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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: G-Kid on Feb 06, 2011, 06:34: AM
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Im currently sat on the loo thinking about this, is the freestyle scene really dead?
Im not sure, there was a specific period of time, like between 07-09 where the freestyle scene was growing so much, i mean at a ridicolous rate.
However over the last year and abit, it seems to be shrinking.
Its certainly happening in the UK, i remember back in the day there seemed to be a new pair of freestylers every month, and we ended the year with twice as many freestylers as we started, But since then, the energy has slowly dropped, barely any new freestylers and most of me and the "old" guys have either dissapered or been on and off.
It can also be seen on this forum, I remember back in the day, good videos would get +50 comments, nowadays videos of twice the quality will get 20 max. Tbh i think getting rid of oLi was the downfall of this forum, ever since then its gone downhill, the guy kept this place alive so much. Even though i like the ideas Adi and the team are coming up with, id rather have oLi any day of the week. *NO ECUABOL* (no homo)
it seems like this in the whole scene too, Pryscrwsfrbadgfstfb (polish comp) and Rbss getting delayed or cancelled, barely ever seeing new footage from any of the greats, or theyve quit, barely any videos in general too.
What are your guys opinions on whether its dying or not? what made it like this if so? and do you think it will ever grow back?
Discuss.
G.
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It's definitely dying.
I think because of the insane level that this sport has gotten too, people (new-freestylers) feel so intimidated by everyone else.
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I think because of the insane level that this sport has gotten too, people (new-freestylers) feel so intimidated by everyone else.
My thoughts exactly.
About the commenting, you can still see a lot of comments on the actual youtube video comment section. I think that most freestylers would know by now that a high commented video on youtube will help increase the number of view of the video where as if you comment here, they don't.
The lack of commenting could also be caused by certain topics created in this section, such as: What kind of comments do you like? The options where something like, "Great combos", "Great combos, try working on X", "Work on X". The "great combos" comment didn't get many votes so freestylers have stopped using those kind of comments. If I remember correctly, it was your idol Oli who created that topic or had a big part in that thread.
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Yeah the level is really high now and the veterans don't freestyle as much and aren't as active. To be honest it's not as enjoyable anymore, there are too many people out there with the mentality of being the best, achieving new records, hardcore combos. 2006-2008 were the best years, NAS forum and everything.
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Oh come on, I hate all those "negative" threads saying that the freestyle scene is all dead etc. I mean sure the past years have been great, and I'm pretty sure that in 2,3-4 years people will be talking great about this or last year. People might not make that many videos anymore, because I have the feeling they don't practice hardcore tricks that much anymore, but rather train more creative or LP stuff. But that doesn't mean the freestyle scene is dead. Besides, I agree with Elias that people comment more on YouTube videos than here on BF.
Hint: A new mindblowing video will be out soon...
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The shock/surprise value has decreased too. its hard to impress people these days, a tatw atatw nt doesnt matter much these days, before it was like the biggest achievment. Oli did add spice.
Beyondfootball is going to be a part of history no matter, its life, ups and down... we still need a forum imo.
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no more hardcore fs :( I'm afraid very soon people are just going to care about creative, stylish combos and that's good, but the hardcore side of freestyle will be ignored! Maybe this is just because the level has gone up so high that very few people can match it, but I think it's also because people think the creative side of freestyle is better for getting shows and performances, so people practice that more...that is just as bad as the whole freestyle scene going down because, for me, hardcore > creativity by far (no offence intended to people who love creative stuff).
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Maybe the comment section here is dying coz whenever I post in a thread it seems like most ppl try to avoid it :embarrassed:
as you can see, I've been posting the most comments, hence the highest credits :sign0066:
When are we gonna have the Official Beyondfootball forum allround competition for 2011? Yeah, I know we have that partnered online comp thing going on, but I don't think it will gather as much attention as the last bfforum comp. (Arthur vs Skora, Sven vs Zhura, Sven dropping out :Woot_Emoticon:)
We've reached such a high hardcore level in fs that most videos seem boring and most veterans don't bother commenting.
