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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: L_I_S on Jul 23, 2011, 06:37: PM
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Let's have a poll.
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i think touzani had a lot to do with groundmoves. if he had not put them in his videos they would just be called football dribbling maybe or street soccer stuff. freestylers dont know goundmove "tricks' or variation names, so my reply is no.
but they look very good when people like soufiane do them!
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i dont know.. when bencok does them, its hard to argue against it..
but when some stupid noobs are trying to play panna then i say no
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i think touzani had a lot to do with groundmoves. if he had not put them in his videos they would just be called football dribbling maybe or street soccer stuff. freestylers dont know goundmove "tricks' or variation names, so my reply is no.
but they look very good when people like soufiane do them!
bad argument.
Many don't know upper moves as well?
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i think they are part of freestyle football. It has elements of football in it, but it does not come under the category of dribbling cos you cannot use them in matches, plus they look like a form of dance so that is the freestyle part.
but you cannot call yourself a freestyler if you can only do groundmoves e.g mike ballast, matthew gernaat and the likes of them.
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i think touzani had a lot to do with groundmoves. if he had not put them in his videos they would just be called football dribbling maybe or street soccer stuff. freestylers dont know goundmove "tricks' or variation names, so my reply is no.
but they look very good when people like soufiane do them!
bad argument.
Many don't know upper moves as well?
lets count:
neckstall
headstall
sideheadstall
shoulder catch
atm
360
ss orbit
rolls
i am sure most freestylers know this.
but i dont know a sinlge name of a groundmove, if i do i cant recall it right now. i think its the same for others maybe :)
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I'd say no.
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offcourse it is ...but its a small part and not as important as tricks in the air in my opinion. Its more an additional skill , just like a backflip for example or other show tricks
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offcourse it is ...but its a small part and not as important as tricks in the air in my opinion. Its more an additional skill , just like a backflip for example or other show tricks
Since what time backflip or "other show tricks" are parts of freestyle football? It can be acrobatics or breakdance, but not freestyle football for me.. As for grounds - this is freestyle football, but just little and unpopular part. There are some panns masters, but i doubt there are some guys who spend few years on everyday prsctice just groundmoves without field and opponent..
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If you mean groundmoves as solo groundmoves and not panna or tricks used in futsal matches, then I believe it's considered freestyle. It's like a mutual part between freestyle and street football unlike panna which is only part of street football.
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The only freestyle is lower-air freestyle.
Seriously, I think having names in upper/sit/ground combos is kinda useless. I never say "I did aproll-rproll-rproll- etc." Blah blah blah. it's all dumb, I just say I did an upper combo. Easy as that. (my opinion of this has changed over time.)
I couldn't imagine naming a ground combo...
Sure grounds is freestyle, just don't throw a bunch of names at me, I'm already overloaded with these j9skatws and what not....
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The only freestyle is lower-air freestyle.
Seriously, I think having names in upper/sit/ground combos is kinda useless. I never say "I did aproll-rproll-rproll- etc." Blah blah blah. it's all dumb, I just say I did an upper combo. Easy as that. (my opinion of this has changed over time.)
I couldn't imagine naming a ground combo...
Sure grounds is freestyle, just don't throw a bunch of names at me, I'm already overloaded with these j9skatws and what not....
that's just because you have a very small brain with the capacity of a goldfish.
i personally can't think of an argument against why groundmoves arent fs, but to be honest i dont think they are. they are bloody boring to watch, they aren't gonna be much use in a show/battle and there aren't many with extensive knowledge of them. but who really cares? the basic point is majority of those who call themselves fsers dont train grounds...
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I don't see them as freestyle
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If you mean groundmoves as solo groundmoves and not panna or tricks used in futsal matches, then I believe it's considered freestyle. It's like a mutual part between freestyle and street football unlike panna which is only part of street football.
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Yes it is a part of freestyle like Yoshi,Sean,Soufiane etc used them in performance or battle !!
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In short - yes.
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Interesting topic. I think it depends on the occasion. I believe the video's i make actually are a part of freestyle-football. Its different when opponents come in. As there is a big difference between groundmoves , streetsoccer and panna. Hard to say yes or no
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Wow, that's incredibly close. I would have thought it would be a lot more one sided.
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@Sam (Tupac) you used to use those names all the time
I think they are, seeing as many would describe freestyle as 'the art of expressing yourself with a football' or something queer like that, and ground moves come under this category.
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@Sam (Tupac) you used to use those names all the time
(my opinion of this has changed over time.)
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The only freestyle is lower-air freestyle.
