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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: brynjar on Aug 14, 2011, 12:58: AM
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First off I just want to say that I don't know if you have discussed this before, so don't rage if this is an old subject.
I've been wondering on this quite some time now, so I decided to make a topic out of it.
So, there are many 3rev tricks such as patw, szatw, skatw, eatw etc. One of the things I wanted to know is if k3eatw and eatw should be defined as two different tricks. The only difference is that k3eatw is eatw in one jump. It's the same with szatw and japa atw too. Some people do szatw with two jumps, but most people these days are doing it in only one jump. Should then szatw in one jump be called k3szatw? And is it easier to do some 3rev tricks with one jump?
The other thing I wanted to write about is beck atw. So as we know, beck atw can also be called hhjatw- tatw. But still, if someone does for example hhjatw- palle trick, most people simply call that beck palle trick. And that is in my opinion the easiest way to pronounce that combo. I don't think that I can change this whole naming system, but I think it would be better if beck atw could just be the same as hhjatw- atw. Then it would be way easier to say a combo with becks in it.
So that means:
HHJATW = BECK
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say, and please give some response and tell me what you think.
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what do you call beck atw with an atw but not a tatw? beck atw?
so the original batw should be beck tatw or btatw, right?
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Yep, that's correct :great:
what do you call beck atw with an atw but not a tatw? beck atw?
so the original batw should be beck tatw or btatw, right?
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Freestylers are so used to call batw for batw, so I think it will be named that way for a long time. But I agree that batw should have been btatw from the beginning, like lebioda atw is hlatw-atw, not hlatw-tatw (that would be lebtatw). But if you say "batw-alatw", I think people will see it as "hhjatw-tatw-alatw" and not "hhjatw-atw-alatw" for many years from now.
In my opinion the k3atw is just an eatw in a less stylish way just like "inside magellan" is a latw inside in a less stylish way..
And talking about tricknames, I personally like to write the magellan as "mgatw" (magellan atw), because then it will be easier to write mgaatw instead of "abbas magellan" :great:
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I agree in everything you say Kefix, it's not easy to rename something that has been called the same over years.
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how about say beck is hhjatw atw, but beck atw/ batw is hhjatw tatw. so beck means the hhjatw motion, when its continued by some other trick
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say :13:
how about say beck is hhjatw atw, but beck atw/ batw is hhjatw tatw. so beck means the hhjatw motion, when its continued by some other trick
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its a good idea! hhjatw=beck
Another trick what has a problem with its name is "magellan hmatw"... what Skóra did in beyond or efreestyle final video... out half atw-hmatw nt, or half magellan-htw nt, I think this trick could have a same name like skóra tricks, or something like this
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but i think it depends on if beck was the first person to do hhjatw or hhjatw-atw. We know he was the first to do hhjatw-tatw. But did sum1 else do hhjatw and hhjatw-atw before beck?
I think the names should remain as it is so we know who did what first.
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Beck without a tatw would be hatw-aatw nt not hhjatw
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Beck without a tatw would be hatw-aatw nt not hhjatw
hatw aatw nt is hhjatw - atw i think
and it would have been way better if batw = hhjatw, agree with that
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i personally dont think any of this matters at all lol
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imo cfatw is a dumb name - cause its a reverse eldo atw in fact - all revs are reversed of the normal eldo..
so the name should be reverse eldo atw
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imo cfatw is a dumb name - cause its a reverse eldo atw in fact - all revs are reversed of the normal eldo..
so the name should be reverse eldo atw
yeah stupid name, but it is a new trick and it deserves to get the owners name
dunno why u want to call it reversed eatw since, cuz then szatw is really reversed htlatw
and there will be so many tricks which will be renamed
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i personally dont think any of this matters at all lol
:iagree:
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the only thing that matters in this thread is the k3 thing since these tricks are much easier than their full rev versions. also we should destinguish between szymo atws. there are only very few people who do it right like skora and MP. the others are doing it more like k3szatw, for example adonias.
