Beyond Football - Freestyle Football Forum
Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Adi on Jul 28, 2011, 09:29: AM
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Alright chaps, I'm thinking about putting together some type of marketing campaign for our website to bring in more new members and boost activity.
What type of suggestions do all of you have? I'm thinking we should utilize Youtube as much as possible. Using beyondfootball.com intros would be ideal but I don't expect you all to put those on your own videos. It would be great if you did, but it's no way for me to bank on that alone. Oli used to add these to his videos and it helped quite a bit.
Anyways, I'm thinking about using some advertising on Youtube. I have no idea how expensive it would be but I'll look into it.
Does anyone have any other ideas? Maybe Facebook groups or something else? Basically, we need to make freestylers aware of our site who don't know about it yet.
I'm all ears to your suggestions on promoting our site or helping increase activity. :great:
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What sort of intro? I wouldn't mind helping out at all, and I'm sure there are many freestylers who would want to help. I joined beyondfootball after watching the christmas video from 09 I think..? So I think having videos with beyondfootball in it would help loads.
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About video intros, you could make it mandatory for anyone who's competing in BF competitions to put the official intro at the beginning of the video.
Also, an official (ALLROUND!) BF comp few (2?) times per year would be a good idea IMO. Throw in some small sponsor prizes (Pele Sports, Calle, Monta, etc.) if possible or maybe even better, get some well known freestyler (who can be a judge also) to give away something, like a Footwork or Tek-Neek shirt, etc.
Also, annual BF videos with its members, like the '09 Xmas video would be a good thing to do.
Maybe be more active on social networks? The fan page on FB, for example, is pretty dead. What Boomsjakie is doing with his fan page "I am a football freestyler" is what you should aim for - post recent videos, various news, rumors, etc.
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Miran's post is spot on, the competition was the best thing about the forum and now its gone. I know oli will read this topic and laugh cause he did all of this before and so much for the forum and now it's struggling.
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hire lucaso to work for the site, the guy is a genius. :grin:
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I completely agree with Miran too, but I think the Christmas video and all will be very tough. The last video L1nde had lots of problems with, and had to hand the work over to his friend, I believe? Well I think it's a HUGE responsibility, since freestylers send from 2-4 clips (I myself had sent 3, only 2 showed up though...) Anyways I agree with everything else though, great ideas
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Yeah, it does require some work, but that's why you need to start things like these a few weeks in advance. I believe a week is enough for video editing, so we make the deadline a week before Xmas, no exceptions. And surely there will be someone from BF willing to edit it, especially since it doesn't require anything major, editing wise.
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To me it feels like the whole freestyle scene is fading, not just this forum. By fixing the former the latter will improve as well. Then again the former can be fixed using the latter too. Nothing is going to happen though without someone to put in work who knows what he's doing and from what I can tell you have no one to do that job. Best of luck though.
Miran's post is spot on, the competition was the best thing about the forum and now its gone. I know oli will read this topic and laugh cause he did all of this before and so much for the forum and now it's struggling.
:grin:
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Not related to marketing, but there is no suggestions thread now -
I think the main page of the site should be set out like http://www.parkour.com/ (http://www.parkour.com/)
In the freestyle version It would have a blog of freestyle videos (maybe we could link it up with boomjakies facebook video/news blog) as well as links to learn Freestyle websites, an explanation of different freestyle areas(a freestyle version of this parkour page http://www.parkour.com/parkour-dojo/ (http://www.parkour.com/parkour-dojo/), equipment section with links to internet shops for freestyle(prodirect,ebay,soccer.com ect) and photos of freestyle ect.
The social network "beyond football" is futile because people use facebook more.
As for marketing, maybe you can convince the more famous freestylers to endorse the site (making promo videos, wearing beyond foot shirts)
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Competitive atmopsphere is the key to activity.
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It would be nice if someone who is good with editing could create a generic Beyond Football intro. Is anyone up for that? We will make it a requirment to use the intro for BF competitions.
How about creating a Beyond Football Summer video? We need a dedicated member or moderator to take on the responsibility, however. I know we got some great members here so I hope someone steps up to organize it.