Seriously, I think having names in upper/sit/ground combos is kinda useless. I never say "I did aproll-rproll-rproll- etc." Blah blah blah. it's all dumb, I just say I did an upper combo. Easy as that. (my opinion of this has changed over time.)
I couldn't imagine naming a ground combo...
Sure grounds is freestyle, just don't throw a bunch of names at me, I'm already overloaded with these j9skatws and what not....
so air combos that have 20+ moves are stupid? only short hardcore lowers is real freestyle to you?
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Yes it is.
I learned that freestyle has got 4 styles - air, upper, ground, sd
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Yes it is.
I learned that freestyle has got 4 styles - air, upper, ground, sd
for em yes, but i dont trianing ground but yes are be 4 styles.
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i voted "no" - simply because i don't practice groundmoves myself lol (leha doesn't approve you know)
but i must admit - some people do them in lp nicely and i enjoy that (metoditos, luki, szymo, miran, some japanese mofos)
but when some stupid noobs are trying to play panna then i say no
+1
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Well , yeah (!)... Ground moves done without being in a "versus" environment (like panna or street football) and more for show and flow are definitely considered freestyle. They're just not popular as not so many freestylers do them, but they can definitely be used in LPs/ battles by those you know how to use them: Nam, Sean, JK, Bencok, Touzani... et cetera.
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I think they are, seeing as many would describe freestyle as 'the art of expressing yourself with a football' or something queer like that, and ground moves come under this category.
Good comment. I think you've changed my mind.
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this is a stupid question... i would say... this thread just makes me sad, one of the parts i love more of freestyle are grounds, even if i dont practice it a lot as other styles, groundmoves was one of the things that introduce me in freestyle :(
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I think yes, it's a part of freestyle, just that it's unpopular, and many people do it randomly, like only stepovers and shit.
True, panna and all shouldn't be considered in football freestyle.
Some groundmoves look totally awesome and not football-ish, more football freestylish.
Just my opinion.
And what's the problem in naming tricks in uppers? I don't get it.
Almost every trick has a name and saying just "rolls" is vague.
But yeah some combinations are kinda unnameable (some even in lowers I think, but everything can have a name if you want).
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
That doesn't sound like a freestyle move..
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Sorry, but I didn't understand your comment
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
That doesn't sound like a freestyle move..
And "New Shit" does? lol
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
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Do you honestly do that?
Because lets face it. Groundmoves is deffo the easiest of all 4 styles. I basically never train! EVER! And i think I am a very decent groundmover if not a very good one. And i never ever practice.. maybe a couple times a month for like an hour but thats it? I barely play street soccer anymore -- no ones even remotely close to my level (that lives close to me), and its therefore hard to have any motivation to go play.
Thats what i dont understand --- if you practice many many hours.. why arent you better than me? (logically you should be -- and maybe you are, just not my impression from your videos :D)
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1. Lower
2. Sitdown
3. Upper
4. Groundmoves
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
That doesn't sound like a freestyle move..
And "New Shit" does? lol
I don't think you got my point. Assuming that ankle breaker is similar to the basketball version of the move, you need to be against an opponent. If that's the case, then it's clearly a street football move.
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Then you clearly have no clue what an Ankle Breaker is...
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
That doesn't sound like a freestyle move..
And "New Shit" does? lol
I don't think you got my point. Assuming that ankle breaker is similar to the basketball version of the move, you need to be against an opponent. If that's the case, then it's clearly a street football move.
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lol it isn't? What is it then?
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lol it isn't? What is it then?
anklebreaker !!!!!! which is the best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEc1uK0YSU&feature=related#)
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when i think about it... groundmoves can be part of freestyle, but the problem is that its not very entertaining and at the same time most top freestylers dont focus on learning it and practice the same amount of time on it as the 3 other style.
any good allrounders that kickass in groundmoves? :) cant think of anyone...
it can be entertaining for people that are into it, but i remeber when i started freestyle, i though groundmoves were totaly gay and useless cause my focus and mind was with normal football. I also hated the use of hands... but when i start to think of freestyle as a own sport my opinion changed...
groundmoves are maybe too linked to street soccer... very few does groundmoves just for the tricks and not for fooling the opponent...
i guess someone will mention Sofiane cause he went to south africa and he was a ground expert, but i think most of understand why his style were to prefer in Belgium... S3 had 5 french freestylers from 4 differnt contries, and if im rigth, all live in france?... but thats another topic :)
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any good allrounders that kickass in groundmoves? :) cant think of anyone...
Kamalio?
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any good allrounders that kickass in groundmoves? :) cant think of anyone...
Kamalio, Séan, Metoditos, basically any Dutch freestyler?
groundmoves are maybe too linked to street soccer... very few does groundmoves just for the tricks and not for fooling the opponent...