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The freestyle terminology has become a piece of sh!t since Palle wasn't so much involved in creating new tricks anymore imo.
Palle did (ATW+MAATW)nt before Beck landed his Beck atw. It looks like he didn't came up with some proper name in time so now we have problems how to call Beck variations correctly. I also think that Palle knew someone will land SATW or RSATW, so Palle created Palle move and SATW & RSATW probably were originally meant to be Alternative Reverse Palle Move & Alternative Palle Move.
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but it all makes sense to me like that :)))))
Palle is a legend, also because he saved us a lot of troubles with the naming of tricks when he created no touch combos :))))
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In my opinion, Beck with an ATW instead of TATW is not HHJATW - ATW. HJATW is one movement just like HTATW where as the 'Half Beck' trick is clearly 2 movements. For me, it should in fact be called hatw aatw nt. I agree with Dan that this sort of debate is fairly useless. However, when it comes to a competition like the sick 3 in Prague, it causes a lot of controversy as to whether a combo is 3, 4 or even 5 tricks long.
Moving onto the K3EATW/SZATW discussion, I agree with Max. I feel very strongly that the majority of people who do SZATW, don't do it the way it should be done. When Szymo first did the trick, I saw it as an LTATW just without the touch of the crossover. Where as, now it is done only with 1 jump which I personally don't think is right.
I hate to single people out specifically but here are 2 examples:
For me unclean by Japa - Japa - Szatw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g3pcOoYFr0&feature=related#ws)
Real, clean SZATW by Mumin - Mumin - Szymo atw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPYttJ3RFCg&feature=channel_video_title#ws)
Just my opinion but I think I'm right with what I've said.
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sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.
as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85Ia-YeG5c#)
now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUCPCT7RRo&feature=related#)
i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!
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One thing that has always bothered me about htlatw is that it doesn't make sense when you H off lol
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sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.
as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85Ia-YeG5c#)
now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUCPCT7RRo&feature=related#)
i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!
In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.
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sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.
as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85Ia-YeG5c#)
now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUCPCT7RRo&feature=related#)
i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!
In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.
yes you're right, but then freestyle would be fucking ugly. the difference between your point with htatw and mine with htlatw is i think htlatw actually looks better when its done correctly, whereas htatw would look far worse.
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sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.
as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85Ia-YeG5c#)
now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUCPCT7RRo&feature=related#)
i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!
In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.
yes you're right, but then freestyle would be fucking ugly. the difference between your point with htatw and mine with htlatw is i think htlatw actually looks better when its done correctly, whereas htatw would look far worse.
How is it correct not to execute htlatw similar to htatw?
I guess it's a matter of opinion about what looks better though.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
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Btw, how would you call those nt combos?
Metoditos vs Skora
Metoditos vs Skóra semifinal Czech Freestyle Football Championship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddh9RdiWZ2s#)
The combo Metoditos does at 3:51 clearly is NOT AMATW AATW nt. I thought it could be called AMATW AAATW nt (Alternative Abbas ATW), but I don't know if it is a good idea, lol.
Something similar...
OleynikART - Out Of Time [2011] [For Kamalio] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3twSHUmOFc#ws)
1:49
Azun Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oj-aPkuLRY#ws)
0:39
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
I can't believe how stupid your logic is. Just shhh..one day people will read this and think lower of you.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
I can't believe how stupid your logic is. Just shhh..one day people will read this and think lower of you.
Max is ten times more advanced in lowers then you so maybe you should shhh and stop trolling.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
I can't believe how stupid your logic is. Just shhh..one day people will read this and think lower of you.
Max is ten times more advanced in lowers then you so maybe you should shhh and stop trolling.
I'm not even trolling. Do I have to re-explain to the slow people in this thread why HOPPING(or Hommie) Touzani Lemmens atw should be done with a HOP? And how Hatw - alatw nt isn't the same either?
