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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Help and Advice => Topic started by: Ethan on Feb 13, 2011, 04:58: AM
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hey hey, with all this stuff from leha popping up i thought i would give my insight as to improvement in lower freestyle...
*gonna say this here, what i am saying is pretty much only relevant once you reach a level of learning things such as tatw amatw nt, latw etc
This is tough to explain but if u can understand what i am saying it is likely to hugely benefit your lower trainings!
so here goes...lower improvement is down to a battle between your legs and your brain. when you learn tatw amatw nt it is very rare after a tatw your legs are going to be able to go into an amatw nt, it simply isnt natural. so what you have to do is let your brain trick your legs. you have to make your brain control your legs movement (this is really hard to explain). by this i mean you have to force the movement - and in your head you need to break the combo into sections. so you do a tatw then instantly your brain has to be moving your leg around for the htw nt then crossover nt.
moving onto something differnt, co ahmatw nt (i did this for the first time today purely becuase of the method i am about to describe). so i was trying it and not even getting close, then i remembered the zero hesitation technique. so i made my brain convince my legs that the crossover was in fact just the first touch of an ahmatw, so after the crossover i simply had to not hesitate and do an ahmatw...this sounds hard to believe but i did it first attempt.
so a big trick people always ask for help on is patw...there is so much technique involved in learning patw and if u can master this whole brain controlling your legs concept it makes it far far easier!
I have probably made it very hard to understand because it is very hard to explain, but i will explain it through a video soon :)
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Thanks for that :)
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This is so intersting I understood a bit of it ;you must focus ur brain on what you do with ur legs and not do it for random.
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loved it
looking forward for more on that
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i read through it now myself and it's pretty hard to understand...
so i will try and explain better :) if you can see what i am saying i can guarantee it will help you in your next training....
when you freestyle you tend to just go for a move. often you can't get it because your technique is wrong! i am not going to go through every move and explain the correct technique but i can tell you a way which will enable you to certainly get better attempts/achieve a trick.
the reason you won't get a good attempt at a trick is because your letting your legs do the work. you should make your brain do the work. you need to mentally force yourself into 1. really going for the trick and putting your all into it and 2. processing the technique in your mind as you are doing the trick.
if you are reading this and thinking it sounds obvious or whatever, go out next training and when u arent landing a trick/combo think through this. make sure you are processing the technique and forcing yourself into the correct technique and forcing yourself into doing the trick.
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very very very very very good post
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this is true
the move I did (x crab ass or whatever the hell it is) in my intermediate comp top 12 video was frikkin hard to do.
The whole time I was aiming for an x over - datw nt movement (like crab ass except that you do an x over, not co)
I was there for an hour. Then I paused and thought what would happen if I tried a rco movement instead so that my legs would go all the way and give me space to do the datw part?
It took me a few attempts to get it and almost all of them were very close.
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We need to turn this into an article for our site. ethanfreestyle, do you want to edit it yourself or should one of us do it?
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Good post Ethan, I used the same method when learning co-latw nt, which is a quite difficult move as well. Thanks for sharing! I couldn't have explained it better, well done.
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Hmm, weird. I find that thinking too much puts me off and I get the worst attempts than when I just go for it.
Am I doing something wrong? When are you supposed to be doing the thinking, before the move, just before the execution or during?
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well mental part is important indeed
lets say your are going for amatw-amatw strong to weak - and you did amatw - nice height - but you don't go for the finishing amatw nt - just because you can't believe you can actually do it - or you re afraid to fall
if you approach this combo mentally right, then you'll land it
i have talked to several guys about that - and it's great that Ethan wrote that out - really important for making a progress
it's not as vague as Doctor's G posts and makes perfect sense to me
respect
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Helped me land latw! (even though it was crappy style)
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Helped me land on my face! Damn you CO ATW nt! :(
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Helped me land on my face! Damn you CO ATW nt! :(
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@Sven - that is actually when i first thought about this technique, when i was learning co latw nt! did the crossover moment then convinced my legs it was just an alatw and it was much easier.
@LIS - before you do the move think to yourself how you can make it easier (i.e if there is a crossover u are gonna need to convince your legs it is just a normal first touch) and then as you do the move your brain needs to be reallllly believing that it is just the trick from the first touch, not the crossover.
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This is seriously useful advice and is also imo the best way to do 3rev tricks aswell
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Its all about getting used to basic leg movements which are involved in the trick,this makes your head(brain) more stable and also makes you put lesser efforts when you are actually attempting the trick you want.Going for the trick directly will get you nowhere.
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It helped me land Lmatw,
I thought of it as atw-matw and that way I got it 10-20 minutes :)
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heres my story, maybe its relevent..
i was trying lmatw (for the first time) for like an hour, and the mental pressure and the thought of difficulty was making me do worst tries possible. so i was like screw it! i will do a beautiful latw combo for the video, the thought cheered me up and released all the pressure and i started the latw motion this i always get perfect and BAM! out of nowhere i hit lmatw(like half way through, my brain made my body go for lmatw on its own), first lmatw in my life...
