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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Help and Advice => Topic started by: L_I_S on Apr 06, 2011, 05:25: PM
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Might aswell change the title of the thread. I'll re-make the "How to be a hardcore lower freestyler" when this thread dies.
Okay, now we can have a thread where you can learn what moves, how to train etc on only hardcore lowers.
I will keep this thread up to date.
Let's start:
What moves are useless for hardcore lower freestyle?
What moves are essential for hardcore lower freestyle?
How long and what method should freestylers train?
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Ethan needs to post here :grin:
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No, leha
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No, Uncle Sam.
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
can u explain the advantage in this?
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No, Uncle Sam.
yeah give tricks on eclipse and clipper please miran. these tricks are so hardcore nobody can learn them without your tips
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
can u explain the advantage in this?
i guess for weak alatw and all inside movements you do with weak foot in general
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
can u explain the advantage in this?
Weak foot is your weak. It's hard to learn smth, but it's easy to get used to smth new. Other words, weak foot is better for both atws in and out at high level. You should get atws in 1stly for latws and combos with them (e.g., latw-hmatw-alatw weak foot) and alatw-hmatw. Then it won't be too hard to get your hatws out perfect with them. Trust me, its much harder to get your hatws out perfect with strong foot than with weak if you train atws in from the beginning.
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i dont agree.. i like doing multiple hatws and i think theyre both the same.. neither is harder. and i never train inside for anything lol
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@Leha, according to you how much should one train per week?
why dont you fs now?
does everyone in russia agree to your theories?
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i dont agree.. i like doing multiple hatws and i think theyre both the same.. neither is harder. and i never train inside for anything lol
I guess, that's the reason why I didn't see even latw-ahmatw-alatw or latw-hmatw-alatw from you :D
@Leha, according to you how much should one train per week?
why dont you fs now?
does everyone in russia agree to your theories?
5-6 days per week for 5-6 hours per day.
Dunno about everyone, I just post my tutorials in russian social network. But get many good feedbacks for them.
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No, Uncle Sam.
yeah give tricks on eclipse and clipper please miran. these tricks are so hardcore nobody can learn them without your tips
Give tricks on tricks? That's quite a revolutionary idea you've got there Max! :You_Rock_Emoticon:
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so ppl who use rco are not hardcore?
skora?
brian lockyer?
or does "hardcore" nowadays mean amatw/matw nts, a few tatw/atatw nts, ahmatw, ahtatw, alatw, patw, pmatw, skatw, skmatw, eatw, ematw etc...
what happened to having a huge variety of tricks and mixing them together like Skora?
I guess that's why there are so few comments on "hardcore" videos nowadays. Too little variety, very boring repetitive combos, no style (not talking about bendy legs or smoothness)
That's why I still say Skora's the most hardcore until now, he doesn't forget the tricks he learned and tries to add to his arsenal of moves. You guys are killing hardcore freestyle. Bunch of robots.
:You_Rock_Emoticon: :stupid:
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so ppl who use rco are not hardcore?
skora?
brian lockyer?
or does "hardcore" nowadays mean amatw/matw nts, a few tatw/atatw nts, ahmatw, ahtatw, alatw, patw, pmatw, skatw, skmatw, eatw, ematw etc...
what happened to having a huge variety of tricks and mixing them together like Skora?
I guess that's why there are so few comments on "hardcore" videos nowadays. Too little variety, very boring repetitive combos, no style (not talking about bendy legs or smoothness)
That's why I still say Skora's the most hardcore until now, he doesn't forget the tricks he learned and tries to add to his arsenal of moves. You guys are killing hardcore freestyle. Bunch of robots.
:You_Rock_Emoticon: :stupid:
I was saying about tricks, which you shouldn't train, shouldn't waste time on them. If you get high level it wont take you much to learn rco.
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@Leha does everyone in russia agree to your theories?
truth is - if you ask any hardcore Russian lower freestyler - ARS, German or Any0ne for example - about Leha's contribution - you'll be surprised what they tell you
when here on bf he is quite underrated - in Russian community he is the most influential and respected person in fact
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@Leha does everyone in russia agree to your theories?
truth is - if you ask any hardcore Russian lower freestyler - ARS, German or Any0ne for example - about Leha's contribution - you'll be surprised what they tell you
when here on bf he is quite underrated - in Russian community he is the most influential and respected person in fact
he is underrated here because he hasn't done much here, I guess. if these awesome tutorials could be translated i think many would appreciate it considering most people know leha does have alot of knowledge about lowers.
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
But didn't you say that inside ATWs are bad for knees?
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Ethan should describe his approach of improving long combos here :D
To be serious, perfect 'distribution' in hardcore lowers is: strong foot - out tricks, weak - in. It means that you 'strong' atws should be in for weak foot and out for strong. Of course, tricks of 2nd stage(tatw, matw,...,kamatw,katatw+basic abbas-moves) must be learnt by both feet.
That's why what is useless for hardcore lowers:
-strong foot: smth harder in abbas-tricks than beck atw, ahmatw, ahtatw;
-weak foot: latw out.
For boths: crosses, rcrosses, tb and other bullshit.
About methods - it's worth to write a book - too much to say.
But didn't you say that inside ATWs are bad for knees?
All freestyle is not good for your health.
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lol, freestyle = health.
All sports are good if not practice too ... I think it is better to vary upper-lower-sit to let the muscles recover.. ;)
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No, Uncle Sam.
Woo!
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Can we get more tips?
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I don't think the concept of being 'hardcore' can be confined to such limited ideas nor can the application of 'theory' serve as a mechanism to justify what is hardcore and what is not.
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i agree with more or less everything leha has said. but i still dont agree u need high hatw/atw/htw records to achieve high combo records!
just wanna add that i think achieving a high level is just as much about your psychological technique in training as it is about your physical...interested to know leha has to say about that?
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i agree with more or less everything leha has said. but i still dont agree u need high hatw/atw/htw records to achieve high combo records!
just wanna add that i think achieving a high level is just as much about your psychological technique in training as it is about your physical...interested to know leha has to say about that?
I had trained combosa and got smth about 50-55 moves with all transitions and many hatws having 16 htws in records. Of course, it isnt necessary to have high records, but look, for example, at Ars - he was training his records firstly, only then - long combos, and he has great consistence and high level in them. So, it isnt necessary, but that way its easier to get perfect long combos with confidence about them.
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
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All freestyle is not good for your health.
Freestyle? What do you mean? =)
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
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does "hardcore" have any definitions?
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does "hardcore" have any definitions?
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chuck norris
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
russians learn skatw in a year.
arTes isn't worth mentioning?
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does "hardcore" have any definitions?
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I guess it's just another word for difficult standard moves/combos.
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
OK-
LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.
PS-ARS and MP are the bestests
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
OK-
LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.
PS-ARS and MP are the bestests
Then call all lower-styles and say in which russians aren't masters.
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.
PS-ARS and MP are the bestests
Then call all lower-styles and say in which russians aren't masters.
No touch master is Mirko and Tobias Becs
becs variation master is brian
latw-alatw variation master is mirko,domybd
atatw-gunther(exception)
Only ARS and MP are masters in ahmatw-ahtatw combos and its triple variations with crossover ending(also german)
and these have extremely high level in the other styles as well,no.2 in other hardcore variety
and other russians who can do even half of the mentioned variations?all of them?And I'm talking about being high level in everything..not just single dimensional.
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ok and where are your great South America freestylers in these categories? no master in anything from South America. i believe ARS German and MP beat everyone from SA in lowers and started freestyle way later. plus the other guys you mentioned as masters are also mainly masters in one category (except Mirko and Becs) while russians are on high level in everything and in a shorter time of freestyle. i dont get your argumentation vish22
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Max, i have already mentioned that ARS,German and MP and masters in ahmatw,ahtatw and their cross and triple variations.They are not no.1 nor no.2,in no touches nor bec variations nor latw-alatw variations,but they are crazy nonetheless.
Anyways,that was not my point,what i am trying to say that who else??u tell me,other than these 3-4 hardcore insane machines,who else is even near them in russia huh??can any1 else in russia do more than 5 amatws nt?triple bec variation??4alatws???
You can talk about a high level,but u need to be good in all categories to attain an overall high level which clearly 80% russians are not
They just are insane in ahmatws and ahtatws and putting them in longish,combos.and they train 6 hrs everyday.but yes,the average level in russia is way higher than in europe,and big big for that and nobodys pushing them down for that.
Now look at south america,do u think they train 6 hrs everyday??crasso moslo,LKR,esteban,to name a few have trained a bit more than 2 years and dont u think they have attained a higher overall level than the 80% russians who train 6hrs everyday?
can u get what i'm saying now?
Russians,practice other hardcore variations a bit more and then nobody can touch u
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vish22, how many russian fsers did u see? I've given to you an the example of russian who has amazing latw-alatw-ahmatw variations, but u have never seen him at all. And there are smth about 100 such fsers about who you don't even know. And still, average level in all styles is still much higher in Russia when anywhere else.
Yea, I think brazilian train exactly that time - 5-6 hrs.
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other than ars mp akim german and anyoone
i know patch,amico,pavlinof,pavlov,artem,jambo,these are imrpessive but not near the very best...
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and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?
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and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?
Dunno about consistence, but his record is 5 amatws nt. Ahtatws - as I know, only 2. But he has over 50 atws weak foot and great long combos.
Btw didn't see any other than russian freestyler who would have any good weak foot:(
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crasso freestyling for 2 years?? plain bullshit at least 4 years.
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but his amatw imrpvement?that didnt take more than 5 months
and Max,you need to understand,4 years ago,many wouldnt have believed what they could have achieved unless they thought it was possible.
Now,we know for sure nothing is impossible,and big thanks to russians for that.
And dunnowhois,you what is the only difference between skora and other freestylers,in terms of technical ability?
Skora has mastered each and every possible variation almost of each and every combo which many attempt nowadays..
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but his amatw imrpvement?that didnt take more than 5 months
and Max,you need to understand,4 years ago,many wouldnt have believed what they could have achieved unless they thought it was possible.
Now,we know for sure nothing is impossible,and big thanks to russians for that.
he has done 5 amatw nt combo like 2,5 years ago. and yes i know about the improvement mentality, i have started in november 2006 myself. still russians improve faster plus crasso isnt allrounded in lowers either
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ok sorry i didnt know that bro,but he went from 5 to 10+ in less than 6 months,which is really respectable
Crasso is not the main point here,nor is what we are talking about(i hope this oftopic discussion can be pardoned)
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and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?
Dunno about consistence, but his record is 5 amatws nt. Ahtatws - as I know, only 2. But he has over 50 atws weak foot and great long combos.
Btw didn't see any other than russian freestyler who would have any good weak foot:(
Nobody has a good weak foot,u need to train it
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and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?
Dunno about consistence, but his record is 5 amatws nt. Ahtatws - as I know, only 2. But he has over 50 atws weak foot and great long combos.
