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Title: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: manutd. on Mar 30, 2008, 10:32: AM
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I think Liverpool can pull this one away.

1-1 at the Emirates, but 2-1 at Anfield..
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Mar 30, 2008, 10:55: AM
Arsenal should be able to take care of this fixture. Away earlier this season they tied 1-1 in an opportunity filled game. They just got back thier title hopes, and i'm sure they aren't ready to conceed thier CL hopes. Liverpool on the other hand is in the same boat, but instead of title hopes it is 4th place hopes. They are also not ready to conceed thier CL hopes.

2-0 at the Emirates
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Mar 30, 2008, 11:23: AM
I say Arsenal 2-1 at Emirates, but then Arsenal will get destroyed 4-1 at Anfield because Liverpool  can really get their game faces on when the pressures on and everything is at stake.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Miran Pirner on Mar 30, 2008, 11:25: AM
I want Arsenal to go through, but Liverpool is good in knockout games... Potentially a great game.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Jatt on Mar 30, 2008, 11:43: AM
LIVERPOOL IS GOING TO WIN!! guarantee 100%
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Mar 30, 2008, 11:56: AM
I want Arsenal to go through, but Liverpool is good in knockout games... Potentially a great game.
precisely...thats why I think liverpool will dominate the second game
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: JohanRempe on Mar 30, 2008, 04:40: PM
Hard decision, but I gotta say that Liverpool will take it. More routine !
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Mar 30, 2008, 08:42: PM
this should be a very interesting match, arsenal 3 liverpool 2 on aggreget
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Tito on Mar 31, 2008, 05:06: PM
Gunner are a little tired from the Bolton game so i'll say draw 0 - 0 but win for Gunner in the second leg
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Mar 31, 2008, 08:35: PM
i'll take a scoring draw and take em back to anfield
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Apr 02, 2008, 08:01: AM
1-1 Final. Adebayor, Clichey own goal

I don't see how that ref didn't call the pull on Hleb in the box. And I don't see why Bendtner didn't get the fuck out of the way!

Fabregas had another legendary game; what a way to control the midfield.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: manutd. on Apr 02, 2008, 09:53: AM
Awesome, this is so interesting..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Apr 02, 2008, 10:35: AM
gonna be a good series  :cheers:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Tito on Apr 02, 2008, 12:44: PM
my prediction were close (hope no one notices that i changed my Barca game prediction after the game lol)
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Apr 02, 2008, 12:52: PM
my prediction were close (hope no one notices that i changed my Barca game prediction after the game lol)
nobody will notice now tito you're in the clear
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Tito on Apr 02, 2008, 12:53: PM
hahaha my plan is working lol
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: TheGodEmperor on Apr 02, 2008, 12:54: PM
you've got me fooled
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 02, 2008, 02:53: PM
what a header by adebayor. thats what legends are made of.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Apr 03, 2008, 12:09: AM
He had a hangtime of about 5 seconds
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 03, 2008, 12:52: AM
i know every one thought it was two high for a header and suddenly a tall tree comes out
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 03, 2008, 11:00: PM
i know every one thought it was two high for a header and suddenly a tall tree comes out

Or Rafa's zonal marking system didn't work  :dontknow:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Apr 04, 2008, 12:22: AM
This is interesting:

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7987726/Penalty-bias-talk-stinks,-thinks-Vink

Seriously, who wouldn't have helped out a friend in that situation? Liverpool is lucky that Kuyt and the ref are friends. That was such an obvious penalty.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 04, 2008, 03:25: AM
yeah the ref lived like 5 miles from where kuyt was born in holland is what they were saying
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 04, 2008, 09:37: PM
i think that is cheating
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: 19mossi on Apr 05, 2008, 05:59: AM
arsenal needs to win by a gol and i thinks liverpool will be deffender
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: manutd. on Apr 06, 2008, 05:29: AM
Wow, this is like a series.. they've played eachother twice in like less than a week, both draws.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Adi on Apr 06, 2008, 12:04: PM
I didn't get to see much of the game. Saw bits of the first half and thought Arsenal played better. Liverpool did very well to get that away goal however.

