poland, only PFFA has the rights to organise OFFICIAL polish championships, it's written in our status, so the one that wins a tournament like this is the OFFICIAL polish champion. RBSS i MOTG are commercial tournaments, with a huge sponsor and it's title and no federation has anything to do with those tournaments, so you can't call them official championships (RBSS was an open competition though). I don't have any clue about F3's status, but if they're registered legally as an world wide federation, then they have all rights reserved to organize official world championships - if I'm right, they organized the prague tournament together with czech federation, so for me the official world champion is Szymo.
As far as I know, KL contest was a part of tournee organized by F3 - there are 9 more coming up (only the top 8 from KL are sure to be a part of the next contest, the rest will be chosen according to their achievements) - the person with the biggest amount of points from all of the 10 contests will be the official world champion.
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if you dont like using google translate maybe go learn danish or fuck off...everyone in the world shouldnt have to be forced to learn our language without us learning theirs
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In Poland, only PFFA has the rights to organise OFFICIAL polish championships, it's written in our status, so the one that wins a tournament like this is the OFFICIAL polish champion. RBSS i MOTG are commercial tournaments, with a huge sponsor and it's title and no federation has anything to do with those tournaments, so you can't call them official championships (RBSS was an open competition though). I don't have any clue about F3's status, but if they're registered legally as an world wide federation, then they have all rights reserved to organize official world championships - if I'm right, they organized the prague tournament together with czech federation, so for me the official world champion is Szymo.
As far as I know, KL contest was a part of tournee organized by F3 - there are 9 more coming up (only the top 8 from KL are sure to be a part of the next contest, the rest will be chosen according to their achievements) - the person with the biggest amount of points from all of the 10 contests will be the official world champion.
Good post.
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In Poland, only PFFA has the rights to organise OFFICIAL polish championships, it's written in our status, so the one that wins a tournament like this is the OFFICIAL polish champion. RBSS i MOTG are commercial tournaments, with a huge sponsor and it's title and no federation has anything to do with those tournaments, so you can't call them official championships (RBSS was an open competition though). I don't have any clue about F3's status, but if they're registered legally as an world wide federation, then they have all rights reserved to organize official world championships - if I'm right, they organized the prague tournament together with czech federation, so for me the official world champion is Szymo.
As far as I know, KL contest was a part of tournee organized by F3 - there are 9 more coming up (only the top 8 from KL are sure to be a part of the next contest, the rest will be chosen according to their achievements) - the person with the biggest amount of points from all of the 10 contests will be the official world champion.
Good post.
agree, good post, but even when (at least for me) Prague was the high leveled competition this year, it's still an European Championship, I have a huge respect for Daniel Wood, Lucaso and Mat from Styllball because they have done an amazing job organizing some of the best comps. Only RBSS include people of most countries of the globe into one place after a qualifier....
ven when Bov is right when he said that Poland always have the most freestylers in best spots in the top competitions (3 at least lol crazy polish) Brazil and Argentina have lot of sick football players and they have to chose few for competitions, also in break dance there are some countries with the highest level and they choose few to represent countries.
Max I know what you mean about the one who does the hardest stuff have to be the winner, but you also have to remember that our sports was an art before it become in what it is now and o agree in the fact that the technical skills have to be qualified with more points, BUT, the art part of our SPORT actually makes the difference between other sports is the essence of what we do (in my opinion). Sean is to much of hand and sometimes he goes to much to the "art" side, but also isnt good the fact of being just hardcore in comps, the prove of it are Gunther and Mirko, DomyDB as well... OMG that guys are like gods, but if they win comps like Prague and RBSS then we will have to plumber about create a new sport named "lowair freestyle" LMAO... peace to all hope you understand my bad english
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have you seen gunther mirko or domybd winning any big competition? no. because as you said they are only hardcore in lowers. but you can be hardcore in every style like szymo and andrew prove. Also Baruzdin showed how you can be hardcore in sitdowns and turlakov bengau luki showed how you can be hardcore in uppers.
Plus how do you want to judge art? art is a matter of taste and you cant meassure that so it shouldnt be part of competitions. Maybe you mean originality by creating your own moves, this is judgeable but not by breakdancers or footballers. you need a quality jury to judge that and we had that in prague. Plus you might not know that andrew is like one of the most creative freestylers around.