Btw didn't see any other than russian freestyler who would have any good weak foot:(
Nobody has a good weak foot,u need to train it
Yea? :D I'm saying that almost nobody has good weak foot excluding Russia where each 2nd has it great.
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.
PS-ARS and MP are the bestests
lol man, you say that there is way more to be styled in, not just specific move, and then you point out amatws/batw variations.
There are many russians who are consistent in amatw nt, they get 4 amatw nts in 1/4th of the time it takes most fsers to get that level. Also, you can talk to brian lockyer about batw variations, i heard some guy from russia challenged him to a batw variation thing - he obviously has a high level in becks to challenge brian.
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Nobody has a good weak foot,u need to train it
Joe Davies never had a weak foot
He spent a year training atw-hatw-atw-hatw etc lol
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hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha
Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?
Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
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LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.
Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.
Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.
PS-ARS and MP are the bestests
lol man, you say that there is way more to be styled in, not just specific move, and then you point out amatws/batw variations.
There are many russians who are consistent in amatw nt, they get 4 amatw nts in 1/4th of the time it takes most fsers to get that level. Also, you can talk to brian lockyer about batw variations, i heard some guy from russia challenged him to a batw variation thing - he obviously has a high level in becks to challenge brian
no,their highly inconsistent in nts.,you definately havent observed that.And 4 nts can be attained in less than 5 months,its not that great.and name few who have crossed the hurdle of 4?the world record is probably more than 18 and we are on 4?and youre talking about being the best?
And if youre talking about Pep..his level is more than average in batws but no where near brians
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vish22, show me someine who got 4 amatws nt after 5 months of trainings.
You are like zombie talking on drugs - why do you compare average all-style hardcore lower level in Russia to one style of someone whos the best in that in the world? For example, sombody in Russia who has been training for 1 year and have 4 amatws nt to guy wo has been training for already more than 4 years with 17? Doctor needs, really.
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vish22, show me someine who got 4 amatws nt after 5 months of trainings.
You are like zombie talking on drugs - why do you compare average all-style hardcore lower level in Russia to one style of someone whos the best in that in the world? For example, sombody in Russia who has been training for 1 year and have 4 amatws nt to guy wo has been training for already more than 4 years with 17? Doctor needs, really.
i said 5 months of training for nts.
You are trying to prove that russian lowers are the best in the world(on a general level)
i'm telling you what the best in the world is,and also telling that russian level is very very high,but not the best
Only MP and ARS are two hardcore real freestylers,best in russia and world
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vish22, show me someone who got 4 amatws nt after 5 months of trainings.
You are like zombie talking on drugs - why do you compare average all-style hardcore lower level in Russia to one style of someone whos the best in that in the world? For example, sombody in Russia who has been training for 1 year and have 4 amatws nt to guy wo has been training for already more than 4 years with 17? Doctor needs, really.
After training amatw nt for 5 months or after training freestyle from nothing after 5 months?
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vish22, ahahah :D If I trained matws nt, satw, I would reach 4 amatws nt in maximum 2 months!
'i'm telling you what the best in the world is,and also telling that russian level is very very high,but not the best' - then 'the best country in the world' is the country where all fsers are top level? :D
And about Crasso, most bullshit Ive ever heard about nts.
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vish22, ahahah :D If I trained matws nt, satw, I would reach 4 amatws nt in maximum 2 months!
'i'm telling you what the best in the world is,and also telling that russian level is very very high,but not the best' - then 'the best country in the world' is the country where all fsers are top level? :D
And about Crasso, most bullshit Ive ever heard about nts.
Yes,exatly,which Russia isnt as yet,but you are yet claiming it to be..
and there is nothing shitty about Crasso nt imrpvement
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vish22, ahahah :D If I trained matws nt, satw, I would reach 4 amatws nt in maximum 2 months!
'i'm telling you what the best in the world is,and also telling that russian level is very very high,but not the best' - then 'the best country in the world' is the country where all fsers are top level? :D
And about Crasso, most bullshit Ive ever heard about nts.
Yes,exatly,which Russia isnt as yet,but you are yet claiming it to be..
and there is nothing shitty about Crasso nt imrpvement
Quote my wordsa exactly about that! I say about improvement and level of all lower styles! And u still compare 1,5-2 years russians to 4-5 years brazilians and others! As for that, they will suck in some years when those russians will have been training for already the same 4-5 years.
About Crasso, according to your logic train awful skatw, 2 skatws, 10 matw nt with bad style, then change that in some months and cry 'Im motherfucker, I fuck all of you - I did 2 skatws, 10 matw in 2 months'! Idiot.
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THIS ARGUMENT IS CONFUSING! AND OFF TOPIC TOO.
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Vish22 you are an idiot.
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Vish22 you are an idiot.
no you are an idiot. he can do skora nt etc and you cannot :)
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tbc, shut the fuck up, little kid! Write statements and arguments nor be silent.
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tbc, shut the fuck up, little kid! Write statements and arguments nor be silent.
ok sorry.
continue the arguments :039:
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Vish22 you are an idiot.
no you are an idiot. he can do skora nt etc and you cannot :)
This isn't a comparison between my level and his level dumb fuck. He's comparing people who have been fsing for 4+ years to someone who's been fsing for 1-1.5 years.
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Vish22 you are an idiot.
no you are an idiot. he can do skora nt etc and you cannot :)
This isn't a comparison between my level and his level dumb fuck. He's comparing people who have been fsing for 4+ years to someone who's been fsing for 1-1.5 years.
and you shouldnt be posting here. you just started lowers and you give your input like an expert?
i posted to say the argument is confusing, (Leha's english is not understandable). I respect Leha and want to understand the argument. i wish he had better english and vish22 is not expressing himself fully either.
vish22 was not insulting people like you did to him, he even apologized if he took the thread in the wrong direction and you come here insulting him?
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vish22 you are a cheap troll, stop trolling
none of your posts make any sense, if you don't like russian fs - you can keep you mouth shut and develop fs in india, pakistan or whatever you are from
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Vish22 you are an idiot.
no you are an idiot. he can do skora nt etc and you cannot :)
This isn't a comparison between my level and his level dumb fuck. He's comparing people who have been fsing for 4+ years to someone who's been fsing for 1-1.5 years.
and you shouldnt be posting here. you just started lowers and you give your input like an expert?
i posted to say the argument is confusing, (Leha's english is not understandable). I respect Leha and want to understand the argument. i wish he had better english and vish22 is not expressing himself fully either.
vish22 was not insulting people like you did to him, he even apologized if he took the thread in the wrong direction and you come here insulting him?
It does not take an expert to see a comparison between (2) different freestylers.
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tbc, shut the fuck up, little kid! Write statements and arguments nor be silent.
hahaha Leha is getting in rage - so i tell you mofos - do not argue with him
face it pussies - level in russia is so high largely due to his contribution to the development of this sport in russia - that would be no ars, no any0ne, no german etc
what are you trying to prove him? don't waste your time
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tbc, shut the fuck up, little kid! Write statements and arguments nor be silent.
hahaha Leha is getting in rage - so i tell you mofos - do not argue with him
face it pussies - level in russia is largely due to his contribution to the development of this sport in russia - that would be no ars, no any0ne, no german etc
what are you trying to prove him? don't waste your time
i didnt pick up any arguments. but will let it rest now.
i always learn from leha's posts :)
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i didn't want to post here originally - because i do not know how to be hardcore freestyler, however some people are hurting leha's feelings here - so i felt like i should back him up
because even though he may struggle with getting his message through - he is right in all of his posts here
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Ok,first of all,ARS,MP and German are my inspirations and the bests in the world,I'm saying it again...
can't you see the weakness of 80% of russians,who everyone claims to be "of the highest level"?? Yes,they have a high level,but they arent all round hardcore,dont you agree on this?this is my main point..
and for everybody who is comparing last 4 years fsers to last 1.5 years fsers
i have to again repeat that 4 years ago,nobody would have thought what they could have achieved unless they thought it was possible..and so they trained harder and got hardcore standards in all styles within 7-8 months,of REAL practice,as compared to "enjoying it"
and i am not disrespecting dunnowhois or anybody else
i love the russian freestyle scene and i wish i was there instead of here
So i'm sorry to anyone whos taking my criticism as an insult
ahahaha,such baseless and superficial people here
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all right vish22 - tbh i like you man
but some of you posts didn't make any sense to me - it seemed you were just trolling leha to piss him off - which is totally ok - but is sorta a waste of time - and i think this whole thread was started - to create arguments
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How to be a hardcore lower freestyler:
So far we've got nothing. Great going guy's..I really wanted to learn and share with everyone some tips on becoming a strong lower freestyler, but instead it was more important to discuss who learnt amatw nt faster and who's the best at lowers.
You guy's suck :021: :021:
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Look alex,i care more for your opinions on my thought and criticism rather than me,of which, anyway,ure not getting the point
i can be very specific for many russian fsers but then everyone would think i'm an idiot,so i was generalising it and telling it,and that too seemed to have made some people angry
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Look alex,i care more for your opinions on my thought and criticism rather than me,of which, anyway,ure not getting the point
i can be very specific for many russian fsers but then everyone would think i'm an idiot,so i was generalising it and telling it,and that too seemed to have made some people angry
You are really idiot! Freestyle for 'fun' still make ur level higher in freestyle. Ur stpid example Crasso - he trained fuck hard for 3 years with his shitty style, then he changed it and u say 'he has got his 8 amatws nt in 4 months'! You are idiot - he has been training them for 3,5 years! And it doesn't mean whan generation he belongs to!
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Yes,it makes your level higher,but it does not let you push yourself and open up your imagination to more harder varities.
ok,i already told you that i didnt know that about crasso and he is not the main point of my argument and show him some respect
and u still left many of my questions unanswered
Pavlinoff-6ahmatws,cant even do tatw-batw nt,3 amatw nt consistently,cant even do 4 latws and hes training for 2 years +
amico and patch-i sometimes feel bad for them as everyone are under illusion that their great,but what?amatw-amatw-htw nt??and then loong combo?how many latws?
latw-ahmatw-alatw guy,can he get tatw-ahmatw nt,and u already dont know at all about his nt levels which should be high is he gets such hard latw-ahmatw combos
and there is hardly anybody else in russia(among 80%fsers) who can do all harder variations,other than ahmatw,ahtatw and long combo
Even pavlov-it hurts me to see he cant do ANY fast hard variety
dont get me wrong,each is top class,but only in what he does best,and you are calling them best in world???
PS-does anybody remember level of ARS and MP when they could get long combos and 6 ahmatws as these guys?they could get almost all harder variations then..
100 such freestylers it seems,all illusion people
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Какой же ты мудак нахуй нерусский. Дерево блять.
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Какой же ты мудак нахуй нерусский. Дерево блять.
ahaha,good one
now tell me answers why do u think they are best when they can do only variation of one trick properly...