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It seems to be kinda dead. In melbourne, there are a lot of fsers that can't fs because of school, work, injuries and other commitments. however as a noob it does seem quite intimidating. it doesn't seem anyone cares about a noobs comment or opinion. i've fsed a year, and improved at a pretty much sloth pace and i don't really care about being hardcore (by today's standards) because for me, it's too much commitment. And anyways, where's the fun in drilling yourself to the ground and having no fun while freestyling? i'd definitely rather be stylish and be the hardcore type, described to me by aznfs, from back in 07/08 where tatw-amatw was the master combo etc. etc. another note, it's not always about being hardcore, it's about being friends having the same interest and sharing talents, being creative and enjoying the sport :celebrate: ok my rant is over
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You guys saying hardcore is what is destroying the sport...
When a master like Mirko, Becs etc release a video people have no problem with saying 'omg that was mindboggling, such a ridiculous level, so motivating etc.' However the second there is an oppertunity to appear 'alternative' by saying hardcore is 'no fun' and it's all about having fun and making friends and being creative, people post...
Being realistic, those of you saying hardcore is no fun are lying...it is just harder to achieve big things, but the feeling of satisfaction when you do is unbeatable compared to doing eclipse - leiki chip - dragon stall - 360atw. Hardcore freestyle is just going through a patchy phase, although nobody has mentioned winter. It is far harder to stay motivated through winter and there has been quite bad weather this year. People need to stop giving up hardcore and stick with (let's be honest) the rewarding, difficult side of freestyle.
*Those of you who want to know what Sven is talking about may want to check his Twitter
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Its not dead, its changed!
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i think the problem is that today, your motivation can't be to become the best, because it's almost impossible. And if you just do it for fun and you don't train a lot, you won't get noticed today, like 5 years ago Latw was an incredible trick, and today nobody cares...
Also if the younger people today have the choice between playing PlayStation or go out to do sports, more and more choose playing PS...
Though I have to admit that playing FIFA11 in HQ is a big difference to FIFA 98 RTWC :-D
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i think the problem is that today, your motivation can't be to become the best, because it's almost impossible. And if you just do it for fun and you don't train a lot, you won't get noticed today, like 5 years ago Latw was an incredible trick, and today nobody cares...
Also if the younger people today have the choice between playing PlayStation or go out to do sports, more and more choose playing PS...
Though I have to admit that playing FIFA11 in HQ is a big difference to FIFA 98 RTWC :-D
Yeah... when freestyle was new and young there was nothing like Playstation, we lived in the caves and threw stones at witches... aah, i remember that good old time! :embarrassed:
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Freestyle is not Dying ...but this forum is (sorry).
Facebook is taking over big time when it comes to forum style.
Also youtube hits might get less views , but thats because there are just to many of them.
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I totally agree with Ethan and Tom!
Freestyle is not Dying ...but this forum is (sorry).
Facebook is taking over big time when it comes to forum style.
Also youtube hits might get less views , but thats because there are just to many of them.
I'd say that youtube videos get more views? I remember back when a good freestyle video could never get more than 10k views..Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I had.. Also just because of Facebook, it helps getting people more views, because people share the videos with their friends.
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Completely agree with Ethan about the Winter thing. I started freestyle last Winter so I didn't really understand what was so bad about it because I'd been 'born' into it but this year it's definitely a lot harder to practice, for each individual, therfore, less videos, therefore even less motivation for individual freestylers, etc...
This 'dead-freestyle' period has only been going on since Winter and that's no coincidence.
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Freestyle is growing in Denmark.
Just sayin.
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In regards with what Ethan said, winter definitly makes it more depressing, I got like 3 feet of snow so I haven't had a decent practice in weeks (garage isn't that great)
I also wouldnt say hardcore is destroying the sport, its what built the sport. But hardcore makes it so intimidating, by the time I (if) I Were to reach the level in 2 years where the level is now, 15amatw nt would be considered intermediate. Imagine what an atw will be, it probably won't exist anymore...
I like where the sport is going (hardcore) but it makes it impossible for néw fsers to catch up.
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wait for the weather to improve a bit guys.. and if rbss is goin ahead it will SPARK IT UP bigtime.. when rbss is on, everyone starts training their ass off... its the best thing that ever happened to fs
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Yeah... when freestyle was new and young there was nothing like Playstation, we lived in the caves and threw stones at witches... aah, i remember that good old time! :embarrassed:
cool... sounds like you had an interesting childhood
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Yeah... when freestyle was new and young there was nothing like Playstation, we lived in the caves and threw stones at witches... aah, i remember that good old time! :embarrassed:
cool... sounds like you had an interesting childhood
Actually not. I lied in my earlier post.
Dan is also right, RBSS have done allot for freestyle, actually!
