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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: L_I_S on Jul 04, 2011, 08:29: AM
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http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181141481939718 (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181141481939718)
It's meant to be just the burqa and the other full face covering only. The main reasons(despite a lot of the ignorant people in the event) is that the burqa wearers seem to have extra rights over everyone else and they're identity is concealed at all times. You can't wear a motorcycle helmet into a bank because it conceals your identity, when a police officer pulls you over, you can't have anything covering your identity either.
I'm undecided here. On the one hand I do agree that everyone should be made to follow the same laws and shouldn't have their identities concealed all the time for security reasons, on the other hand, what about all those chicks that wear a ton of make up..I mean, if you've seen any before and after make up pictures you can clearly see the huge difference. It's not exactly the same but it is similar to some degree.
What do you guys think about this?
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ban the bikini day.
at times of necessity those muslims of the opinion that niqab (burqa) is an obligation know they should uncover their faces. for example for identity checks, passport pictures etc...
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ban the bikini day.
Why?
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
Clothing to protect from cold serves a purpose unlike clothing to praise some sort of fictional entity.
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
Clothing to protect from cold serves a purpose unlike clothing to praise some sort of fictional entity.
it's clothing to protect from perverted eyes. not all women like stares
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
Clothing to protect from cold serves a purpose unlike clothing to praise some sort of fictional entity.
it's clothing to protect from perverted eyes. not all women like stares
Good thing you ignored my first post. I own as always, old news new story history repeats itself.
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
Clothing to protect from cold serves a purpose unlike clothing to praise some sort of fictional entity.
it's clothing to protect from perverted eyes. not all women like stares
Good thing you ignored my first post. I own as always, old news new story history repeats itself.
ban the bikini day because if covering yourselves is extreme uncovering yourself in front of others is also extreme.
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how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
Clothing to protect from cold serves a purpose unlike clothing to praise some sort of fictional entity.
it's clothing to protect from perverted eyes. not all women like stares
Good thing you ignored my first post. I own as always, old news new story history repeats itself.
ban the bikini day because if covering yourselves is extreme uncovering yourself in front of others is also extreme.
Nothing is being banned because it is extreme. It's being banned because police can't identify someone hiding his or her face.
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ban the bikini day.
Are you gay? would you have woman go around in over-sized cardigans instead???
I think Ban it (the Burqa) as it comes from a time wear woman had little or no rights, its a medieval thing. If a person wears it in a non-Muslim country they will not assimilate into the society of that country well, it promotes them to stay within their own communities and to not fully embrace the culture of their new country. (i mention this as its happening in Australia, which even though has many Muslims, i think it is a secular country).
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Remember: Head scarfs and all the other non-face covering veils are completely fine.
On the news recently they said it's all about the privacy and now they've given police officers the authority to check in situations like pulling over a car for speeding and shit like that. But that doesn't excuse the double standard for going into a bank or a petrol station.
how does a burqa conceal identity? wedding veils and winter clothes must be banned along with it then.
anyway, i just think it is a facebook page trollin with muslim sentiments.
They only wear those veils once in a life time(for happy couples) and besides, you can see right though them. Winter clothing? It doesn't snow over here so the most I've ever seen is someone with a beanie and a hoody which doesn't really cover the face or much of it.
ban the bikini day.
at times of necessity those muslims of the opinion that niqab (burqa) is an obligation know they should uncover their faces. for example for identity checks, passport pictures etc...
Aren't bikinis already banned in most Islamic countries because it's against the religion? In this case, it's for security reasons and double standards. Not everyone is Islamic but everyone would want to feel as secure as possible, wouldn't you agree?
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someone posted on that group why don't you let female officers do the identifying of muslim women instead? it will make everyone happy.
so? why not?
even if you can't do that, it's allowed for those of the opinion that niqab (burqah) is an obligation on women that you can take it off when deemed necessary, for example their passport/ID pictures (no one in Saudi Arabia - they're of the opinion that niqab is a must for women - has an id picture with their niqab on) , when there are police check ups etc...
ban the bikini day.
Are you gay? would you have woman go around in over-sized cardigans instead???