Blindly follow your friends logic. Always.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
I can't believe how stupid your logic is. Just shhh..one day people will read this and think lower of you.
Max is ten times more advanced in lowers then you so maybe you should shhh and stop trolling.
I'm not even trolling. Do I have to re-explain to the slow people in this thread why HOPPING(or Hommie) Touzani Lemmens atw should be done with a HOP? And how Hatw - alatw nt isn't the same either?
Blindly follow your friends logic. Always.
I already knew you were gonna say how everybody follows eachother and how you're some lone ranger on the forum. Boring.
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its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.
We are not discussing difficulty, we're discussing which way is the correct way to do htlatw. Try to keep up ;)
It's quite clear that doing htlatw the way Ethan and you have suggested wouldn't be htlatw, it would be hatw alatw nt.
ok tell that to skora who has created htlatw. he does it hatw alatw nt and not the k3 version others do.
I can't believe how stupid your logic is. Just shhh..one day people will read this and think lower of you.
Max is ten times more advanced in lowers then you so maybe you should shhh and stop trolling.
I'm not even trolling. Do I have to re-explain to the slow people in this thread why HOPPING(or Hommie) Touzani Lemmens atw should be done with a HOP? And how Hatw - alatw nt isn't the same either?
Blindly follow your friends logic. Always.
I already knew you were gonna say how everybody follows eachother and how you're some lone ranger on the forum. Boring.
I already knew you were going to reply the way you always do, you don't ever have an answer to any question because you know you are incorrect.
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what am I incorrect about? the way I was pissed about you treating a friend?
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@onas
i think there is no need for special name for that type of nt
just say tatw l-aatw r nt (where l is left and r is right); or i know some people (in russia e.g.) write tatw-opposite aatw nt from weak/strong
as simple as that
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LIS you are such an idiot i cant believe it. Htlatw doesnt have the H in front of it because it has to be done with a hop. it is just there because skora didnt name it Pawel atw or something. you could have also named skatw hopping pallemove or something which would lead to you saying that k3 version of skatw is the real skatw. i hope that was understandable for your small brain because discussions with you are really tiring and boring. and dont hate on mac he would assrape you in every aspect!
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@onas
i think there is no need for special name for that type of nt
just say tatw l-aatw r nt (where l is left and r is right); or i know some people (in russia e.g.) write tatw-opposite aatw nt from weak/strong
as simple as that
We should just use 'switch' for that represented by 's'. Much more cleaner imo.
LIS you are such an idiot i cant believe it. Htlatw doesnt have the H in front of it because it has to be done with a hop. it is just there because skora didnt name it Pawel atw or something. you could have also named skatw hopping pallemove or something which would lead to you saying that k3 version of skatw is the real skatw. i hope that was understandable for your small brain because discussions with you are really tiring and boring. and dont hate on mac he would assrape you in every aspect!
What you fail to understand is that htlatw =/= hatw alatw nt. According to what you've said, Skora was the first to do hatw alatw nt and not htlatw. There is no 'k3' htlatw because htlatw is done with one motion where as hatw alatw nt is done as 2 moves..because it's fucking two moves.
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i am not even gonna bother reading all this.
solution - organise a freestyle committee of acknowledged freestylers and let them name tricks like they want, then stick to it.
like we have the SI system of units in science... because there is no other way everyone would agree.
plus.. who cares! :-D
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LIS you are such an idiot i cant believe it. Htlatw doesnt have the H in front of it because it has to be done with a hop. it is just there because skora didnt name it Pawel atw or something. you could have also named skatw hopping pallemove or something which would lead to you saying that k3 version of skatw is the real skatw. i hope that was understandable for your small brain because discussions with you are really tiring and boring. and dont hate on mac he would assrape you in every aspect!