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Quote from: vish22 on Yesterday at 05:25 AM
Quote from: dunnowhois on Yesterday at 05:16 AM
vish22, ahahah :D If I trained matws nt, satw, I would reach 4 amatws nt in maximum 2 months!
'i'm telling you what the best in the world is,and also telling that russian level is very very high,but not the best' - then 'the best country in the world' is the country where all fsers are top level? :D
And about Crasso, most bullshit Ive ever heard about nts.
Yes,exatly,which Russia isnt as yet,but you are yet claiming it to be..
and there is nothing shitty about Crasso nt imrpvement
Quote my wordsa exactly about that! I say about improvement and level of all lower styles! And u still compare 1,5-2 years russians to 4-5 years brazilians and others! As for that, they will suck in some years when those russians will have been training for already the same 4-5 years.
About Crasso, according to your logic train awful skatw, 2 skatws, 10 matw nt with bad style, then change that in some months and cry 'Im motherfucker, I fuck all of you - I did 2 skatws, 10 matw in 2 months'! Idiot.
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Yes,it makes your level higher,but it does not let you push yourself and open up your imagination to more harder varities.
ok,i already told you that i didnt know that about crasso and he is not the main point of my argument and show him some respect
and u still left many of my questions unanswered
Pavlinoff-6ahmatws,cant even do tatw-batw nt,3 amatw nt consistently,cant even do 4 latws and hes training for 2 years +
amico and patch-i sometimes feel bad for them as everyone are under illusion that their great,but what?amatw-amatw-htw nt??and then loong combo?how many latws?
latw-ahmatw-alatw guy,can he get tatw-ahmatw nt,and u already dont know at all about his nt levels which should be high is he gets such hard latw-ahmatw combos
and there is hardly anybody else in russia(among 80%fsers) who can do all harder variations,other than ahmatw,ahtatw and long combo
Even pavlov-it hurts me to see he cant do ANY fast hard variety
dont get me wrong,each is top class,but only in what he does best,and you are calling them best in world???
PS-does anybody remember level of ARS and MP when they could get long combos and 6 ahmatws as these guys?they could get almost all harder variations then..
100 such freestylers it seems,all illusion people
I really don't understand your argument... what other variations are you looking for?
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He's trying to say that there's no Russian freestylers(except a few) who are good at all types of lower moves. Good at tatw, matw, amatw nt, atatw nt, ahmatw, alatw, htatw, 3 rev moves, long combos and so on.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Vish22.
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The 80% russian fsers including pavlov,amico,patch,pavlinoff etc etc,who everone claim to be HARDCORE and BEST AMONG THE WORLD,are actually really one dimensional,they are top class in a few tricks ONLY,which they do,but not other variations,like LIS is mentioning,and i mean hardcore standard combos lis-like nt amatw-batw,etc etc,and not indivisual tricks,lol
and no LIS,take off long combos and ahmatw,ahtatw from those examples,because they are very good at them
i'm not saying any standard variations but say for eg. satw-batw nt...this is not very hard if u are training to be top class and even after 2 years training 6 hrs everyday,but who do u think other than ARS and MP and get this combo in russia?who?
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patch and amico are not rusisan, they are from ukraine - which is a different country
if you wanna hate on russian freestyle - go ahead - nothing will change - it will keep growing over there
in your country - nothing will change - it will stay at a low level because you have no leha, no ars, no people who would push others to practicing harder
and plz stop trolling
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patch and amico are not rusisan, they are from ukraine - which is a different country
if you wanna hate on russian freestyle - go ahead - nothing will change - it will keep growing over there
in your country - nothing will change - it will stay at a low level because you have no leha, no ars, no people who would push others to practicing harder
and plz stop trolling
Excuse me?
He's not hating on russian freestyle.
He just means to say that the overall russian level is not as hardcore as ARS and MP's level, which is true of course.
And we don't need any tutor to teach us freestyle, thank you very much.
Peace
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alex,i'm not hating on anyone,i'm just telling you what i think is wrong with your claims,and what u can look at to improve..
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I would love to meet Leha and Alexfs one day, they sound like characters :)
What does 'trolling' mean?
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i'm trolling apparently,even i'm not sure what it means
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patch and amico are not rusisan, they are from ukraine - which is a different country
if you wanna hate on russian freestyle - go ahead - nothing will change - it will keep growing over there
in your country - nothing will change - it will stay at a low level because you have no leha, no ars, no people who would push others to practicing harder
and plz stop trolling
Excuse me?
He's not hating on russian freestyle.
He just means to say that the overall russian level is not as hardcore as ARS and MP's level, which is true of course.
And we don't need any tutor to teach us freestyle, thank you very much.
Peace
That's why the level of freestyle is still like in 2009 :DD
vish22, where did I claim that every single russian is the best in each lower-style?! Show me that!
About your stupid combo - do u think it's top class combo? :D Show me at least 10 fsers in Europe who can do 3 alatws easy!
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patch and amico are not rusisan, they are from ukraine - which is a different country
if you wanna hate on russian freestyle - go ahead - nothing will change - it will keep growing over there
in your country - nothing will change - it will stay at a low level because you have no leha, no ars, no people who would push others to practicing harder
and plz stop trolling
Excuse me?
He's not hating on russian freestyle.
He just means to say that the overall russian level is not as hardcore as ARS and MP's level, which is true of course.
And we don't need any tutor to teach us freestyle, thank you very much.
Peace
That's why the level of freestyle is still like in 2009 :DD
vish22, where did I claim that every single russian is the best in each lower-style?! Show me that!
About your stupid combo - do u think it's top class combo? :D Show me at least 10 fsers in Europe who can do 3 alatws easy!
back to the topic please?
Leha, how hardcore is this? i would like to know how much time do u think it takes to reach this level of 3 alatws? alatws is one thing which impresses me most about russians.
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i say leha is more important and more popular in russia than mahatma ghandi in india
that is why - i am hurt to see you make him sad
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if they are not the best in each lower style,then why do u say they are world's bests?and that nobody can touch them??(at least in your heart that's what u mean)
as for my combo-
if u are anywhere near top class,which has to have certain basic standards,and which only few russian fsers fullfill..
then satw-halfhtw-batw nt should be easy,or at least satw-timo-amatw/matw nt..
and can anyone of the "HARDCORE" people do that?
they can just do practicing for ahmatw,latw-alatw...
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and alexfs,please speak of details here,not of countries and peoples reputations..
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my reputation power is 5 times yours vish22 - means you can't disagree with me :grin:
and plz stop making leha sad - just stop
he called you a "fucking tree" in russian - guess how he feels now - very sad
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vish22, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE HERE!!!
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vish22, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE HERE!!!
vish22 - SHOW ME YOUR GENITALS
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM#)
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vish22, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE HERE!!!
vish22 - SHOW ME YOUR GENITALS
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM#)
Lmao :043:
Is "tree" considered a bad thing in Russian?
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does reputation power or logic details matter here alex
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and dunnowhois,i read in many places,where you are always saying that russian levels are 1000 times higher than this,and putting people down who improve fast,etc etc.
now i'm telling you one truth and you are exploding?
you are not even contradicting to my claims about russians being one-dimensional?
do u agree with that,that is most important fact that i want to hear from you,because at the end of the day,its very easy for me to observe sitting here,but i am not there to witness anything..
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alex i wanna see your vids... do u have a channel or a video?
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alex i wanna see your vids... do u have a channel or a video?
no. you wanna challenge me to sth? - go ahead - i'll consider it
but i have russian filling, and marshmellow filling in my dick - i can treat you to my dick if you wish
@vish22 you didn't show leha and me - what we asked for to show
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vish22, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE HERE!!!
vish22 - SHOW ME YOUR GENITALS
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM#)
sexual predator alert :rolleyes:
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alex i wanna see your vids... do u have a channel or a video?
no. you wanna challenge me to sth? - go ahead - i'll consider it
but i have russian filling, and marshmellow filling in my dick - i can treat you to my dick if you wish
@vish22 you didn't show leha and me - what we asked for to show
wtf are u writing man.... u are acting like a beast! xD chill man.... go will help u ;) btw, i was asking generally ;)
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you are not even contradicting to my claims about russians being one-dimensional?
do u agree with that,that is most important fact that i want to hear from you,because at the end of the day,its very easy for me to observe sitting here,but i am not there to witness anything..
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vish22, Ive never said what about you are claiming with me! Bestes improvers, highest level - it's about Russia! But not what u thought up!
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@rohs - ok srry :grin:
my cat has just threw up on the floor - so i was in the mood to write something obnoxious
@vish22 russians are 3-dimensional by the way, not one-dimensional - like you wrote
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alex i wanna see your vids... do u have a channel or a video?
no. you wanna challenge me to sth? - go ahead - i'll consider it
but i have russian filling, and marshmellow filling in my dick - i can treat you to my dick if you wish
See,that is what i mean..and in such sentences,sometimes comes out words having meaning "we're the greatest",i was being more technical,while you are showing pure ignorance towards it..
and u want me to show it to you,u can go check many many video threads,
eg.how to learn crossover,whether trick is landed or not,et etc
i cant believe i'm writing this shit which is not my point
@vish22 you didn't show leha and me - what we asked for to show
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@vish22 - did you know that the first man in space - was russian, russian lower freestyler
google it if you don't believe me
i also recommend you a tutorial by leha - called "how to argue with leha"
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ok dunnowho is,thanks for clearing that up
please share with us your knowledge is freestyle and help people like me and other develop,
rather than show people how great russian fs is and put others down,that shows a lot about your selfishness..
and yes i agree,russians are the among most determined and fast improvers,but still,i think very one dimensional so far...
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i think very one dimensional so far...
for the love of fuck, russians are 3-dimensional - i guarantee you that
wtf do you mean 1-dimensional - how is it even possible
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alexfs,you were the only one talking non-technical bullshit which can be ignored,and your posts in this thread were a waste..or are u bored?lol
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no you cheap troll - i am not - in fact - i am in fedex mailing office right now - ok i am bored haha
i asked you several times to stop - hating on russia - plz stop you racist monster - you simply hate russia, leha and me
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and my point isnt clear as yet?
can "x" do 4amatw nt consistenly?can he do double becs-amatw nt?can he do almatw-amatw nt?..."x" can only do latw-alatw-combo-ahmatw and its variations...i dont want to be specific with you alex
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haha nice change of name LIS. i wish leha had answered my 3 alatw question.