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nobody needs to accept F3 as the official world federation if they dont want to. for me to accept an official federation the president and members ALL need to be ex-freestylers or freestylers, and i want to be involved in the election process.
and I dont want competitions about Rio Ferdinand to be on the official world freestyle federations facebook page
this isnt any offence to F3, i understand what theyre doing is making freestyle more commercially viable and they did a fuckin AWESOME job in Kuala Lumpur (its hugely important to start a world championship tour exactly like theyre doing and i hope it goes really well), im just saying that for me, nobody will ever be an official world freestyle governing body until its run completely by freestylers and doesnt market freestyle as a by-product of football
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nobody needs to accept F3 as the official world federation if they dont want to. for me to accept an official federation the president and members ALL need to be ex-freestylers or freestylers, and i want to be involved in the election process.
and I dont want competitions about Rio Ferdinand to be on the official world freestyle federations facebook page
this isnt any offence to F3, i understand what theyre doing is making freestyle more commercially viable and they did a fuckin AWESOME job in Kuala Lumpur (its hugely important to start a world championship tour exactly like theyre doing and i hope it goes really well), im just saying that for me, nobody will ever be an official world freestyle governing body until its run completely by freestylers and doesnt market freestyle as a by-product of football
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have you seen gunther mirko or domybd winning any big competition? no. because as you said they are only hardcore in lowers. but you can be hardcore in every style like szymo and andrew prove. Also Baruzdin showed how you can be hardcore in sitdowns and turlakov bengau luki showed how you can be hardcore in uppers.
Plus how do you want to judge art? art is a matter of taste and you cant meassure that so it shouldnt be part of competitions. Maybe you mean originality by creating your own moves, this is judgeable but not by breakdancers or footballers. you need a quality jury to judge that and we had that in prague. Plus you might not know that andrew is like one of the most creative freestylers around.
that's what I meant , I think is clear, I just put art as a way of view.
Well I know all what you said about Szymo and Andrew, specially Andrew have an awesome creativity! And what I'm trying to say and I think I'm not expressing myself properly is that Andrew and Szymo has proved that you don't have extremely hardcore to win a comp... Also you dont have to be a genius to see who have more control... less drops more control, also more control of your body (style) is part of this criteria. Creativity, the one who makes different tricks or not repeat tricks of other contestants (the biting thing is funny but everyone who does a patw, satw or eatw are biting, of course is hard to do that kind of tricks instead of a carousel but at the end is biting), so do unussual or different tricks from the others is creativity.
For me it would be better if in RBSS they qualify Control(Style), Originality and Difficulty.
for the difficulty criteria you must need an actual freestyler, maybe in originality also (even a non freestyler can see the difference between Michryc, Kamalio, Gauthier, Séan compared to freestylers that only "bite" regular stuff), but control???
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if you dont like using google translate maybe go learn danish or fuck off...everyone in the world shouldnt have to be forced to learn our language without us learning theirs
Dumb post. English is used all over the world, how many countries use Danish?
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if you dont like using google translate maybe go learn danish or fuck off...everyone in the world shouldnt have to be forced to learn our language without us learning theirs
Dumb post. English is used all over the world, how many countries use Danish?
Denmark and the Faroe Islands!
#payingattentioninushistoryfinallypayedoff
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if you dont like using google translate maybe go learn danish or fuck off...everyone in the world shouldnt have to be forced to learn our language without us learning theirs
Dumb post. English is used all over the world, how many countries use Danish?
Denmark and the Faroe Islands!
#payingattentioninushistoryfinallypayedoff
...why did you learn about Danish speaking countries in US History?
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Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!
Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.
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Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!
Wise words from a not very wise man
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And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:
RBSS AUSTRIA FINAL [HD] ''Martin Schopf vs Faruk Onmaz'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28TWBOfw9E#ws)
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And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:
RBSS AUSTRIA FINAL [HD] ''Martin Schopf vs Faruk Onmaz'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28TWBOfw9E#ws)
this video is just another proof that RBSS thinks of us as circus clowns,
If you have friends in the crowd or the commentator gets excited when you get the ball, your chances of winning increases tons.
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And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:
RBSS AUSTRIA FINAL [HD] ''Martin Schopf vs Faruk Onmaz'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28TWBOfw9E#ws)
After what happened in RBSS Germany I would not say anything... Anyways, the problem here is this vid is the same of RBSS SA, Edgar Davids. He said that he voted for Faruk because he did some tricks he never seen before, hopefully Red Bull organization send him to RB BC One next time before he judge in any country... hahaha
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Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!
Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.
I don't know why so many of you share this opinion? Why are so many opposed to having a champion? Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not. It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.
I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are. Something like Tennis, for example. I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer. It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness. It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.
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Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!
Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.
I don't know why so many of you share this opinion? Why are so many opposed to having a champion? Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not. It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.
I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are. Something like Tennis, for example. I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer. It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness. It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.
The problem for freestyle is that its based on a few persons judgment and opinions, there is no real guidline. In tennis, soccer, hockey, basketball it is easy to judge, the team with the most goals is the winner. But in freestyle, for some people, maybe a patw combo is much harder than a ahmatw combo. But for another person, maybe they think that the ahmatw combo is harder than the patw combo. It's very difficult then to get a worthy winner.
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
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Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!
Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.
I don't know why so many of you share this opinion? Why are so many opposed to having a champion? Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not. It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.
I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are. Something like Tennis, for example. I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer. It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness. It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.
the problem for freestyle is that its based on a few persons judgment and opinions, there is no real guidline. In tennis, soccer, hockey, basketball it is easy to judge, the team with the most goals is the winner. But in freestyle, for some people, maybe a patw combo is much harder than a ahmatw combo. But for another person, maybe they think that the ahmatw combo is harder than the patw combo. It's very difficult then to get a worthy winner.
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
this is maybe the best post of this thread! the only thing which i don't agree is the fact of name Prague comp a world championship
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if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
What do you mean by "different titles"? I don't think I'm following...
Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title. It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other. I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider.
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if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
What do you mean by "different titles"? I don't think I'm following...
Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title. It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other. I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider.
No Adi, actually is well know that the one who wins RBSS is a good show man, the one who wins in Prague is the most technical, and the in KL... is hard to say, the one who bring a new style and consistence in the tricks, it's hard to say when the judge panel are full of freestylers who actually knows most of the tricks and combinations... but i can tell the 4 who showed new styles got the 4 first places :P
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if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
What do you mean by "different titles"? I don't think I'm following...
Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title. It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other. I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider.
The winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
The winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
The winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.
I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.
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if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
What do you mean by "different titles"? I don't think I'm following...
Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title. It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other. I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider.
the winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
the winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
the winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.
I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.
In Australia everyone had a chance to compete in this competition, the winner of course was Bevs so he represented Australia. Wasn't that the case with the other countries?
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if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.
What do you mean by "different titles"? I don't think I'm following...
Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title. It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other. I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider.
the winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
the winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
the winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.
I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.
In Australia everyone had a chance to compete in this competition, the winner of course was Bevs so he represented Australia. Wasn't that the case with the other countries?
Nope, IMO it was the only place were was qualifiers.
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i dont think there is a WORLD champion because think about it this way, prague was 99% european freestylers, kl was 16 hand picked competitors out of which a few diddent desserve to be there based on skill level alone, motg dossent count because the competitor list taking out a few names was a joke no disrispect to petike cuz he did a awesome job, and the thing about rbss is that in order to get to the world finals you first have to win in your countrie and as many of you know the rbss qualifiers in many countrys where absolute disgraces with the judges selecting the shitties representatives because they dont know shit about freestyle, for example something that i saw in person, a judge in the colombian final called crassos 4 amatw nt in combo "repetitivo y aburrido" or boring and repetitive in english, and yet in the same round called the other guys rope skipping during a fucking neckstall trick creative, new and amazing and crasso yet again was robbed from the tittle of best in colombia even though everyone knows he is by milesssss, so what im saying is, rbss world finals had alooot of shitty freestylers who diddent deserve to be there at all and who took the spots of some great freestylers who could have been in the finals, also they left out many established freestyle countries and included alot of countries with terrible fs level such as jamaica, trinidad and tobago, etc.. so imo, each champion is champion of the compettion they won and nothing else untill someone organizes a true world championship with money to bring say the top 2 of every country with a good level, however kl is a step in the right direction because publicity, marketing and organizational wise they NAILED it.
anyways if you still cant make your mind up i say throw ah, szymo, petike and azun in a group and have them battle against each other and whoever wins more battles is world champ and problem solved lol