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It's interesting reading all the different opinions. Honestly, I have no idea why it's slowing down. I guess it would take some serious research to figure it out. But yes, our forum has slowed down quite a bit. A lot of it has to do with the soccer and general chat sections, and not just freestyle. When people stopped posted about soccer and general shit, many of the classic members lost interest.
By the way, I've always hated how new freestylers were treated in freestyle. I don't care what anyone says, but most beginners are not given enough encouragement. That's probably the main thing. We should encourage new freestylers to come on here. Hell, if we have to create a Beginners forum for their videos, that's fine, but we can't make them feel like shit. We should help everyone so the sport can grow.
I know we have 10x more shit on this forum and website than before. Our social network is nice but barely anyone uses it. It's really annoying. I've spent quite a bit of time and effort trying to get this to look all nice but barely anything is every used up to its potential. I don't know... I'll keep trying to promote the front page, news section, live stream, and soccer/general sections. We'll see if things turn around.
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In regards with what Ethan said, winter definitly makes it more depressing, I got like 3 feet of snow so I haven't had a decent practice in weeks (garage isn't that great)
I also wouldnt say hardcore is destroying the sport, its what built the sport. But hardcore makes it so intimidating, by the time I (if) I Were to reach the level in 2 years where the level is now, 15amatw nt would be considered intermediate. Imagine what an atw will be, it probably won't exist anymore...
I like where the sport is going (hardcore) but it makes it impossible for néw fsers to catch up.
I really have to disagree with that. There are many freestylers that have caught up with tricks in the last year or so, and I'm sure everyone can do it if they put in as much effort.
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I disagree completely,
1. I think its more the forum itself that is starting to slow down abit, not freestyle.
2. Winter is such an important point, during the winter i trained literally fuck all, and i guarentee most other freetylers trained less aswell, therefore less videos etc. The days r starting to get longer and i am triaing a good half an hour more a day now etc.
3. Personnlly, on the hardcore front, hardcore will definately start picking up once everyone starts training more.
4. Also so many more people r starting to get into freestyle now a days, like even stuff like Dans radio interview etc is an example of spreading the sport etc, and i am sure there have been many other examples of freestylers doing radio/ tv interviews etc.
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This forum and all other freestyle forums play a huge role in how well freestyle is doing. If this forum and any other larger forum is doing poorly, freestyle will be impacted very negatively. Freestyle is about being part of a community and being exclusive. Think about it - most freestylers don't want anything to do with regular football. This makes freestyle communities very important because not everybody understand freestyle. I think Facebook alone or Youtube alone wouldn't do shit for freestyle. People wouldn't get to know each other well enough to create a bond. Forums create reputations in a way and allow people to get to know each other, although in a weird virtual way. I think whoever cares about freestyle should try to keep this forums alive and growing. Freestyle seemed biggest when the forums were active. And while a forum's activity is not the only indicator on how well freestyle is doing, it sure as hell is a big part. Forums were key to growing freestyle and always will be.
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This forum and all other freestyle forums play a huge role in how well freestyle is doing. If this forum and any other larger forum is doing poorly, freestyle will be impacted very negatively. Freestyle is about being part of a community and being exclusive. Think about it - most freestylers don't want anything to do with regular football. This makes freestyle communities very important because not everybody understand freestyle. I think Facebook alone or Youtube alone wouldn't do shit for freestyle. People wouldn't get to know each other well enough to create a bond. Forums create reputations in a way and allow people to get to know each other, although in a weird virtual way. I think whoever cares about freestyle should try to keep this forums alive and growing. Freestyle seemed biggest when the forums were active. And while a forum's activity is not the only indicator on how well freestyle is doing, it sure as hell is a big part. Forums were key to growing freestyle and always will be.
that's not true. The people i freestyled with all wrote me on youtube, also the guy who organised the fs championship wrote me on youtube too.
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Freestyling is not dying, freestyle will not die, freestyle is not dead.
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This forum and all other freestyle forums play a huge role in how well freestyle is doing. If this forum and any other larger forum is doing poorly, freestyle will be impacted very negatively. Freestyle is about being part of a community and being exclusive. Think about it - most freestylers don't want anything to do with regular football. This makes freestyle communities very important because not everybody understand freestyle. I think Facebook alone or Youtube alone wouldn't do shit for freestyle. People wouldn't get to know each other well enough to create a bond. Forums create reputations in a way and allow people to get to know each other, although in a weird virtual way. I think whoever cares about freestyle should try to keep this forums alive and growing. Freestyle seemed biggest when the forums were active. And while a forum's activity is not the only indicator on how well freestyle is doing, it sure as hell is a big part. Forums were key to growing freestyle and always will be.
that's not true. The people i freestyled with all wrote me on youtube, also the guy who organised the fs championship wrote me on youtube too.