As far as Facebook activity is concerned, we have a couple of peope who are interested in being admins of our Facebook page. Is anyone else interested from here? It would be their job to promote our page, website, and freestyle in general.
Suggestions thread - it's in General Chat. Should we move it to Freestyle Chat? I feel we already have many stickies in Freestyle Chat.
Endorsements from freestylers could be cool, especially if we can get the likes of Palle and Skora to put in some words since they were/are members on here.
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It would be nice if someone who is good with editing could create a generic Beyond Football intro. Is anyone up for that?
BF intro 2 (http://vimeo.com/9302818)
From Rocco
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I think Beyond Football Summer video would be too rushed, and instead of making a not-so-great video soon, I think we should wait a little until the Winter, but this is only my opinion. But I do think that having a video is by far the most effective way of getting freestylers on the forum. But the video has to be created/released by a well known freestyler since getting views is MUCH easier that way. No offense but when Asker (?) released the Beyond Football christmas video, I doubt it got the same amount of recognition as the one from 09 by Sven. I mean great job Asker but I think having a well known freestyler release it/create it makes a much bigger impact.
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Well imo its not about getting users to the site. I think it is about making th site intresting for people to stay and post here. At the moment there is almost no good freestyler posting here so why would people stay here? You need some big names here. Also a competition would be good but run more professional with also big names entering. These are the ideas i have but i dont really know how to realize them.
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Beyond Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMEaUCzpzA#ws)
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Ohh that's sick! Loved it man that's friggin awesome!
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Beyond Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMEaUCzpzA#ws)
WOAH! Where did this guy come from? That was pretty damn awesome..almost too awesome for everyone to use. It should be reserved for the top 8 or something.
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What if we did a "Throwback Freestyle Competition" where we invite all the top freestylers so send in their video. I don't think it's realistic to create multiple rounds as most top freestylers won't bother sending multiple videos in.
We can invite Palle, Abbas Farrid, Skora and some of the other top freestylers who used to post on here before. We can tell them about the motivations for this and we could give away a prize to a winner. We can create some space on the forum and site to highlight these videos. Anyone can enter and submit only one video.
It's just a matter of figuring out how to create the knock-out system to pick out the winner. Maybe we can create seeds so Palle and the top freestylers would be ranked as #1 seeds. Their videos would go against lower seeds and winners would go through. We'd do this all the way until the final two. I'm just not sure if it would get boring to vote in each round since people would have already seen the videos.
Any ideas on this?
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By the way, thanks for the intros guys... I think I like the second one a little more since it has our logo and the URL. We'd just need to make the first bit a little shorter and have the website info sit around longer (maybe bigger text as well). Would be nice for it to read Freestyle Social Network and Forum underneath as well.
Can you please send the video file as well so we can make it available for everyone to download.
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that was like the intro to a fucking film! :undecided:
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Beyond Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMEaUCzpzA#ws)
WOAH! Where did this guy come from? That was pretty damn awesome..almost too awesome for everyone to use. It should be reserved for the top 8 or something.
i hope no, because i really wanna use it :'(
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Beyond Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMEaUCzpzA#ws)
WOAH! Where did this guy come from? That was pretty damn awesome..almost too awesome for everyone to use. It should be reserved for the top 8 or something.
i hope no, because i really wanna use it :'(
Me too! This intro is siiickkk
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What if we did a "Throwback Freestyle Competition" where we invite all the top freestylers so send in their video. I don't think it's realistic to create multiple rounds as most top freestylers won't bother sending multiple videos in.
We can invite Palle, Abbas Farrid, Skora and some of the other top freestylers who used to post on here before. We can tell them about the motivations for this and we could give away a prize to a winner. We can create some space on the forum and site to highlight these videos. Anyone can enter and submit only one video.
It's just a matter of figuring out how to create the knock-out system to pick out the winner. Maybe we can create seeds so Palle and the top freestylers would be ranked as #1 seeds. Their videos would go against lower seeds and winners would go through. We'd do this all the way until the final two. I'm just not sure if it would get boring to vote in each round since people would have already seen the videos.
