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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Videos => Topic started by: iwontpostanymore on Aug 13, 2009, 03:48: AM
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i know he is a legend and i appriciate everything he has done for freestyle ....but sorry to say ...you can tell he hasnt trained in years and became a very average freestyler ...if not less
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Same old same old..
His freestyle is really limited, never comes out with any new tricks anymore.
But I still like it!
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I thought it was really good. I definitely liked it!
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i wouldnt say he hasnt trained for years, his lps have always had nearly the same difficulty level as far as i can remember. and "homeless cup", now thats a weird name for a competition
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Same old same old..
His freestyle is really limited, never comes out with any new tricks anymore.
agree!
but still i liked this lp
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are you guys kidding me? Daniel, i dont agree with you, that was a really good LP.... I dont see how you could call him below average, he did like 10 atws finishing with latw, cool tb-atatw and a few other really cool things like tatsulow head thingee... there was only one drop, and it was quite entertaining, with nice 2-ball tricks too... Not many people from this forum could do a better LP i think...
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i wouldnt say he hasnt trained for years, his lps have always had nearly the same difficulty level as far as i can remember. and "homeless cup", now thats a weird name for a competition
Hahaha its new it was earlier in USA. Its for all those homeless guys that wanna show how good they are ;) They have time to learn some skills !
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Legend :thumbsup:
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i liked it a lot aswell, very smooth :thumbsup:
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like it much more than any performace of palle for example
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I also think it was very good =), gure he has done the same thing most of is careen,
he had a good flow through the whole routine, and the routine was well planned :)
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i know he is a legend and i appriciate everything he has done for freestyle ....but sorry to say ...you can tell he hasnt trained in years and became a very average freestyler ...if not less
After I read this I figured you would be right and he wouldn't be doing anything above the basic level and nothing that entertaining, but besides that one drop, everything looked smooth and entertaining to me. I thought the level of the tricks he was doing was fairly high for an lp like that.
I really liked it
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tht was a smooth LP.
btw anybody notices tht sits ball catch abdullah variation he does, only saw him doin it .. looks pretty cool !
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that was a really good lp
i didnt expect him to be that good after 'not training for years'
still a great fs performer imo
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i know he is a legend and i appriciate everything he has done for freestyle ....but sorry to say ...you can tell he hasnt trained in years and became a very average freestyler ...if not less
After I read this I figured you would be right and he wouldn't be doing anything above the basic level and nothing that entertaining, but besides that one drop, everything looked smooth and entertaining to me. I thought the level of the tricks he was doing was fairly high for an lp like that.
I really liked it
yeah this lp was good, but there is also a reason for only seeing the good performances, ssd deletes performances of him with many drops, i've got footage and seen it a couple of times, why u think u wont find anything of touzani motg 2003, well i can tell
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WTF!
That was an amazingly stylish LP, smooth the way crowds like it.
Average tempo i agree, but very niceeeee!
Better than most people's LP's on this frickin forum anyways.
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
you're such a wise man :saywhat:
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
you're such a wise man :saywhat:
*bows*
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
he doesnt have any hardcore moves, he used them all in this LP... atatw latw and tb heel 360, thats as hardcore as it gets for him
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dan your sig is brilliant :D
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
he doesnt have any hardcore moves, he used them all in this LP... atatw latw and tb heel 360, thats as hardcore as it gets for him
I bet hes got more moves in his locker. Its an LP, he obviously had some routine that he thought would be good enough to entertain the crowd, and from that performance i think he did his job.
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Yes and Touzani is very consistant you dont see him having many drops when doing his selection of hardcore tricks.
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In some extent I kinda agree with Daniel R., because this routine is like...2 or 3 years old. He surely didn't do any new trick.
But, the way he does those tricks above scares me. He's definitely become even smoother with his routine, and connect the tricks more perfectly than in the past.
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To be honest, you have to remember. Its a LIVE PERFORMANCE. He isnt going to pull out all those hardcore tricks because its not what the public would want to see? Hes going to do the tricks that will entertain a crowd. Ive seen alot of people on this forum slagging pro freestylers of because they're doing the same tricks over and over in different LPs. The reason they do is because they feel these tricks will entertain the crowd. I bet Touzani could still pull out all the hardcore moves if he wanted to, but he choses not to, because there are many tricks out there to entertain people.
he doesnt have any hardcore moves, he used them all in this LP... atatw latw and tb heel 360, thats as hardcore as it gets for him
I bet hes got more moves in his locker. Its an LP, he obviously had some routine that he thought would be good enough to entertain the crowd, and from that performance i think he did his job.
Totally agree with you man, Its not as if he said himself in an iterview the only time he freestyles is when hes peroming...
OH, wait..
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True Legend!!!
Nice LP... :thumbsup:
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nice performance man..
good LP
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He's just doing his job!!Good lp i liked it :3some:
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Good live performance :)
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I Was there live and it was a good LP but always same stuff :down:
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
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legend
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I love touzani's style! Although the trick are the same but its still very nice :)
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i wouldnt say he hasnt trained for years, his lps have always had nearly the same difficulty level as far as i can remember. and "homeless cup", now thats a weird name for a competition
Hahaha its new it was earlier in USA. Its for all those homeless guys that wanna show how good they are ;) They have time to learn some skills !
touzani is homeless?