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and my point isnt clear as yet?
can "x" do 4amatw nt consistenly?can he do double becs-amatw nt?can he do almatw-amatw nt?..."x" can only do latw-alatw-combo-ahmatw and its variations...i dont want to be specific with you alex because u have a very shallow understanding of harder imrpovements..
and i already said average russian level is way higher than europeans,but this average isnt near the top
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dont repeat two times:
"can "x" do 4amatw nt consistenly?can he do double becs-amatw nt?can he do almatw-amatw nt?..."x" can only do latw-alatw-combo-ahmatw and its variations...?"
i got it ok - or you think we are stupid in russia? oh yea you hate russia - you think russians are stupid and they need to be told the same rubbish 2 times
i think a lot in freestyle is about opinion, stop trolling
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hey Mod,if you are out there,please ask alexfs to stop posting non-technical bullshit,i love u i hate u shit
i was being serious and hes talking off topic
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please mod - close this stupid topic - where vish22 is trolling leha and pretending he is serious
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and you are proving yourself how stupid YOU are,ahaha,not any russians..
and i dont even know what is your opinion my doubt yet,and how can u argue with the fact that russians arent 3-dimensional
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Nobody is even ready to analyse what i was saying...what a pity..close if u want
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and you are proving how stupid I am,ahaha,not any russians..
and i dont even know what is your opinion my doubt yet,and how can u argue with the fact that russians arent 3-dimensional
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D)
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that just showed how much of a superficial idea you had of my arguments,alex
man ure like a fungal mushroom,ahaaahaah..
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i dont care what u think of me-
i care what do u think of russian freestyle??please make some technical sense now
dont write like how you wrote before "they are the best,they are 3-dimensional i guarantee you" etc etc
tell me,can "x" in russia other than ars mp german do satw-timo-nt-amatw nt?
please tell me this,and that is enough
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vish, why does it matter if others can do it?
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epic thread i just wasted 30 minutes :098:
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because,this definition of russian lowers being of the highest level goes over me,if they can only do limited moves without harder non-related variations of it,then how can they be overall hardcore?and how are everyone then claiming them to be?
and i really must tell again,that ARS and MP and german deserve more than praises and comments over the internet..
and comparing other russian levels with even ars' older level,then u can see a very very big difference..
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epic thread i just wasted 30 minutes :098:
i fcukin spent more than 2 hrs :embarrassed:
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tbc, smth around 1 year, maybe a bit less.
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and i already said average russian level is way higher than europeans,but this average isnt near the top
i'm just wondering after reading 9 pages of bullshit...
biggest problem seems to be that russia is good, but not top class...
how can in any way average level be top class level? so if russia doesn't have top average, then what country do you vish22 think has the highest average level of freestyle? :017:
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vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.
Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.
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tbc, smth around 1 year, maybe a bit less.
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no,i'm not comparing to becs,mirko etc,i was mentioning their records and comparing average russian level to maybe even 1/4th of their records,and even basic standard hardcore combos (like skora nt,becsltatw so on and so forth),then u can make out..
yes,they practice 6hrs a day everyday,they have high determination levels and in 2 years can get further in one variation than anyone else..(i'm talking about majority of them,not ARS,mp german and their standard)
but fsers in south america,do NOT train 6 hrs everyday and even if u think they trained for 4 years blah blah(what matters most is the final level and ease in doing difficult variations allround)their total train time may have been even lesser than 80% russians(6hrsX2.5years=6yearsX2.5hrs),and yet they may not be best at loong combos and all,but their variety?they can do almost all basic hard combos within a few tries..
But real Russian power for me is ARS MP German,they are better than anybody else who have trained that time in the world
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Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.
vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.
Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.
I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.
Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.
Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.
Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.
We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.
If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.
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Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.
vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.
Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.
I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.
Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.
Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.
Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.
We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.
If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.
i can post since its the argue thread
maybe i got your argument wrong. i think your examples are wrong. 42 hours a week will make your muscles develop skills faster. but 42 hours in 4 months is nothing, you dont retain the skills nor do you learn them, muscles forget the skills as the time gap between trainings increases.
also, it is about training efficiently like doctor g said :)
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Why should this thread be locked? It's on topic now, this is the argue thread.
vish22 I kind of see your point, but you are trying to compare an entire nation to a few top class people.
Compare entire brazil to just tobias becs/mirko/ars/skora etc. and you will get the same results anywhere. Russia has the highest average level anywhere, and they impove much faster.
I don't think they actually do. Everyone meassures in months and years which makes things sound more different than they actually are. All meassurements should be in the low forms of measurements. You'll never see a building designer meassure in CM, always in MM.
Example:
Russian freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 1 year.
X freestyler spent 1000 hours freestyling in 2 years.
Both have the same amount of skills and have spent the same amount of hours freestyling yet the Russian freestyler is perceived as improving faster when they've both had the same amount of time of training.
Another example:
Russian freestyler spent 42(average 6 hours a day) hours training in 1 week.
I spent 42 hours of training after 4 months.
We've both had the same amount of time training and are both equal in level. What can be achieved in 4 months can be achieved in 1 week.
If you're going to compliment them you might as well just say that the Russians freestylers are very dedicated to their freestyle since they love training so much. But I don't see why they're the fastest improvers when they spend the same amount of time training.
i can post since its the argue thread
maybe i got your argument wrong. i think your examples are wrong. 42 hours a week will make your muscles develop skills faster. but 42 hours in 4 months is nothing, you dont retain the skills nor do you learn them, muscles forget the skills as the time gap between trainings increases.
also, it is about training efficiently like doctor g said :)
Why would overtraining cause your muscles to develop faster? Muscles don't grow while you're training.
Besides, in my examples both freestylers turned out with the same result, maybe the 4 months part was a bit of a stretch but the idea behind it is the same.
The point was that both freestylers are the same in every way except that one guy did it in 1 year and the other did it in 2 years but they both used the same amount of time to gain their skill.
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The approach to trainings is necessary, not time. Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
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Yes LIS,what you mentioned is right
what seperates russian progress from others is their determination to improve,but within the same no. of hours as any other high class 3+ year feestyler...but this logic is very inconclusive of their their training methods,only tells u that they are ready to put their 100% to achieve in predetermined time..
but south americans,at least i feel are much more talented(maybe less determined for a long term),and if u compare their training time in hours,u can easily see who has progressed more..
and now since every1 are like "woah 6hrs training imrpoves you and shit",this will only make everyone else world wide more competitive and really narrow down on the russian spectrum...
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it is about training efficiently like doctor g said :)
Please define this efficiently,can you measure it?
who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
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who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
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Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
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who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
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I'm hardcore :)
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
Why not?
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who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
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yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
Why not?
Did you see any? European still surprise when they see some guy who does 2 amatw nt after 1 year of training.
who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned
What the random combos 'alatw-batw'? 'pallemove-ahtatw nt'?
There are many fsers in Russia who can do ahtatw nt easily. About moves after alatw - almost nobody trains alatw-batw exactly because its useless, but alatw-htatw (by weak foot too) can do many.
'I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years'
If u didnt know alatw-almatw couldnt be nt, freestyle master :D
Tatw-batw nt - yea, again almost nobody in Russia trains those combos. But if u can do 3 amatw nt and amatw-3matw nt by strong and at least amatw-2matw nt by weak you easily can do ur amatw-matw-amatw-matw nt, idiot. That's why u are almost the one and only freestyler in ur country with poor level - if anybody asks you to help him you can only answer 'just practice'. What a pity :(
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@alex u abuse a lot what kind of creature r u "a mad monkey who lost his tail" :lol_hitting:
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
I do not come up with this knowledge on my own, I take it from someone who helped devolop world class fsers such as ARS and MP. It is pointless arguing with leha, My point being - when you and vish were talking of Xfreestyler training 2 hrs a day, and X freestyler training 4 hrs a day etc etc. That it is possible that one freestyler is not training efficiently. Sorry, O wise one...
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
Why not?
Did you see any? European still surprise when they see some guy who does 2 amatw nt after 1 year of training.
who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned
What the random combos 'alatw-batw'? 'pallemove-ahtatw nt'?
There are many fsers in Russia who can do ahtatw nt easily. About moves after alatw - almost nobody trains alatw-batw exactly because its useless, but alatw-htatw (by weak foot too) can do many.
'I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years'
If u didnt know alatw-almatw couldnt be nt, freestyle master :D
Tatw-batw nt - yea, again almost nobody in Russia trains those combos. But if u can do 3 amatw nt and amatw-3matw nt by strong and at least amatw-2matw nt by weak you easily can do ur amatw-matw-amatw-matw nt, idiot. That's why u are almost the one and only freestyler in ur country with poor level - if anybody asks you to help him you can only answer 'just practice'. What a pity :(
ahahaha,sorry man,in a flow i typed alatw-almatw nt
anyways,it is also a pity that some of the so called "more hardcore" freestylers in russia cannot do any other variations,they cannot get any combo which anyone challenges...
i still havnt seen pavlinoff do skora nt btw,ahahaah,6 hrs training!!OMG!!!!but no!hes is among the BEST!!(no disrespect to him)
and no,it is useless to train hard and not being able to do any random hardcore combo which you can imagine...
becs-ltatw-amatw nt anyone??heheehe
Also,there are very few btw,who can even do all those basic hardcore which u mentioned,with consistency...
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just because they dont show any of your variations doesnt know they cant do them.
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
Why not?
Did you see any? European still surprise when they see some guy who does 2 amatw nt after 1 year of training.
Not at the moment but maybe later there will be. If this topic was full of tips on becomming hardcore maybe we could see a new freestyler become very good in the same time too.
But you said never, why is that? Not possible?
@Sam, fix your quote mate.
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Not only are russians training hard (e.g the many hours a day) they are training efficiently. Long combos are harder than nts, somone can learn
tatw-matw nt in 3-5 days training it - even 1 day - long combos are the basis for everything. You need good basics ex. htw/atw/hatw to master everything else. Yes maybe south america has a slightly higher level in amatw nt (overall of course) but I'd like to see them hit 60-70 trick combos.
Why are you saying this? Just randomly putting it out there that training efficiently is the best way to train?
You are a God amoung men. Please don't waste your time with us O wise one.
Never gonna see at least 3 fsers from SA and Europe who will get hardcore lower level in 1 year.
Why not?
Did you see any? European still surprise when they see some guy who does 2 amatw nt after 1 year of training.
who will get hardcore lower level
means 4ahmatw and amatw-matw nt?
Means 4 ahmatw, 3 amatw nt at least, amatw-3matw nt, 3-4 latw, at least 2 alatw, 50-60 htws, long combo for 50-60 tricks, at least 3 ahmatw and 2 ahtatw.
yes,this is what defines russian level..
that is high average level
but you are confining hardcore only to these tricks,
how about alatw-batw??
pallemove-ahtatw nt,
they sound stupid to you,right i know..
but you must make your arsenal of basic high hardcore much more flexible sorry to say
I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years
Now,everything seems to be ONLY what you mentioned
What the random combos 'alatw-batw'? 'pallemove-ahtatw nt'?
There are many fsers in Russia who can do ahtatw nt easily. About moves after alatw - almost nobody trains alatw-batw exactly because its useless, but alatw-htatw (by weak foot too) can do many.
'I remember ARS doing lot of different variations like tatw-batw nt,amatw-matw-nt-amatw-matw nt,alatw-almatw nt,etc,etc for his level after 2 years'
If u didnt know alatw-almatw couldnt be nt, freestyle master :D
Tatw-batw nt - yea, again almost nobody in Russia trains those combos. But if u can do 3 amatw nt and amatw-3matw nt by strong and at least amatw-2matw nt by weak you easily can do ur amatw-matw-amatw-matw nt, idiot. That's why u are almost the one and only freestyler in ur country with poor level - if anybody asks you to help him you can only answer 'just practice'. What a pity :(
ahahaha,sorry man,in a flow i typed alatw-almatw nt
anyways,it is also a pity that some of the so called "more hardcore" freestylers in russia cannot do any other variations,they cannot get any combo which anyone challenges...
i still havnt seen pavlinoff do skora nt btw,ahahaah,6 hrs training!!OMG!!!!but no!hes is among the BEST!!
and no,it is useless to train hard and not being able to do any random hardcore combo which you can imagine...
becs-ltatw-amatw nt anyone??heheehe
Also,there are very few btw,who can even do all those basic hardcore which u mentioned,with consistency...
It's average time of trainigs, little kid. Still he can do skatw, eatw and htlatw instead of that.
Ahahah, Did u see any fser who can do latw-alatw-htatw-alatw (strong-weak-weak-weak) on the world? It's random hardcore, but only Skora did it with hmatw and can do it withuot any hard.
Train tb-airjester-ahtatw nt - until u get it don't train anything. It's random hardcore you must be able to do it!
'Also,there are very few btw,who can even do all those basic hardcore which u mentioned,with consistency...' - about consistency just shut up, when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.
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yes thats a very good combo and i respect that,but i'm sure he cant do a 30move combo with 4 or even 6,2 nts in them..i'm sure he cant do almatw-alatw-latw/atw..because he does all his trainings with movements,only for that combo..then he will of course be special in that category,and even higher average level,but never world class..
yes,and about consistency,i'm sure it is the same in russia,one move they are practicing for they can pull off often,but other hardcore combos,few times..
i cant imagine anyone getting skora nt and latw-ahmatw-alatw in one day's session with 2.5 years training there
PS:I'm comparing your standards with the above average-hardcore standards of europe,who even though cannot do records of indivisual moves...but can get highly advanced combos with unrelated movements..if u want to be the best,you need to first compare with the bests,in everything
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just because they dont show any of your variations doesnt know they cant do them.
Max trust me,their training manuals hold them back on loads of combos
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'just practice'. What a pity :(
hahahaha i love it how blunt you can be sometimes :D
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hm vish have you seen the video of the competition in russia mirko and gunther were judging? in this video mp an mirko both mainly did amatw nt combos and mp obviously was better than mirko even though he doesnt have the amatw nt record. you would be surprised how consistent ars and mp are ( only good russian freestylers i've met so far). and as far as i know in russia everybody practises like mp and ars so you can be sure they can do great amatw nt combos.
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Max,honestly,i feel very very few practice like MP and ARS(german as well),and they are the real deal,
But do you know anyone else? who can even compete with MP and ARS with their last and a half year level??in russia even
or maybe now dunnowhois will tell that he has an equation in which imrpovement varies exponentially with time..
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hm vish have you seen the video of the competition in russia mirko and gunther were judging? in this video mp an mirko both mainly did amatw nt combos and mp obviously was better than mirko even though he doesnt have the amatw nt record. you would be surprised how consistent ars and mp are ( only good russian freestylers i've met so far). and as far as i know in russia everybody practises like mp and ars so you can be sure they can do great amatw nt combos.
link?
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the whole discussion here is so useless
@surajemo - thank you my friend
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I still don't get vish's point, is he saying russians have a lower average level than other countries?
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hm vish have you seen the video of the competition in russia mirko and gunther were judging? in this video mp an mirko both mainly did amatw nt combos and mp obviously was better than mirko even though he doesnt have the amatw nt record. you would be surprised how consistent ars and mp are ( only good russian freestylers i've met so far). and as far as i know in russia everybody practises like mp and ars so you can be sure they can do great amatw nt combos.
link?
Spb Engecon Open 2011 | Pridachin version.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGwUB_uIH10#)
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vish22, you can only think smth up, but I witness all progress in Russia and can judge it! You know nothing about consistency of russian fsers, their skills and all the rest - you can judge it only by any russian words, so by mine! You didn't seen even more than 20 russian fsers but there are smth about 200? Then how can u judge any of it?!
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ok man,i understand what you are saying
i can just sit here and comment by my observations on many russian freestyle videos
I havent seen all the people there,
But even you,when you are assuming something about the rest of the world who are not following a certain progress level
then do consider that there are many many out there with really fast improvements,in their own fashions..
else you wouldnt have likes of LKR,Diego,some very very promising europeans rise to advanced heights.
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Edit:English words only.
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ok man,i understand what you are saying
i can just sit here and comment by my observations on many russian freestyle videos
I havent seen all the people there,
But even you,when you are assuming something about the rest of the world who are not following a certain progress level
then do consider that there are many many out there with really fast improvements,in their own fashions..
else you wouldnt have likes of LKR,Diego,some very very promising europeans rise to advanced heights.
Ahahah, so then it comes to europeans you judge their future progress but when it comes to russians you judge the level tight at the moment?! I say you within 10 pages that russians are the best improvers with best potentianl and that 'few freestylers in Europe + few from SA' will never can be compared to newcomers in Russia! This is what you still can't understand!
About LKR - what do you see in him? :D
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i havent said russians arent progressive,from the vids i saw they are inclined to do tricks having same movements...
but u are right because at the end of the day,i am not over there to see live their average in all styles of lowers
in LKR i see all round ability and good htw movements after first touch for ahmatw,etc
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vish and leha, you both are wrong faggots
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vish and leha, you both are wrong faggots
Your significiant does nothing. You are still that dumb :(
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vish and leha, you both are wrong faggots
Your significiant does nothing. You are still that dumb :(
google translator at its best! ;D
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Vish22 I'm trying to see your argument, but it confuses me...
I'm sure everyone practices as hard as mp and ars because
1. they have leha
2. as you said they practice 6 hours a day
I'm also confused on these motions you are looking for, artes can do alternate magellan - how many people do you know who can do that? i think he said he got 4 atatw nt too.. and he has amatw nts, patw combos etc. - pretty well rounded... The only thing I got from this thread was that giniu thinks he's funny
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....The only thing I got from this thread was that giniu thinks he's funny
How do you know that? Your definition of being funny is weird.
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We must keep these kind of threads going. These arguments never grow old. :lol_hitting: :lol_hitting: :lol_hitting:
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Vish22 I'm trying to see your argument, but it confuses me...
I'm sure everyone practices as hard as mp and ars because
1. they have leha
2. as you said they practice 6 hours a day
I'm also confused on these motions you are looking for, artes can do alternate magellan - how many people do you know who can do that? i think he said he got 4 atatw nt too.. and he has amatw nts, patw combos etc. - pretty well rounded... The only thing I got from this thread was that giniu thinks he's funny
They have all style lowered freestylers as well,but majority are not
and Artes is an awesome freestyler,but he can't do more than 4amatw nt,and 4 amatw nt is not that great,if you want to speak of being best..
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Vish22 I'm trying to see your argument, but it confuses me...
I'm sure everyone practices as hard as mp and ars because
1. they have leha
2. as you said they practice 6 hours a day
I'm also confused on these motions you are looking for, artes can do alternate magellan - how many people do you know who can do that? i think he said he got 4 atatw nt too.. and he has amatw nts, patw combos etc. - pretty well rounded... The only thing I got from this thread was that giniu thinks he's funny
They have all style lowered freestylers as well,but majority are not
and Artes is an awesome freestyler,but he can't do more than 4amatw nt,and 4 amatw nt is not that great,if you want to speak of being best..
Once again - what did you find in LKR? He has really weak foot which he almost hever uses, his basic records are as weak as his long combos.
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then can you explain why he gets different hard combos which russians having 200htws cannot get?
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then can you explain why he gets different hard combos which russians having 200htws cannot get?
He trains his latw,alatw,ahmatw combos only on his strong foot! He isn't able to do it by strong, russians firstly train it by weak foot.
Then, about nts in the middle of combos - I would advice him to inflate his ball to watch what he could do with it - it's too deflated then it's much easier to perform nts in the middle.
Yes, he has some skills, but not hardcore at all.
And again, how can you judge russians if you see only 10% of them?
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because the cream of them arent all round hardcore,they are really hardcore in their specific combinations,thats what i can tell you from sitting here,and i'm being an observist,not judgemental.
i never told you that this man can't do this,i always asked you whether this man can do this or not.....because he can do very very insane long combos with a few difficult tricks in the middle..
and do u think its easy to go for combos directly and get them??rather than get "weak" basic right first?
then almost everyone non-russian has a weak leg right?
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because the cream of them arent all round hardcore,they are really hardcore in their specific combinations,thats what i can tell you from sitting here,and i'm being an observist,not judgemental.
i never told you that this man can't do this,i always asked you whether this man can do this or not.....because he can do very very insane long combos with a few difficult tricks in the middle..
and do u think its easy to go for combos directly and get them??rather than get "weak" basic right first?
then almost everyone non-russian has a weak leg right?
In what is he hardcore? In hardcore without nt (latw, ahmatw, alatw etc.)? If 'yes', why he can't do even latw-ahmatw-alatw strong-weak-weak? Typical combo of that type.
It's easier to get all combos and tricks by strong foot - its obviously, than to have both skilled feet weak and strong.
He's weak at long combos, at weak foot, abbas-variations, nts, he's only good with 'hardcore without nt', although there he does it only by his strong foot and with deflated ball.
Yeah, they say the most people in the world are right-footed.
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Vish22 I'm trying to see your argument, but it confuses me...
I'm sure everyone practices as hard as mp and ars because
1. they have leha
2. as you said they practice 6 hours a day
I'm also confused on these motions you are looking for, artes can do alternate magellan - how many people do you know who can do that? i think he said he got 4 atatw nt too.. and he has amatw nts, patw combos etc. - pretty well rounded... The only thing I got from this thread was that giniu thinks he's funny
They have all style lowered freestylers as well,but majority are not
and Artes is an awesome freestyler,but he can't do more than 4amatw nt,and 4 amatw nt is not that great,if you want to speak of being best..
I don't think I've seen Rocco do 4 amatws nt..what do you think of him?
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L_I_S,do u think he is all round hardcore?
Hes a master in ahmatws and long combos,even nts in them..
hes not high level in 4+nts that is very obvious
but yeah,sorry to burst your bubble but i think there are many with higher levels in other styles of hardcore,which rocco does not show too often
well then dunnowhois,may i ask if russians can do strong foot ahmatws as good as weak ahmatws?3??
If getting strong foot double revolutions is easy then i've never seen them do "easy" latw-hmatw-ahmatw-alatw/ahmatw too often...
especially after getting so many weak ahmatws??