Any ideas on this?
Adi, bro, wake the f#ck up. That's not gonna happen.
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Inbox me if you want the download link for the Intro Logo (HD)
and ill get cracking on updating it with asked for above when i get home
- Chris
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Inbox me if you want the download link for the Intro Logo (HD)
and ill get cracking on updating it with asked for above when i get home
- Chris
Heeeei its Chris Brown !! haha, nice one mate ! didnt know you were able to make that sort of things!
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my only problem with that intro by dingo is that they blackout twice, the trails should remain not go into a blank black screen
of course great job coz I can't do that but just saying it will look more pro if they don't disappear but fade/dissolve instead or something.
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Heeeei its Chris Brown !! haha, nice one mate ! didnt know you were able to make that sort of things!
Haha what's up dude
It was easy that tbh I only edited it my friend hooked me up with the cool template but I'll tweek it a little more
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ideas can be a million, what matters is who implements them. the BF competition was successful cuz of Oli. Adi if you want this, then you need to approach out to every freestyler out there individually and ask them politely to do stuff for you. making a topic here wont help.
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lets take an successful community as an example: Russia. Why does it work so well? because there is a competitive atmosphere and everybody wants to be on a good spot in their list ( Baruzdin posted it some time ago i think). Then its important that all the big name freestylers (ARS MP German Akim etc ) to join the competition. So if we had a list like the russians there must be at least 5-10 really good freestylers to compete in that competition. Another point is that we need an admin who either is a freestyler or the freestyle scene can identify with. So Adi you need one who has these abilities because you dont have them. Furthermore its requiered that this forum loses the connection to football since 95 percent of all freestylers want to be freestylers and not football-clowns.
Another problem is facebook. This place worked much better when there was no facebook because beyondfootball was the only place where freestylers could contact other freestylers. There is not much you can do against facebook but as allready mentioned you have to use facebook to promote the site.
Then i think some events would be good. like a certain time where interesting freestylers are on the site to answer questions to newbies or something like that.
These are my ideas but we need somebody to realize them ( like Oli ). IMO the only user to realize this would be ethan, Maybe with some help of tom.
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This site has lost its connection with football a long time ago. There is only one forum for it now and only about 5 posts are in there a day. The main site has nothing to do with football either.
It's difficult to find another admin to run the freestyle section. I thought Dan might be interested but I don't think he really is. He has helped the forum for sure, but I don't think he feels like organizing comps and spreading word about the forum. I'm all for Ethan or Tom but I'm not sure if they are up for it.
Dingo, can you post the download link in this thread when you have the final tweaks done. I can then make a sticky topic so everyone knows about it.
Thanks!
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What if we did a "Throwback Freestyle Competition" where we invite all the top freestylers so send in their video. I don't think it's realistic to create multiple rounds as most top freestylers won't bother sending multiple videos in.
We can invite Palle, Abbas Farrid, Skora and some of the other top freestylers who used to post on here before. We can tell them about the motivations for this and we could give away a prize to a winner. We can create some space on the forum and site to highlight these videos. Anyone can enter and submit only one video.
It's just a matter of figuring out how to create the knock-out system to pick out the winner. Maybe we can create seeds so Palle and the top freestylers would be ranked as #1 seeds. Their videos would go against lower seeds and winners would go through. We'd do this all the way until the final two. I'm just not sure if it would get boring to vote in each round since people would have already seen the videos.
Any ideas on this?
This is a legendary post.
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I am all for helping out but as Max pointed out, the forum isn't really going anywhere until major changes are made. The old days of BF have gone (when big freestylers like Palle etc posted), just give up on that, it won't happen again. What I can't really think of is what changes need to occur to bring back beyond football, and i don't think its anything like competitions.
I reckon there just needs to be some good posts which start some interesting discussions. Lately whenever a mildly interesting argument breaks out on this forum, the mods instantly either lock the thread or tell people to stay on topic blah blah blah
What was so good about the old bf? 100 page arguments between people.