I'm predicting Liverpool will win this one in the end. I'll make sure to watch the next leg.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 08, 2008, 05:28: AM
come on the pool!!!!!!!
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Apr 08, 2008, 07:49: AM
Liverpool with thier stupid lucky penalty call. Where was the call in the first leg refs? Mother fuck. I hate Liverpool. And now another boring ass Liverpool vs Chelsea semi final. You know, fuck that. Arsenal had it in the bag and then the ref just decided to fuck them over. That was such a questionable PK call. Ugh. Fuck Liverpool, what luck, sheer luck they had from the refs.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Gunnerjoe on Apr 08, 2008, 02:54: PM
Oh gee what to say.....the better team most definately did not win.......dominated at their own home....shame flamini got injured with him still on the pitch there woulda been no chance of liverpool gettin this leg....hyppias goal outta nowhere....wow for walcotts run but that was amazing.
But it just goes to show how differently arsenal and liverpool are treated by refs.....obvious pen no call...dubias pen and they get it.....thats wat lost us the leg in the end....but hey well be bak all i can say now Is comeon chelsea!!!!
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Ahmed on Apr 08, 2008, 03:07: PM
one word for arsenal "owned"
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 08, 2008, 05:07: PM
I'll have to agree with those angry gooners the ref did screw Arsenal over, the better team didn't go throgh. On the other hand I want all the greasy gooners to feel what I've felt for the past 3 years, kop that.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 08, 2008, 07:37: PM
god damn liverpool

in the first 20 minutes i was about to leave inter and totally go to arsenal. what amazing football.

as melbourne said the better team did not go throught. babels foul was not a penelty. he was tripped outside the box and was falling down when he came inside the box.

i said it before and i'll say it again. arsenal is the only english team that plays true football. maybe becuase they didn't have an english player on the field  :nopity:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: cigar omar on Apr 08, 2008, 10:06: PM
Even tho Wallcot is pretty much nothing but pure speed I loved the way he really took it to Liverpool made them all look like fools starting from the attack all the way to the last defender and calmly set up Adebayor. lol @ everyone discussing Arsenal after Liverpool when through poor fellas.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 09, 2008, 12:03: AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

You all sound like wenger a big sore loser, he is like a kid always has something to mone about, face it the result speaks for itself, performances don't always win you games.

The luck seems to always be with us in the CL

Bring on part 3   :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: M4R10 on Apr 09, 2008, 05:11: AM
that was not penalty  :cursing:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: VG on Apr 09, 2008, 06:35: AM
I knew Liverpool were gonna win and now its an easy game for us against chelsea who aren't really all that great at scoring goals imo.  ALso we'll just win with one of our special chelsea "goals" that the referees seem begging to give us  :thumbsup: :cheers: :3some:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: 2zef^^ on Apr 09, 2008, 06:37: AM
i love arsenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i didnt want to lose  :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
liverpool and gerrard suck
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 09, 2008, 07:14: AM
i love arsenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i didnt want to lose  :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
liverpool and gerrard suck

i love liverpool!!!!!!!
Glad we won  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Arsenal and fabregas suck
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: 2zef^^ on Apr 09, 2008, 07:17: AM
i love arsenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i didnt want to lose  :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
liverpool and gerrard suck

i love liverpool!!!!!!!
Glad we won  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Arsenal and fabregas suck
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
torres suckssssssssss :cursing:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: manutd. on Apr 09, 2008, 08:25: AM
Walcott's run was amazing, but the penalty ruined it, which sucks.

Liverpool will probably beat Chelsea, they look strong.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 09, 2008, 04:26: PM
i demand UEFA change this and make arsenal go through  :down:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Adi on Apr 10, 2008, 09:13: AM
I really don't understand some of you on here. It seems you all have NO football knowledge at times.

Wake the fuck up and realize that Liverpool dominated that game except for the first 20 minutes. Arsenal looked like they were shitting themselves out there. Liverpool closed down every single Arsenal player and controlled that damn game.

Arsenal got taken out of their game and Wenger got ass-raped tactically by Benitez. Liverpool used Kuyt very high on the right side, while also using Torres and Crouch at the same time. If you are Wenger, you have to push your wingers out wide to take advantage of the space between Kuyt and Liverpool's right back. The same goes for the other side.