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vish22, not as good as weak but not bad. As for those combos - do you know any fser who can do any combo by both feet? I don't. Ask your hero LKR to do at least alatw-htatw weak foot or alatw-latw, he isn't able to do it. Why? Because he prefers to train only his strong foot. But russians can do those 'basic hardcore' combos by both feet.
And what's his weak foot atw record and how many he can do constantly? 10?
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ahaha,hero,lol
this is becoming like ping pong hitting on weak side of the opponent :lol_hitting:
but yes,that i can see that in russia,the weak foot development is very evident,unlike in most other countries
ok,i already said russia has a high average level and insane development for some tricks,
i'm just saying that i havent observed many other variations..think what u want from that because your definition of hardcore seems to be more technical from both feet,rather than instinctivly going for whatever u want to do...maybe thats y the level is growing a lot..
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ahaha,hero,lol
this is becoming like ping pong hitting on weak side of the opponent :lol_hitting:
but yes,that i can see that in russia,the weak foot development is very evident,unlike in most other countries
ok,i already said russia has a high average level and insane development for some tricks,
i'm just saying that i havent observed many other variations..think what u want from that because your definition of hardcore seems to be more technical from both feet,rather than instinctivly going for whatever u want to do...maybe thats y the level is growing a lot..
i think the main point in concentrating on records, latw movements and weak foot is that they use their first one or two years most efficent. if they have practised like that for 2 years they are very strong freestylers and can get the variations they want to do much easier than other freestylers. i think you just have to give them some time and their combos will become more varied ;)
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yeah,maybe later they can get much varied combos :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
AARRSS!!!
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Roma - skmatw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k8AQJnZFW_I#)
1year 9 months of trainings :D
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Woah,no kidding!!
beast style...
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bend style on cross motion but still impressive.
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never bendy max. very clean skmatw.
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never bendy max. very clean skmatw.
never argue with me about bend style please. it looks clean because its from side angle but if you watched it from the front you would see its bendy. but other than that it was clean yes.
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
Of course, it isnt deflated comparing to your ball - but it's deflated at all.
If I was 14 years now and started in 12 and saw Mp, Ars and other russian fsers I would have better weak foot and long combos+what he does now.
Ahahaha, 'freestyle' is 'free' - that's what BF about :D
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just a little question, Leha how do you judge from a video that the ball is deflated or inflated?
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
Of course, it isnt deflated comparing to your ball - but it's deflated at all.
If I was 14 years now and started in 12 and saw Mp, Ars and other russian fsers I would have better weak foot and long combos+what he does now.
Ahahaha, 'freestyle' is 'free' - that's what BF about :D
can nobody else see russian freestyle is just another communist concept? XD
in russia everybody must:
-train a certain number of hours per week
-train in great conditions (preferably a large sports hall with heating)
-train according to what stalin whoops i mean leha says
- not have fun! this is a must!
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
Of course, it isnt deflated comparing to your ball - but it's deflated at all.
If I was 14 years now and started in 12 and saw Mp, Ars and other russian fsers I would have better weak foot and long combos+what he does now.
Ahahaha, 'freestyle' is 'free' - that's what BF about :D
can nobody else see russian freestyle is just another communist concept? XD
in russia everybody must:
-train a certain number of hours per week
-train in great conditions (preferably a large sports hall with heating)
-train according to what stalin whoops i mean leha says
- not have fun! this is a must!
Yea, almost nobody.
Do all have great conditions in Russia? I don't think so, not even a half.
'Having fun' is to play football for some time on training or joking, but not to go fsyle to train some headstalls and toe bounces.
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
Of course, it isnt deflated comparing to your ball - but it's deflated at all.
If I was 14 years now and started in 12 and saw Mp, Ars and other russian fsers I would have better weak foot and long combos+what he does now.
Ahahaha, 'freestyle' is 'free' - that's what BF about :D
can nobody else see russian freestyle is just another communist concept? XD
in russia everybody must:
-train a certain number of hours per week
-train in great conditions (preferably a large sports hall with heating)
-train according to what stalin whoops i mean leha says
- not have fun! this is a must!
Yea, almost nobody.
Do all have great conditions in Russia? I don't think so, not even a half.
'Having fun' is to play football for some time on training or joking, but not to go fsyle to train some headstalls and toe bounces.
it's possible to make training fun and still see very nice improvement - i assure you of this. also did you just agree with me that the russian approach to freestyle is a communist approach and you play the same role as stalin? hahaha
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HAHAHA
ethan - i loled - this is true - like i never do co haha - sometimes i feel like doing one for fun - but i feel somebody is watching me - so i do weak tatw instead
but leha is right - in russia not everyone has great training conditions, a lot of lads practice in their rooms, and in winter 2010 i had one day of training hall per week :\
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just a little question, Leha how do you judge from a video that the ball is deflated or inflated?
can you answer my question cause it's interesting for me really, would like to be able to see if somebody uses a flat or hard ball
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just a little question, Leha how do you judge from a video that the ball is deflated or inflated?
can you answer my question cause it's interesting for me really, would like to be able to see if somebody uses a flat or hard ball
The velocity of coming ball up is obviously will be less when its deflated. The 'strength' that fser puts in the ball can be seen too. Just compare, for example, MP's and Murilo's techniques in nts - fully inflated ball and fully deflated.
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LKR not train with deflated ball, it takes less than 2 years of training have not yet had time to hone his weak leg, and all the tricks he makes strong leg, leg is too weak!
remember, he has 14 years of age, imagine what that level will be with the age of you, and we do not have trained more than 3 hours a day, like everyone, I work and study, taking time only on weekends, should thank this great free time, and train! freestyle this is looking increasingly to football because of people who are prejudice against other countries, if you live in a country good, great, train.
I respect and I find incredible, freestylers from all countries, each with its own way of training, but free, this is freestyle
Of course, it isnt deflated comparing to your ball - but it's deflated at all.
If I was 14 years now and started in 12 and saw Mp, Ars and other russian fsers I would have better weak foot and long combos+what he does now.
Ahahaha, 'freestyle' is 'free' - that's what BF about :D
can nobody else see russian freestyle is just another communist concept? XD
in russia everybody must:
-train a certain number of hours per week
-train in great conditions (preferably a large sports hall with heating)
-train according to what stalin whoops i mean leha says
- not have fun! this is a must!
Yea, almost nobody.
Do all have great conditions in Russia? I don't think so, not even a half.
'Having fun' is to play football for some time on training or joking, but not to go fsyle to train some headstalls and toe bounces.
Why are you being so stiff about something that is called FREEstyle?
Freestyle is supposed to be a mean for people to have fun, and free ourselves from the worries of life. Do you think the old days freestylers like Touzani or Palle first trained freestyle to be the best and earn money and all that serious stuff? I don't know about you but my answer would be "no".
OK, if you wanna be "practical" and be a dictator about what people should train, then I'll be practical with you:
What do you expect to earn from freestyle ey? Performances, even plus busking will give you how much money ey?
Say whatever number you like because that number will not be greater than the amount I earn for 1 or 2 months if I graduate from school and become a physician (heck, even a doctor that's not doing any surgery still earn more money than a freestyler ever do!).
Then you have wasted your time for nothing: you now have no money and no way to earn it (because by practicing 5 hrs a day you will neglect your studies, and trust me hardly anyone - with some rare exceptions - make enough money to live without studying at school).
See what I mean? If you wanna be practical, this is your answer, you should go and do something else, because freestyle just isn't for practical people!
We go into freestyle to have fun, to give our brain a moment to let all those stress outta the body. And then, some people will become pro freestylers, but they became so out of their love for the things freestyle bring, and one of that is, no argument, the fun that freestyle always provides!
Freestyle is no place for people who always think about practical stuff. If you are too practical, I have a sincere advice for you: get out of freestyle and give your school work a little more attention, because you'll need the knowledge when you have no money left.
So, if you practice freestyle and wanna go pro or something, chill the hell out and actually try to have fun while doing it. This is not a joke.
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@Khoa - plz don't give Leha "sincere" advice
he is a manager for Piterff team and also has a freestyle school - in fact he founded the first one in Russia
he is ok - but whats more important - he did freestyle not to be making money after
he did because he had a true passion
does Skora get many lps - i cant know that - and i am not gonna write a wall of text - like you did for Leha - when you don't have a clue of his freestyle, and money situation when it comes to freestyle
peace
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@ Alex: No, I made the "money" argument not to prove its importance. I made it to show him that so much practicality and freestyle just isn't compatible. They're almost contradictory to each other.
I know his influence on Russian freestylers, and how they've improved so much under his influence, but the way that he's approaching freestyle is a total contradiction to the roots of freestyle. Heck, even the word "Freestyle" doesn't agree with his method.
Don't get me wrong. I have respect for Leha in terms of his dedication, passion and also him trying to improve freestyle through his tutorials, but when he began to restrict the range of tricks that freestylers can do, and sarcastically talked bad about people who have different opinions, it just went too far for me to bear.
How is anything going to get better if you do not allow any variation? You get people to follow you like a religion, when in truth freestyle is something that is dynamic, and never restricted.
And even more than that, he now emphasizes that we shouldn't have fun when doing freestyle? Are you kidding me? That was the drop that spills the glass of water. I would never have written any of this if it is otherwise, believe me.
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all of you can practice for fun - but then when in 4-5 years you start bragging about making no progress you will look pathetic
freestyle is about work and commitment - it is a sport but not sth to kill time or to entertain yourself. you wanna have fun? - jerk off - no skills required. leha doesnt restrict you to anything - you wanna do cos? do cos - and you'll be shit - face it
and fuck FREEstyle - this is an excuse for losers - who will do cos and break combos, put up not landed stuff - and then reply to you: 'thats FREEstyle srry'
and what kind of roots are you talking about that leha is contradicting to? mr woo? well truth be told i don't even consider him a freestyler, football clown may be - and he is judging competitions - tell me how he know more about fs than leha or ars, or oli, or palle?
palle started it all - yet samsung invited mr woo and a blonde fag you boys consider a 'master of control' - what did he do for fs community?
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all of you can practice for fun - but then when in 4-5 years you start bragging about making no progress you will look pathetic
freestyle is about work and commitment - it is a sport but not sth to kill time or to entertain yourself. you wanna have fun? - jerk off - no skills required. leha doesnt restrict you to anything - you wanna do cos? do cos - and you'll be shit - face it
and fuck FREEstyle - this is an excuse for losers - who will do cos and break combos, put up not landed stuff - and then reply to you: 'thats FREEstyle srry'
and what kind of roots are you talking about that leha is contradicting to? mr woo? well truth be told i don't even consider him a freestyler, football clown may be - and he is judging competitions - tell me how he know more about fs than leha or ars, or oli, or palle?
palle started it all - yet samsung invited mr woo and a blonde fag you boys consider a 'master of control' - what did he do for fs community?