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its easy, but its chill, and nice controll. Good lp!
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i thought it was a nice LP
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
Some amazing air combos if done entertainingly with lets say really high style level, good choice of combining the right tricks, and high enough skill in those tricks will be more entertaining than those routine easy tricks that Wingrove does (no i dont hate the tricks he does) as long as their arent drops. And If they dont like the aircombos and prefer those easy tricks instead the people watching are blind. I support Azun's mission 100 percent because i would rather see some sick shit that looks more impossible! its that simple! :cheers:
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
Some amazing air combos if done entertainingly with lets say really high style level, good choice of combining the right tricks, and high enough skill in those tricks will be more entertaining than those routine easy tricks that Wingrove does (no i dont hate the tricks he does) as long as their arent drops. And If they dont like the aircombos and prefer those easy tricks instead the people watching are blind. I support Azun's mission 100 percent because i would rather see some sick shit that looks more impossible! its that simple! :cheers:
Most people who watching us are non freestylers. They aren't blind, just that they don't have the knowledge like most freestyler do. But even if they don't have enough knowledge, we are performing to THEM. Just like in business, we have a saying that "customers are gods", and so in freestyle, "people who watching are gods". Don't make them use their brains to figure out how hard lowers are, they don't like that :cheers:.
Most of the freestylers begin their stuff by seeing Ronaldinho perform, AND THEN search for football freestyle videos. And even then, some of them do leave stupid comments like "Billy Wingrove is better than Palle".
Try to look from others perspectives, and then answer this question: "What looks more impossible to a non freestyler? A TATW - AMATW - AMATW - AMATW nt or a magnetic?".
And by that, I have no disrepect for hardcore freestylers. The thing I want to point out is that although you're hardcore, you still want to perform what the people wanna see aka. entertaining sh!t. And entertaining sh!t and hardcore freestyle are really hard to mix. I do want to see if Azun can do it. I hope he can, but it'll be really hard.
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to settle the argument about showmanship or difficult skills. its neither thats important in an LP. the important thing in an lp is to keep it interesting. if you only do hardcore lowers, it will be very boring to many people. too simple of a performance may also not be entertaining. for me, the secret is showing a little bit of all styles. do some lowers, uppers, sits, and even grounds. this will keep them seeing something new each time. if you do this, you can be a good performer, but even unknowing audiences will than recognize better freestylers when compared. the problem is many of you compare a skora type to billy wingrove. skora will mainly only do lowers, and he might drop. billy's routine will be more varied and enjoyable to most people. however, someone like john farnworth who can do a little bit of everything, will completely get a better reception than either of them. his use of several different high level techniques makes his type the most interesting. thats why JF, JK, and sean are some of the most popular performers in freestyle at the moment.
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i wouldnt say he hasnt trained for years, his lps have always had nearly the same difficulty level as far as i can remember. and "homeless cup", now thats a weird name for a competition
Hahaha its new it was earlier in USA. Its for all those homeless guys that wanna show how good they are ;) They have time to learn some skills !
touzani is homeless?
yeah, he lives in streets of Rotterdam in a box
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q657NHK6jbI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q657NHK6jbI) Also a part of an recent Lp of Touzani.
People say that he doesn't train anymore. What will hapen if he trains? I think he will kick a lot of freestylers ass.
On the streetz, people talking about a comeback movie of touzani that will release in 2010...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q657NHK6jbI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q657NHK6jbI) Also a part of an recent Lp of Touzani.
People say that he doesn't train anymore. What will hapen if he trains? I think he will kick a lot of freestylers ass.
On the streetz, people talking about a comeback movie of touzani that will release in 2010...
Please give this guy a nice ban
Probebly a fat SSD manager trying to get some contacts... get out of here
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining.
I laughed so hard :lol:
you havn't been around a lot of crowds I can tell you that
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
You've seen Ecuabol do a bunch of hardcore combos first try in front of many people, they loved it.
So yes, people will enjoy it very muh, but they'll get bored of it in a minute. The reason they like "entertaining" moves is because most people make them look hard, while it isn't. Freestylers like Ecuabol, Shenker, Skora, FX will make their combos look easy, which is why people think it's easy.
I remember watching Benny perform at the RBSS, he made everything look hard, chasing the ball all the time, he even needed a few tries to get something, people would see him drop the ball, but then they'd see him do it. Barely. BARELY - which is the reason people will think it's harder than a clean PATW.
However, anything Khoa says is the truth, so I can't really argue with the one and only.
Emo (c)
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i think people dont care about hard tricks it depends the way u do it if u have a good style and flow with it or if u just perform like a robot the crowd will fell it u can do a latw with no style and no flow and 2 atws with style and flow the crowd will prefer the atws ,they know thats easier but they just want to see a show, not a training...
as said me séan the most important its not what u do but how u do
wass
Im a freestyler, not a clown.
insted of doing easy shit for them to understand, we should make our tricks so good that it will be entertaining for everyone.
i will work hard to make aircombos entertaining! that is my mission for the future!