Wenger didn't do anything to adapt until he put Walcott out on the pitch. That's too late!

Liverpool played with much more heart and deserved to win that second leg.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Urban_freestyler on Apr 10, 2008, 09:58: AM
I really don't understand some of you on here. It seems you all have NO football knowledge at times.

Wake the fuck up and realize that Liverpool dominated that game except for the first 20 minutes. Arsenal looked like they were shitting themselves out there. Liverpool closed down every single Arsenal player and controlled that damn game.

Arsenal got taken out of their game and Wenger got ass-raped tactically by Benitez. Liverpool used Kuyt very high on the right side, while also using Torres and Crouch at the same time. If you are Wenger, you have to push your wingers out wide to take advantage of the space between Kuyt and Liverpool's right back. The same goes for the other side.

Wenger didn't do anything to adapt until he put Walcott out on the pitch. That's too late!

Liverpool played with much more heart and deserved to win that second leg.

finally someone with some common sense, arsenal just can't handle a physical game, thats why benitez played crouch up top. look at why arsenal always find games against Bolton hard.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: ^_^ on Apr 10, 2008, 12:37: PM
Wake the fuck up? Liverpool wouldn't have won had it been for the refing in the two legs. Ok, so one shitty call isn't even enough; we have to have the ref in the second leg make another rediculous call in the box. It isn't Wenger's fault that Kuyt used to suck the refs dick back in Holland. This was the most obvious penalty kick in the world, and Liverpool won because of this and the dive of Babel.

Adi, why are you watching the Champions League anyway? Stick to the UEFA Cup :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Gunnerjoe on Apr 10, 2008, 05:06: PM
haha great call ELITE........tactical genious benitez???? hes fuckin stupid he has no idea....he runs off luck.....this was his tactic especially in the first leg.....hopefully luck helps us stop arsenals 50 chances and hopefully luck helps us score our one chance......hes all luck!
and in the prem u need more than luck to get to the top thats why he sux.....dont ever even compare arsene to rafa there in different leagues......
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Adi on Apr 11, 2008, 02:08: PM
Wake the fuck up? Liverpool wouldn't have won had it been for the refing in the two legs. Ok, so one shitty call isn't even enough; we have to have the ref in the second leg make another rediculous call in the box. It isn't Wenger's fault that Kuyt used to suck the refs dick back in Holland. This was the most obvious penalty kick in the world, and Liverpool won because of this and the dive of Babel.

So you are blaming the referee for the loss.  :nopity:

I don't think you can clearly say Babel wasn't fouled. He was going at full speed and the defenders got in his way and threw him off balance. The call could have gone either way.

Arsenal did nothing in the second leg to try and win the game. They looked half dead throughout the night, and Fabregas looked more like a ballerina out there than a playmaker. Thank God Babel smoked him right at the end.

All I'm going to say is that Liverpool played better than Arsenal in that second game. That was my whole arguement. They deserved to win the match and they rightfully did so. When you play so well, things then to go your way.

Adi, why are you watching the Champions League anyway? Stick to the UEFA Cup :thumbsup:

 :boxing:

Nice one. We did have a hell of a game though. Maybe you should watch the re-play of Bayern vs Getafe. It was one of those games that only happen every 10 years or so.



Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Adi on Apr 11, 2008, 02:17: PM
haha great call ELITE........tactical genious benitez???? hes fuckin stupid he has no idea....he runs off luck.....this was his tactic especially in the first leg.....hopefully luck helps us stop arsenals 50 chances and hopefully luck helps us score our one chance......hes all luck!
and in the prem u need more than luck to get to the top thats why he sux.....dont ever even compare arsene to rafa there in different leagues......

 :stupid:

Let me teach you a little bit about the game little Joe.

The Champions League is a game of tactics. There are only two legs and the manager with the better tactics wins. If you don't believe me, just look at the past winners. There is a reason why Liverpool, Milan, and Bayern have won so many cups. They don't necessarily have the better team, they simply outsmart their opposition with their manager playing as the 12th man.