Then why the f!ck are you practicing freestyle if you don't even believe in "free+style"? What are you trying to prove by "FUCK freestyle" ey? That you wanna start your own sports and call it "hardcore ball combos" or whatever? Because at this rate this is the only answer that is possible.
Do you see all these people playing football for fun? Heck politicians play football for fun, right? And then tell me, is football not a sport then? Doesn't it require commitment then? And if you say that people who play football for fun for 4-5 years, doesn't make any progress and then talk about it (not "brag"), do you think they look pathetic then? Because I knew that Vladimir Putin, when his country's football team return triumphantly from the Euro, tried very hard but failed to juggle a ball, and tell people that he's been doing football for sometime when he was younger, is that seems pathetic to you then?
Without Mr.Woo, you'll never will be able to juggle a ball right now. He's the biggest and most important thing ever happen to freestyle. His LP at Rangers inspired millions of people to freestyle. Without him, freestyle is what now? Fucking Zero.
Without John Farnworth, then all freestylers who tried to LP will always try for hard tricks and fail all the time (as they don't know sh!t about performing), and freestyle will never evolve to the position it is today.
You know why these roots are important? Because it supports the whole tree, which is freestyle. You are owing them more than you can pay them til the rest of your life. And now, when freestyle has evolve to the position it is right now, you abandon them, saying that they're "sh!t", "old-fashioned", "never done anything for freestyle community". None of you actually stop to think for one minute what would happen if them people didn't come along and be the pioneers in freestyle. Heck, without them, your main form of having fun right now would be jerking off, like you said.
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they can both suck my dick - palle invented freestyle. i have spoken. (ну это чисто так накидать говна на вентилятор :grin:)
and putin - dont you tell fairy tales about him - he can juggle he is from saint petersburg too by the way - he loves leha and other freestylers
his favorite movies are napoleon dynamite and mp pact2 final
and yea - will you please recommend a cook book by leha to namtheman - he would finally make some progress
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they can both suck my dick - palle invented freestyle. i have spoken. (ну это чисто так накидать говна на вентилятор :grin:)
and putin - dont you tell fairy tales about him - he can juggle he is from saint petersburg too by the way - he loves leha and other freestylers
his favorite movies are napoleon dynamite and mp pact2 final
and yea - will you please recommend a cook book by leha to namtheman - he would finally make some progress
Nominated for member of the month!
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I ran out of possible things I needed to say. I'm seriously done. You win.
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FUCK YEA i won - i'll call my mom in russia - i will wake her up hahaha to share my triumph
for all of you - don't you fuck with russia! - napoleon tried, hitler tried, khoa tried - all of them failed - let it be a good lesson for you mofos out there
p.s. leha can i get points for this epic victory on piterff?
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hey khoa...that^^^ is why you suck at freestyle!
it's the battle that has been had 10000x before on this forum - art vs sport.
we all know that the hard one is the sport, that's where russian are excelling and proving how quickly improvement can occur. and the art one is for 2 kinds of people:
-those who REALLY do just wanna chill with a football and have some fun and don't care bout feeling proud of their achievements
-those who get bored of the 'sport' version of freestyle
the reason you suck is cos you don't fall into either - you use 'FREEstyle' to rescue yourself when you know what you are saying is bollocks and you can't accept that you are wrong because you've never had that sense of satisfaction when you achieve something hardcore. it's the same as people using 'in my opinion' cos they know they are gonna get bollocked for what they are saying (much like i think i will for saying this)
I set you a challenge Khoa - take just ONE week of training real freestyle (train 2 hours a day and train productively and remain focussed), train in the exact way leha/whoever knows what they are talking about advises and then see your results. Then tell me you want to go back to 'funstyle'.
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when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.
Yeah! ARS showed his consistency in his LP during Pyrzyce Tournament. I was shocked that he could perform everything he does in his films... NOT!
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@giniu - i bet you poisoned ars before his lp - its as simple as that. :grin:
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khoa,u must chill when get get frustrated of not getting a trick,else y would u "chill" if you are in good form in your "fun" trainin
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when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.
Yeah! ARS showed his consistency in his LP during Pyrzyce Tournament. I was shocked that he could perform everything he does in his films... NOT!
At that moment he already had problems with his left leg, that's the reason. But polands showed great freestyle in most amount :D
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hey khoa...that^^^ is why you suck at freestyle!
it's the battle that has been had 10000x before on this forum - art vs sport.
we all know that the hard one is the sport, that's where russian are excelling and proving how quickly improvement can occur. and the art one is for 2 kinds of people:
-those who REALLY do just wanna chill with a football and have some fun and don't care bout feeling proud of their achievements
-those who get bored of the 'sport' version of freestyle
the reason you suck is cos you don't fall into either - you use 'FREEstyle' to rescue yourself when you know what you are saying is bollocks and you can't accept that you are wrong because you've never had that sense of satisfaction when you achieve something hardcore. it's the same as people using 'in my opinion' cos they know they are gonna get bollocked for what they are saying (much like i think i will for saying this)
I set you a challenge Khoa - take just ONE week of training real freestyle (train 2 hours a day and train productively and remain focussed), train in the exact way leha/whoever knows what they are talking about advises and then see your results. Then tell me you want to go back to 'funstyle'.
true words man, i was about to say the exact same thing! Khoa this thread isnt your world, you have 0 knowledge about lowers and dont even know what real improvement is.
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all of you can practice for fun - but then when in 4-5 years you start bragging about making no progress you will look pathetic
freestyle is about work and commitment - it is a sport but not sth to kill time or to entertain yourself. you wanna have fun? - jerk off - no skills required. leha doesnt restrict you to anything - you wanna do cos? do cos - and you'll be shit - face it
and fuck FREEstyle - this is an excuse for losers - who will do cos and break combos, put up not landed stuff - and then reply to you: 'thats FREEstyle srry'
and what kind of roots are you talking about that leha is contradicting to? mr woo? well truth be told i don't even consider him a freestyler, football clown may be - and he is judging competitions - tell me how he know more about fs than leha or ars, or oli, or palle?
palle started it all - yet samsung invited mr woo and a blonde fag you boys consider a 'master of control' - what did he do for fs community?
Then why the f!ck are you practicing freestyle if you don't even believe in "free+style"? What are you trying to prove by "FUCK freestyle" ey? That you wanna start your own sports and call it "hardcore ball combos" or whatever? Because at this rate this is the only answer that is possible.
Do you see all these people playing football for fun? Heck politicians play football for fun, right? And then tell me, is football not a sport then? Doesn't it require commitment then? And if you say that people who play football for fun for 4-5 years, doesn't make any progress and then talk about it (not "brag"), do you think they look pathetic then? Because I knew that Vladimir Putin, when his country's football team return triumphantly from the Euro, tried very hard but failed to juggle a ball, and tell people that he's been doing football for sometime when he was younger, is that seems pathetic to you then?
Without Mr.Woo, you'll never will be able to juggle a ball right now. He's the biggest and most important thing ever happen to freestyle. His LP at Rangers inspired millions of people to freestyle. Without him, freestyle is what now? Fucking Zero.
Without John Farnworth, then all freestylers who tried to LP will always try for hard tricks and fail all the time (as they don't know sh!t about performing), and freestyle will never evolve to the position it is today.
You know why these roots are important? Because it supports the whole tree, which is freestyle. You are owing them more than you can pay them til the rest of your life. And now, when freestyle has evolve to the position it is right now, you abandon them, saying that they're "sh!t", "old-fashioned", "never done anything for freestyle community". None of you actually stop to think for one minute what would happen if them people didn't come along and be the pioneers in freestyle. Heck, without them, your main form of having fun right now would be jerking off, like you said.
what a bunch of bullshit. mr woo is not even a bit important in freestyle history. he didnt do anything we are doing nowadays. alex is right palle invented the real freestyle or at least touzani. Also do you really think john farnworth for example became such an insane performer because he had just a bit fun with the ball? no he has a strict training schedule including 40 hours per week, even more than russians. Same goes for Dan Magness and all the others who are doing the REALLY big shows ( excluding fags like billy wingrove or mikey fisher they are just insanely lucky ). Plus Leha only tries to give the right advance during the time you start freestyle. he doesnt forbid you to use cross he just says that it isnt useful to waste time on doing crossover combos. he advices you to practise useful sutff to become faster and stronger in a very short time. after 2 years of practising this way you can do your fun stuff with crossovers. why? because its so fucking easy for you then.
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when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.
Yeah! ARS showed his consistency in his LP during Pyrzyce Tournament. I was shocked that he could perform everything he does in his films... NOT!
At that moment he already had problems with his left leg, that's the reason. But polands showed great freestyle in most amount :D
Pyrzyce tournament was over a year ago, so even if he had some problems with the leg, can this be a good excuse to perform such a shitty and lame lp, according to the fact that his level is so high haha? And about the Poles, yeah you're right, they showed great freestyle, especially on Europan Championships in Prague =)
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hey khoa...that^^^ is why you suck at freestyle!
it's the battle that has been had 10000x before on this forum - art vs sport.
we all know that the hard one is the sport, that's where russian are excelling and proving how quickly improvement can occur. and the art one is for 2 kinds of people:
-those who REALLY do just wanna chill with a football and have some fun and don't care bout feeling proud of their achievements
-those who get bored of the 'sport' version of freestyle
the reason you suck is cos you don't fall into either - you use 'FREEstyle' to rescue yourself when you know what you are saying is bollocks and you can't accept that you are wrong because you've never had that sense of satisfaction when you achieve something hardcore. it's the same as people using 'in my opinion' cos they know they are gonna get bollocked for what they are saying (much like i think i will for saying this)
I set you a challenge Khoa - take just ONE week of training real freestyle (train 2 hours a day and train productively and remain focussed), train in the exact way leha/whoever knows what they are talking about advises and then see your results. Then tell me you want to go back to 'funstyle'.
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sorry khoa, for me freestyle is something to work on, hardwork! and improve. if i feel in another year (or 2 maybe) i am not improving i will just quit and admit i sucked :) but i would like to work my butt off before i quit..
Good for you if you have a created a world where you can enter anytime and feel good about it, have fun, relax and get rid of your worries. good luck with that. however, i think there are many other ways to do this relaxing stuff you are talking about.
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when Ars came up in Poland some tim ago he was shocked about low consistency of those fsers, and the same is above all Europe :D You can pull off 60 htws but then can't even repeat 40 any time on training.
Yeah! ARS showed his consistency in his LP during Pyrzyce Tournament. I was shocked that he could perform everything he does in his films... NOT!
At that moment he already had problems with his left leg, that's the reason. But polands showed great freestyle in most amount :D
Pyrzyce tournament was over a year ago, so even if he had some problems with the leg, can this be a good excuse to perform such a shitty and lame lp, according to the fact that his level is so high haha? And about the Poles, yeah you're right, they showed great freestyle, especially on Europan Championships in Prague =)
His leg doesn't let him to do what he really can do by 1st tries.
Yeah, patw by 7th try by Szymo with inflated ball, some issues with deflated ball with other fsers - it's really great.
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OK sure. I will just leave this thread to people who knows what they're talking about then... Don't mind me, just continue your hardcore training. Btw if you guys hadn't noticed, I surrendered already. No need to bring up things that I felt I was wrong about from the start.
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His leg doesn't let him to do what he really can do by 1st tries.
Yeah, patw by 7th try by Szymo with inflated ball, some issues with deflated ball with other fsers - it's really great.
Haha, you are beef-witted ;D I guess you haven't seen his LP in Pyrzyce if you are trying to justify it by saying he had problems his leg.
Patw done at 7th attempt with an inflated ball... anyone counted the tries? Maybe it was a delegation from Russia who did it? ;D Besides, Szymo is better than any freestyler from Russia so your example doesn't persuade me at all. =)
As far as great freestyle in Prague is concerned...
Freestyle Battle:
1) Lukasz Chwieduk (Poland)
2) Krzysiek Golonka (Poland)
3) Arthur Mansilla (Brazíl)
4) Filip Tyczkowski (Poland)
Freestyle Routines:
1) Pawel Skóra (Poland)
2) Krzysiek Golonka (Poland)
3) Philip Warren Gertsson (Sweden)
Sick-3:
1) Rolánd Karászi (Hungary)
2) Pawel Skóra (Poland)
3) Michal Rycaj (Poland)
Where the fuck is Russia? Where's your high level and progress?
Aa.. I forgot about something. You tend to think that freestyle videos reflect actual skills of a freestyler, don't you?
Keep on training man, maybe one day some guy will post a comment below your video: "omg bro best video of the year for me kkkkk' yeah !
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giniu, maybe we should mention the judges? :D
Where the fuck was Poland at RBSS with such great results in Prague? :D
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Dunno what you're talking about. The judges in Prague were ok imo, since they judged freestyle, not only lowers, it's common in this type of tournaments.
Where was Poland at RBSS? hmmmm... higher than Russia? =)
Besides that, RBSS happened before Prague and each country had one freestyler representating it, so think before you post =)
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@giniu szymo is not better than any russian freestyler imho
you speak of polish achivements as if its all your work and success - i dont think so
ofc i don't know much about polish fs which i like, however you are nowhere close to leha in freestyle or contribution made for freestyle in the country
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Alex, I wasn't reffering to polish achievements as a result of my work at all. I wrote it only to confront it with what Leha wrote, it's easy to find it out so you just missed my point =) Sure, I'm not even close to leha in freestyle and I don't give a shit about it ;D I have no clue about his influence in his country's freestyle, but you don't have a clue about how much I've done, any polish freestyler can confrim that =)
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IMO some russians are killing freestyle in a way... you're limiting freestyle to only go in one direction. No innovation. Just train rolls when doing uppers coz it's harder, train sits by doing long combos and stall moves, train lowers by doing the hardcore shit.
to those who say john farnworth, jeon kwon, yo etc... are not freestylers are a bunch of wankers. period.
I do agree that with freestyle you must be committed to it just like in skateboarding, footbag, and other underground sport/arts.
and yes at the rate russians are improving at "LOWERS" they're the best at doing that. But those who say creativity isn't FREEstyle are just plain stupid.
my definition of freestyle is doing what you want with the ball using mostly your feet, not just atw variations.
and it's true that szymo, skora, and luki are better than probably all russian fsers. MP, Artes and Baruzdin imo are the only ones from Russia who can compete and WIN at the highest levels.
It's because they don't limit themselves to only training one style, with the exception of MP. MP is the best at lowers in Russia to me and is just a complete phenomenon. Depending on who works harder, I don't think it will be too long before MP will surpass Skora completely like how Skora surpassed Palle and Fx. Artes and Baruzdin are just extremely high level at all round. like seriously high level...
MP = Skora (but skora is way better sits and uppers)
Artes and Baruzdin = Szymo and Luki (but szymo and luki are way better at flow and speed)
And for those who doubted the tournament at prague, it had palle as a judge :great:
I believe that Russians are the fastest at improving when it comes to lowers, maybe even uppers, but what about the rest of freestyle? Leha has great (most probably the best) advices when it comes to improving stamina, techniques of moves, etc... He really is like the 1st PROPER freestyle coach and he's a master at freestyle theory no doubt. But it doesn't mean you can't listen to other ppl with great knowledge on OTHER parts of freestyle. It's like you're a boxer and you have a stamina coach teaching you how to improve on quickness or power...
Where are the Russians when it comes to creating new tricks? Even at lowers, you guys have no new atw variations/combos/moves.
I really want to hear the opinions of Professor Leha and Mr. Alex (MFS, Masters degree on freestyle sport) on Japan freestyle. They don't use much hands but they're a fan of hiphop fs (block moves). I especially want to hear your opinions on Kamalio, Yo, Yosshi, Petike, Yamato, Tokura, Martin Schopf, Jeon Kwon, Rene etc... Are their styles considered freestyle? If they're freestylers, are they good freestylers?
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IMO some russians are killing freestyle in a way... you're limiting freestyle to only go in one direction. No innovation. Just train rolls when doing uppers coz it's harder, train sits by doing long combos and stall moves, train lowers by doing the hardcore shit.
to those who say john farnworth, jeon kwon, yo etc... are not freestylers are a bunch of wankers. period.
I do agree that with freestyle you must be committed to it just like in skateboarding, footbag, and other underground sport/arts.
and yes at the rate russians are improving at "LOWERS" they're the best at doing that. But those who say creativity isn't FREEstyle are just plain stupid.
my definition of freestyle is doing what you want with the ball using mostly your feet, not just atw variations.
and it's true that szymo, skora, and luki are better than probably all russian fsers. MP, Artes and Baruzdin imo are the only ones from Russia who can compete and WIN at the highest levels.
It's because they don't limit themselves to only training one style, with the exception of MP. MP is the best at lowers in Russia to me and is just a complete phenomenon. Depending on who works harder, I don't think it will be too long before MP will surpass Skora completely like how Skora surpassed Palle and Fx. Artes and Baruzdin are just extremely high level at all round. like seriously high level...
MP = Skora (but skora is way better sits and uppers)
Artes and Baruzdin = Szymo and Luki (but szymo and luki are way better at flow and speed)
And for those who doubted the tournament at prague, it had palle as a judge :great:
I believe that Russians are the fastest at improving when it comes to lowers, maybe even uppers, but what about the rest of freestyle? Leha has great (most probably the best) advices when it comes to improving stamina, techniques of moves, etc... He really is like the 1st PROPER freestyle coach and he's a master at freestyle theory no doubt. But it doesn't mean you can't listen to other ppl with great knowledge on OTHER parts of freestyle. It's like you're a boxer and you have a stamina coach teaching you how to improve on quickness or power...
Where are the Russians when it comes to creating new tricks? Even at lowers, you guys have no new atw variations/combos/moves.
I really want to hear the opinions of Professor Leha and Mr. Alex (MFS, Masters degree on freestyle sport) on Japan freestyle. They don't use much hands but they're a fan of hiphop fs (block moves). I especially want to hear your opinions on Kamalio, Yo, Yosshi, Petike, Yamato, Tokura, Martin Schopf, Jeon Kwon, Rene etc... Are their styles considered freestyle? If they're freestylers, are they good freestylers?
1. Rollers are definitely NOT hard (spend (2) months on them and you will have 10rproll (np).Uppers in general are easy. Russian SAMuel trained in body tricks btw.
2. Long combos are good, they give you good basics - imo not bad advice.
3. Leha does not argue that there is FREEstyle, he just thinks it's stupid, as some of us others think as well. All leha tells you is that it is useless for hardcore fs, do not take it as in insult.
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@giniu - ok as i wrote - indeed i can't know of what you've done - but don't be hating on russia
after the trip to warsaw 2009 - ars wrote a big article about his trip - and he wrote only good things about polish freestylers
so i think it would not be cool if this thread turns into hateful argument about russia and poland
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ok and where are your great South America freestylers in these categories? no master in anything from South America. i believe ARS German and MP beat everyone from SA in lowers and started freestyle way later. plus the other guys you mentioned as masters are also mainly masters in one category (except Mirko and Becs) while russians are on high level in everything and in a shorter time of freestyle. i dont get your argumentation vish22
please respect
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Max, i have already mentioned that ARS,German and MP and masters in ahmatw,ahtatw and their cross and triple variations.They are not no.1 nor no.2,in no touches nor bec variations nor latw-alatw variations,but they are crazy nonetheless.
Anyways,that was not my point,what i am trying to say that who else??u tell me,other than these 3-4 hardcore insane machines,who else is even near them in russia huh??can any1 else in russia do more than 5 amatws nt?triple bec variation??4alatws???
You can talk about a high level,but u need to be good in all categories to attain an overall high level which clearly 80% russians are not
They just are insane in ahmatws and ahtatws and putting them in longish,combos.and they train 6 hrs everyday.but yes,the average level in russia is way higher than in europe,and big big for that and nobodys pushing them down for that.
Now look at south america,do u think they train 6 hrs everyday??crasso moslo,LKR,esteban,to name a few have trained a bit more than 2 years and dont u think they have attained a higher overall level than the 80% russians who train 6hrs everyday?
can u get what i'm saying now?
Russians,practice other hardcore variations a bit more and then nobody can touch u
crasso train more than 4 years now and esteban more than 2, well then lkr is crazy xD
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well, back to the topic xD haha
I want to say something about satw :Woot_Emoticon:
well I dont know if you will get the point of this question because I`ve never heard another freestyler describe a trick like this, well satw could be considered as "ahmatw co nt" or "htw amatw nt", well if I`m wrong, sorry but I feel satw like this :P
then I`ve never done a satw, thinking it as "ahmatw co nt", actually I learned satw as just one single move, I mean, satw is satw nothing else. Then I was talkin with J9 from Mexico about satw and I asked for some advises, then he comes out with the "htw amatw nt" thing. Well I was really surprised with that way of does the trick, when I tryed it, I got a really high satw but it feels like 2 moves done really fast, like an nt, as I said before, so i decided to do satw in the old way (just as one move) but satw="htw amatw nt" is really easier than my way.
Now, I`m writting this becaused I buyed a new ball, to be spessific an Adidas "speedcell" after used monta ball more than a year, well i got lots of problems with the ball, not about the size, was more about the weight, now I'm really used to this ball but i really got problems with satw amatw nt, and when I tried the J9 satw way I found out that the ball doesnt go as hight as i want :rolleyes: (after i tryed J9 way I`ve tryed mine way)
Today i was training that satw amatw nt again and i was doing satw in my way and I found out that insted of catching the ball when it is almost touch the ground, I touch it as hight as i can the ball lifts up higer but in an uncontroled way... do you have any advise???