A nice thing to do would be to go back to the early pages of freestyle chat and pick out some legendary threads and get them going again to show how much the sport has changed. 'Most hated fsers' thread from 2008 where Azuns name came up the most, i am pretty sure not one person would mention him again...
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Let Ethan and TF run the forum and you'll have a success on your hands Adi.
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Let Ethan and TF run the forum and you'll have a success on your hands Adi.
I'm all for that. If Ethan and TF are down, I'm gonna let them roll out there ideas and put them in place.
Guys, are you interested?
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Let Ethan and TF run the forum and you'll have a success on your hands Adi.
GTFO Lis!
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Let Ethan and TF run the forum and you'll have a success on your hands Adi.
GTFO Lis!
If I just repeat a popular opinion people will like me more. It seems to be working, I'd better continue despite being entirely incorrect.
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Ste Fs, Ethan, and Damian have been added to the admin team of our Facebook page. We also have Benbow, Dan, and myself on the team. Let's get some activity to the page and direct members over here. Please invite your friends to the page if you have the time.
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you have SIX admins on your facebook page?! damn.... lol
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I wanted to bring this topic back for additional comments.
I just browsed the list of recent members who signed up and looked to see if anyone became an active members. The most posts I saw was around 18-20 from a member who registered 3 months ago.
I think that's the main problem. We are not attracting many big posters. Usually, you'd expect at least 2-3 new members to join who will have a significant impact on the forum... say post 10-25 times per week. Unfortunately, we're not getting those members right now.
Any thoughts on why this might be happening? Most people are registered and not posting. If they post, it's like 5 times in 3 months.
:wtf:
We've done some nice things like the BF competition with prizes, new background, new admins, and now we are getting a new server so things move faster around here.
Let us know what your thoughts are. Ultimately, we need people to post more. We are barely getting 100 posts per day. I know lots of people are still logging on and watching videos, but we need this to be about good content.
I'm trying to setup some smaller competitions every month and reward top posters with some Pele gear. Not sure what else we can do. I guess everyone just needs to put in a few more posts and we'll be better off.
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Beyond Football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMEaUCzpzA#ws)
WOAH! Where did this guy come from? That was pretty damn awesome..almost too awesome for everyone to use. It should be reserved for the top 8 or something.
i hope no, because i really wanna use it :'(
Wasn't it you who asked if anyone else skips the first 20seconds? ;P
Well I do, despite being cool and impressive it's too damn long and should've been reserved for the top 4 or 8.
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consider this...
there are pages on FB of groups/organisations representing countries. Of course not many are official but still have a following. you can approach them and offer them to promote them here by putting up there page links, website addresses etc here.
in return they could do the same by posting links to the forum and its contents on their pages once in a while.
In this way, you will be able to approach the new ones i think.
you could do the same for organisations like F3, S3 etc
give it a thought :)
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there is only one man for the job of saving beyond football, that man is benbow
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Wasn't it you who asked if anyone else skips the first 20seconds? ;P
Well I do, despite being cool and impressive it's too damn long and should've been reserved for the top 4 or 8.
I think everyone on this forum probably skips the first 20 seconds. Nothing wrong with that. We've seen the intro, so what's the point in seeing it 20 more times? It's meant for new watchers who haven't seen it yet. If people see that intro and know it's BF after the first 2 seconds, then we've done our branding job. :grin:
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consider this...
there are pages on FB of groups/organisations representing countries. Of course not many are official but still have a following. you can approach them and offer them to promote them here by putting up there page links, website addresses etc here.
in return they could do the same by posting links to the forum and its contents on their pages once in a while.
In this way, you will be able to approach the new ones i think.
you could do the same for organisations like F3, S3 etc
give it a thought :)
Good idea tbc. I'll try to approach the admins of those pages. If anyone has their contact information, please send me a PM.
In benbow we trust. :great:
I know benbow can do some magical things with his design and freestyle knowledge. It's just a matter of motivation and free time. You know you got my backing for anything you want to do if you're interested mate.