I don't know how you can say Benitez is lucky when he's won two Champions League titles before this. His team was never the best in the competition, but he lets his tactics make up for that. After all, he is known as the tactical magician by so many.

As far as the Premiership is concerned, that's a whole new case. Certain teams and managers are more adapt to a cup competition while others perform better in a full league season. Inter Milan is a great example of this. Benitez is a pure tactician and does the right things when it comes to beating teams over a span of two games.

Finally ust because Arsenal plays that "beautiful" type of soccer doesn't mean it's any more effective than the football Liverpool or Juventus play. When Arsenal was at their best, their undefeated season and the few years after, they didn't do a thing in the Champions League. They couldn't even make it out of the first knock-out round to be exact. This just shows that the Champions League is not the same as the league and the way teams and managers approach it.

 :hello:
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 11, 2008, 02:42: PM
tactics are kind of right. but some times foolish managers like mancini make foolish mistakes

Adi most tactics are the same either defend away and try to score at home. in that way inter was defeated. they defended away and conceded two. when they were at home they did not play the right tactic and should of have put on crespo to be a finisher

or play hard and try to get an away goal and sit on the advantage at home.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Adi on Apr 11, 2008, 02:50: PM
I think Inter simply got outplayed by Liverpool. Even before the red cards, they were getting outplayed. Inter just doesn't stack up well in the Champions League. They look good on paper, but they don't play well. Too many defensive minded midfielders who can't break down other teams. I remember watching them against Bayern over two legs last year and they were shit. And this was against a Bayern side that had to start Ottl, Lell, Schweinsteiger, and Pizzaro/Santa Cruz.
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: moby on Apr 11, 2008, 03:09: PM
yeah but mancini was stupid. in the second leg he played ibrahimovic and cruz he should of played ibrahimovic who is good at setting up and a cherrypicking stricker like crespo and suazo
Title: Re: CL: Arsenal v Liverpool [P] + [R]
Post by: Gunnerjoe on Apr 12, 2008, 02:20: PM
haha great call ELITE........tactical genious benitez???? hes fuckin stupid he has no idea....he runs off luck.....this was his tactic especially in the first leg.....hopefully luck helps us stop arsenals 50 chances and hopefully luck helps us score our one chance......hes all luck!
and in the prem u need more than luck to get to the top thats why he sux.....dont ever even compare arsene to rafa there in different leagues......

 :stupid:

Let me teach you a little bit about the game little Joe.

The Champions League is a game of tactics. There are only two legs and the manager with the better tactics wins. If you don't believe me, just look at the past winners. There is a reason why Liverpool, Milan, and Bayern have won so many cups. They don't necessarily have the better team, they simply outsmart their opposition with their manager playing as the 12th man.

I don't know how you can say Benitez is lucky when he's won two Champions League titles before this. His team was never the best in the competition, but he lets his tactics make up for that. After all, he is known as the tactical magician by so many.

As far as the Premiership is concerned, that's a whole new case. Certain teams and managers are more adapt to a cup competition while others perform better in a full league season. Inter Milan is a great example of this. Benitez is a pure tactician and does the right things when it comes to beating teams over a span of two games.

Finally ust because Arsenal plays that "beautiful" type of soccer doesn't mean it's any more effective than the football Liverpool or Juventus play. When Arsenal was at their best, their undefeated season and the few years after, they didn't do a thing in the Champions League. They couldn't even make it out of the first knock-out round to be exact. This just shows that the Champions League is not the same as the league and the way teams and managers approach it.

 :hello:
Hmm yes i can see wat ure talking about adi and yes i know theres tactics and yes u do make ur point well.....but arsenal had soo many chances to win it they just missed alot...story of our champions league history...but benitez did not use tactics to allow for arsenals missing of chances and on a better or lucky day wen we had our finishing boots on we coulda scored 3 or 4 in the first leg and in the second leg the same story....and in the end really the 2 major decisions were the penalties and then if u reverse them calls arsenal got the pen and liverpool didnt then arsenal would be going through.......so then who is the better tactition? i dont think tactcis decided this leg! my opinion....and i respect urs  :thumbsup: