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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Videos => Topic started by: SkalleN on Oct 20, 2010, 12:30: AM
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Sthlm Battle Camp - Holmberg vs. Philip Warren Gertsson SEMIFINAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnVMALyxrC8#)
who is the winner for you?
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Bratte was a bit better I think, however holmberg did well too...
But please stop give appluadse to that stupid trick eclipse, its like a crossover ffs, saves energy and only makes the combo easier.
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But please stop give appluadse to that stupid trick eclipse, its like a crossover ffs, saves energy and only makes the combo easier.
Although I definitely agree the Eclipse is an overrated trick, saying that it's like a crossover is ridiculous, no offense.
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But please stop give appluadse to that stupid trick eclipse, its like a crossover ffs, saves energy and only makes the combo easier.
Although I definitely agree the Eclipse is an overrated trick, saying that it's like a crossover is ridiculous, no offense.
yes ofc but you know when you can do eclipse it will be aobut as hard as a crossover,, you need no power, and it saves so much energy,.. its different from when you do a no touch, even if you know it very good it takes a lot alot energy.... and the ppl(especially noobies) claps more on a eclipse in a combo than a no touch.... thats ridiculous
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the eclipse is an over used trick I never been interested in learning it myself. On topic good battle, pwg is solid as always and holmbergs crab ass combo was stunning! :wtf:
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But please stop give appluadse to that stupid trick eclipse, its like a crossover ffs, saves energy and only makes the combo easier.
Although I definitely agree the Eclipse is an overrated trick, saying that it's like a crossover is ridiculous, no offense.
yes ofc but you know when you can do eclipse it will be aobut as hard as a crossover,, you need no power, and it saves so much energy,.. its different from when you do a no touch, even if you know it very good it takes a lot alot energy.... and the ppl(especially noobies) claps more on a eclipse in a combo than a no touch.... thats ridiculous
Yes, I agree it's ridiculous, but at the same time, I find it also ridiculous that after all this time you've been on the freestyle scene, you're still surprised when people who know nothing or very little about freestyle itself and the difficulty of the tricks, are impressed by more attractive tricks like the Eclipse or some acrobatic move than a more technically demanding move.
BTW, just out of curiosity: can you do a proper Eclipse?
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No im not suprised Miran.. where did you get that from ?
no never intrested in learning a flashy version of a crossover ; )
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Thought so... no wonder you're comparing it to a crossover then. You probably wouldn't be if you took some time to learn it. You can't make comparisons of tricks you're not able to perform and therefor don't have a objective opinion on its difficulty.
BTW, about you being surprised, I got it from your replies/reaction. If you're not surprised and understand this, why make a fuss about it?
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Go Gustav!
I love Holmbergs NT combo, it's damn beautiful!
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Go Gustav!
I love Holmbergs NT combo, it's damn beautiful!
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its not a comparision in the way you think miran, its just like it saves energy just the way a crossover does, and ive seen freestylers that cant do the most easy stuff in lower do that trick, ive got the impression that it is very easy
I will try it just for you Miran,
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I understand in which fashion you meant it, but trust me, the difficulty is not the same as a crossover. Also, depends from which foot and which you way kick it when you do it in a combo.
I've seen people who can do really high level lowers, but couldn't do heel cross or the simplest of uppers/sits, so it's all down to what you practice and focus on. ;)
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difficult or not, beautiful or not... Dear God please have mercy and let people do whatever they wan't to! All this nonsense about what people think and what they don't. If the majority thinks that an eclipse is awe then leave them be god darn it...
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Mackes crabass was the highlight of the battle imo.
But yeah, I hate when people hate on eclipse, it took me some time to learn it, and it is indeed hard to learn, and the thing about it being similar to a crossover, is just bullshit, if you ever tried to practice to do 3-4 eclipses in a row, you will realise a fair bit of difference.
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gustav is wrong i think. eclipse takes energy. and yea it cant be done easily many times in a row like crossover
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difficult or not, beautiful or not... Dear God please have mercy and let people do whatever they wan't to! All this nonsense about what people think and what they don't. If the majority thinks that an eclipse is awe then leave them be god darn it...
When did he say "stop doing eclipse"? Although i can't do it myself I find it hard to understand why people scream like Johan Palm-fans when someone lands eclipse in a battle, not saying it's easy but I do have the balls to say it's overrated.
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Gustav only has this opinion because PWG is a master of eclipses and for him its so easy that its like a "normal" freestyler doing a crossover (still not that easy obviously)
however, i dont think Eclipse is an overrated trick, it took me a month to learn properly which is a very long time considering i trained it every day for that month.. its very complex movement unlike any other move in freestyle football so Gustav go learn it before you diss it, Oli Cherek had the exact same attitude towards it...
For me myself its just as hard to put an eclipse in a combo as a amatw amatw nt, in my own freestyle ability i would consider them equal.. another thing is its hard to make it come up in a good position to continue the combo..
anyway eclipse rant over, good battle and Holmberg has one of my fav styles definetaly!
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Well I just dont see how a trick that takes 15 minutes to get is harder than one that takes many months
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i just said it took me one month to learn.. try to learn it in 15 minutes and come back to me :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
its a difficult trick.
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yes one months to learn, amatw amatw nt probably take 6 - 8 months
I also said ''to get'' and by that I meant to land it..... it took patrick edwards 15 minutes to get in amsterdam meet ive heard,, can he even be close to amatw amatw nt ?
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eclipse is a boring, overrated trick. even if it is hard, it doesnt look good in air combos. i agree with gustav, even if it is much harder than a crossover, it has the same effect in a combo. it destroys the flow and gives the freestyler a quick break.
leave eclipse to Vasek.
back on topic, Holmbergs crabbass thing looks fucking amaaaazing
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amatw amatw nt is overrated and boring, leave it to skora ;)
i dont see any reason to hate on eclipse, for itself it looks very smooth and can make a combo look more interesting with more variation. at least you should really master a trick to judge finally about its difficulty. and eclipse is a trick which is maybe easy to get (i dont know) but is a trick which looks better the better you can do it, like the abdullah trick which is very easy to get (i know), but nobody can make it look like abdullah.
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yes one months to learn, amatw amatw nt probably take 6 - 8 months
I also said ''to get'' and by that I meant to land it..... it took patrick edwards 15 minutes to get in amsterdam meet ive heard,, can he even be close to amatw amatw nt ?
he obviously was training it before hand
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yes one months to learn, amatw amatw nt probably take 6 - 8 months
I also said ''to get'' and by that I meant to land it..... it took patrick edwards 15 minutes to get in amsterdam meet ive heard,, can he even be close to amatw amatw nt ?
he obviously was training it before hand
I seriously don't want to sound big headed or undermine the effort you put into getting eclipse but I hadn't really practiced it before Amsterdam, however, Christiaan was helping me with it and every time I tried it he would give me feedback which was a huge help and I think it would have been a lot different if he hadn't been there.
I don't think it's underrated though, the timing is soooo precise on it and comparing it to a crossover is stupid and when I try it, I'm very inconsistent with it, so well done to both for getting it in performance
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gustav is wrong i think. eclipse takes energy. and yea it cant be done easily many times in a row like crossover
crossover 360 is also an easy trick but is hard to do multiple times :rolleyes:
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gustav is wrong i think. eclipse takes energy. and yea it cant be done easily many times in a row like crossover
crossover 360 is also an easy trick but is hard to do multiple times :rolleyes:
but he didnt compare it to co 360
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gustav is wrong i think. eclipse takes energy. and yea it cant be done easily many times in a row like crossover
crossover 360 is also an easy trick but is hard to do multiple times :rolleyes:
but he didnt compare it to co 360
and you didnt understand his point
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gustav is wrong i think. eclipse takes energy. and yea it cant be done easily many times in a row like crossover
crossover 360 is also an easy trick but is hard to do multiple times :rolleyes:
but he didnt compare it to co 360
and you didnt understand his point
And im hungry, fair enough, im out for a hamburger!
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imo eclipse is one of the most fluent and stylish tricks and if you aren't able
to land it you shouldn't bother with calling it overrated or easy.
when I watched that eclipse in the vid from bratte and sven in slowmotion
it was like the biggest motivation for me to learn that move cause it looked so nice...
and though I manage to land it i'm still not satisfied cause it will take several months til
it might look nearly as fluent and smooth as brattes eclipse does..comparing it to crossover
is just ridiculous
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holmberg was way better and deserv this battle i dont like at all bratts rutine and the final the same thing linde diserve it more and was better in all the rutines
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holmberg was way better and deserv this battle i dont like at all bratts rutine and the final the same thing linde diserve it more and was better in all the rutines
thanks for the opinion but this thread is too old to post in.