IMO, this is a popular misconception & it's actually the other way around. Most moves which are done in combos or combos in general aren't used in actual games, unless maybe in 1v1.
i guess someone will mention Sofiane cause he went to south africa and he was a ground expert, but i think most of understand why his style were to prefer in Belgium... S3 had 5 french freestylers from 4 differnt contries, and if im rigth, all live in france?... but thats another topic :)
Actually, 3 live in France (Séan, Wass & Andreas), Soufiane lives in Belgium and Nadir in Switzerland and although they had "their own" as judges, it's unfair to say Soufiane and Nadir went to SA only because of that.
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With all that being said, I'd just like to add my own opinion on this whole story.
First and foremost, groundmoves ARE a part of freestyle football. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a FACT. Freestyle came from street soccer, not the other way around. And please, don't even try to start with that shit about the circus jugglers and stuff like that. Just look at when and how freestyle football actually kicked off.
With that said, my opinion is that groundmoves are more of an "accessory", so to speak, than a basis, which will always be: Uppers, Lowers & Sits. For me, groundmoves fall into the same basket as hand moves, acrobatic tricks, etc. - you can add them to your repertoire to bring in more variety, but you can't really use them as a foundation for your freestyle.
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i wouldnt call them experts in groundmoves... they are better in their other styles!
I ment allrounders that have ground as their spesialty, not those who can do it ;)
i dont know any dutch freestyler that are good in all 4 styles... and has ground as best "style"
about the S3... okay lack of knowlegde... and ill take most of it back, beside i would think Sven and Thomas are better freestylers..?
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Liicht asked me if i really practice ground moves for HOURS...and..yeah for sure! damn! I am a freestyler ! just like others practice air/sit/upper i spend my time doing ground moves (when I am alone) and playing street football...i know others like me, what's the problem? As Miran said, this is freestyle football...and this is not my point of view.....this is the truth...and for LIS: you can't talk about a ground move trick without knowledge...i don't talk about things i don't know...peace
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Liicht if u really think ground moves are sooooo easy...u can make a video with better combos than Nelson, Randall, Achie, Ruud, Jazz, Matthew , Bencok ;)
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i wouldnt call them experts in groundmoves... they are better in their other styles!
I ment allrounders that have ground as their spesialty, not those who can do it ;)
i dont know any dutch freestyler that are good in all 4 styles... and has ground as best "style"
about the S3... okay lack of knowlegde... and ill take most of it back, beside i would think Sven and Thomas are better freestylers..?
You should've been more specific then. :)
But yeah, there aren't any who have grounds as a foundation, that's what I also mentioned in my post.
And yeah, I agree that Thomas or Sven are probably better freestlyers than Soufiane, they're technically much better for sure, but unfortunately, they didn't manage to show it at RBSS and that's the main reason why Soufiane won, not because Séan was in the jury. But hopefully next year they'll do better, Thomas has already shown last year in Prague that he can. :)
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any good allrounders that kickass in groundmoves? :) cant think of anyone...
Kamalio?
brizze
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ground moves are 1/4 of freestyle football, for sure! ground moves in a game= street football...and yeah, there are a lot of tricks i can say here! alain overstap, ankle breaker, double twist, rakka, mo' combo...pfffffffff! a lot of people disrespect ground moves cause they don't practice and they don't have knowledge...they're ridicolous! in the past i used to practice air moves before ground but i always respected them as an important part of freestyle football, as i respect sitdwon and upper even if i never spent time trying to practice them.Ars said he doesn't think people can spend a lot of time doing just ground moves, this is not true...when I don't play (street football) i practice ground moves for a lot of hours. I am a freestyler (football), for sure! I try to do harder combos almost every day just like you.
Air/Ground/Upper/Sit: this is Freestyle Football...4 style, 4 ever!!!
That doesn't sound like a freestyle move..
And "New Shit" does? lol
I don't think you got my point. Assuming that ankle breaker is similar to the basketball version of the move, you need to be against an opponent. If that's the case, then it's clearly a street football move.
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lol it isn't? What is it then?
anklebreaker !!!!!! which is the best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEc1uK0YSU&feature=related#)
LOL! I was way off.
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Liicht if u really think ground moves are sooooo easy...u can make a video with better combos than Nelson, Randall, Achie, Ruud, Jazz, Matthew , Bencok ;)
Thats not what i am saying at all.
Im just saying groundmoves is def the easiest style.
Thats the reason i suck at the other 3 styles. Because i dont have the mentality to practice it constantly. But grounds i got good at -- and i practised it LESS than the other 3 styles. - weird right?