I think Ban it (the Burqa) as it comes from a time wear woman had little or no rights, its a medieval thing. If a person wears it in a non-Muslim country they will not assimilate into the society of that country well, it promotes them to stay within their own communities and to not fully embrace the culture of their new country. (i mention this as its happening in Australia, which even though has many Muslims, i think it is a secular country).
you'd have a man ogle at your mom, sister, wife, relatives etc...?
or do you like ogling at your mom, sister, (i'd ogle my wife when I have one of course :grin:), relatives etc...
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ok i agree, if muslims (like myself) are not allowed this for their women they should leave the country and go to some country which doesnt ban it.
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ok i agree, if muslims (like myself) are not allowed this for their women they should leave the country and go to some country which doesnt ban it.
i agree. if the country you're living in doesn't allow you to practice your religion properly then the earth is wide.
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they banned face covering in france - and they were right at doing soo
france is a european countiry, where muslims should not have a say, and if they don't like sth - they can get the fuck out
@oLi, @Damian - +1
why should bikini day be banned? ban it in your mediaval countries
banning burqa would make life safer - every woman with a face cover looks like a suicide bomber - and don't tell about generalizing - its a problem inside your community that there are radicals, terrorists, suicide bombers
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the only difference between a woman and a prostitute nowadays is a ring on their finger. just saying
oh and btw... before Islam in Arabia, ppl were dancing naked and praying naked for 1000's of years, and not just in arabia. tell me who's more ancient?
anyways this thread is not about the significance of the "burqah" but banning it.
what exactly will they do on that day? burn burqahs?
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haha thanks for the hate alex :)
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the only difference between a woman and a prostitute nowadays is a ring on their finger. just saying
oh and btw... before Islam in Arabia, ppl were dancing naked and praying naked for 1000's of years, and not just in arabia. tell me who's more ancient?
so it's your fault i can't dance naked in public anymore
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the only difference between a woman and a prostitute nowadays is a ring on their finger. just saying
oh and btw... before Islam in Arabia, ppl were dancing naked and praying naked for 1000's of years, and not just in arabia. tell me who's more ancient?
anyways this thread is not about the significance of the "burqah" but banning it.
what exactly will they do on that day? burn burqahs?
Wow. I am inclined to ask you if you're even serious but unfortunately I am certain you are.
May I ask you what you do for a living and what your dreams and/or aspirations are?
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someone posted on that group why don't you let female officers do the identifying of muslim women instead? it will make everyone happy.
so? why not?
There are way more male officers on the roads than there are women. When a burqa wearing person gets pulled over do you expect the officer to contact a female officer to look at her face? Straight away you can see the double standards.
they banned face covering in france - and they were right at doing soo
france is a european countiry, where muslims should not have a say, and if they don't like sth - they can get the fuck out
@oLi, @Damian - +1
why should bikini day be banned? ban it in your mediaval countries
banning burqa would make life safer - every woman with a face cover looks like a suicide bomber - and don't tell about generalizing - its a problem inside your community that there are radicals, terrorists, suicide bombers
Alex, please don't say things like that next time.
To the first bolded text, I'm sure it's possible for a European person to be muslim as well.
what exactly will they do on that day? burn burqahs?
People plan to wear balaclavas and walk around. I'm sure that not even 10% of the people that clicked attending are going to do anything.
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ban the bikini day.
Are you gay? would you have woman go around in over-sized cardigans instead???
i think you can not be gay and muslim :grin:
but good point hahaha - i like hot women wearing bikini and i don't think there are attractive muslim women - thats why they wear those bigass cardigans cause they have nothing to show - ok - this is just trolling now :grin: relax my muslim friends
my point muslims can do whatever they want in their countries - however once they come to europe/america - they should adjust to western culture and life-style or ofc they can preserve their traditions as long as they don't hurt others (e.g. not throwing stones at a woman wearing bikini, not wearing burqas on a plane, not trolling americans by constructing a mosque next to ground zero, not eating kids, having sex with goats etc)
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the only difference between a woman and a prostitute nowadays is a ring on their finger. just saying
oh and btw... before Islam in Arabia, ppl were dancing naked and praying naked for 1000's of years, and not just in arabia. tell me who's more ancient?
anyways this thread is not about the significance of the "burqah" but banning it.
what exactly will they do on that day? burn burqahs?
Wow. I am inclined to ask you if you're even serious but unfortunately I am certain you are.
May I ask you what you do for a living and what your dreams and/or aspirations are?
I'm a teacher and a supervisor for a school right now. My dreams? I don't want to give you an Islamic lesson.
what are you implying anyways?
Do you think that as Muslims we only think about spiritualism, women being overpowered, and killing non-Muslims?
@LIS
I forgot to clarify my post.
even if you can't do that, it's allowed for those of the opinion that niqab (burqah) is an obligation on women that you can take it off when deemed necessary, for example their passport/ID pictures (no one in Saudi Arabia - they're of the opinion that niqab is a must for women - has an id picture with their niqab on) , when there are police check ups etc...
Male officers may do the checking.
But of course when it comes to physical checking of weapons etc... it should be a female.
as I said, if it's too hard for Muslims to practice their religion in a country, the world is wide.
Also, yes you ppl can set your laws in your own countries. If they don't allow the niqab then the Muslims should look for a place that does.
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But of course when it comes to physical checking of weapons etc... it should be a female.
I think it's always been like that and I'm pretty sure it's like that in every country.
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the only difference between a woman and a prostitute nowadays is a ring on their finger. just saying
oh and btw... before Islam in Arabia, ppl were dancing naked and praying naked for 1000's of years, and not just in arabia. tell me who's more ancient?
anyways this thread is not about the significance of the "burqah" but banning it.
what exactly will they do on that day? burn burqahs?
Wow. I am inclined to ask you if you're even serious but unfortunately I am certain you are.
May I ask you what you do for a living and what your dreams and/or aspirations are?
I'm a teacher and a supervisor for a school right now. My dreams? I don't want to give you an Islamic lesson.
what are you implying anyways?
Do you think that as Muslims we only think about spiritualism, women being overpowered, and killing non-Muslims?
@LIS
I forgot to clarify my post.
even if you can't do that, it's allowed for those of the opinion that niqab (burqah) is an obligation on women that you can take it off when deemed necessary, for example their passport/ID pictures (no one in Saudi Arabia - they're of the opinion that niqab is a must for women - has an id picture with their niqab on) , when there are police check ups etc...
Male officers may do the checking.
But of course when it comes to physical checking of weapons etc... it should be a female.
as I said, if it's too hard for Muslims to practice their religion in a country, the world is wide.
Also, yes you ppl can set your laws in your own countries. If they don't allow the niqab then the Muslims should look for a place that does.
I am implying that you are a failure and you will continue to be one for the rest of your life unless you make some drastic changes
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ZOMG! OH NOES!!! ACCORDING TO OLI I'M A FAILURE!!! :undecided:
and exactly how am I a failure?
give me some pointers on how to live life mr. teacher. oh great one.
EDIT: do you mean I should "enjoy" life more?
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No, that's the end of that discussion. If you guys want to discuss what a failure is, make a thread :great:
I've had enough of every thread being completely off topic. Just once can we talk about the topic at hand?!
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Typical argument
The argument from some liberals and some Muslims is that only 1% of Muslim women in Britain wear it, you shouldn't have the right to see everyone's face if they don't want too, the women may feel insecure and treated racially inferior in this country and may want to hide her face
The argument from the more right, conservative is that they feel that women are being forced to wear them by men, they find it intimidating, crime etc
I understand where both argument's originate from, however i dont personally believe it should be banned if the women truely want's to wear it, if your'e getting intimidated and scared of a women's garment when there is war, famine, recessions in this world, you really need to man the fuck up
Some people will be protesting against the ban will actually be Facist, Islamaphobic , Racist etc however some wont
I think if your'e really going to get into this, i think atleast the burqa is only a peice of apparal, if your'e really going to ban this, what about the clothing nuns wear? jewish men being circumcised? strict jewish women having to shave their hair post marital engagement?
So if you're really going to ban the burqa, i guess those issues can be considered just as "Religiously controversial"
OMFG ROYAL FREAKINESS AHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
THE QOUTE OF THE DECADE HAS TO BE "YOU CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARRIED WOMEN AND PROSTITUES"
AHAHAH, so youre offended by the demonization of women in western culture? I can completely understand your point, HOWEVER
Wasnt it you that regulary updated the "hot babes" thread? ahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahah the sheer hypocritical view is making me cry in laughter
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Im a muslim and i dont like the burqa (I dont feel comfortable with people wearing them around me)
In Islam wearing burqa isnt a must for women. The must is hijab which is covering all a womens body except her face and hands(even though not all muslims women wear it )
I think everyone has the right to wear whatever they want, if u dont like their style of clothes no one forced u to be best friends with them
and btw its not common to find women wearing burqa over here
ban the bikini day.
Are you gay? would you have woman go around in over-sized cardigans instead???
i think you can not be gay and muslim :grin:
but good point hahaha - i like hot women wearing bikini and i don't think there are attractive muslim women - thats why they wear those bigass cardigans cause they have nothing to show - ok - this is just trolling now :grin: relax my muslim friends
my point muslims can do whatever they want in their countries - however once they come to europe/america - they should adjust to western culture and life-style or ofc they can preserve their traditions as long as they don't hurt others (e.g. not throwing stones at a woman wearing bikini, not wearing burqas on a plane, not trolling americans by constructing a mosque next to ground zero,not eating kids, having sex with goats etc)
Is that what u really think about Islam?
Please dont post information ur not aware about because obviously you have no clue what is islam
Also you think that we are still in the medieval times ,come here and see how medieval we are
and u think kicking 7-8 million people from france is a good idea?
No need for the aggressive attitude :)
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Typical argument
The argument from some liberals and some Muslims is that only 1% of Muslim women in Britain wear it, you shouldn't have the right to see everyone's face if they don't want too, the women may feel insecure and treated racially inferior in this country and may want to hide her face
The argument from the more right, conservative is that they feel that women are being forced to wear them by men, they find it intimidating, crime etc
I understand where both argument's originate from, however i dont personally believe it should be banned if the women truely want's to wear it, if your'e getting intimidated and scared of a women's garment when there is war, famine, recessions in this world, you really need to man the fuck up
Some people will be protesting against the ban will actually be Facist, Islamaphobic , Racist etc however some wont
I think if your'e really going to get into this, i think atleast the burqa is only a peice of apparal, if your'e really going to ban this, what about the clothing nuns wear? jewish men being circumcised? strict jewish women having to shave their hair post marital engagement?
So if you're really going to ban the burqa, i guess those issues can be considered just as "Religiously controversial"
OMFG ROYAL FREAKINESS AHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
THE QOUTE OF THE DECADE HAS TO BE "YOU CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARRIED WOMEN AND PROSTITUES"
AHAHAH, so youre offended by the demonization of women in western culture? I can completely understand your point, HOWEVER
Wasnt it you that regulary updated the "hot babes" thread? ahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahah the sheer hypocritical view is making me cry in laughter
No man, it's because of the security risk(I'm not implying anything with that) and the double standards.
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Typical argument
The argument from some liberals and some Muslims is that only 1% of Muslim women in Britain wear it, you shouldn't have the right to see everyone's face if they don't want too, the women may feel insecure and treated racially inferior in this country and may want to hide her face
The argument from the more right, conservative is that they feel that women are being forced to wear them by men, they find it intimidating, crime etc
I understand where both argument's originate from, however i dont personally believe it should be banned if the women truely want's to wear it, if your'e getting intimidated and scared of a women's garment when there is war, famine, recessions in this world, you really need to man the fuck up
Some people will be protesting against the ban will actually be Facist, Islamaphobic , Racist etc however some wont
I think if your'e really going to get into this, i think atleast the burqa is only a peice of apparal, if your'e really going to ban this, what about the clothing nuns wear? jewish men being circumcised? strict jewish women having to shave their hair post marital engagement?
So if you're really going to ban the burqa, i guess those issues can be considered just as "Religiously controversial"
OMFG ROYAL FREAKINESS AHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
THE QOUTE OF THE DECADE HAS TO BE "YOU CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARRIED WOMEN AND PROSTITUES"
AHAHAH, so youre offended by the demonization of women in western culture? I can completely understand your point, HOWEVER
Wasnt it you that regulary updated the "hot babes" thread? ahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahah the sheer hypocritical view is making me cry in laughter
am I on the hot babes thread now?
I was a 14/15 then and I was wanker. Whatever religion you're from you'll get wankers. :embarrassed:
my actions that go against my religion doesn't make my religion wrong but makes me wrong.
but it's true now, you cannot tell the difference between normal women and prostitutes anymore. or it's harder now at least.
just look at all the celebrities now or the women walking in the malls. too many ppl whoring around their bodies and now it has become the norm.
for the ppl that think Islam is a religion for ancient ppl, please think again. We're not against any innovation when it comes to technology or other stuff not related to religion, but like every society there are rules. We believe the rules set in Islam will help the community as a whole grow. Just like you wouldn't allow a totally naked woman on the streets (now you would)
anyways, do you ppl really believe that the more you uncover a woman the more modern you are? what I was implying in one of my previous posts was that the ppl before the Prophet became a Prophet were also naked and approved art of women etc...
Is covering up a woman really causing society to go backwards?
But like I said the other countries have the right to apply their own rules because the Muslims don't have power over them. Although I really don't see how banning the burqah will reinforce the security. As I said even male officers have the right to check the women when deemed necessary and it is allowed for those of the opinion that niqab is a must that you can uncover your face.
Banning the burqah means that those ppl will have to migrate because they feel that they will be sinning.
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Wow RF you are right and stop discussing with these people who can't accept the truth !!
Its just a stupid event they made to make Muslims angry apart that they can't do nothing :great:
Islam is a way of life :)
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fuck religion :098:
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Just like with Christianity and most other religions, strong believers are told to influence non-believers and almost force their religion on others.
I really hate that about religious people. You would think the book would say something about respecting those of other religions/non-believers and minding your own fockin business.
If people don't believe and your religion dies, then so be it. Don't force yourself on others and quit looking down upon those that don't think like you. Everyone has different values, which is why peopl should STFU about religion and keep it to themselves.
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Just like with Christianity and most other religions, strong believers are told to influence non-believers and almost force their religion on others.
I really hate that about religious people. You would think the book would say something about respecting those of other religions/non-believers and minding your own fockin business.
If people don't believe and your religion dies, then so be it. Don't force yourself on others and quit looking down upon those that don't think like you. Everyone has different values, which is why peopl should STFU about religion and keep it to themselves.
If I recall correctly most books have exact contrary messages, meaning you are obliged to try convert others into it. Not sure about the others but Islam has some very lovely messages about those believing in a different religion and even nicer messages about those who don't believe in any holy Spaghetti-monster floating in the sky.
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That's good, but I hear the bible says part of being a good Christian is spreading word about the religion to all others.
I know for Islam, you are supposed to defend your religion if it's threatened. Of course everyone has their own interpretation of threat to your religion and how to defend it. This is the reasoning terrorist use to attack the western world. They argue the western world is destroying their religion and they are merely doing what the Quran is asking them to do; defend your religion. Most of this is viewed as BS by most Muslims though. No sane Muslim would think their God would want them to interpret things in such a way.
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oli and adi, you are heavily misinformed.
Islam tells us to show good character and this might bring those with a wide independent thinking to the circle of islam. It doesnt tell us to go banging on others doors, which unfortunately happens (same with other religions and political movements). Let me use the freestyle analogy.
You cant make others do freestyle. The best thing you can do is improve yourself which stands out way more than a million words speech(tips) or forcing people.
the same with religion.
its true people do it wrong. but people are wrong about other things too.
and adi, you are heavily brainwashed man. If you lived half a century back you would be against vitnamese/ russians etc. you cant help that you chose to listen to news rather than having an independent thinking mind.
Whatever religion, race, good or evil, most important thing is to have an independent mind. the best guide :)
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Actually, what I wrote above came from a close friend who is a Muslim. He simply explained to me the 'justified' thinking of terrorist for using religion to commit their acts of violence.
My second statement focused on Christianity which in fact tells you to spread the word about the religion to make it stronger. It's been told to me by many Christians even when I called them out for not being right about doing that.