This shows that i had all in me to do lmatw but something in my head was screwing me up. i must say the one hour of training stored the required data to do the trick and when i went for latw without any pressure everything clicked and i was able to do lmatw (perfect style, good co motion.)
hard to explain..
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very good post! i had the same with amatw amatw nt... i did the first amatw too high every time, so i just thought... how high do i need to get it and on wich high i have to do the second amatw, and after really thinking about it, i did it, and i still think before trying it :great:
thanks ethan, this will help many people i think :You_Rock_Emoticon:
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its possible to trick your mind into landing hard tricks by pretending you are just doing a similar trick that is easier...
the mentality you need is "nothing is too hard for me, i can learn any trick there is out there"
and you need to actully belive it :)
some guys will say thats "cocky" but this atitude can help you alot learning freestyle...
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Ethan, I know exactly what you are speaking about! And it's really good explained!
I've actually think about this really much. The problem with me is that I don't got the high level to do it on really...
I think I need to learn amatw with weak first before I try tatw-amatw nt if you know what I mean!
but a really good post from you ethan!
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Ethan, I know exactly what you are speaking about! And it's really good explained!
I've actually think about this really much. The problem with me is that I don't got the high level to do it on really...
I think I need to learn amatw with weak first before I try tatw-amatw nt if you know what I mean!
but a really good post from you ethan!
good thinking, i would be surprised if you were trying to do it without being able to do amatw weak foot
well learning tatw-amatw starting with weak foot is way easier
if you want to learn tatw-amatw from strong (which is a very good thing to learn btw - very beneficial for nt in future) - you don't just need to learn amatw weak first like you think - you gotta have at least a record of 3 amatws, also latw weak foot for speed and control (and know and be able to do other things too)
unless you want to do it once on camera - show it to your bf friends and be happy
knowledge plays a big role too, so does mental approach
p.s. it is strange that so many people start practicing nt, before they master the very basics and get consistent at 25-30 trick combos
i know why - it requires a lot of work
no matter how often you guys say how much you love fs, deep in you head you don't want to sweat your ass off - but hope for some miracle or whatever
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yes I think it's true, when I complete my tatw, there's a small time frame I feel myself "freezed" and can not do the amatw at the very right time.
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Ethan, I know exactly what you are speaking about! And it's really good explained!
I've actually think about this really much. The problem with me is that I don't got the high level to do it on really...
I think I need to learn amatw with weak first before I try tatw-amatw nt if you know what I mean!
but a really good post from you ethan!
good thinking, i would be surprised if you were trying to do it without being able to do amatw weak foot
well learning tatw-amatw starting with weak foot is way easier
if you want to learn tatw-amatw from strong (which is a very good thing to learn btw - very beneficial for nt in future) - you don't just need to learn amatw weak first like you think - you gotta have at least a record of 3 amatws, also latw weak foot for speed and control (and know and be able to do other things too)
unless you want to do it once on camera - show it to your bf friends and be happy
knowledge plays a big role too, so does mental approach
p.s. it is strange that so many people start practicing nt, before they master the very basics and get consistent at 25-30 trick combos
i know why - it requires a lot of work
no matter how often you guys say how much you love fs, deep in you head you don't want to sweat your ass off - but hope for some miracle or whatever
hehe thanks for that help! :D
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when you talk about the brain and the leg movements, it's called muscle memory which exists in every sport pretty much. nice topic :sign0098:
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when you talk about the brain and the leg movements, it's called muscle memory which exists in every sport pretty much. nice topic :sign0098:
no i am not talking about muscle memory - in fact quit the opposite. i am talking about forcing your legs to do the movement you want rather than using muscle memory which will not work when you are first learning a trick.
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oooops, i miss-read your first post my bad. :great:
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I've experienced that if you try to think on an another technique when doing a trick, it can be much easier to attempt. For example when doing beck atw, the trick will be mucher better when thinking that the first hatw should be high and strong. If you try for example latw or alatw and always hit the foot under the ball almost, but you lose the ball every attempt, it can be better if trying to think different when trying the trick.
Very good topic btw, Ethan :)
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Houston, we have a sticky
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ou pretty good ...
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I'm moving this to the help and advice section.
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too be fair ethan, this a a very very good post, going too try it next session!
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You said the biggest truth of freestyle!
THX MAN!
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yeah its a really good post i kinda use that when a train now cause its realy hard to set 3 or more nts at once so i kinda do them like one amatw at a time til a reach 4 or 5 some times but its a realy good tip thxs!!! :c017:
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A very helpful post. Thanks a lot!
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In my years of freestyle training thinking about that which way is the best way to do tricks I ended with the same conclusion. I've was failing at atatw-timo nt but when I said to myself it's like out htw then co-timo nt my control of atatw sky-rocketed and I land it pretty easily. You have to think and to break your combo in little pieces that your brain have to execute. By the way how to break Skatw in little pieces to do it and which trick to train first ? My problem is that I do easily ahmatw but I start it with my weak foot. I've been practicing magellan weak foot for Skatw will it help (thinking it like half magellan-ahmatw nt) ? :c017:
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Just to clarify Ethan : you are saying instead of mindlessly going into the trick and expecting to do it, really focus in on your legs movement and speeding up those legs?
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Going to try out to do matw, will see what happens.
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