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
You've seen Ecuabol do a bunch of hardcore combos first try in front of many people, they loved it.
So yes, people will enjoy it very muh, but they'll get bored of it in a minute. The reason they like "entertaining" moves is because most people make them look hard, while it isn't. Freestylers like Ecuabol, Shenker, Skora, FX will make their combos look easy, which is why people think it's easy.
I remember watching Benny perform at the RBSS, he made everything look hard, chasing the ball all the time, he even needed a few tries to get something, people would see him drop the ball, but then they'd see him do it. Barely. BARELY - which is the reason people will think it's harder than a clean PATW.
However, anything Khoa says is the truth, so I can't really argue with the one and only.
Emo (c)
When did you become Mikael's spokeperson Erick? :biggrin:
And oh my god please I'm not a god, I can be wrong, and i think I'm so wrong this time for sure.
This was when I got caught in too many personal thangs, and my brain kinda got scrambled together.
But still I think that people don't like air combos after watching it for sometime because they don't know how hard they are, and also they think the combos are a little repetitive (as they don't know the difference between AMATWs and HTW - HTW they may assume that it's all ATWs, which is :bs:) but then we're the ones who must perform to them, which sucks even more :shoot:.
But freestyle is still a new sport, and i think in the next several years things can only be better for air combos.
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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.
- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise.
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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.
- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise.
same with ALL tricks
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can someone please train my eyes :down:
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can someone please train my eyes :down:
you are an expert at air combos, your eyes are trained already. I'm talking about the general audience.
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.
- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise.
same with ALL tricks
some do, some don't. Magnetic looks good even after many times.
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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.
- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise.
This talk made me think of an interview with a young popper I saw talking to an experienced professional group of poppers, they said the most important tip to give him was that for a performance to be entertaining it must have as much variaty as possible. And I think the same thing aplies to any type of performance.
Aircombos can impress a lot, actually more than most other stuff from what I've seen, and now I'm talking about non fsers reactions. but the thing is a lot of fsers maybe do them 2 much in lps, for example they start with an atw-htw combo, do some upper, then another atw htw combo, then sits then another airmove combo etc. this way even if the last combo is really hardcore maybe containing a couple of alatws and nts the crowd will not be as entertained cuz it looks so similar to the combos they've seen bfore, but if they only had 1 or 2 aircombos in the lp and pulled off they're best stuff it would probably give a much better reaction then if they had already done an atw htw combo before.
Finally I don't see why any1 has 2 choose between doing hardcore tricks and more entertainment based stuff in an lp, in fact I think the coolest thing even for the crowd would be to do both. its up 2 every1 what they wanna put in a show but this would be my idea of an ultimate performance
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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
vem e d här?
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can someone please train my eyes :down:
you are an expert at air combos, your eyes are trained already. I'm talking about the general audience.
I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.
So much bull its untrue.
Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc
And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.
I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.
Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.
If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.
I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.
People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.
However, All round FTW baby.
I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.
- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise.
same with ALL tricks
some do, some don't. Magnetic looks good even after many times.
now you are talking about 'Looking good'..... If you do magnetics too much on a lp that will becomes boring aswell,,,,, variaty is the key just as Jonnyboy said!
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I think, when it comes to airmoves in a lp. Mostly it goes so fast so people don't really realise what happend or how hard it is and as said before alot of it looks the same.
I think people find it more entertaining if you try to do the airmoves slowly and as relaxed as possible.
The best thing imo is just to have alot of variation, only sitdowns or upper in a lp would get boring after a while as well.
I think it's important not to rush through every move if you want to impress a crowd and do stuff that looks hard but it isn't actually once youve learnt it.
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
well said! :thumbsup:
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!
YEEES:))
freestyle has no future if we keep on doin SILLY street shows and make ourselfs STUPID BALL JUGGLERS
lets make it known as a SPORT
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!
YEEES:))
freestyle has no future if we keep on doin SILLY street shows and make ourselfs STUPID BALL JUGGLERS
lets make it known as a SPORT
Yeah, if it always be show it will never improve, shows will become almost similar to each other, because without freestyle like a sport, people will never understand what the hardcore is, what is harder, what should be respected...
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!
YEEES:))
freestyle has no future if we keep on doin SILLY street shows and make ourselfs STUPID BALL JUGGLERS
lets make it known as a SPORT
Yeah, if it always be show it will never improve, shows will become almost similar to each other, because without freestyle like a sport, people will never understand what the hardcore is, what is harder, what should be respected...
fuckin true :thumbsup:
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------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------
is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that
if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative
1/ That's what i've been doing so thank you for reminding. :cheers:
2/ I've never stated that, at least not in this thread.
3/ I understand that everyone has a different viewpoint about freestyle, so respect for all view points from me, let this thread end the way it is.