What you fail to understand is that htlatw =/= hatw alatw nt. According to what you've said, Skora was the first to do hatw alatw nt and not htlatw. there is no 'k3' htlatw because htlatw is done with one motion where as hatw alatw nt is done as 2 moves..because it's fucking two moves.
who are you to say that? then skatw eatw skora move mp trick and everything woul be also two moves and the k3 moves were the one move versions of these tricks. your logic doesnt work. furthermore your video on youtube would also be called hatw alatw nt. because you do it like skora.
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LIS you are such an idiot i cant believe it. Htlatw doesnt have the H in front of it because it has to be done with a hop. it is just there because skora didnt name it Pawel atw or something. you could have also named skatw hopping pallemove or something which would lead to you saying that k3 version of skatw is the real skatw. i hope that was understandable for your small brain because discussions with you are really tiring and boring. and dont hate on mac he would assrape you in every aspect!
What you fail to understand is that htlatw =/= hatw alatw nt. According to what you've said, Skora was the first to do hatw alatw nt and not htlatw. there is no 'k3' htlatw because htlatw is done with one motion where as hatw alatw nt is done as 2 moves..because it's fucking two moves.
who are you to say that? then skatw eatw skora move mp trick and everything woul be also two moves and the k3 moves were the one move versions of these tricks. your logic doesnt work. furthermore your video on youtube would also be called hatw alatw nt. because you do it like skora.
Think about it man, with an open mind.
Skatw is not "hatw"/atw ahmatw nt, it's Skala atw. Htlatw isn't named after anyone because it's a combination of H+T+L atw(Same concept with eatw, Skora move etc).
Like Ltatw, you don't do Latw and then crossover at the end, you fuse the two moves into one flowing move.
If you watch my video, I'm clearly in mid air, just as if I were to do htatw. My foot isn't planted on the floor to do alatw nt because there was no way I could ever do alatw nt. Come on alatw nt from me, who are you kidding?
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compare your htlatw to the one jonathas and adonias do ( i am not putting you down guys ). they are totally different. of course htlatw isnt really hatw alatw nt because not even skora does it like that. but you cant deny that there is a difference between skoras htlatw and the one-hop-stuff jonathas and adonias do. and i just want to put names for these differences and since skora was the first to do htlatw i consider his htlatw as the right one. and the one-hop htlatw the others do should be named k3htlatw because it is similar to the k3 moves.
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compare your htlatw to the one jonathas and adonias do ( i am not putting you down guys ). they are totally different. of course htlatw isnt really hatw alatw nt because not even skora does it like that. but you cant deny that there is a difference between skoras htlatw and the one-hop-stuff jonathas and adonias do. and i just want to put names for these differences and since skora was the first to do htlatw i consider his htlatw as the right one. and the one-hop htlatw the others do should be named k3htlatw because it is similar to the k3 moves.
I can't remember what there's looks like so I watched the one's Ethan posted.
I didn't watch the video carefully the first time. I see the difference now. Arczi's leg is only slightly higher than mine before he does the second revolution. But the way you were talking I was expecting to see the k3eatw style stuff which has a huge difference.
When I read hatw alatw nt, I imagine the first foot being on the ground and doing alatw nt, that's why it was so difficult to understand why you think htlatw should be done like that.
And we should really stop calling it 'k3' style before it catches on and we make another mistake in the freestyle language. I think the South Americans are calling it ng for no gravity.
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I think the South Americans are calling it ng for no gravity.
Isn't it No Ground?
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I think the South Americans are calling it ng for no gravity.
Isn't it No Ground?
Not sure buddy. I think I read No gravity from an unreliable sorce...Xixo.
I'm pretty sure I've read it somewhere else too.
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I did a quick search and found these thread of people using it.
http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer/japa-atw-final/ (http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer/japa-atw-final/)
http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer-videos/saimon-hard-core/ (http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer-videos/saimon-hard-core/)
http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer-videos/murilo-training-2/ (http://www.beyondfootball.com/forum/freestyle-soccer-videos/murilo-training-2/)
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yeah the south americans call it no gravity. the example ethan posted with arczi isnt as good. as i said watch jonathas and adonias its clearer to see there.