Yeah, you get to know that one individual by writing back and worth, but you don't learn about others. On the forum, you see other people's posts so you can technically get a feel for someone's personality without actually talking to them directly. I have a sense of the type of person Miran and Tom are without actually chatting with them directly. I see their posts and know. The forum has avatars, sigs, and a easier system to remember people by. This helps everyone get a feel for one another without being in direct contact. Most people don't read all, if any, comments on Youtube. Youtube is for watching videos, with comments being a secondary thing. Forums on the other hand, are for both.
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Miran is completely different in real life. On here he is a caring father like figure to us all always providing us with links, answers and always asking the right questions however in real life he is just a horny asshole who drinks hardcore alcohol from Croatia and walks around doing this all the time:
(http://www.fishing4fun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/medium_dr_evil_1.jpg)
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getting to know people by drawing conclusions about their character from their posts... if that's what should keep the forum alive, no wonder everybody says it's dying.
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I'm saying that's a part of it. You can't tell me you don't have people that you like and don't like on here. It's not just about the text.
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i originally just said youtube helped me more than this forum.
i think the advantage of this forum is that if freestylers announce when they visit another country, other freestylers from the area can arrange a meeting. but i won't make a trip to visit a guy from the forum just because i think his comments are funny.
besides, i don't think either that the comments are very representative for one's real personality....
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No, the scene is not dead, "hardcore" freestyle isn't fading out (just check the video section), "creative" freestyle isn't taking over the world and the Forum would be more active if you did more posting and less whining.
Also, you can't tell another person what is fun and what isn't or wich is more fun, it's a personal preference. I'm sure that, for example, Mirko gets more fun and joy out of "hardcore" tricks than let's say, Wass and vice versa. Everyone has their own thing which they enjoy and have fun with. ;)
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No, the scene is not dead, "hardcore" freestyle isn't fading out (just check the video section), "creative" freestyle isn't taking over the world and the Forum would be more active if you did more posting and less whining.
Also, you can't tell another person what is fun and what isn't or wich is more fun, it's a personal preference. I'm sure that, for example, Mirko gets more fun and joy out of "hardcore" tricks than let's say, Wass and vice versa. Everyone has their own thing which they enjoy and have fun with. ;)
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Good post, I agree completely.
Just because there's a few more non-mainstream videos one week, doesn't mean hardcore freestyle is dying is gone lol
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The forum has actually picked up over the last 7-10 days. We are seeing over 100 posts every day, while we were struggling to hit 100 on a regular basis before. Let's keep it going and bring the entertainment back to our site. Cheers for everyone's effort and interest level over th past 10 days. :great:
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there's no more freestyle competitions, just RBSS (i mean diferent competitions and in all countries and and states , cities maybe)
and i think it helps making freestyle dying, cuz with more competitions will have more motivation for practice.
hardcore is not destroying the sport and it was one of the best thing happened for the sport, was the evolution.
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For the first time there are competitions giving away considerable amounts of money in prizes. Copa Challenge giving away around $15,000-20,000 in prizes and there are several others around $5,000.
If enough people participate, we should see more of this. Personally, I'd rather see more competitions giving away $500-1,000 but have lots of little comps all over the place. This will create more of a grassroots buzz and get more people interested.
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its like daniel said, facebook is taking over.
Freestyle is growing faster then ever before! it will be HUGE! :)
so dont worry about that.
Before freestyle football was much about beeing on a forum and showing videos to other "freaks"
now its changed... freestyle doesnt need forums in the same way. basicly the forums pick up the new guys that wanna learn the tricks and have 1000 questions about everything... the old guys doesnt post much at all anymore, they just practice on their own, and showing their videos to freestylers the know... like on facebook...
just because the guys doesnt upload a video every week, doesnt mean they dont practice ;)
freestyle for life!
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Right, freestyle scene is not dying. I don't know what about other countries, but there's a situation in Poland, that people don't write too much on our biggest forum(futbolweb.pl), because they already know themselves and simply talk on Messenger, meet, etc. They just prefer direct contact, not via net. Anyway, if a "freestyle Internet scene" is dying, what's the problem? There's a REAL WORLD left, YOU NO LIFES! :D
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Right, freestyle scene is not dying. I don't know what about other countries, but there's a situation in Poland, that people don't write too much on our biggest forum(futbolweb.pl), because they already know themselves and simply talk on Messenger, meet, etc. They just prefer direct contact, not via net. Anyway, if a "freestyle Internet scene" is dying, what's the problem? There's a REAL WORLD left, YOU NO LIFES! :D
this is a FREESTYLE forum?
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Right, freestyle scene is not dying. I don't know what about other countries, but there's a situation in Poland, that people don't write too much on our biggest forum(futbolweb.pl), because they already know themselves and simply talk on Messenger, meet, etc. They just prefer direct contact, not via net. Anyway, if a "freestyle Internet scene" is dying, what's the problem? There's a REAL WORLD left, YOU NO LIFES! :D
this is a FREESTYLE forum?
Ok, but which situation would you choose?
"less talk - more action"
"more talk - less action"
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Of course you should not take it in the true sense of the words, but my english is too poor to explain this.
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Right, freestyle scene is not dying. I don't know what about other countries, but there's a situation in Poland, that people don't write too much on our biggest forum(futbolweb.pl), because they already know themselves and simply talk on Messenger, meet, etc. They just prefer direct contact, not via net. Anyway, if a "freestyle Internet scene" is dying, what's the problem? There's a REAL WORLD left, YOU NO LIFES! :D
this is a FREESTYLE forum?
Ok, but which situation would you choose?
"less talk - more action"
"more talk - less action"
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Of course you should not take it in the true sense of the words, but my english is too poor to explain this.
I prefer more talk - more action
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idk how the freestyle scene is in other parts of the world,but what i can say is that here in the area where i live no one really cares or even knows fs.
This forum is pretty much the only place where i can talk about fs.
So i think this forum is great.
I feel that people are afraid of even trying to fs.
Cuz the other day i did a simple ATW and my friends were all like wow i could never do that.
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here in the area where i live no one really cares or even knows fs.
This forum is pretty much the only place where i can talk about fs.
i was not active on the forum until i moved to the US
forum is good, as long as people discuss freestyle and practice too - to be able to discuss it
but not spend hours in religion thread or discussing graphic cards in the technology section
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here in the area where i live no one really cares or even knows fs.
This forum is pretty much the only place where i can talk about fs.
i was not active on the forum until i moved to the US
forum is good, as long as people discuss freestyle and practice too - to be able to discuss it
but not spend hours in religion thread or discussing graphic cards in the technology section
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Like some of you said, you still need forums in some parts of the world. If you live in the US, nobody freestyles and the best place to be around freestyle is to be on a forum. I can understand it being a little different in the UK or in Poland where you have quite a few freestylers nearby and plenty of place to go for LPs even.
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
i dont think that enthusiasm is dead cause the level is higher everyday.... the fs train more everyday but they dont write in the forum ...
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
i dont think that enthusiasm is dead cause the level is higher everyday.... the fs train more everyday but they dont write in the forum ...
Enthusiasm as a group is dead, the level of support has dropped phenomenally. I still get excited to train, just not as excited to comment some other video
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
i dont think that enthusiasm is dead cause the level is higher everyday.... the fs train more everyday but they dont write in the forum ...
Enthusiasm as a group is dead, the level of support has dropped phenomenally. I still get excited to train, just not as excited to comment some other video
therefore, freestyle is dead and enthusiasm remains.
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
i dont think that enthusiasm is dead cause the level is higher everyday.... the fs train more everyday but they dont write in the forum ...
Enthusiasm as a group is dead, the level of support has dropped phenomenally. I still get excited to train, just not as excited to comment some other video
therefore, freestyle is dead and enthusiasm remains.
You're going to have to elaborate, I don't quote understand this.
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Freestyle is NOT dead
Enthusiasm is dead.
I don't want to write a wall of text, but look at how many comments videos get.
i dont think that enthusiasm is dead cause the level is higher everyday.... the fs train more everyday but they dont write in the forum ...
Enthusiasm as a group is dead, the level of support has dropped phenomenally. I still get excited to train, just not as excited to comment some other video
therefore, freestyle is dead and enthusiasm remains.
You're going to have to elaborate, I don't quote understand this.
Freestyle is a general term and talking about everybody, and this is what you say has died (no comments on videos, etc..) and you're saying you get enthusiastic when you train so freestyle is dead and enthusiasm remains if you think this way:)
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freestyle is coming back.. summer is comin!! :D
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yeeeee
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OK, now. It took me a while to sum this up and write it and + it's the truth so fucking read this!!
It hasn't died, but changed a lot. Here's, what I think, the two most important reasons to this are.
Firstly, someone mentioned old school freestylers;
A lot of oldschool freestylers "dissapeared" because a typical freestyler is someone who's in his teens.
Teenagers normaly have hobies that become significant in their lifes and occupy a lot of their spare time. But when you reach a certain age your interests change (sometimes more dramaticly).
Legend, Kantcho, Berno, Mitchy, Jay, Lemmens, Jan, Lindroth, Tobbe, Bane, Ed Yoon and myself to name a few have vanished because we practiced and made videos when we were 15,16, 19 or whatever age. Now years later some have college, work or whatever and you A; grow up and develop other interests and B; have less time and desire to train.
It doesn't just happen in freestyle. You have tons of skateborders, swimmers, fotball, basketball players etc that look promising but after they reach a certain age seem to drop out or don't give as much attention to the sport. Some more than others.
It's not the same with everyone, of course, but it's common.
The other issue is what this site is expiriancing first hand for a while now, and that is lack of active community, so to call it.
A few years back a vast majority of freestylers were active on BF. Posting videos, comments, participating in a shit loads of topics. Because it was pretty much the only place to do so.
And the beginning of the end for this was, as I noticed, when freestylers started using MSN.
Before it was the entire community (at least 80%) using the same place to chat, post videos, tutorials, challenges etc, but when MSN came along you would no longer need to use BF to show someone your video or tell someone what you thought of their video. Now there was an alternative and the more people started using it the more people started using it, if you know what I mean.
Than with MSN along came YouTube and Facebook which brought even more alternatives.
So what that did was kinda "isolating" freestylers and you would no longer have peoples ideas or comments all in the same place, but you would had to go to each person privately and get his thoughts. So you get the feeling that the community is dead, but it's not really, you just don't see "all of the posts".
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I think you're looking at this from a way longer time-span than everyone else.
When people say freestyle is dead, they mean since July/August last year and not 2008 and your post is trying to explain how it's gone down over the YEARS while everyone else is trying to explain this mini-going-down over the last few months.
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I think people will be inspired by some of the videos that are out now, like Luki's and Brizze's..Which might make them practise a lot more and make videos..Get the Freestyle Scene up and runing again :grin: :grin:
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Freestyle has changed to hardcore and to Lps.I have seen bounch of freestylers doing hardcore combos :undecided: and
also a bounch doing a live performance.But I havent seen a guy doing freestyle in his garden for fun..
Personally freestyle is just fucked up.
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Golo is right. Youtube and Facebook are new channels for freestyle which have pulled some away from our community. Freestylers would often rather promote their own Facebook page rather than chat on here. More and more freestylers are posting on Facebook it seems. Youtube was the big challenge at first, but now it seems to be Facebook.
The forum is still doing OK and has its purpose so we'll keep riding this mofo until the wheels fall off! :grin:
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
True that.
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Hey guys,
I thought I'd contribute to this topic, I doubt many of you guys really know who I am as I don't think many of the old school freestylers are still on this forum or even freestyle much these days. Anyway I used to freestyle and be on this forum back in the days of Lindroth, Legend, Palle, Mitchy, John Clarke, Matte Linder, Frejd etc etc. YouTube didn't exist back then, or was still in its infancy, so to come to a forum was the main way to watch a new video. You had to download the videos to watch them, so I've got on my old computer thousands of videos from back in the dark ages haha.
Overall I'd say forums become less relevant to freestylers over time. I wouldn't say the sport is dead. Many of us guys who were on the first soccergrip were around when the hardcore boom started and crazy ass combos kicked in. That was when the sport for me was new, fresh and exciting. I remember jumping on the forum every day excited to see new videos as there was no youtube to simply search, I'd always look forward to coming and seeing Lindroth posting a video every day showing something ridiculous that he'd done that day. Back then, the scene was so small compared to now where there are thousands of freestylers that everyone knew everyone and Palle seemed like a GOD of freestyle.
A lot of freestylers, lose interest in freestyle football as they get older, I for one certainly did. As soon as I hit 18/19, freestyle wasn't a priority for me anymore. I didn't really care about checking videos anymore or learning new tricks. Other things take priority, I'm sure you can all work these out, don't need to spell it out. I'd also say that a lot of freestylers as they grow up, don't lose interest in freestyle, they lose interest in the forums, as they don't feel like they have a place there anymore. I remember when I created the NAS forum back in the day, I lost interest in that because the vast majority of the guys on there were so young, you'd get a lot of shit topics and a lot of shit posts being posted every day. I don't know what it's like on this forum now, but that is what happened on the NAS forum.
From a personal perspective I can tell you, freestyle is not dead. I run my own agency and this is definitely not proving freestyle is dead. Freestyle has definitely moved on from the days I used to freestyle, it's more commercial and is no longer something nobody knows about. I think the focus for many guys nowadays is to make money out of their talents. This is why you get a lot of crap freestylers undercutting agencies trying to gain work. That's a fact.
I'd also say that due to the sport expanding and everyone seems to be doing ridiculous things, people won't post videos of them doing a tatw nt atatw anymore because they won't get any recognition. It's harder for freestylers to stand out from the crowd now and to show how good they are due to the vast majority of freestylers in the sport. I just think it's a fact that is hard to face that once people get to a certain age, freestyle forums become a minor part in their life. To keep growing as a forum, you'll have to attract the younger generations and then the forum will gain more members and more posts, but will also get a lot of stupid crap being posted.
Anyway, I'd write more but that'll do for now.
Peace
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Amazing post Jimmy, you summed it up and explained it very well! :sign0098:
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the fact that jimmy said "tatw nt atatw" just proves to u bitches how oldskool he really is!!
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Haha, thanks guys!!
I'd also like to say that in a way I do miss the freestyle scene and what it's done for me! I met so many cool people when I was doing freestyle, it's opened up a lot of doors for me...now I do a lot of commercials and sports modelling...but I'd definitely not have got into either of these without freestyle. I remember organising the first UK meet with Benbow on this forum back in 2006? This was probably the first BIG meet in freestyle, without this forum, I'd of not met a lot of people I have high regard for today.
I'd go as far as saying with freestyle these days, people need to remember why they really do it, because come on, when you pull something incredible off, it's pretty fucking cool. I was most happy freestyling when I was having fun with my mates, not performing and earning money, sometimes I think people forget that.
Looking back, I wish I'd of started freestyling when I was a lot younger, kids/teenagers have so much freetime, but to put it simply, there was nowhere to go and nobody knew about the sport. Soccergrip/Beyond Football, has provided a home for freestyle for a very long time, Adi has spent so much of his time dedicated to this site and for me....this will always be where Freestyle Football for me as we know it was BORN!
Later
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Well said Jimmy!
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Well said Jimmy!
agree, amlost brought tears. no joke :039:
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
True that.
competitons yes, battles no! we are no fucking dancers. battles would only motivate a very small amout of freestylers but not the majority. freestylers who really care about skill and hard trainings, which true competitions are about, would just ignore battle competitions.
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
True that.
competitons yes, battles no! we are no fucking dancers. battles would only motivate a very small amout of freestylers but not the majority. freestylers who really care about skill and hard trainings, which true competitions are about, would just ignore battle competitions.
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Then why's everyone competing at RBSS, Prague, Pyrzyce, WFS, etc.?
Mind you, most freestylers (especially guys that focus on lowers) have better chances in battles, or actually "battles" (because there's no real battle aspect at our competitions) than in LP like competitions (which we could clearly see at MOTG, along with Eurobac before).
So I'm curious what kind of competition format would you prefer?
And how will doing battles make us dancers? That comment was stupid and prejudice at the same time...
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
True that.
competitons yes, battles no! we are no fucking dancers. battles would only motivate a very small amout of freestylers but not the majority. freestylers who really care about skill and hard trainings, which true competitions are about, would just ignore battle competitions.
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Then why's everyone competing at RBSS, Prague, Pyrzyce, WFS, etc.?
Mind you, most freestylers (especially guys that focus on lowers) have better chances in battles, or actually "battles" (because there's no real battle aspect at our competitions) than in LP like competitions (which we could clearly see at MOTG, along with Eurobac before).
So I'm curious what kind of competition format would you prefer?
And how will doing battles make us dancers? That comment was stupid and prejudice at the same time...
yes there are many freestylers competiting at rbss but it doesnt really give em motivation because they know that the judges are stupid and dont know anything about freestyle at least thats the case in germany.
and yeah battles are the best way of a competition but not battles like bboys have. imo a competition should be about who is the best so the thing to judge about is skill. the comparison to breakdance is just stupid.
And i'm not someone who fucuses on lower, i just want that hand tricks and dance stuff is forbidden, or at least not overrated in competitions.
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Then it's just 2 guys doing tricks vs each other, not a battle. And you're completely missing the point of battling, it has nothing to do with dancing whatsoever.
There was a discussion about battles, battling and the battle mentality right after RBSS WF and some of the good "battlers" that were mentioned are the ones who have very little or nothing at all with dancing or bboying.
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battles are good for freestyle. not for every freestyler.
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what freestyle need is much more competitions & battles...if u take a look at the b-boy scene, there are battles every month...this is what motivates them.
True that.
competitons yes, battles no! we are no fucking dancers. battles would only motivate a very small amout of freestylers but not the majority. freestylers who really care about skill and hard trainings, which true competitions are about, would just ignore battle competitions.
:043:
Then why's everyone competing at RBSS, Prague, Pyrzyce, WFS, etc.?
Mind you, most freestylers (especially guys that focus on lowers) have better chances in battles, or actually "battles" (because there's no real battle aspect at our competitions) than in LP like competitions (which we could clearly see at MOTG, along with Eurobac before).
So I'm curious what kind of competition format would you prefer?
And how will doing battles make us dancers? That comment was stupid and prejudice at the same time...
yes there are many freestylers competiting at rbss but it doesnt really give em motivation because they know that the judges are stupid and dont know anything about freestyle at least thats the case in germany.
and yeah battles are the best way of a competition but not battles like bboys have. imo a competition should be about who is the best so the thing to judge about is skill. the comparison to breakdance is just stupid.
And i'm not someone who fucuses on lower, i just want that hand tricks and dance stuff is forbidden, or at least not overrated in competitions.
So you think the breakdance battles is not about the one that is the best? So whats it about? The one that is worst? Come on
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Great point Tom, thanks for pointing that out. :great:
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No motivation = no freestyle
= Olly does not freestyle :039:
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battles are exactly what we need... come on guys! I have the feeling that the last two RBSS events in germany were more a 3min performance than an actual battle... which is, to be honest, kinda lame! Everyone did handstand catches etc. and didn't give responses e.g. like in breakdance battles to a lower combo or a sitting combo trying to "destroy" the other guy with his skills in each part of freestyle (sitting, uppers etc.). Just watch RB BC One! They don't try to entertain the crowd but to be better than their "opponent" and this "sort of" battle is in my opinion much more entertaining to the crowd than a 3min performance of two freestylers. Red Bull also calls it a battle between two freestylers... if we want to make a performance, then we can go busking lol
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Totally agree with you!
battles are exactly what we need... come on guys! I have the feeling that the last two RBSS events in germany were more a 3min performance than an actual battle... which is, to be honest, kinda lame! Everyone did handstand catches etc. and didn't give responses e.g. like in breakdance battles to a lower combo or a sitting combo trying to "destroy" the other guy with his skills in each part of freestyle (sitting, uppers etc.). Just watch RB BC One! They don't try to entertain the crowd but to be better than their "opponent" and this "sort of" battle is in my opinion much more entertaining to the crowd than a 3min performance of two freestylers. Red Bull also calls it a battle between two freestylers... if we want to make a performance, then we can go busking lol
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Looking back, I wish I'd of started freestyling when I was a lot younger, kids/teenagers have so much freetime, but to put it simply, there was nowhere to go and nobody knew about the sport. Soccergrip/Beyond Football, has provided a home for freestyle for a very long time, Adi has spent so much of his time dedicated to this site and for me....this will always be where Freestyle Football for me as we know it was BORN!
Cheers mate! :great:
I remember when I created the NAS forum back in the day, I lost interest in that because the vast majority of the guys on there were so young, you'd get a lot of shit topics and a lot of shit posts being posted every day. I don't know what it's like on this forum now, but that is what happened on the NAS forum.
It seems we don't have as many young posters around here. I agree with you on needing to bring on more young freestylers to keep growing the community, but like you said, it's a fine line of keeping the post quality high and growing the community at the same time. Our posts aren't as great as the used to be but we have a lot less crap on here. It's more about quality it seems now.