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u're wrong...without practice u will never reach a high level..ground move masters practice for years
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u're wrong...without practice u will never reach a high level..ground move masters practice for years
I don't want to disrespect anyone who is practicing groundmoves, but how can you say that ground move masters practice for years? The complexity of groundmoves is far from the complexity of lowers; you need to practice lowers for years to become good at it, however you can be one of the best groundmovers if you practice them for a few months for up to a few hours a day.
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u're wrong...without practice u will never reach a high level..ground move masters practice for years
I don't want to disrespect anyone who is practicing groundmoves, but how can you say that ground move masters practice for years? The complexity of groundmoves is far from the complexity of lowers; you need to practice lowers for years to become good at it, however you can be one of the best groundmovers if you practice them for a few months for up to a few hours a day.
Same applies with uppers
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you can reach a high level in all styles! but lowers are waaaaaaaay ahead any other style when it comes to difficulty of tricks!
Because its been the main focus of freestylers since the beginning.
you cant argue with that...
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you can reach a high level in all styles! but lowers are waaaaaaaay ahead any other style when it comes to difficulty of tricks!
Because its been the main focus of freestylers since the beginning.
you cant argue with that...
+100500
and don't you dare to argue with that bitches... its a motherfucking fact - lowers > all other disciplines
can you argue with that? - no you can not
http://on.fb.me/qv2L8w (http://on.fb.me/qv2L8w) - click like - and go back to practicing lowers
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you can reach a high level in all styles! but lowers are waaaaaaaay ahead any other style when it comes to difficulty of tricks!
Because its been the main focus of freestylers since the beginning.
you cant argue with that...
I'm not sure about grounds though. Maybe because nobody has practiced grounds like you or any other lower-master has practiced lowers, we don't know what could be possible in grounds.
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we don't know what could be possible in grounds.
+1
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you can reach a high level in all styles! but lowers are waaaaaaaay ahead any other style when it comes to difficulty of tricks!
Because its been the main focus of freestylers since the beginning.
you cant argue with that...
+100500
and don't you dare to argue with that bitches... its a motherfucking fact - lowers > all other disciplines
can you argue with that? - no you can not
http://on.fb.me/qv2L8w (http://on.fb.me/qv2L8w) - click like - and go back to practicing lowers
hahahaha i like the idea of leha=voldemort. liked!
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you can reach a high level in all styles! but lowers are waaaaaaaay ahead any other style when it comes to difficulty of tricks!
Because its been the main focus of freestylers since the beginning.
you cant argue with that...
I'm not sure about grounds though. Maybe because nobody has practiced grounds like you or any other lower-master has practiced lowers, we don't know what could be possible in grounds.
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i don't talk about upper and sitdown cause i never spent time to try to practice them(even if i respect a lot other styles)...why people thinks to have knowledge to talk about ground moves? Nelson,Ruud, Randall, Achie are ground move masters and they started to practice a lot of time ago...this is simply the truth, not my opinion
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Elpibe:
Groundmoves are way easier than the other 3 styles.
Liicht is right.
If you really practice as much as you say, then you have to be the slowest improver in the history of freestyle.
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i will not reply anymore, i will talk with my skills...goodbye
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Relax guys... just keep training.... all we guys need is to take the level of each style higher.... for eg... if a guy is against ground moves..... don't argue here..... improve soo much that they start respecting ground moves aswel.
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Hows it going. In my opinion the sole fact that someone doesn't know a ground moves name does not mean that ground moves are not a part of freestyle. FREE style of football implies that one should not limit themselves simply to just 1 area, no matter how broad. What many freestylers seem to say is that: you are an air-mover if you do lowers only, ground-mover, if you do grounds only, lazy ass if you sit all the time, and a clown if you just do uppers? No matter what your speciality and preferences ( ! ) and style are, so long as you freestyle with a football, you are a football freestyler. It just so happens that ground-moves-freestylers are often streetsoccer players as well, hence the confusion, I guess.
In other words, grounds are a part of football FREEstyle.
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Hows it going. In my opinion the sole fact that someone doesn't know a ground moves name does not mean that ground moves are not a part of freestyle. FREE style of football implies that one should not limit themselves simply to just 1 area, no matter how broad. What many freestylers seem to say is that: you are an air-mover if you do lowers only, ground-mover, if you do grounds only, lazy ass if you sit all the time, and a clown if you just do uppers? No matter what your speciality and preferences ( ! ) and style are, so long as you freestyle with a football, you are a football freestyler. It just so happens that ground-moves-freestylers are often streetsoccer players as well, hence the confusion, I guess.
In other words, grounds are a part of football FREEstyle.
+1
Couldn't put it better myself.
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no!!